Im not here to bash UFC/MMA. but lately i'v been hearing alot of UFC fans say that it has lost some of its appeal or its not a big deal to them anymore. They say the UFC has way to many PPVs and the cards have been ***** lately. What i'm hearing the most is that MMA in general has been oversaturating itself. Is the UFC/MMA a fad after all?

any opinions

Yes MMA and UFC in particular are dying. First of all their Numbers have dropped immensely in terms of PPV sales and all that. Secondly they have gotten alot of bad press lately with elitefc or whatever going bankrupt and shuttering its doors. And lastly and most importantly their biggest names are all leaving and retiring and UFC in particular is left with Zero star power. Silva, Couture etc are all gone soon and UFC has no star power left. UFC/MMA has peaked and the fad is now on its way out as most experts predicted.


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I don't think so. MMA caters a lot to the WWE fans and the general USA audience that like watching ripped guys who look more like they should be models than fighters go at it. No language issues, no need to get into another person's culture. It's like, simple viewing for those that only want to see blood shed and no thinking involved. I watch UFC or MMA and I hear, he's got him in the Taurantula death grip lock hold! I'm like, bro, he's just choking him behind the neck, no need to get crazy scientific. But w/e. I think boxing is liked more by the immigrants or latino born americans which is why it's more of a minority sport.

I've noticed it here in the UK for sure
It's just going to be another strictly American sport.

I think the interest has dropped some but this is only in terms of the immense popularity it had as a peak. With everything new and shiny (yes MMA has been around for 25+ years but of recent has it been mainstream) there is a honeymoon period where it could do no wrong but after that dies you get a solid realistic assesment of how your business is really doing. My guess is that is where UFC is and while it's still hugely successful it's popularity has settled down a bit.

the gauge though is going to be this Sat. If it smashes its own PPV #s then all bets are off especially if Lesnar wins and becomes UFC's next big thing. If Couture wins I can see UFC hurting a bit because Couture is at the very end of his career and wont have much of a shelf life

Yes MMA and UFC in particular are dying. First of all their Numbers have dropped immensely in terms of PPV sales and all that. Secondly they have gotten alot of bad press lately with elitefc or whatever going bankrupt and shuttering its doors. And lastly and most importantly their biggest names are all leaving and retiring and UFC in particular is left with Zero star power. Silva, Couture etc are all gone soon and UFC has no star power left. UFC/MMA has peaked and the fad is now on its way out as most experts predicted.


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LOL! the commintators are over dramitic

I don't think so. Boxing has had a lot of big fights recently so MMA has taken a downturn in publicity. When Boxing has a lame spell, the reverse will happen. It's peaks and troughs.

MMA doesn't even exist over here.

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The thing is with the UFC is it's just fighting, not an art like boxing.

So they can pull in random big guy names like Lesnar and Kimbo who are already names and make them even bigger. They don't have to create their own stars.

It wont die aslong as there is money there but it will never be bigger than boxing.

The thing is with the UFC is it's just fighting, not an art like boxing.

So they can pull in random big guy names like Lesnar and Kimbo who are already names and make them even bigger. They don't have to create their own stars.

It wont die aslong as there is money there but it will never be bigger than boxing.

i agree .

here is an interesting perspective..


There are people suddenly coming out and saying that not only the UFC, but MMA is in trouble with regard to its market share. Recent statistics were released by BuddyTV that claim the core fanbase has actually shrunk since the huge surge in 2005 with the Griffin/Bonnar fight. These statistics now claim the average demographic for the UFC and general MMA fanbase is white males aged 36. What they were indicating is that the 18-to-34 demographic has shifted greatly.

Certainly there are still 18-year-old fans, but this study claimed that the majority audience is narrowed to a much older margin. Interestingly, they also said that professional wrestling is in the same boat. That was surprising. Regardless, we all know there will always be a core fanbase that are loyal. Like all of us for instance. But many analysts are saying that the popularity surge was a fad. And much like the poker craze several years ago, some are suggesting MMA will shrink back down to the numbers it was experiencing around 2004, before season one of the Ultimate Fighter.

So, I thought this would make a great discussion. For all of us "hardcore MMA fans" to try and look at the present situation with honesty and clarity. Given the economic environment of 2008, it doesn't take a stock market analyst to figure out that PPV numbers are going to begin to suffer. So, with this in mind, let's take a look at recent UFC events and just how much the UFC is gambling on UFC 91 to be a big success. And to be clear here, I am a proponent of the UFC and want them to be successful. However, I must also try to be a realist and look at some of the shocking numbers going into to this week's event.


The Big Expenses:

Brock Lesnar is getting paid $350,000 plus a locker room bonus and an additional $3.25 per PPV cut. Randy Couture is getting $500,000 plus a locker room bonus and an additional $2.50 per PPV cut

A Reasonable Amount of Panic:

UFC 91 tickets have been on sale for well over a month and rumors are that its not close to sold out yet barely a week before the fights.

A Comparison With A Recent Boxing Success:

The Delahoya vs Paciao bout sold out in under a half hour with a gate worth $17 million or more.

In Other Frightening UFC-Related News:

Stations Casinos is rumored to stack up a $100 Million loss for 2008. And the company is now cutting back expenses and laying off employees. Rumors are swirling that this is the real reason Lorenzo Fertita jumped off the payroll a few months ago.

An Economy In Decline Not Good for PPV Sales:

With America currently in a recession, many average folks are cutting back personal expenses and tightening budgets for the first time in many years. Things such as a nearly $50 UFC PPV are quickly becoming a luxury when juxtaposed against rising grocery prices and approaching the holiday season. In related news, rumors are flying that the UFC is about to raise PPV to $49.95 across the board nationally.

Lackluster Ratings For ****e's TUF This Past Week:

According to several online television ratings services, TUF bottomed out massively for the worst ratings since its beginning. TUF only scored a 1.0 last week and this year's season was showing a steady decline in ratings numbers since the debut.

A Possible Silver Lining:

With the demise of ProElite and EliteXC and Affliction deeply in the red, at least the UFC is becoming the only mainstream source for MMA broadcast again. This fact certainly helps combat any negatives.

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here is an interesting perspective..



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its glad it hear the opinion from a non biased UFC fan

anymore opinions

I love boxing as much as anything in this world...
But right now what fight do we have that would really sell more then Lesnar vs Couture this weekend???

Pac vs dela hoya???? lol

Im not here to bash UFC/MMA. but lately i'v been hearing alot of UFC fans say that it has lost some of its appeal or its not a big deal to them anymore. They say the UFC has way to many PPVs and the cards have been ***** lately. What i'm hearing the most is that MMA in general has been oversaturating itself. Is the UFC/MMA a fad after all?

I am not surprised one bit. The quality of the UFCs athletes is not as good as professional boxing. That and as of now the UFC really doesn't have any interesting charisma like it did in the late 90s. The sport also has evolved into nothing but a grappling match.

It was more interesting to watch in the late 90s and early years of 2000 because the styles some of the fighters had were completely different than each others.

Its just boring now, everytime I flip the channel and happen to come across a UFC card the fans are booing lol.

Nope, your way off. If anything, it has gained more popularity. It's definitely heads and shoulders above boxing right now. Nice try, but next time try conducting a little research prior to spouting off misinformed biased opinions.

Nope, your way off. If anything, it has gained more popularity. It's definitely heads and shoulders above boxing right now. Nice try, but next time try conducting a little research prior to spouting off misinformed biased opinions.

UFC has gained popularity? Only in your own delusional mind. Nobody I know raves about or even cares much for the UFC anymore like they did several years ago.

You sound like a fanboi in denial.

I love boxing as much as anything in this world...
But right now what fight do we have that would really sell more then Lesnar vs Couture this weekend???

Pac vs dela hoya???? lol

Are you a ****ing idiot? Did you not just read what someone pasted above that Lesnar/Brock tickets have been on sale like 2 months AND ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO SELLING OUT yet whereas DLH/Pacman sold out in HALF HOUR with a live gate of 17 million+?

Are you a ****ing idiot? Did you not just read what someone pasted above that Lesnar/Brock tickets have been on sale like 2 months AND ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO SELLING OUT yet whereas DLH/Pacman sold out in HALF HOUR with a live gate of 17 million+?

Lesnar/Couture will have plenty more eyeballs.

