With the fall of Kimbo Slice, you'd think the American Freakshow MMA matches are over, right? Wrong.

I can't help but analyzing Brock Lesnar's career here so far, and why it should be considered nothing more than freakshow. Let's check it out.

Brock Lesnar's first showing, the K1 Dynamite!! USA show. He was scheduled ORIGINALLY to fight Choi Hong-man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choi_Hong-man) of Korea in a Mixed Martial Arts ruled bout. Now let's see why the strings were pulled to get him out of the match with Choi Hong-man. Brock Lesnar is marketable, he speaks English and is a steroid-head Aryan freak who in all honesty would have been demolished by a bigger, stronger, faster and more conditioned Choi Hong-man. Instead, they replace him with a chubby, undersized Asian man named Min Soo Kim, who Brock easily smothered in minutes.

"Great job, Brock! What a beast, huh?! Awesome, our WWE Champion can really fight!" says the wrestling fan boy. Oh, wait.. The average MMA fan still isn't satisfied? Okay, we've got something for Brock. Here's Frank Mir, a former UFC Heavyweight champion coming off of a brain injury, a knock out from a sub-par striker and a sloppy victory over a no-name. Brock will surely win!

...

Uh oh, exposed! It's okay, the fatass Brock Lesnar will just act really pissed and swole in his defeat, only it's not acting, it's because Brock is mentally weak. It's cool though, all according to plan. It's not like we expected him to beat Frank or anything COUGH COUGH COGUCHGTUOCUGH. A near marketing disaster.

K, here we go again! Round 2 in the UFC, Brock! Let's get it done! We've decided to throw in a hardly prime Heath Herring, a man we KNOW can't defend a takedown, let alone push Brock's fat ass off of him.

Now we have Brock Lesnar in a title fight against an ancient Randy Couture! Great marketing scheme, and it's a very good way to make money. But to a long time MMA fan, it's baffling why many more people aren't angry about this. If he beats Randy, he will be proclaimed as the greatest Heavyweight on the planet, if he loses he'll still a marketable Freakshow worthy of fights.

There is no reason for this ****er to be involved in MMA.

I like it how they give him a title shot after 1 win and 1 loss but dont give bisping a title shot. sometimes it is little bit annoying.

With the fall of Kimbo Slice, you'd think the American Freakshow MMA matches are over, right? Wrong.

I can't help but analyzing Brock Lesnar's career here so far, and why it should be considered nothing more than freakshow. Let's check it out.

Brock Lesnar's first showing, the K1 Dynamite!! USA show. He was scheduled ORIGINALLY to fight Choi Hong-man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choi_Hong-man) of Korea in a Mixed Martial Arts ruled bout. Now let's see why the strings were pulled to get him out of the match with Choi Hong-man. Brock Lesnar is marketable, he speaks English and is a steroid-head Aryan freak who in all honesty would have been demolished by a bigger, stronger, faster and more conditioned Choi Hong-man. Instead, they replace him with a chubby, undersized Asian man named Min Soo Kim, who Brock easily smothered in minutes.

"Great job, Brock! What a beast, huh?! Awesome, our WWE Champion can really fight!" says the wrestling fan boy. Oh, wait.. The average MMA fan still isn't satisfied? Okay, we've got something for Brock. Here's Frank Mir, a former UFC Heavyweight champion coming off of a brain injury, a knock out from a sub-par striker and a sloppy victory over a no-name. Brock will surely win!

...

Uh oh, exposed! It's okay, the fatass Brock Lesnar will just act really pissed and swole in his defeat, only it's not acting, it's because Brock is mentally weak. It's cool though, all according to plan. It's not like we expected him to beat Frank or anything COUGH COUGH COGUCHGTUOCUGH. A near marketing disaster.

K, here we go again! Round 2 in the UFC, Brock! Let's get it done! We've decided to throw in a hardly prime Heath Herring, a man we KNOW can't defend a takedown, let alone push Brock's fat ass off of him.

