i didn't see the fight because i am still deployed, but i just read that Toney kicked Bookers ass all over the ring and just made it look so easy as he always does. So i am here, bring it on haters. And give me your point of view of the fight.

i didn't see the fight because i am still deployed, but i just read that Toney kicked Bookers ass all over the ring and just made it look so easy as he always does. So i am here, bring it on haters. And give me your point of view of the fight.
I saw the fight.
The fight was boring, annoying, disappointing, and fustrating.
Nothing great about that fight.
Booker is a nobody who was undefeated in 22 fights because he fought nothing but bums with huge loss records.

If Toney was anywhere near as great as you people claim he is, he should have put this fat, powerless, hugging piece of **** Booker away in the 2nd round.
It went 12 sleep-inducing rounds.
He finally got Booker to go to one knee in the 9th round I think.
So after that I expected Toney to take out Booker.
But no, he still couldn't get him.
Both fighters had no power whatsoever.
Fights like these are the reason why I cannot stand the HW division.

So tell me why you think Toney is great for going 12 uneventful rounds with a fat, weak, no skills having nobody?

I was very impressed by Toney, It was his first fight of the year and he landed evey combo in the book agaist a young fighter who hadn't lost yet. I didn't see Booker as that much of a talent, but neither is Kali Meehan and he almost beat one of the "champs" of the heavyweight divsion.

I say Toney could very well be the best heavyweight out their right now, I would love to see a Toney/Chris Byrd fight.

i didn't see the fight because i am still deployed, but i just read that Toney kicked Bookers ass all over the ring and just made it look so easy as he always does. So i am here, bring it on haters. And give me your point of view of the fight.


Toney is a great boxer but he fought some young kid with some heart and little skill ... and Toney did not look that good. He seemed to lack power and he got very tired at the end of the fight.

I liked Booker though. I think if he acquires more boxing skills, he will be a top contender. He is 23 and has plenty of time, and he does have some heart.

I hope Toney fights Jirov next and Vitaly after that.

I was very impressed by Toney, It was his first fight of the year and he landed evey combo in the book agaist a young fighter who hadn't lost yet. I didn't see Booker as that much of a talent, but neither is Kali Meehan and he almost beat one of the "champs" of the heavyweight divsion.

I say Toney could very well be the best heavyweight out their right now, I would love to see a Toney/Chris Byrd fight.
The Toney I saw tonight would be beaten by even Ruiz and Byrd.
This fight was ****ing pathetic and a huge let down.
All the people who claim Toney is so great should punch themselves in the balls for even saying Toney in the same breath as the word "great".

If many are not calling Tarver the best Lightheavy after KOing a Roy JOnes, I don't see how Toney can be called the best Heavy after going 12 with a Booker. :confused: :)

Lites out! I hope he fights Roy Jones...yayyyyyyy!

If many are not calling Tarver the best Lightheavy after KOing a Roy JOnes, I don't see how Toney can be called the best Heavy after going 12 with a Booker. :confused: :)
Because those people always need an ******* to place their tongue in.
Seriously, I don't know why people like Ruiz, Byrd, and Toney are allowed to box.
These guys are ****ing worthless and are better suited for jobs like janitors or garbage men.

Because those people always need an ******* to place their tongue in.
Seriously, I don't know why people like Ruiz, Byrd, and Toney are allowed to box.
These guys are ****ing worthless and are better suited for jobs like janitors or garbage men.I'm biting my tongue, doc! Prolly coz I don't want to get it into some hole? :D LOL

i didn't see the fight because i am still deployed, but i just read that Toney kicked Bookers ass all over the ring and just made it look so easy as he always does. So i am here, bring it on haters. And give me your point of view of the fight.

Yea if Booker was De La Hoya we wouldn't went running out of the ring screaming and crying!! LOL!

SOrry guys, somebody other that Lites OUt gotta tell it like it is baby!

Toney's gonna fawk up Jirov, then Vitali, then Byrd.