Nope, your way off. If anything, it has gained more popularity. It's definitely heads and shoulders above boxing right now. Nice try, but next time try conducting a little research prior to spouting off misinformed biased opinions.

LOL..pathetic. I see you're using the tired old Dana White technique "if you build it they will come" and trying to brainwash us sorry it won't fly here kid, the garbage you're spewing is utterly false. It has been PROVEN that MMA is on the down slide. They are losing numbers fast and UFC/MMA is basically dying. They have peaked already a couple years ago and their numbers are no where near as good as they once were.

The biggest problem of why UFC/MMA is dying right now is because as someone said the economy is **** and to most people that 50$ PPV is becoming an expensive (too expensive) luxury. The problem with UFC is that ALL their money for the most part comes from PPV. Their best matches are all PPV, whereas boxing is global and the money that boxing makes in all of its matches held every single day all over the world FAR OUTWEIGHS anything boxing makes in PPV. If you took the total $$$ all the boxing cards make every single month in every country on earth from Europe to Asia etc it will destroy the revenues of even large PPV events like DLH/Pacquaio etc.

So with that said, UFC sort of has all its eggs in one basket and that's why right now they're declining and Dana White is in desperation mode. It's sort of sad how even MMA/UFC guys on their own sites are admitting that their sport is drying out. As I said White is in desperation mode so he's trying to make another press run with his usual "boxing is dying" spiel, but it's just not flying anymore and not even believable considering boxing is actually GROWING in all its core markets like Europe and MMA is shrinking in places that it momentarily shined such as England etc.

Lesnar/Couture will have plenty more eyeballs.

Plenty more eyeballs? Do you mean PPV numbers?

So what you're saying is Lesnar Couture will outsell DLH/Pac in PPV? Do you want to put real money on that? DLH/Mayweather was the highest grossing PPV of all time and more than doubled the highest UFC PPV. UFC's highest is a bit over 1 million buys, DLH/Mayweather did what around 2.5 million or so.
You must be pretty new to the game if you think Lesnar/Couture will even come close to DLH/Pac. It will not even be a contest, the boxing PPV will blow your UFC trash away. The proof is already there, as I said DLH/Pac sold out in Half hour, Lesnar/Couture had 2 months and still can't sell out...LOL

Lesnar/Couture will have plenty more eyeballs.

Are you saying Lesnar/Couture will have more PPV buys??

UFC Dublin sold out in 14 days

I don't think so. MMA caters a lot to the WWE fans and the general USA audience that like watching ripped guys who look more like they should be models than fighters go at it. No language issues, no need to get into another person's culture. It's like, simple viewing for those that only want to see blood shed and no thinking involved. I watch UFC or MMA and I hear, he's got him in the Taurantula death grip lock hold! I'm like, bro, he's just choking him behind the neck, no need to get crazy scientific. But w/e. I think boxing is liked more by the immigrants or latino born americans which is why it's more of a minority sport.

That would be all fine and dandy except most of the MMA fighters are out of shape, and have healthy layer of fat around their midsection.

Are you saying Lesnar/Couture will have more PPV buys??

That guy is a ****in moron. DLH/Floyd did DOUBLE the highest UFC PPV and DLH/Pac sold out in half hour and Lesnar Couture after 2 months still can't sell out and this moron thinks Lesnar/Couture will even COME CLOSE to DLH/Pac. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I will bet this ****in MORON 500$ U.S. REAL DOLLARS that DLH Pac will more than DOUBLE the PPV of Lesnar Couture

Are you saying Lesnar/Couture will have more PPV buys??

No. I'm saying it'll be out seen.

Sure. I'll admit that Pac/DLH will outdo Lesnar/Couture in PPV numbers and revenue, but when has a boxing event ever played in a commercial sports pub? Those places have been raking in profit thanks to the UFC.

And it isn't just Lesnar/Couture. You also have Florian/Stevenson and Maia/Quarry on the card too.

I'm not trying to be for or against either sport. I'm just saying you still have a growing fanbase to contend with.

No. I'm saying it'll be out seen.

Sure. I'll admit that Pac/DLH will outdo Lesnar/Couture in PPV numbers and revenue, but when has a boxing event ever played in a commercial sports pub? Those places have been raking in profit thanks to the UFC.

And it isn't just Lesnar/Couture. You also have Florian/Stevenson and Maia/Quarry on the card too.

I'm not trying to be for or against either sport. I'm just saying you still have a growing fanbase to contend with.

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I nominate this guy as the funniest poster on this forum.

The entire country of the Phillipines will be watching DLH PAC ...the ENTIRE COUNTRY along with every boxing fan in the u.s. (which has a far larger fan base than UFC/MMA) and you think a pathetic UFC match between a 50 year old and WWF star is going to be watched by more people?
You are one of the most ignorant and deluded UFC idiots I've ever had the displeasure of reading

When you have a guy who's record is 2-1 and have a dick on his chest fighting for the HW title you know your sport is a Joke :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

UFC Dublin sold out in 14 days

Any word on the gate???

Hatton vs Lazcano did 12 million US$ with 55k in attendance.

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No. I'm saying it'll be out seen.

Sure. I'll admit that Pac/DLH will outdo Lesnar/Couture in PPV numbers and revenue, but when has a boxing event ever played in a commercial sports pub? Those places have been raking in profit thanks to the UFC.

And it isn't just Lesnar/Couture. You also have Florian/Stevenson and Maia/Quarry on the card too.

I'm not trying to be for or against either sport. I'm just saying you still have a growing fanbase to contend with.

Pac/Delahoya will be seen by much more people world wide, just in the Philippines there will be 80 million+ watching the fight.

Hopkins/Pavlik was at a bunch of casinos and bars this past month here in Vegas.

When you have a guy who's record is 2-1 and have a dick on his chest fighting for the HW title you know your sport is a Joke :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

While I agree that this match up is stupid, it was built based more on merits then records.

Both are from great wrestling schools and hold high honors. Lesnar has a working intermediate knowledge of Catch Wrestling, a style Couture hasn't figured out yet.

When you have a guy who's record is 2-1 and have a dick on his chest fighting for the HW title you know your sport is a Joke

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Pac/Delahoya will be seen by much more people world wide, just in the Philippines there will be 80 million+ watching the fight.

Hopkins/Pavlik was at a bunch of casinos and bars this past month here in Vegas.

I'm cool with that. I know that every pinoy and his moms is going to be filling the bars. The same for PR.

Outside of LV and AC though, what a sports pub going to carry? Pac/DLH or UFC 91?

You've never seen a pub packed with some many people when a UFC event is on. Especially one where the majority of it is green collars.

If Boxing really wants to mess with Dana's head, throw big events the same time he does shows in England. He's never been able to make decent money on those days.

My opinion is that we can't be so sure that it is dead yet.. Look at the economy! The poor numbers can be simply do o the fact that people can't pay for the PPVs!
How well are Boxing PPVs doing too? Not all that great in these hard financial times.

And when it comes to the gate? A hundred dollar ticket to watch a fight is a big luxury!!

I'm cool with that. I know that every pinoy and his moms is going to be filling the bars. The same for PR.

Outside of LV and AC though, what a sports pub going to carry? Pac/DLH or UFC 91?

You've never seen a pub packed with some many people when a UFC event is on. Especially one where the majority of it is green collars.

If Boxing really wants to mess with Dana's head, throw big events the same time he does shows in England. He's never been able to make decent money on those days.

Texas, Arizona, California. i know this for a fact. I watched Pavlik/Hopkins, Dawson/Tarver and Jones/Cals at different sportsbars.

I'm cool with that. I know that every pinoy and his moms is going to be filling the bars. The same for PR.

Outside of LV and AC though, what a sports pub going to carry? Pac/DLH or UFC 91?

You've never seen a pub packed with some many people when a UFC event is on. Especially one where the majority of it is green collars.

If Boxing really wants to mess with Dana's head, throw big events the same time he does shows in England. He's never been able to make decent money on those days.

What are you kidding most major bars in NYC show boxing fights all the time. I never even seen a MMA fight in a NYC bar.

Cuz MMA is trash who wants to watch a 3 round fight when the dudes spend half the fight pressed up against the cage or laying on top of each other? Theirs maybe like 20 seconds of a fight thats exciting out of 15 minutes... watse of time

Texas, Arizona, California. i know this for a fact. I watched Pavlik/Hopkins, Dawson/Tarver and Jones/Cals at different sportsbars.