Now we have Brock Lesnar in a title fight against an ancient Randy Couture! Great marketing scheme, and it's a very good way to make money. But to a long time MMA fan, it's baffling why many more people aren't angry about this. If he beats Randy, he will be proclaimed as the greatest Heavyweight on the planet, if he loses he'll still a marketable Freakshow worthy of fights.

There is no reason for this ****er to be involved in MMA.



I hate to say it
you are right, but he is
still gonna kick Randy's ass.
Lesnar is too big and too strong.
He is a freak of nature. He is a rarity
most giant guys like him can't move that
fast.


yeah yeah snarfy snarf

My basic point is, that if you locked Brock Lesnar in a cage with Fedor Emelianenko, he would be made into a BBW Hooker.

I hate Brock Lesnar. A lack of any discernible skill and a lot of steroid use is not the best formula for a quality fighter. And the fact that he's fighting Randy Couture only makes this feel something similar to the Holyfield - Valuev fight we have coming up I believe the 20th or 12th of next month, can't remember...These fights are just pandering to a casual fan who just wants blood and not a good fight.

My basic point is, that if you locked Brock Lesnar in a cage with Fedor Emelianenko, he would be made into a BBW Hooker.

Thank you very much. Lesnar vs any skilled, prime, fighter is a mismatch in my opinion

My basic point is, that if you locked Brock Lesnar in a cage with Fedor Emelianenko, he would be made into a BBW Hooker.


true, because Fedor
is a freak too. Fedor has too much
skill for any heavyweight out there. he
is the best heavyweight, no doubt. I'm just
saying Lesnar will kick Randys ass, cuz Randy aint as
skilled as Fedor. it takes submission skills to put away
a guy that big, Randy dont have to many submission
skills.


yeah yeah snarfy snarf

Yeah i hate Lesnar too, ****ing grape shrinked balls roid head.


It's love to see Couture school him.

Wow, what a terrible post. Lets see...

With the fall of Kimbo Slice, you'd think the American Freakshow MMA matches are over, right? Wrong.
Comparing Brock Lesnar to Kimbo Slice is rediculous. Yes they both became stars in MMA because they were famous from other stuff (Brock from WWF, Kimbo from internet street fights). The difference is, Brock actually has a legitimate combat sports background (Div 1 National Champion Collegiate Wrestler). Brock trained for 1.5 years with a good camp before getting into the ring for real. And after he signed with the UFC, he was put up against legitimate fighters. Kimbo was put against guys like Tank Abbott who was never any good even when he was in his "prime", James Thompson who has a glass jaw and was tailor made for Kimbo to KO in 30 seonds (it ended up taking him three rounds and some help from the referee to finally put him away).

I can't help but analyzing Brock Lesnar's career here so far, and why it should be considered nothing more than freakshow. Let's check it out.

Brock Lesnar's first showing, the K1 Dynamite!! USA show. He was scheduled ORIGINALLY to fight Choi Hong-man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choi_Hong-man) of Korea in a Mixed Martial Arts ruled bout. Now let's see why the strings were pulled to get him out of the match with Choi Hong-man. Brock Lesnar is marketable, he speaks English and is a steroid-head Aryan freak who in all honesty would have been demolished by a bigger, stronger, faster and more conditioned Choi Hong-man. Instead, they replace him with a chubby, undersized Asian man named Min Soo Kim, who Brock easily smothered in minutes.

What are you talking about "strings were pulled" to get him out of the match with Hong Man Choi?!? The fight didn't take place because Choi failed his CSAC medical exam and was denied a license because of a brain tumor. The same tumor kept him from being able to complete his mandatory service in the South Korean army a couple months later.

Secondly, you're crazy if you think he would have been demolished by Choi. Choi is taller than Lesnar, but he's not stronger, and he's sure as hell not faster. Have you ever even seen Choi fight? Brock would have double legged him in five seconds and either kept him down for the entire fight, or just pounded him out.

"Great job, Brock! What a beast, huh?! Awesome, our WWE Champion can really fight!" says the wrestling fan boy. Oh, wait.. The average MMA fan still isn't satisfied? Okay, we've got something for Brock. Here's Frank Mir, a former UFC Heavyweight champion coming off of a brain injury, a knock out from a sub-par striker and a sloppy victory over a no-name. Brock will surely win!

