View Full Version : We know who's best at 140


INFAMOUZ
11-06-2004, 10:50 PM
That answers that, huh?

You'd have to think Tszyu beats anyone at 140 or under if he can perform like that consistently. I thought he'd win by KO, but I didn't expect utter domination. That was like a man fighting a boy.

Good win, Kostya.

Italian250
11-07-2004, 08:28 AM
Gatti.....

Champoreeno
11-07-2004, 08:38 AM
Harris...Cotto...Mayweather...Judah?...

AJ53
11-07-2004, 08:39 AM
That answers that, huh?

You'd have to think Tszyu beats anyone at 140 or under if he can perform like that consistently. I thought he'd win by KO, but I didn't expect utter domination. That was like a man fighting a boy.

Good win, Kostya.
since kostya became undisputed there has been the emergence of cotto and harris.
floyds also stepped up,
hattons been knocking on the door for a while.
gatti looks better than ever,
tszyu is no1 but in a division so deep with talent people are always gonna argue over who is the best untill they all fight each other.
i just wish every division was like l/welter.

AJ53
11-07-2004, 08:42 AM
Harris...Cotto...Mayweather...Judah?...
i can't see judah stepping back down in weight after having a few fights at welter.

stu
11-07-2004, 09:39 AM
I must admit, that was the first time I had seen Kostya fight, and was very impressed.

Do you guys think this was him at his best?

wissy
11-07-2004, 09:54 AM
It was typical tszyu, but i guess the poor performance against leija made everything think tszyu was past it. Watch his performances against miguel angel gonzalez and hurtado. Those were great displays of offensive arsenal. And he put a boxing clinic on tackie.

elveiel
11-07-2004, 09:55 AM
I must admit, that was the first time I had seen Kostya fight, and was very impressed.

Do you guys think this was him at his best?

I'm not sure, i have seen Tszyu fight many times but he's always the same! even as an amateur his style was exactly the same.

Tszyu is a great fighter.

Tszyu is the 140lbs King but there are some good fighters i'd give a chance of beating him

I dont think too much of the Mitchell win, it was obvious Tszyu would whip him! The only worry i had was that Kostya would come in unfit and get beat on points, but the mans a good pro so that was unlikely.

acquitted
11-07-2004, 10:23 AM
i dont think shambra or tsyzu can beat cotto

elveiel
11-07-2004, 10:38 AM
i dont think shambra or tsyzu can beat cotto

I think Cotto would whip Micthell!!

Tszyu is a great fighter with so much experience, i'd pick him to beat Cotto in a very close fight at the moment. Watching Ndou vs Cotto is the reason for me thinking that but I could change my mind if Cotto continues to improve.

hexman
11-07-2004, 12:01 PM
cotto is bigger than both of them thats why he would win, not because hes the better fighter

borikua
11-07-2004, 12:18 PM
great performance by Tszyu last night...but IMO the best at 140 are Floyd and Cotto. :cool:

hexman
11-07-2004, 12:30 PM
yea id love to see zu vs gatti or mayweater next

cple
11-07-2004, 01:02 PM
I think Gatti and at the moment Cotto should steer clear of Tszyu. Kostya would simply destroy Gatti, who's defense has more holes than swiss cheese and would be taking vicious right hands right after another. Gatti might have his moments, but sooner or later he would succomb to Tszyu's power and precision punching.

Cotto would make a more interesting fight because he has very nice boxing skill and a tight defense. However, his defense isn't always so tight. He gets nailed occasionally and his chin hasn't been tested against a fighter with Tszyu's punching prowess. Possibly one day, Cotto would be able to win, but if i were his manager, i wouldn't match up with Tszyu.

I'd possibly pick Mayweather over Tszyu, but Kostya's boxing ability is severely underrated and might be able to compete with Floyd. That fight is a toss-up in my eyes.