What are you kidding most major bars in NYC show boxing fights all the time. I never even seen a MMA fight in a NYC bar.

And outside those areas?

Hooters and BW3 is making bank. You can't get standing room when UFC's PPVs are on.

And outside those areas?

Hooters and BW3 is making bank. You can't get standing room when UFC's PPVs are on.

Outside those areas? I'm positive boxing is doing fine in bars outside those areas. Boxing has been played in bars since time immemorial and on good PPV's the bars are filled believe me, and not with fat balding rednecks like the UFC fights.

Outside those areas? I'm positive boxing is doing fine in bars outside those areas. Boxing has been played in bars since time immemorial and on good PPV's the bars are filled believe me, and not with fat balding rednecks like the UFC fights.

Where are they then!?!? I haven't seen them!!!

And how is military "fat, balding rednecks"? They're at each and every event!!

And how is military "fat, balding rednecks"? They're at each and every event!!

find the regular demographic for UFC and you'll have your answer. im sure you already know but will deny.

Where are they then!?!? I haven't seen them!!!

And how is military "fat, balding rednecks"? They're at each and every event!!

You haven't seen them? Sorry but do you travel to every single state and every single city and visit all the bars? What are you referring to, just the one city in Oklahoma where you're from where the bars are filled with UFC redneck fanatics? Sorry but here in the CIVILIZED world bars are filled with BOXING shows not UFC.

And what "military" are you referring to? Your post makes no sense at all. The UFC demographic is 18 year old generation X fratboys with the attention span of a 3 year old.

as long as there is blacks and latinos in the united states.. there will be boxing!

as long as there is blacks and latinos in the united states.. there will be boxing!

and lord knows we arent going anywhere. because if they could teleport us all to some other demension, they would.

Im not here to bash UFC/MMA. but lately i'v been hearing alot of UFC fans say that it has lost some of its appeal or its not a big deal to them anymore. They say the UFC has way to many PPVs and the cards have been ***** lately. What i'm hearing the most is that MMA in general has been oversaturating itself. Is the UFC/MMA a fad after all?

Do u own a TV? Do you have Cable?

mayweather said it best..."mma is a fad, boxing is an art."

EOWWWWWWWW!

and lord knows we arent going anywhere. because if they could teleport us all to some other demension, they would.

you goin to bolivian!

as long as there is blacks and latinos in the united states.. there will be boxing!

and lord knows we arent going anywhere. because if they could teleport us all to some other demension, they would.


:sombrero::sombrero: haha its funny cuz its true

find the regular demographic for UFC and you'll have your answer. im sure you already know but will deny.

Hhhhmmm. Let's see.

High school wrestlers
College wrestlers
College Martial Artists
Club Martial Artists
Law Enforcment
Marines
Army
Air Force
Some public officials
And Combat Sports fans in general.

If your basing the fanbase on those Affliction/Tapout protein shake drinking douchebags, your sadly mistaken. They're the vocal minority.

Yes MMA and UFC in particular are dying. First of all their Numbers have dropped immensely in terms of PPV sales and all that. Secondly they have gotten alot of bad press lately with elitefc or whatever going bankrupt and shuttering its doors. And lastly and most importantly their biggest names are all leaving and retiring and UFC in particular is left with Zero star power. Silva, Couture etc are all gone soon and UFC has no star power left. UFC/MMA has peaked and the fad is now on its way out as most experts predicted.


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lmao..boxing used to be on the "more" list..they must be doing better then?

lmao..boxing used to be on the "more" list..they must be doing better then?

yep sad part is like a year or two ago it was the opposite from what I remember...MMA had its own spot on the Big Bar and boxing was in "more" under horse racing and poker and all that. Now as a testament to MMA dying off, Boxing is at the top and MMA is under Lacrosse and Women's National Basketball ASsociation LOL

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im Not Here To Bash Ufc/mma. But Lately I'v Been Hearing Alot Of Ufc Fans Say That It Has Lost Some Of Its Appeal Or Its Not A Big Deal To Them Anymore. They Say The Ufc Has Way To Many Ppvs And The Cards Have Been ***** Lately. What I'm Hearing The Most Is That Mma In General Has Been Oversaturating Itself. Is The Ufc/mma A Fad After All?
I Don't Think It's A Fad. I Do Think It Is Not Worth Ppv. There Used To Be Good Fights With Quality Fighters. Now It Is Spread To Thin By Far Too Many
Untalented Fighters That Should Never Be Seen On T.v. It Gets To Be A Boor When The Ref Does Not Separate The Fighters Soon Enough When They Are
On The Ground. K1 Seems To Be Much More Exiting.many Fighters Who Are Of
Poor Quality Should Never Be Televised,it Turns Fringe Fans Off The Sport.
Rodhook

yep sad part is like a year or two ago it was the opposite from what I remember...MMA had its own spot on the Big Bar and boxing was in "more" under horse racing and poker and all that. Now as a testament to MMA dying off, Boxing is at the top and MMA is under Lacrosse and Women's National Basketball ASsociation LOL

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this royal burnell dude is having illusions of granduer

mma is/was clearly a fad... I knew it didnt have legs...it didnt have any solid cornerstone

this royal burnell dude is having illusions of granduer

mma is/was clearly a fad... I knew it didnt have legs...it didnt have any solid cornerstone

illusions of grandeur?

Okay bucko. You tell me how hundreds of wrestlers, judokas BJJkas and other assorted martial artists who are really great at martial arts are going to make a living. Not all of them can transition to Boxing you know.

You ever try to make weight while living off balogna sandwiches cause you got to say up money for gas just to get to a tournamet? It's a ***** to do.

You ever spend nights on end writing to everyone possible just so you can get a decent sponser?

You ever have to realize that even if you do win an Olympic gold medal that you really have to do all the **** you did over again not because you need to, but just because it's paying your house?

You ever wake up in a cold ****ing sweat knowing that once you retire from Olympic competition, the only real money you'll ever ****ing see is from nitche product advertising and speaking engagments at high schools who don't know who the **** you are?

You ever come to the sad realization that no matter how great you were in your sport, you'll walk outside that arena and no one knows your ****ing name?

This is why I'm supporting MMA. This is why it'll never be as you say, a "fad".
You can say Boxing is forever. You can say that Boxing is international. I'll agree with you. But do not tell me that MMA will be a "fad". With Grapplers getting the ****ing shaft all the time, there is no ****ing way it's a ****ing fad.

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

illusions of grandeur?

Okay bucko. You tell me how hundreds of wrestlers, judokas BJJkas and other assorted martial artists who are really great at martial arts are going to make a living. Not all of them can transition to Boxing you know.

You ever try to make weight while living off balogna sandwiches cause you got to say up money for gas just to get to a tournamet? It's a ***** to do.

You ever spend nights on end writing to everyone possible just so you can get a decent sponser?

You ever have to realize that even if you do win an Olympic gold medal that you really have to do all the **** you did over again not because you need to, but just because it's paying your house?

You ever wake up in a cold ****ing sweat knowing that once you retire from Olympic competition, the only real money you'll ever ****ing see is from nitche product advertising and speaking engagments at high schools who don't know who the **** you are?

You ever come to the sad realization that no matter how great you were in your sport, you'll walk outside that arena and no one knows your ****ing name?

This is why I'm supporting MMA. This is why it'll never be as you say, a "fad".
You can say Boxing is forever. You can say that Boxing is international. I'll agree with you. But do not tell me that MMA will be a "fad". With Grapplers getting the ****ing shaft all the time, there is no ****ing way it's a ****ing fad.

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yikes you're starting to get frighteningly angry now.

It's a fad just face it. UFC is deader than techno lol...it will never die fully but it'll diminish and bottom out and stay there.

Yikes you're starting to get frighteningly angry now.

It's a fad just face it. UFC is deader than techno lol...it will never die fully but it'll diminish and bottom out and stay there.

Keep telling yourself that man. Keep telling yourself that.

Keep telling yourself that man. Keep telling yourself that.

UFC is deader than the geriatric bum in your avatar.

Off topic but how big is the weeks UFC going to be?

I'm going to be in Vegas and staying at MGM where the fight's going to be at. Is it going to make it extra busy or not really?