The average fan doesnt' know those 3 guys, but I hope they fight on FREE TV!!! :cool:

Going into the fight I at least thought Toney would be able to give Vitali somewhat of a good fight. After the fight was over I came to the conclusion that Toney would not be able to beat any top heavyweight contender and that he'd struggle to beat a top 40 heavyweight. He couldn't even put away Booker, he lost 2 rounds, and Booker is a horrible C level heavyweight. I don't agree with Byrd much but he said it nicely when he said that none of the heavyweights are going to be losing much sleep over Toney after the performance he put on tonight.

Going into the fight I at least thought Toney would be able to give Vitali somewhat of a good fight. After the fight was over I came to the conclusion that Toney would not be able to beat any top heavyweight contender and that he'd struggle to beat a top 40 heavyweight. He couldn't even put away Booker, he lost 2 rounds, and Booker is a horrible C level heavyweight. I don't agree with Byrd much but he said it nicely when he said that none of the heavyweights are going to be losing much sleep over Toney after the performance he put on tonight.
This is the first time to my knowledge that he has fought a true heavyweight.
Even though it was a ****ty one.
The other guys he's fought weren't true heavyweights.

Actually Booker started out at cruiserweight but he is such a fatass that he can't make that weight any more.

Actually Booker started out at cruiserweight but he is such a fatass that he can't make that weight any more.
Oh ok.
So Toney still hasn't faced a true heavyweight.

Exactly and it looks like Monte 16 KOs in 30 wins Barrett is going to be his first true heavyweight opponent. Talk about power.

He beat an old Holyfeild at heavyweight last year, and he beat Jirov at Cruserweight last year-- The guy has a chance as a heavyweight, he will fight a real heavyweight later this year on HBO. Then we will see if he can make it one the heavyweight scene. I was not unimpressed by his showing tonight, he didn't knock the young guy out but I give Toney a chance he can fight.

He beat an old Holyfeild at heavyweight last year, and he beat Jirov at Cruserweight last year-- The guy has a chance as a heavyweight, he will fight a real heavyweight later this year on HBO. Then we will see if he can make it one the heavyweight scene. I was not unimpressed by his showing tonight, he didn't knock the young guy out but I give Toney a chance he can fight.
Although I am not a boxer, I felt like I could have given Booker the same fight Toney did tonight.
That's how unimpressed I was tonight.

i wanna see james toney-vitali klitschko and i'd like to see james get a taste of tha canvas

i'm glad to see the haters are out tonight. It's not that booker is bad it's that toney is so good he made Booker look so bad. You can't KO every one. but he did take out holyfield how many fighters can say they did that. Toney has skills and will continue to take out the HW div one by one, and one day you all will wake up and say damn THEGREAT1 was right.

Rydell Booker World Rank 74

I'm aint saying he's Joe Loius, but considering how awful the heavyweight division is right now Toney has a shot. Against Vitali, Toney does has a shot. If anyone can back Vitali up on the ropes Klitchko will look as bad as a lot of people think Toney looked tonight.

If many are not calling Tarver the best Lightheavy after KOing a Roy JOnes, I don't see how Toney can be called the best Heavy after going 12 with a Booker. :confused: :)

it's because they are haters Tarver is by far the best LHW out there, people just hate on them because they speak there minds. The people here feel like they can talk about fighters, but when a fighter talks about another fighter, the somehow they are wrong. Tarver and Toney are the ****.

Why would Vitali ever fight off the ropes when he was never done that before?

why are people saying toney fought bad, but when i read the article it said that toney beat booker from one end of the ring to another. why do you people hate so much?

Why would Vitali ever fight off the ropes when he was never done that before?

You have to pressure him on the ropes, fight him inside and back him on the ropes-- Agaisnt Klitchko, you have to always be taking the fight to him.

Its because the number one WBC contender should have blown out a C level fighter. If Toney was a C fighter himself everyone would be saying wow great fight Toney, but he's not.