However, Tszyu is the top dog right now and he's got (or at least had) the belts to prove it.

jack_the_rippuh
11-07-2004, 01:17 PM
Mayweather can beat Tszyu. Mayweather is on a different level from Tszyu.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
11-07-2004, 01:17 PM
he's been gone for 2 years his victory over Sharmba doesnt prove he is the best at 140 anymore.

Neuraxis
11-07-2004, 01:17 PM
Still no respect. This is amazing.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
11-07-2004, 01:20 PM
Still no respect. This is amazing.

He does get respect, he is a good fighter and was the best at 140 2 years ago... but since then... theres been a lot of fighters that have stepped up.

jack_the_rippuh
11-07-2004, 01:24 PM
I give him tons of respect. He made a top contender look like a warm up fight. But let's not think his victory over Mitchell can translate to a win over Mayweather...

Neuraxis
11-07-2004, 01:26 PM
Did you people even watch the Mayweather v. Corley fight? Whenever Corley actually put punches together, Mayweather did not handle them well. Mayweather will not be able to handle Tszyu's power.

jack_the_rippuh
11-07-2004, 01:31 PM
Quick question...Do you like any American fighter?

Neuraxis
11-07-2004, 01:44 PM
Quick question...Do you like any American fighter?

Way to support my claim about Mayweather's chin as compared to Tszyu's power by asking a homosexual question like that.

jack_the_rippuh
11-07-2004, 02:10 PM
That's not a homosexual question. I would seriously like to know. Because every big name American fighter someone says something good about you seem to name a foreign big name fighter who you think could destroy them. It's just something I noticed. So are you going to answer or not?

TheFairPole
11-07-2004, 02:28 PM
Whatever your opinion is of Kostya we can agree that this is gonna make 2005 an awesome year for boxing!!! There are so many possibilities now for great matchups for Tszyu!!! I'm excited... I want to see him fight Floyd!!!

MikeHunt
11-07-2004, 03:35 PM
That was complete and utter domination last night! I liked Kosta in the fight but I certainly didn't expect it like that, so sudden! I think Kosta has to be the favorite against anyone 140 or below. I'm not betting against him.

Champoreeno
11-07-2004, 03:39 PM
That was complete and utter domination last night! I liked Kosta in the fight but I certainly didn't expect it like that, so sudden! I think Kosta has to be the favorite against anyone 140 or below. I'm not betting against him.


I agree, I did'nt think he'd win that easily last night. Your right, he should be favored against anyone at 140, but still I there are a lot of guys better that Mitchell, who'd have a good chance of beating him.

oldgringo
11-07-2004, 03:40 PM
I think Miguel Cotto beats anyone at 140 right now besides Mayweather. Another fight against a skillful tought opponent will get Miguel on Floyd's level. Then we will see Floyd dealt his first loss.

WillieW
11-07-2004, 03:43 PM
Kt is king at 140lbs. Until anyone beats him, he will continue to be.

Cotto has the potential to be great, but although he has been in with a couple of good fighters, he has never been in with anyone like KT. I'm all for new blood coming in, but Cotto is the one who has to prove himself......not KT.

Mayweather is the better boxer, but he dosen't offer that much to threaten KT as far as punching. Remember KT can box well also and he has the equalizer in his right hand. Can Mayweather dodge those rights all night long? I would love to see if he can. Mayweather still has to show he can be as affective at 140lbs as he was at 135lbs. I think he can....but can he handle KT? I give him a 50/50 chance.

Neuraxis
11-07-2004, 04:12 PM
That's not a homosexual question. I would seriously like to know. Because every big name American fighter someone says something good about you seem to name a foreign big name fighter who you think could destroy them. It's just something I noticed. So are you going to answer or not?

You can address my previous post first, then I will answer your question.

Sidestep_1
11-07-2004, 04:46 PM
I would Tszyu rate No. 1 at the moment, but this devision is VERY interesting right now! I think Gatti would lose because of his poor defense, but IŽd love to see that fight. Mayweather of course has a very good chance of beating Kostya. Cotto and Harris should also be very competitive. Great division :) !