And if anyone can, since I don't follow UFC, compare how big (or small) this weeks main event is compared to a boxing main event. (Like is it De La Hoya/Pacquaio big, in terms of UFC, or Pacqauio v David Diaz small)??


Thanks guys.

No it's not, Domain. MMA continues to go on strong.

Off topic but how big is the weeks UFC going to be?

I'm going to be in Vegas and staying at MGM where the fight's going to be at. Is it going to make it extra busy or not really?

And if anyone can, since I don't follow UFC, compare how big (or small) this weeks main event is compared to a boxing main event. (Like is it De La Hoya/Pacquaio big, in terms of UFC, or Pacqauio v David Diaz small)??


Thanks guys.

It's De La Hoya/Pacquiao big.

It's De La Hoya/Pacquiao big.

Damn? Really?

Thanks for the info.

UFC is deader than the geriatric bum in your avatar.

Who? Gene LeBell? The guy who was teaching Bruce Lee grappling? The guy who did this...

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Yes it is. They are overrated pie eating bums and will disappear as soon as they came just like kickboxing in 80s. Everyone knows boxing always has been and always will be numero uno. They are overrated and will never match up to best of boxing. Plus they cannot entertain! Fat blokes like Rampage would be journeymen in boxing. It's just a niche market for geeks and rednecks who will soon grow out of it, which is when it will die just like kickboxing did way back when.

over exposure

Off topic but how big is the weeks UFC going to be?

I'm going to be in Vegas and staying at MGM where the fight's going to be at. Is it going to make it extra busy or not really?

And if anyone can, since I don't follow UFC, compare how big (or small) this weeks main event is compared to a boxing main event. (Like is it De La Hoya/Pacquaio big, in terms of UFC, or Pacqauio v David Diaz small)??


Thanks guys.

It'll be alright. I don't know about big, we'll see. They haven't been able to fill the Grand up yet.

As for how major it is, I don't know many personalities, but it's like a club fighter whose been able to be exciting and hold his own going against an old pro and they're of the same style of Boxing. The club fighter has a working knowledge of another style the pro hasn't cracked yet.

The undercard is going to be ok. If you want to see an exciting all around battle, go check out Quarry/Maia. Classic stand vs. Ground battle.

If u had couture and lesner vs haye and barret go head to head world wide with no ppv i bet europe alone would kill in ratings for the haye fight...No one say's let's watch top rank they call it boxing ill take ufc serious when it's called mma not a ****en promotion

Maybe it is a fad

UFC hump-fest 91 is 2nite!!!!

I was really into UFC for a few months earlier this year. Now I cant be arsed watchin it n I dnt care about it at all.

it seems to me that its lost come of its hype and steam in the last 6 months or so.

Are we going by headline fights or whole cards?

never watch UFC in my life till i caught countdown tonight on Setanta 2, and will be watching later, surpose theres a few others out there like me, I've been into boxing for over 10 years and never saw the attraction of UFC before, but looks like it has a bit of pace

correct. .

Im not here to bash UFC/MMA. but lately i'v been hearing alot of UFC fans say that it has lost some of its appeal or its not a big deal to them anymore. They say the UFC has way to many PPVs and the cards have been ***** lately. What i'm hearing the most is that MMA in general has been oversaturating itself. Is the UFC/MMA a fad after all?

i used to be into it. but not so much anymore. especially after the main event last saturday. im glad i didnt pay for it

when silva leaves in september, ufc's in deep ****

worst thing ufc did was buy out the compitition, it means they've became blunt, like wwe before them, and stale

the besy mma is not as exciting as this years best most exciting boxing match, fact

Boxing and MMA are two different sports with two different Fan Base, so the comparison is inmaterial. And besides, this is a Boxing websites so most people here will favor Boxing over MMA.

when silva leaves in september, ufc's in deep ****

worst thing ufc did was buy out the compitition, it means they've became blunt, like wwe before them, and stale

the besy mma is not as exciting as this years best most exciting boxing match, fact

I agree, and boxing is getting some young up and coming talent. It should make for exciting fights in t he future

Im not here to bash UFC/MMA. but lately i'v been hearing alot of UFC fans say that it has lost some of its appeal or its not a big deal to them anymore. They say the UFC has way to many PPVs and the cards have been ***** lately. What i'm hearing the most is that MMA in general has been oversaturating itself. Is the UFC/MMA a fad after all?

Nah, it's more of the casual MMA (aka UFC) fans who make those claims. Just like Boxing, some cards arent as good as others. But ****, basing off the card Dana put together for UFC 100, UFC is gonna do just fine.

BTW, Ultimate Fighter is on ****e tonight...what Boxing events are being televised tonight? :dunno:

BTW, Ultimate Fighter is on ****e tonight...what Boxing events are being televised tonight? :dunno:

Please. The Ultimate Fighter is an embarrassment to the human race.

Please. The Ultimate Fighter is an embarrassment to the human race.

Maybe thats what you think, the ratings say otherwise...

There's a lot of good fighters from both UK and US on that show. MMA fans have been pleased so far.

Me being a Boxing fan 1st, IMO The Contender was a SERIOUS joke. Which one of those guys will you see on a prime time event?

I think it has lost some of its allure for sure. The peak of UFC was the Lidell V Rampage fight and since then its really been rather bland outsided of Lesner who brings in another audience. IMO UFC could never take over as the biggest fighting sport because its hard to build stars. In MMA there are many ways to lose so the best man does not always win and that means the stars will have many losses. In boxing you can master the one art and build a huge following and thats how we get so many super fights. I wouldn't call MMA a fad because its here to stay but it has peaked and will probably dip a tad over the years and then stay at a stead 300-400k PPV rate.

UFC is dieing, nobody knows who anyone is now..nobody is the top dog, they all sort of knock each other out and nobody is the best. A guy with a 2-2 record could randomly knock out a guy with a 16-3 record etc.

I'm glad its dieing to because it's not a sport, and kids only watched it to act tough.

MMA will always stick around though, just not mainstream.

punching>wrestling

Im not here to bash UFC/MMA. but lately i'v been hearing alot of UFC fans say that it has lost some of its appeal or its not a big deal to them anymore. They say the UFC has way to many PPVs and the cards have been ***** lately. What i'm hearing the most is that MMA in general has been oversaturating itself. Is the UFC/MMA a fad after all?

I don't think it's a fad, but it doesn't have long standing mainstream appeal. The idea behind UFC was that it'd eventually supplant boxing as a whole. That was never going to happen and it didn't. Some people are bored with it and all of the PPVs are the main part of the problem.

When UFC first started getting hella big in 2005 or 2006 the mantra was that it was more personal and fan friendly than boxing. Boxing's problem was that it had too many PPVs, featured too many overpaid fighters fighting in big expensive events at casinos, did not have enough really active fighters, etc. Well, that's basically a description of UFC cards.

So, the critique was accurate, but they mimicked it almost step by step.

Maybe thats what you think, the ratings say otherwise...

There's a lot of good fighters from both UK and US on that show. MMA fans have been pleased so far.

Me being a Boxing fan 1st, IMO The Contender was a SERIOUS joke. Which one of those guys will you see on a prime time event?

You know what, though, the rating for Ultimate Fighter are much better than The Contender, but they're really not THAT good. If you ever notice queer a$$ Dana White only points to their ratings in the 16-34 male demographic. In that demographic their ratings are great. But outside of that the ratings are pretty weak.

UFC is a niche sport. It's very popular in its niche market. It started to expand outside of that demographic, but it wasn't able to hold it.

I dont think MMA is going to be completely destroyed anytime soon. Its a very exciting sport. It just needs someone new with charisma to make it go up again (ex. Mayweather, DLH in boxing).

UFC is dieing, nobody knows who anyone is now..nobody is the top dog, they all sort of knock each other out and nobody is the best. A guy with a 2-2 record could randomly knock out a guy with a 16-3 record etc.

I'm glad its dieing to because it's not a sport, and kids only watched it to act tough.

MMA will always stick around though, just not mainstream.

punching>wrestling

UFC is dieing, nobody knows who anyone is now

Really? So names like George St Pierre, Randy Couture, Anderson Silva, Dan Henderson, Rashad Evans, Rampage aren't recognized names in MMA? Two of those guys are easily in top 5 in the World. As far as top dogs, the argument is between Anderson Silva and Fedor Emilienenko.

I'm glad its dieing to because it's not a sport, and kids only watched it to act tough.