Because anyone has ever done that too him before either. If Toney tries to get inside he is going to jab him off, push him off, or clinch.

Its because the number one WBC contender should have blown out a C level fighter. If Toney was a C fighter himself everyone would be saying wow great fight Toney, but he's not.

toney won every round isn't that a blow out?

it's because they are haters Tarver is by far the best LHW out there, people just hate on them because they speak there minds. The people here feel like they can talk about fighters, but when a fighter talks about another fighter, the somehow they are wrong. Tarver and Toney are the ****.


yo ya
tarver is good and he's under rated
from what i hear he should've won tha first match
and he knocked rjj tha 2nd round of tha 2nd fight n that just pissed ppl off

and eric harding gave roy jones a harder time then he did to tarver

Vitali Klitchko is a sitting duck waiting to get beat. He will be knocked out by the end of next year. Hell, I even give Danny Williams a chance. You just have to attack the guy and not allow him to tie you up.

Rydell Booker World Rank 74How then could have he met Toney? :confused: Oh, I get it! Boxing today is a crazy network of roads where, often, those who shouldn't meet atop the ring, do; and those who should, don't! :( Thanks for the info! :)

yo ya
tarver is good and he's under rated
from what i hear he should've won tha first match
and he knocked rjj tha 2nd round of tha 2nd fight n that just pissed ppl off

and eric harding gave roy jones a harder time then he did to tarver

yes tarver should have won the 1st fight. but he was robbed so the next fight he said he wasn't going to let it go to the scorecards. which he didn't. like i said people just like to hate. but they know no one right now can beat toney or tarver. I want to see Hopkins come up and get his ass handed to him by tarver next. And VK would get a lesson from toney.

Not impressed at all. Booker never had and never will have the skills or power to hang with Toney. That being said, Toney got hit flush more often than I liked to see. One flush shot from Vitali, Golata, Brewster, Wlad, Tyson, ect would put Toney down.

Toney looked in great shape, yet he could not close the show and get the knock out. It appears his power did not follow him up in the weight class. Before this fight I felt Toney would be a match against all the champs besides Vitali. Now I think the only champ he can take is Brewster (do I really have to call Brewster a champ... its just the WBO). Vitali will knock Toney out, and Ruiz/Byrd will out point him.

Toney is a great fighter no doubt, but he did not bring his defence or power up with him enough to offset the size advantage of the big guys, nor the speed to out slick the fast guys. But I still love to watch him fight.

Its because the number one WBC contender should have blown out a C level fighter. If Toney was a C fighter himself everyone would be saying wow great fight Toney, but he's not.

Toney showed great performance. So what the hell do you mean? Toney made him look foolish in every single round, the kid was throwing like one or two punches.

yes tarver should have won the 1st fight. but he was robbed so the next fight he said he wasn't going to let it go to the scorecards. which he didn't. like i said people just like to hate. but they know no one right now can beat toney or tarver. I want to see Hopkins come up and get his ass handed to him by tarver next. And VK would get a lesson from toney.

I don't think people hate Toney. :cool: Today's fight was a warm up for him, and we all will tune in on his next real battles. Toney is a great fighter.

Not impressed at all. Booker never had and never will have the skills or power to hang with Toney. That being said, Toney got hit flush more often than I liked to see. One flush shot from Vitali, Golata, Brewster, Wlad, Tyson, ect would put Toney down.

Toney looked in great shape, yet he could not close the show and get the knock out. It appears his power did not follow him up in the weight class. Before this fight I felt Toney would be a match against all the champs besides Vitali. Now I think the only champ he can take is Brewster (do I really have to call Brewster a champ... its just the WBO). Vitali will knock Toney out, and Ruiz/Byrd will out point him.

Toney is a great fighter no doubt, but he did not bring his defence or power up with him enough to offset the size advantage of the big guys, nor the speed to out slick the fast guys. But I still love to watch him fight.