INFAMOUZ
11-07-2004, 09:25 PM
since kostya became undisputed there has been the emergence of cotto and harris.
floyds also stepped up,
hattons been knocking on the door for a while.
gatti looks better than ever,
tszyu is no1 but in a division so deep with talent people are always gonna argue over who is the best untill they all fight each other.
i just wish every division was like l/welter.

KT is a perfect fighter he has great power he times all of his right hand hits which we saw last nite that ko'ed mitchell ...all im saying is that if mitchell cant beat a man that had one week of training what makes you think that he could beat someone like KT thats why mitchell was ko'ed in the 3rd round KT is in amother level. mitchell is a joke people give him more credit then what he really deserves

INFAMOUZ
11-07-2004, 09:27 PM
Cotto is not ready just yet,Cotto hasn't had the experience to take on one of the greats in the division, if they fight he going to get punished.

INFAMOUZ
11-07-2004, 09:33 PM
since kostya became undisputed there has been the emergence of cotto and harris.
floyds also stepped up,
hattons been knocking on the door for a while.
gatti looks better than ever,
tszyu is no1 but in a division so deep with talent people are always gonna argue over who is the best untill they all fight each other.
i just wish every division was like l/welter.

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I hate Pretty more than anyone, but I think he'd be the best test for Tszyu. I think we'll more likely see Hatton vs. Tszyu though because Hatton will bring huge European TV revenues for the fight, whereas Mayweather is mostly only known stateside. I think the Hatton-Tszyu would be better for action, although I just think Tszyu brings too much. Mayweather-Tszyu would be more technical, and even though I hate Pretty Boy, I'd say the odds are slightly in his favor should he move around the ring. If anyone sub-147 engages Tszyu, harris no chance they will fall.

Prorock
11-08-2004, 01:46 AM
Who is the best? KT!!! He is Great.

Mayweather? - hmmm...
Harris? - HA!
Cotto, Hatton? - HA-HA!
Gatti? - HA-HA-HA!

Tszu is the king of welter!

Swifty
11-08-2004, 02:04 AM
tszyu, tszyu and tszyu

FistoftheDallasStar
11-08-2004, 02:09 AM
Mayweather-Tszyu would be the best match up in the divsion and would show with out a doubt who would be king at welter. Gatti has a big name but there is no way Gatti beats Kostya going blow for blow he will lose. Mayweather has shown a tendancy to exchange punches during his last few fights and has been stunned a couple of times. If Tszyu catches him with one he can definatly be hurt. Mayweather can be a very defensive fighter when he wants to be but doesn't have the "Sweet Pea" Whitaker unbreakable defense. It has holes that Kostya could expliot. Would be a good fight if it takes place I just think that Kostya would get a UD or late TKO in this fight.

neostars
11-08-2004, 06:51 AM
Tszyu Vs Mayweather
Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell were both top class boxers. Both move around the ring alot and were very quick with their hands.
But Tszyu still demolished them.
Mayweather fights similar to Zab and Sharmba, plus Mayweather is also fighting up a weight.
I pick Tszyu to win by KO.
Tsyzu best option would be to move up and fight Cory spinks.
Moving up weight, he would need to increase his power to dominate bigger men. It would be more challenging for Tsyzu.
I read that he was planning to fight Cory spinks, before the Sharmba fight. But a deal could not be reach.

jabsRstiff
11-08-2004, 07:24 AM
Cotto's beating fighters like Pinto, Sosa, N'Dou...hasn't shown me that he's ready for Kostya Tszyu.

Tszyu looked like a machine the other night...completely uneffected by time off, & Father Time.
Cotto has faced NOBODY even remotely as good as Kostya Tszyu.

As brilliant as Floyd Mayweather is....he hasn't shown enough at 140 to lead me to make him a favorite over Tszyu.

guru
11-08-2004, 08:41 AM
floyd is tszyu's biggest threat, but you'd have to favor the bigger, stronger tszyu at this point.... flouyd would have to fight a "perfect" fight like he did agianst corrales to beat tszyu...