...

Uh oh, exposed! It's okay, the fatass Brock Lesnar will just act really pissed and swole in his defeat, only it's not acting, it's because Brock is mentally weak. It's cool though, all according to plan. It's not like we expected him to beat Frank or anything COUGH COUGH COGUCHGTUOCUGH. A near marketing disaster.

He didn't get exposed by Frank Mir. Coming into the fight, everyone knew that Franks submissions would be the biggest threat to Brock and it turned out Frank was able to catch him.

But you just ignored the fact that until the kneebar Brock was destroying him and the fight probably would've been stopped (with Brock winning) if it hadn't been for a questionable point deduction (and standup) for hitting the back of the head. Brock showed more MMA talent in that loss than Kimbo did in all of his wins combined.

K, here we go again! Round 2 in the UFC, Brock! Let's get it done! We've decided to throw in a hardly prime Heath Herring, a man we KNOW can't defend a takedown, let alone push Brock's fat ass off of him.
Calling Brock Lesnar a fat ass? What are you, 12 years old?

Now we have Brock Lesnar in a title fight against an ancient Randy Couture!
The "ancient" Randy Couture who just happens to be the legitimate UFC HW Champion.

Great marketing scheme, and it's a very good way to make money. But to a long time MMA fan, it's baffling why many more people aren't angry about this.
Why should anyone be angry about this? Brock and Randy have both said they want to test themselves against the best. If Brock truly is the joke that you think he is, Randy should have no problem beating him and he will be exposed again.

If you are really a long time MMA fan, I'm sure you've seen Randy's fights with Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez, two other grapplers that were bigger and stronger than Randy (just like Brock Lesnar!).

There is no reason for this ****er to be involved in MMA.
Why not? The guy is a more accomplished athlete than most of the fighters in MMA, including Randy Couture who was an All American wrestler, and a Division 1 runner up but never actually won a D-1 championship like Brock did.

But because he did some pro wrestling for a couple of years he shouldn't be allowed to be in MMA? Tell me, what do you think about pro wrestler Kazushi Sakuraba being one of MMA's all time greats?

Thank you very much. Lesnar vs any skilled, prime, fighter is a mismatch in my opinion
I totally disagree.

Of the current top 10 heavyweights going by the Sherdog rankings (http://sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-14981), I'd pick him to beat five of them (Arlovski, Sylvia, Rothwell, Overeem, and Dos Santos). He would take them all down and pound them out. None of them have the defensive wrestling or submission skills to pose much of a threat to him. They all do have KO power, so their only hope is to connect on the feet before he takes them down.

Three I'd pick him to lose to (Fedor, Nogueira, Barnett) because they are just to good and well rounded for him so early in his career, in another year or two who knows.

The final two (Werdum and Gonzaga) I think he would probably beat them, but they are both highly skilled grapplers so they could catch him in submission.

Randy isn't on the Sherdog top 10 list because he hasn't fought in over a year, but I'm picking Brock to beat him.

There's only one guy in the UFC that I would pick Brock Lesnar to lose to at this point and that's Nogueira. He's the worst possible matchup style wise for Brock (a guy who is excellent off his back and can take a ton of punishment).

I totally disagree.

Of the current top 10 heavyweights going by the Sherdog rankings (http://sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-14981), I'd pick him to beat five of them (Arlovski, Sylvia, Rothwell, Overeem, and Dos Santos). He would take them all down and pound them out. None of them have the defensive wrestling or submission skills to pose much of a threat to him. They all do have KO power, so their only hope is to connect on the feet before he takes them down.

Three I'd pick him to lose to (Fedor, Nogueira, Barnett) because they are just to good and well rounded for him so early in his career, in another year or two who knows.

The final two (Werdum and Gonzaga) I think he would probably beat them, but they are both highly skilled grapplers so they could catch him in submission.

Randy isn't on the Sherdog top 10 list because he hasn't fought in over a year, but I'm picking Brock to beat him.

There's only one guy in the UFC that I would pick Brock Lesnar to lose to at this point and that's Nogueira. He's the worst possible matchup style wise for Brock (a guy who is excellent off his back and can take a ton of punishment).