This makes you sound like an incredibly biased Boxing fan. What makes MMA a sport and not Boxing, because they throw kicks and elbows and Boxers don't? Both abide by the state commissions, have weight regulations, have betting odds, have referees, trainers, promoters, etc. Besides the style of fighting, what makes Boxing a sport and not MMA?

You know what, though, the rating for Ultimate Fighter are much better than The Contender, but they're really not THAT good. If you ever notice queer a$$ Dana White only points to their ratings in the 16-34 male demographic. In that demographic their ratings are great. But outside of that the ratings are pretty weak.

UFC is a niche sport. It's very popular in its niche market. It started to expand outside of that demographic, but it wasn't able to hold it.

But that's because MMA is fairly a new thing to the mainstream. Boxing has history way beyond MMA obviously, but years from now are we supposed to assume a new generation of people are not going to dig MMA and or guys our age now won't be talking about how great Anderson Silva or GSP were? How do we know about guys like Willie Pep or Henry Armstrong who fought more than 60 years ago?

It's not fair to judge MMA against Boxing's long history because Boxing is always going to win in that dept. But as of right now you'll probably have more kids and young adults give you the names of 5-10 current MMA (or in this case UFC) fighters before they tell you the names of any top Boxers fighting today. I'm not trying to hate either, it's just really hard to deny that whether you're a fan of MMA or not.

I'd say no. Although I heard a lot of boos last saturday.

Events aren't getting the appeal/attention anymore. FAD

I dont think MMA is going to be completely destroyed anytime soon. Its a very exciting sport. It just needs someone new with charisma to make it go up again (ex. Mayweather, DLH in boxing).

great point

i compare with WWE, againtype . when WWE had the Rock, and Stone Cold Steve Austin, thier numbers where tremendous and they went mainstream. When they didnt, they went back to thier demographic again. I see MMA as being not a fad, but a 'cycle' sport, they'll be popular again, but they'll need big stars

UFC's 'stars' seem so contrivied to me, no spontaneous-ness, all scripted bull****. Everybodys a bad boy! More like frat boys. Rampage Jackson the closest they've got to anyone with charisma. They need to stop over saturating thier **** and let the fighters do the talking, an actually have personalitys involved

UFC has nothing like 24/7, or even personalitys like floyd SNR, cos personalitys like that come from the gutter, real rags to riches stories that people identify with, not this frat boy x, jiu jtzu type b characters

Who cares about UFC! This is a boxing forum.

I'm in Montreal, home of GSP, and Lucian Bute is better known than the darling of MMA...

Outside the USA, boxing is way more popular than MMA (Canada, England, Germany).

Maybe thats what you think, the ratings say otherwise...

There's a lot of good fighters from both UK and US on that show. MMA fans have been pleased so far.

Me being a Boxing fan 1st, IMO The Contender was a SERIOUS joke. Which one of those guys will you see on a prime time event?

If grown men pissing and jizzing in food and having violent food fights is what you like to see, fine by me. Whatever floats your boat.

But that's because MMA is fairly a new thing to the mainstream. Boxing has history way beyond MMA obviously, but years from now are we supposed to assume a new generation of people are not going to dig MMA and or guys our age now won't be talking about how great Anderson Silva or GSP were? How do we know about guys like Willie Pep or Henry Armstrong who fought more than 60 years ago?

It's not fair to judge MMA against Boxing's long history because Boxing is always going to win in that dept. But as of right now you'll probably have more kids and young adults give you the names of 5-10 current MMA (or in this case UFC) fighters before they tell you the names of any top Boxers fighting today. I'm not trying to hate either, it's just really hard to deny that whether you're a fan of MMA or not.

It's pretty easy to assume that if someone watched UFC when they were between the ages of 16-34 that they'll continue to watch UFC into middle and old age while 16-34 year olds will continue to be attracted to it. It's an assumption that a lot of people make when they're fans of UFC.

It's a HUGE assumption though. It's more likely that UFC and MMA as a whole are more in line with what sports like boxing, open wheel racing, tennis, golf without Tiger, etc. are and that is successful niche sports. There's nothing wrong with that, but for whatever reason some MMA fans, mostly UFC fans, just wanted to believe in their heart of hearts that UFC was going to become a wildly successful mainstream sport that would just continue a completely unabated meteoric rise and that's just not very likely.

I think we're starting to see some serious signs that MMA is starting to settle in and level out. There's nothing wrong with that. But for whatever reason some people just want to believe that MMA is going to get bigger than NFL.

great point

i compare with WWE, againtype . when WWE had the Rock, and Stone Cold Steve Austin, thier numbers where tremendous and they went mainstream. When they didnt, they went back to thier demographic again. I see MMA as being not a fad, but a 'cycle' sport, they'll be popular again, but they'll need big stars

UFC's 'stars' seem so contrivied to me, no spontaneous-ness, all scripted bull****. Everybodys a bad boy! More like frat boys. Rampage Jackson the closest they've got to anyone with charisma. They need to stop over saturating thier **** and let the fighters do the talking, an actually have personalitys involved

UFC has nothing like 24/7, or even personalitys like floyd SNR, cos personalitys like that come from the gutter, real rags to riches stories that people identify with, not this frat boy x, jiu jtzu type b characters

But UFC doesn't need to follow suit for what Boxing does. They're two different sports. They'd be ridiculed even more if they tried doing everything Boxing does, that's why they're more popular right now because it's something new to the public.

And if you look at The Ultimate Fighter series, they're doing a good job finding and ushering new stars into the mix like Rashad Evans, Michael Bisping, Forrest Griffin, Diego Sanchez, Kenny Florian, etc. How many guys from the Contender have made it on the big stage and flourished? Mora won a belt at 154 in a ****ty fight, but is Mora looked at as one of the top fighters in Boxing? More than likely not.

I just don't see how UFC is on a decline after not even a bad PPV but a boring Main Event. Like we haven't seen those in Boxing...

I have friends that used to like the UFC and they say it just became boring and these guys watched slow ass fighters like Severn or Gracie.My sister loves boxing but hates the UFC, saying watching guys sit on each other and beat themselves bloody isn't that entertaining.Other people with zero knowledge about wrestling hate Lesnar because he was a WWE superstar not knowing his amateur background. MMA will never take over boxing in one on one competition.WWE is entertainment, boxing has been around forever and always will be in some form.Boxing has casual fans like me who might purchase 2 or 3 pay per views a year and watch it on HBO.It seems with the UFC, people love it or hate it.Personally I could care less about it.

i dont hate UFC/MMA, its just not my thing. but i do hate Dana White for always talking **** about boxing. thats seems to be the only way he can promote the UFC, by always sayin " its better than boxing" or "boxing is dead" etc,etc.........

It's pretty easy to assume that if someone watched UFC when they were between the ages of 16-34 that they'll continue to watch UFC into middle and old age while 16-34 year olds will continue to be attracted to it. It's an assumption that a lot of people make when they're fans of UFC.

It's a HUGE assumption though. It's more likely that UFC and MMA as a whole are more in line with what sports like boxing, open wheel racing, tennis, golf without Tiger, etc. are and that is successful niche sports. There's nothing wrong with that, but for whatever reason some MMA fans, mostly UFC fans, just wanted to believe in their heart of hearts that UFC was going to become a wildly successful mainstream sport that would just continue a completely unabated meteoric rise and that's just not very likely. I think we're starting to see some serious signs that MMA is starting to settle it and level out.

But again, MMA is still a growing sport. How fair is it to judge MMA's future based off a couple of mediocre PPVs? I mean, look at all the MMA schools that are opening or have been opening in the last couple of years. There are Boxing gyms I've personally seen that are now teaching MMA along with Boxing.

In all fairness, both Boxing and MMA have die hard fans and will continue to support. The same convos we have about what we look as big fights (For example Cotto vs Clottey) is on par with MMA fans saying Kenny Florian vs BJ penn is a big fight. But most Boxing fans would be whatever about it similar to how MMA fans would probably be against Cotto vs Clottey. It goes both ways.

But UFC doesn't need to follow suit for what Boxing does. They're two different sports. They'd be ridiculed even more if they tried doing everything Boxing does, that's why they're more popular right now because it's something new to the public.