NAB
11-09-2004, 05:40 PM
Hey Jabs,
I have to agree. Lots of fighters can look great against people they are supposed to look great against.
One thing also, Floyd is 10 lbs heavier than his master performance against Chico. With Tszyu's relentless pressure, carrying this extra weight may slow Floyd down late. I think this is the 140 fight of the year waiting to happen.

LeFtHooK24
11-09-2004, 05:46 PM
Tszu is the king of welter!

Sorry bout that but Mayweather would kick KT ass.Kt lacks mobility and hes not Mitchell or Judah . By the way Zab Lost by being foolish and dropping his hands.

NAB
11-09-2004, 05:50 PM
No matter what he does & who he beats, people will always say that Tszyu is one dimensional etc etc.

drag0n_
11-09-2004, 06:13 PM
I'd say Tszyu is definitely the best at 140 atm until beaten (which is gonna be extremely hard) But i would like to see PBF/Mitchell/Hatton/Gatti/Harris/Cotto/Kostya etc to fight each other so we could actually determine who is the best and who the worst without judging the level of their previous opponents i.e Hatton + Cotto.

I'm looking forward to some big fights in this division!

jack_the_rippuh
11-09-2004, 06:16 PM
You can address my previous post first, then I will answer your question.

Heh....I'll take that as a no. Anyway as for your previous post, I don't think Floyd will go in and stand toe to toe with Tszyu like he did with Corley. I know he will be smart enough to respect his power. I also think that Floyd's will play a big part in making it very tough for Tszyu to land any clean shots.

BrooklynBomber
11-09-2004, 06:51 PM
Floyd was dominant at 135 but his late performance did not impress me at all. He exchanged with Corley where he should not have and was clearly stunned a couple of times. Plus he did not fight for about 8 monthes. I used to think that it was the setback of first fight in Jr. Welter but now I think that added weight just made him slower. Kostya would stalk him all night long and I can see Kostya land his power punches on numerous occasions. And we all saw that one good punch form Zoo will make you kiss the floor.Especially in Floyd's case where he is smaller and weaker than Zoo. i expect late round KO by Zoo, if Floyd will stick to plan of outboxing him, or early KO if he will try to actually fight him

NAB
11-09-2004, 07:00 PM
If Tszyu could get to Floyd's body, he would stop him late for sure.

Neuraxis
11-09-2004, 07:06 PM
Heh....I'll take that as a no. Anyway as for your previous post, I don't think Floyd will go in and stand toe to toe with Tszyu like he did with Corley. I know he will be smart enough to respect his power. I also think that Floyd's will play a big part in making it very tough for Tszyu to land any clean shots.

Alright and my answer is yes.

tony
11-10-2004, 06:00 AM
Tzsyu is the top dog until somebody takes him down. Cotto needs to earn a shot at him by fighting a higher calibre. Cotto has bags of talent but needs to prove himself. Cotto V Hatton would be a good fight to sort out the pecking order to line up a shot at the champ. Tzsyu can take care of Harris while he wait.

I'm a Gatti fan but think he's a car crash waiting to happen. The moment he gets in with a top-tier opponent he loses. The networks won't allow that fight to happen anyway so lets stop dreaming.

Deejay
11-10-2004, 07:59 PM
Tszyu beats Floyd to a pulp...he's too small to hurt KT and if Corley can rock him, I guarantee you KT will floor him. All these Floyd fans are just like the Tito fans before he fought X. That peekaboo defense ain't gonna cut it against KT, it's that simple. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Floyd fan, but I think the size and power advantage is just too much to overcome.

Supafly25
11-10-2004, 09:02 PM
Tszyu is the King. there is no way in hell wayweather could handle Tszyus power. Tszyu would eventually land 1 good punch and that is all he would need.