I get your point but I don't see the heavyweight division these days as being very strong at all, the fact that a guy like Lesnar can come in and dominate some top contenders is a sign of that.

Example: Tim Sylvia top 10 heavyweight in the world??

I personally dislike Gonzaga, so I am very biased in any decisions involving him, but I would pick Fabricio to submit Brock in 4 out of 5 matches.

I feel Rothwell and Arlovski (though both personally two of my favorite fighters) are a bit overrated to be in the top 10 list. I'm actually very surprised at Rothwell making the list, he has no big name victories, minus one over Ricco Rodriguez, and the 6 losses kind of turns me off...

Junior Dos Santos is a bit inexperienced to make the list, but his win over Werdum was pretty sweet, though I haven't seen enough of him to make a good decision.

Alistair is very experienced and has fought many big names. He does have quite a few losses on his record but I would pick him over Lesnar, possibly to win by submission from the bottom.

Brock is very strong but I have always felt that someone who is technically very good could take him with little to no trouble.

I haven't seen any Crocop fights recently, and the last I saw of him wasn't so great, but I know I could easily see prime Crocop picking Brock apart and making him look stupid before dropping him with a head kick or something of the sort.

No need for me a say a word ScottDBA said everything that needed 2 b said, :lol1: at comparing brock 2 kimbo :P

saying Lesnar gets destroyed by Fedor or a Prime Cro Cop is like saying the sky is blue. it would be different if that statment was exclusive to Lesnar, but Fedor & a prime CroCop would destroy damn near all HW's

i'm pretty much indifferent to Lesnar. sure he's unskilled and really fighting off wrestling, size, & freakish athleticism, but he brings an element of surprise to a division that needs some.

i think if he commits himself to learning certain aspects of the sport, mainly sub defense, i think he'll be hell for any heavyweight to fight. the real test will be when we see how his chin holds up. it could be glass or it could be Mark Hunt's.

i don't agree with him getting the title shot right now, but then again i didn't think Randy deserved the shot at Timmay when he got it and look what happened.

Who the **** compared Brock and Kimbo? I compared the hype, way to try and be legit and still manage to **** it up, Scott.

Nobody pulled any strings. If anything US Dynamite got ****ed hardcore by CSAC. Choi wasn't given the chance to fight due to his agromegaly. CSAC even pulled Fudgie Rudiger was taken off the card because of his performance on TUF.

"Mr Shark" Min so Kim was last minute and even then he had to do his med papers twice due to the bumbling of CSAC. Even if Min won, it would have to be a freak accident or CSAC would have accused him of juicing.

I like it how they give him a title shot after 1 win and 1 loss but dont give bisping a title shot. sometimes it is little bit annoying.

To be fair to the UFC, the other most obvious options for Couture to defend his title against were already booked to fight. It clearly should have been Nogueira vs Couture, but Nogueira was already booked to fight Mir. And then it should have been Werdum vs Couture, but Werdum had been booked to fight Dos Santos.

And to be honest, Bisping isn't a top 20 middleweight, and he's not top 10 inside the UFC, no way on earth does he deserve a title shot.

To be fair to the UFC, the other most obvious options for Couture to defend his title against were already booked to fight. It clearly should have been Nogueira vs Couture, but Nogueira was already booked to fight Mir. And then it should have been Werdum vs Couture, but Werdum had been booked to fight Dos Santos.

And to be honest, Bisping isn't a top 20 middleweight, and he's not top 10 inside the UFC, no way on earth does he deserve a title shot.

Cain Velasquez?

there's no hype. the guy's entertaining in the ring and gives good performances. just because he'll most likely lose to top notch competition doesn't mean he doesn't belong in MMA. they're not putting him up against cans.

Cain Velasquez?

Yeah, Velasquez would have been better, or even Carwin.

I can still understand why the UFC gave Lesnar the shot. It will make huge buys on ppv. But it's still an injustice that Nogueira or Werdum did not get the shot (although they were already booked for other fights). Brock getting his shot over Velasquez though, not quite so big an injustice.