And if you look at The Ultimate Fighter series, they're doing a good job finding and ushering new stars into the mix like Rashad Evans, Michael Bisping, Forrest Griffin, Diego Sanchez, Kenny Florian, etc. How many guys from the Contender have made it on the big stage and flourished? Mora won a belt at 154 in a ****ty fight, but is Mora looked at as one of the top fighters in Boxing? More than likely not.

I just don't see how UFC is on a decline after not even a bad PPV but a boring Main Event. Like we haven't seen those in Boxing...

Do you really think anyone in boxing views The Contender as anything other than a gimmick? Nobody expects real contenders to come through that show. Real contenders are still being developed though. Look at all of the new exciting young fighters in boxing like Victor Ortiz, Juan Manuel Lopez, Nonito Donaire, etc. They would never fight on The Contender.

Nobody cares about The Contender. The Contender is run and operated by a promoter who was never a part of the sport. You're comparing the central breeding ground for UFC, The Ultimate Fighter, against, The Contender, which is joke in the sport of boxing and using that as your proof that UFC is better than boxing.

But again, MMA is still a growing sport. How fair is it to judge MMA's future based off a couple of mediocre PPVs? I mean, look at all the MMA schools that are opening or have been opening in the last couple of years. There are Boxing gyms I've personally seen that are now teaching MMA along with Boxing.

In all fairness, both Boxing and MMA have die hard fans and will continue to support. The same convos we have about what we look as big fights (For example Cotto vs Clottey) is on par with MMA fans saying Kenny Florian vs BJ penn is a big fight. But most Boxing fans would be whatever about it similar to how MMA fans would probably be against Cotto vs Clottey. It goes both ways.

Do you really think MMA is still growing? I'm going to go with leveling out to describe where MMA is at right now. It's not growing. They're pulling in the same ratings that they've been pulling in for the last 4 years and selling fewer PPVs than they had before.

It's kind of a lot to think that it's just going to continue to grow forever and that seems to be what you're assuming. I mean you're going to believe what you want to believe. But it's really not likely that MMA will just continue to grow forever. Do you really not think that there's a point in time when MMA will reach a limit?

it's losing it's appeal because Dana White's NEXT WHITE HOPE GREAT FIGHTERS are getting KTFO!!!!!

Chuck Liddell - KTFO by Jackson (black), Evans (black), Rua (brazilian)

supposed to be next white boy star Forest Griffin also got KTFO by Evans (black)

the only ones left is Anderson Silva who is not white has been fighting nothing but BUMS and doesn't want to move up in weight where the weight class is better and has more popular fighters.

then GSP a canadian french but poorly not white.

UFC is fuuuucked.

it's losing it's appeal because dana white's next white hope great fighters are getting ktfo!!!!!

Chuck liddell - ktfo by jackson (black), evans (black), rua (brazilian)

supposed to be next white boy star forest griffin also got ktfo by evans (black)

the only ones left is anderson silva who is not white has been fighting nothing but bums and doesn't want to move up in weight where the weight class is better and has more popular fighters.

Then gsp a canadian french but poorly not white.

Ufc is fuuuucked.

lol !! .

Its about marketable stars and money, Michael Jordan sold out basketball games on the road because people wanted to see him. Tyson was probably a bigger draw after he went to prison because even people who weren't boxing fans wanted to see what he was gonna do next. Kimbo sold tickets for Elite XC just by being an interent joke.Vince McMahon may be a scum bag, ruthless buisness man, but he knows how to make stars.The UFC can grow with the right guy leading it. Its not Dana White.

I've always been a fan of both sports. A while ago MMA had a lot of key names, but today's model seems to be more of an "it" thing. Rather than finding and developing talent, you see these guys with under 10 or 15 fights getting built up way too fast and losing.

The biggest part of the problem is the UFC, Dana White in particular. It is no secret that the guy holds personal grudges against certain fighters and as a result some of the best fighters will never be a part of the organization. The guy has hand picked every opponent for Chuck Liddell. Anyone who knows a god damn thing about boxing knows that Liddell can't box worth a ****ing damn. Yet he has a winning record. Why? Because he was built up on beating almost nothing but wrestlers who had never boxed before. Chuck Liddell has looked the same for the past five years, but he's gotten KTFO'd 3 times lately because he has finally faced some guys with a boxing game. Quinton Jackson had a boxing coach prepare him to fight Chuck the second time and he knocked him out in under two minutes... this is only one example.

It's a bit of a "pop culture" model so to speak. I mean, only the UFC would put some piece of crap like Thales Leites (this past weekend) against a seasoned vet like Anderson Silva. The kid has a half decent record with no real big name wins, his "stand-up" game sucks, and his jiu jitsu isn't as good as their advertising would have you believe.

I think MMA is a great attraction, but right now it's biggest players are failing it so bad. Brock Lesnar? Come the **** on.

I don't think so. MMA caters a lot to the WWE fans and the general USA audience that like watching ripped guys who look more like they should be models than fighters go at it. No language issues, no need to get into another person's culture. It's like, simple viewing for those that only want to see blood shed and no thinking involved. I watch UFC or MMA and I hear, he's got him in the Taurantula death grip lock hold! I'm like, bro, he's just choking him behind the neck, no need to get crazy scientific. But w/e. I think boxing is liked more by the immigrants or latino born americans which is why it's more of a minority sport.

every time I think of mma/ufc I hink of the WWF...lol...

it could be Flabio fighting in there...they don't care...

Its about marketable stars and money, Michael Jordan sold out basketball games on the road because people wanted to see him. Tyson was probably a bigger draw after he went to prison because even people who weren't boxing fans wanted to see what he was gonna do next. Kimbo sold tickets for Elite XC just by being an interent joke.Vince McMahon may be a scum bag, ruthless buisness man, but he knows how to make stars.The UFC can grow with the right guy leading it. Its not Dana White.

But you gotta give Dana credit

Anderson Silva, Rampage, and Chuck Lidell were marquee names in the world of MMA before they became regulars in the UFC. Dana's facilitated the platform for those guys to become stars where it counts (in the States). Rampage and Lidell fought in Pride in front of close to 50,000 people, but only when they reached the UFC were they more popular than ever.

I don't look at Dana as the father of modern MMA by any means (at the end of the day he's a promoter), but I do give him a hell of a lot of credit for making all those guys bigger names than what they were prior to them entering the UFC.

Lesnar/Couture will have plenty more eyeballs.

Maybe in America. And even that is a stretch.

Lesnar/Couture was a freakshow. Pacman/DLH was a legit fight which was seen by millions and millions of people worldwide.

The bottom line is Boxing is like soccer/basketball in that its an international sport. And it will always be that way.

MMA is like American football. Its popular in America, Canada but other than that nobody really cares about it. You just have your small pockets of people in other countries that care about it and thats it.

The demographics are different. Boxing is a very cultural sport. Countries get behind their fighters, whether it be Pacman in the Phillipines, Hatton in England, Cotto in PR, JMM in Mexico, Chris John in Indonesia, Kessler in Denmark, Bute in Canada, Abraham in Germany. It truly is a world sport.

MMA will never, NEVER have this appeal. Seriously, who in England actually gives a crap about Michael Bisping? Would 35,000 people make the trip to Vegas to see him fight like they did for Hatton? Absolutely not. Hell, Bisping wouldnt even 350 people to come see him fight.

illusions of grandeur?

Okay bucko. You tell me how hundreds of wrestlers, judokas BJJkas and other assorted martial artists who are really great at martial arts are going to make a living. Not all of them can transition to Boxing you know.

You ever try to make weight while living off balogna sandwiches cause you got to say up money for gas just to get to a tournamet? It's a ***** to do.

You ever spend nights on end writing to everyone possible just so you can get a decent sponser?

You ever have to realize that even if you do win an Olympic gold medal that you really have to do all the **** you did over again not because you need to, but just because it's paying your house?

You ever wake up in a cold ****ing sweat knowing that once you retire from Olympic competition, the only real money you'll ever ****ing see is from nitche product advertising and speaking engagments at high schools who don't know who the **** you are?

You ever come to the sad realization that no matter how great you were in your sport, you'll walk outside that arena and no one knows your ****ing name?

This is why I'm supporting MMA. This is why it'll never be as you say, a "fad".
You can say Boxing is forever. You can say that Boxing is international. I'll agree with you. But do not tell me that MMA will be a "fad". With Grapplers getting the ****ing shaft all the time, there is no ****ing way it's a ****ing fad.

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well that was overly dramatic.

Olympic calibre wrestlers make good enough money to easily support themselves. And alot of them get into coaching at NCAA colleges and make enough money running summer camps in the summer.

And getting into MMA, is not exactly a more effective method of making money. Just look at the undercard fighters on UFC events who make absolute crap.

Nah, it's more of the casual MMA (aka UFC) fans who make those claims. Just like Boxing, some cards arent as good as others. But ****, basing off the card Dana put together for UFC 100, UFC is gonna do just fine.

BTW, Ultimate Fighter is on ****e tonight...what Boxing events are being televised tonight? :dunno:

The Ultimate Fighter is the primary reason why MMA fans are so ridiculously stupid.

The Ultimate Fighter is not an event. Its a reality show. So to answer your question, NO, boxing doesnt have any reality shows on tonight. At least I dont think so. Boxing grows the sport in different ways. They dont need mid-level fighters to share a house together, get into street fights and piss in each others cereal to create fans.

it's just cuz it's more like a fad to a lot of kids nowadays....it appeals to them for a while then it sucks after a while.

The bottom line is Boxing is like soccer/basketball in that its an international sport. And it will always be that way.

MMA is like American football. Its popular in America, Canada but other than that nobody really cares about it. You just have your small pockets of people in other countries that care about it and thats it.

The demographics are different. Boxing is a very cultural sport. Countries get behind their fighters, whether it be Pacman in the Phillipines, Hatton in England, Cotto in PR, JMM in Mexico, Chris John in Indonesia, Kessler in Denmark, Bute in Canada, Abraham in Germany. It truly is a world sport.

MMA will never, NEVER have this appeal. Seriously, who in England actually gives a crap about Michael Bisping? Would 35,000 people make the trip to Vegas to see him fight like they did for Hatton? Absolutely not. Hell, Bisping wouldnt even 350 people to come see him fight.

MMA just started getting big, you can't expect people to be backing these fighters up like England backs Hatton or something. And for the record, MMA's pretty big in Japan, Korea, U.S., Canada, Brazil, Russia, and is getting bigger in China, thailand, mexico, and england so technically it's not like American Football where it's only big in the U.S.

Really? So names like George St Pierre, Randy Couture, Anderson Silva, Dan Henderson, Rashad Evans, Rampage aren't recognized names in MMA? Two of those guys are easily in top 5 in the World. As far as top dogs, the argument is between Anderson Silva and Fedor Emilienenko.



This makes you sound like an incredibly biased Boxing fan. What makes MMA a sport and not Boxing, because they throw kicks and elbows and Boxers don't? Both abide by the state commissions, have weight regulations, have betting odds, have referees, trainers, promoters, etc. Besides the style of fighting, what makes Boxing a sport and not MMA?

Anderson Silva is not a PPV draw. Couture is 45 years old. Dan Henderson nobody cares about. Rashad Evans again is not a PPV draw and has a personality that your casual fan dislikes. GSP is very good and is young and is popular.

Boxing is more of a sport than MMA. And, MMA actually modifies its rules to allow for more exciting fights. The UFC will actually penalize fighters based on their excitement level. Its the same reason why Okami hasnt got a title shot, its the same reason fighters were pushed out of the UFC because they were NOT exciting. Than the UFC brings an inexperienced former WWE wrestler in Brock Lesnar after 1 MMA fight against some tomato can. He fights Mir and actually looks impressive until getting caught in a submission. Than the UFC handpicks him another fight against a guy in Heath Herring who cant fight wrestlers, than they give him a 45 year old fighter whos been inactive for 15 months. And hes fighting for the title.

MMA maybe a sport, but it certainly runs a very shady business. Especially when the best P4P in MMA in Fedor can fight Hong Man Choi, Zulu, Nog could fight Bob Sapp. All those opponents are absolute tomato cans. And yet they headlined events because of it. Absolute freakshow fights.

Anderson Silva is not a PPV draw. Couture is 45 years old. Dan Henderson nobody cares about. Rashad Evans again is not a PPV draw and has a personality that your casual fan dislikes. GSP is very good and is young and is popular.

Boxing is more of a sport than MMA. And, MMA actually modifies its rules to allow for more exciting fights. The UFC will actually penalize fighters based on their excitement level. Its the same reason why Okami hasnt got a title shot, its the same reason fighters were pushed out of the UFC because they were NOT exciting. Than the UFC brings an inexperienced former WWE wrestler in Brock Lesnar after 1 MMA fight against some tomato can. He fights Mir and actually looks impressive until getting caught in a submission. Than the UFC handpicks him another fight against a guy in Heath Herring who cant fight wrestlers, than they give him a 45 year old fighter whos been inactive for 15 months. And hes fighting for the title.

MMA maybe a sport, but it certainly runs a very shady business. Especially when the best P4P in MMA in Fedor can fight Hong Man Choi, Zulu, Nog could fight Bob Sapp. All those opponents are absolute tomato cans. And yet they headlined events because of it. Absolute freakshow fights.

ya know, i actually agree with this...not about boxing being more of a sport than MMA because when you compare the two it's like apples and oranges, but yeah...i can't stand how the UFC penalizes for excitement and ****...

MMA just started getting big, you can't expect people to be backing these fighters up like England backs Hatton or something. And for the record, MMA's pretty big in Japan, Korea, U.S., Canada, Brazil, Russia, and is getting bigger in China, thailand, mexico, and england so technically it's not like American Football where it's only big in the U.S.

I mentioned Canada.

And you only have a case for Japan and Brazil and maybe somewhat England. Thats it.

And even that MMA is not the top dog in Japan. Boxing and K-1 are more popular. And MMA in Japan is waning, ratings for its MMA promotions are brutal.

Brazil, MMA is nowhere near as popular as you think. They produce good talent but its still not very popular.

Russia? Are you serious? Korea?

MMA is a lesser version of American football. Thats a fact.

I mentioned Canada.

And you only have a case for Japan and Brazil and maybe somewhat England. Thats it.

And even that MMA is not the top dog in Japan. Boxing and K-1 are more popular. And MMA in Japan is waning, ratings for its MMA promotions are brutal.

Brazil, MMA is nowhere near as popular as you think. They produce good talent but its still not very popular.

Russia? Are you serious? Korea?

MMA is a lesser version of American football. Thats a fact.

Like i said, it just burst onto the scene. You're comparing them as if they've been around the same time. Seem like you're not liking MMA too much, what's your beef with it anyways?

Do people in this forum have the whole Boxing vs. MMA debate a lot?? Just curious...

Like i said, it just burst onto the scene. You're comparing them as if they've been around the same time. Seem like you're not liking MMA too much, what's your beef with it anyways?

It didnt just burst onto the scene. Its been their for more than a decade.

And popularity has declined in Japan. If its bursting onto the scene it would get more popular.

I like the sport of MMA alot less than I did. There are too many reasons to name of why I dont like it as much.

It didnt just burst onto the scene. Its been their for more than a decade.

And popularity has declined in Japan. If its bursting onto the scene it would get more popular.

I like the sport of MMA alot less than I did. There are too many reasons to name of why I dont like it as much.
well, actually if you wanna really go back its been around for a lil over 20 years. It's obviously been there for a while, but what i mean is it's only gotten real big over the past few years, and even if you wanna compare how long it's been here compared to boxing there's still a huge gap. So it's not like MMA's had to time to get where boxing is, it'd be a better comparison is MMA was where boxing, football, hockey, basketbal, and all the other big sports are but it's not.

well, actually if you wanna really go back its been around for a lil over 20 years. It's obviously been there for a while, but what i mean is it's only gotten real big over the past few years, and even if you wanna compare how long it's been here compared to boxing there's still a huge gap. So it's not like MMA's had to time to get where boxing is, it'd be a better comparison is MMA was where boxing, football, hockey, basketbal, and all the other big sports are but it's not.

Pride was huge before the UFC got huge. And with Pride being gone, all the other MMA promotions in Japan have not done well. UFC is not even popular in Japan.

I know it hasnt been around as long as the other sports but still at this point there isnt one person who doesnt know what MMA is. And in Brazil, MMA promotions dont do well, MMA promotions in North America except for UFC fails miserably. Affliction is on his last legs.

Pride was huge before the UFC got huge. And with Pride being gone, all the other MMA promotions in Japan have not done well. UFC is not even popular in Japan.

I know it hasnt been around as long as the other sports but still at this point there isnt one person who doesnt know what MMA is. And in Brazil, MMA promotions dont do well, MMA promotions in North America except for UFC fails miserably. Affliction is on his last legs.
yeah, pride was huge, but that was in Japan. The reason why so many events fail is because they decide to try to go head to head with the UFC...dumb move...Strikeforce is doing well, mainly because they're not trying to compete head to head with the UFC like Affliction and EliteXC

yeah, pride was huge, but that was in Japan. The reason why so many events fail is because they decide to try to go head to head with the UFC...dumb move...Strikeforce is doing well, mainly because they're not trying to compete head to head with the UFC like Affliction and EliteXC

They never go head to head with the UFC. Thats just stupid. They failed because nobody cares about any MMA other than the UFC. The only people that care the hardcores. And they dont represent a large majority. THey are in the minority.

well, actually if you wanna really go back its been around for a lil over 20 years. It's obviously been there for a while, but what i mean is it's only gotten real big over the past few years, and even if you wanna compare how long it's been here compared to boxing there's still a huge gap. So it's not like MMA's had to time to get where boxing is, it'd be a better comparison is MMA was where boxing, football, hockey, basketbal, and all the other big sports are but it's not.

plz google pankration and get ur facts straight

plz google pankration and get ur facts straight
obviously, but i figured to leave the whole "It's been around since greek times" out of this one

They never go head to head with the UFC. Thats just stupid. They failed because nobody cares about any MMA other than the UFC. The only people that care the hardcores. And they dont represent a large majority. THey are in the minority.
Of course they tried to go head to head...that's why Strikeforce is still alive and EliteXC is dead with Affliction soon to follow.

its glad it hear the opinion from a non biased UFC fan
im a non biased ufc fan and ill tell you this, honestly, the numbers in ufc have dropped cause ufc sucks ass, the sport will surely die ,ufc is fake and dana whiteboy is gay, this is straight coming from a true ufc fan, me

Of course they tried to go head to head...that's why Strikeforce is still alive and EliteXC is dead with Affliction soon to follow.

When did Affliction go head to head? They never did. EliteXC never went head to head with the UFC.

Affliction: DOR was an event sandwiched between 2 UFC PPV events. It did not run on the same event. Afflictions 1st show was not during a UFC event. It was a completely separate week. In fact, it was the UFC trying to go head to head with Affliction by running UFC programming on ****eTV. They did the same for Strikeforce. They did the same for EliteXC.

You're just lying. And you're looking bad in the process. You think someone would be that f'ing stupid. This aint a game. These people are businessmen that dont want to lose money. Itd be absolutely retarded to go head to head with the UFC. Thats why they didnt do it.

I hate liars.

When did Affliction go head to head? They never did. EliteXC never went head to head with the UFC.

Affliction: DOR was an event sandwiched between 2 UFC PPV events. It did not run on the same event. Afflictions 1st show was not during a UFC event. It was a completely separate week. In fact, it was the UFC trying to go head to head with Affliction by running UFC programming on ****eTV. They did the same for Strikeforce. They did the same for EliteXC.

You're just lying. And you're looking bad in the process. You think someone would be that f'ing stupid. This aint a game. These people are businessmen that dont want to lose money. Itd be absolutely retarded to go head to head with the UFC. Thats why they didnt do it.

I hate liars.

Wow someone's getting a lil heated up over this...go back and look at all the advertisements and **** buddy, these guys thought they could try and take all the people watching the UFC and swich em over. Why do you think they put Sylvia vs. Fedor together? Hell, why do you think they signed Fedor? Same with eliteXC with kimbo...again, notice why strikeforce is still going. Do i think some of these people are ****ing stupid? Oh yeah...they wanna jump into the game and instead of working their way up they wanna try to be right up there at the top with the UFC, and as a result they get eaten alive. Don't believe me? Just go watch all the intervies on this stuff man. It speaks for itself

This is one of those times when I miss guys like Genki Sudo:

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By the way, as long as it has rules MMA is a sport whether you like it or not.

Wow someone's getting a lil heated up over this...go back and look at all the advertisements and **** buddy, these guys thought they could try and take all the people watching the UFC and swich em over. Why do you think they put Sylvia vs. Fedor together? Hell, why do you think they signed Fedor? Same with eliteXC with kimbo...again, notice why strikeforce is still going. Do i think some of these people are ****ing stupid? Oh yeah...they wanna jump into the game and instead of working their way up they wanna try to be right up there at the top with the UFC, and as a result they get eaten alive. Don't believe me? Just go watch all the intervies on this stuff man. It speaks for itself

What in the hell are you talking about?

They put Sylvia and Fedor together because Sylvia was a top 5 HW at that time. It was one of the best HW fights to be made.

They signed Fedor because hes the best damn fighter in the entire sport. And UFC would not allow him to compete in Sambo. And Fedor is still affiliated with M-1.

What does Kimbo have anything to do with anything?

You dont know what you're talking about, you're just sounding stupid.

They never went head to head with the UFC. Going head to head with the UFC would imply that they held events on the SAME NIGHT as the UFC or even the SAME WEEKEND. AND THEY NEVER DID.

They arent succeeding because all MMA orgs not named the UFC fails miserably.

Im not here to bash UFC/MMA. but lately i'v been hearing alot of UFC fans say that it has lost some of its appeal or its not a big deal to them anymore. They say the UFC has way to many PPVs and the cards have been ***** lately. What i'm hearing the most is that MMA in general has been oversaturating itself. Is the UFC/MMA a fad after all?

I'll probably never like mma more than boxing but, I'm still a big fan of mma. I'm just as excited about some of the matchups coming up as I was for some fights 2,3 and even 4 years ago. So I myself haven't lost any of my love for the sport. I have absolutely no idea if the sport is losing its fan base so I can't really speak for that although I haven't noticed anything of the sort.

What in the hell are you talking about?

They put Sylvia and Fedor together because Sylvia was a top 5 HW at that time. It was one of the best HW fights to be made.

They signed Fedor because hes the best damn fighter in the entire sport. And UFC would not allow him to compete in Sambo. And Fedor is still affiliated with M-1.

What does Kimbo have anything to do with anything?

You dont know what you're talking about, you're just sounding stupid.

They never went head to head with the UFC. Going head to head with the UFC would imply that they held events on the SAME NIGHT as the UFC or even the SAME WEEKEND. AND THEY NEVER DID.

They arent succeeding because all MMA orgs not named the UFC fails miserably.

Hmmmm seems you completely missed out on the whole deal then. Cuz same event on the same night or not these guys tried getting everyones attention shifting from the UFC to them, that's why they failed. That's also why PRIDE eventually failed, that's why Strikeforce is more successful...know why? They don't try to talk **** about the UFC, they don't try to compare with the UFC, they don't try and compete with the UFC. That's why EliteXC failed with affliction soon to follow. You should pay attention to these kind of things so you'd understand it a little better, as opposed to being one of those MMA hating boxing fans for some dumb reason, apparently some people can't love one without hating on the other. What does kimbo hav to do with anything? He's the reason why eliteXC went out, as opposed to doing something like hyping up Jake Shields, Robbie LAwler, KJ Noons, and Antonio Silva these dumbasses decided to put everything on an internet brawler in order to try and get all the viewers to pay attention to him, and it FAILED. Notice random kids still know who chuck liddell is, but kimbo's just "that one internet fighter who became a real fighter"?

Do people in this forum have the whole Boxing vs. MMA debate a lot?? Just curious...

yes, way too much

and blame the media for constantly comparing the 2 sports and pitting them head to head.

Yeah, I'm a huge fan of both. There's room for both mma and boxing, and no need to **** on either because you like the other one better. Both sports take a tremendous amount of skill to be successful.

yes, way too much

and blame the media for constantly comparing the 2 sports and pitting them head to head.

no doubt...i think it's dumb as hell to try to compare the two...apples and oranges if you ask me

I don't think so, I think it continues to grow. There are a lot of great fighters out there, I think this is only the beginning.

but still the UFC is the only proven MMA organization that has lasted

all the others, PRIDE, ELITE XC, being shut down.

so will Mixed Martial Arts go mainstream ... or just the UFC?

because it angers me how some Media representatives STILL refer to MMA as Ultimate Fighting

again showing just how much influence UFC has over the sport of MMA.