I think Toney can out smart Vitali. And no one would dare say that Vitali is a smart fighter. This is Toney's first fight in awhile, but he still came in in great shape with preformance. Sure the odd is against Toney on a V.Klitchko-Toney bout, but I would rather see that than the up coming V.Klitchsko-Williams, PPV or not.

yes tarver should have won the 1st fight. but he was robbed so the next fight he said he wasn't going to let it go to the scorecards. which he didn't. like i said people just like to hate. but they know no one right now can beat toney or tarver. I want to see Hopkins come up and get his ass handed to him by tarver next. And VK would get a lesson from toney. I think Tarver lost their first meeting more than Roy won it. As I remember it, Tarver had Roy's number in the early going as he stayed in the face of Jones, followed Jones to the ropes and lambasted him with mean shots, and slipped Roy's counters. Then, for no apparent reason, he decided to fence with Jones in the middle rounds, only becoming active again in the 10th where he seemed to hurt Jones. Then, again, he, slacked off in the 11th and 12th! One judge, I can't remember who, called it even. Another, saw Jones way ahead. The third had a two or three point difference.I saw it as something that could have gone either way. But Tarver, I think, could have won convincingly had he kept the pressure up in most of the middle rounds and the last two. :(

And no one would dare say that Vitali is a smart fighter.


I will. Honestly I can't see how you think otherwise. He breaks down his opponents while get hit as little as possible. Tactics wise you can only say he screwed up twice at best, and even that is stretching it. I am in no way saying Vitali's ring smarts is greater than Toney, but I would not give Toney the edge by much. Not enough difference to offset the physical differences for sure.

I would love to see this fight too. But I have grown to like Toney. I would rather see him stay around for a while and pick off Brewster or try Bryd/Ruiz. He has a much better chance in those fights, and they still will be exiting. Why go in with the guy who has the best chance to beat you first?

you don't have to win by ko every fight to be good. hell look at bryd when was the last time he KO'd someone? Toney has great power and well be able to KO some of the HW's. he has great combo's and a iron chin. he will not be a easy win for anyone. Toney knows when he needs his defense, he will bring it when that time arrives. He wouldn't let VK land to many solid shots.

i'm glad to see the haters are out tonight. It's not that booker is bad it's that toney is so good he made Booker look so bad. You can't KO every one. but he did take out holyfield how many fighters can say they did that. Toney has skills and will continue to take out the HW div one by one, and one day you all will wake up and say damn THEGREAT1 was right.
No, Booker is really that bad.
Ignore what Kellerman says and actually look at the gay bastard's record.
I say he's gay cause he blew Toney a kiss at the weigh-in and tapped Toney's ass during their clinches.
That and he couldn't stop hugging Toney.

If Toney was as great as you say, he shouldn't have been caught with the slow and sloppy combinations that Booker hit him with.
Also, he should have been able to put him away early or at least after he made Booker take a knee.
But he didn't.

Also, you didn't see the damn fight so why are you ready to give Toney a blowjob?
This is nothing to be bragging about.
The man looked horrible, that's all there is to it.

it's because they are haters Tarver is by far the best LHW out there, people just hate on them because they speak there minds. The people here feel like they can talk about fighters, but when a fighter talks about another fighter, the somehow they are wrong. Tarver and Toney are the ****.
You're close.
It's "Tarver and Toney are ****". ;)

you don't have to win by ko every fight to be good. hell look at bryd when was the last time he KO'd someone? Toney has great power and well be able to KO some of the HW's. he has great combo's and a iron chin. he will not be a easy win for anyone. Toney knows when he needs his defense, he will bring it when that time arrives. He wouldn't let VK land to many solid shots.

I agree. But how many shots do you really think Vitali needs to land. Toney would have to be on his A-game for 36 minutes, I dont think he can do that. If Toney spends all his thoughts on the Big-D he can last the fight, but he will lose on the cards then. Once again, Toney is a great fighter, this just is not a fight I think he can win.

why are people saying toney fought bad, but when i read the article it said that toney beat booker from one end of the ring to another. why do you people hate so much?
Don't believe the articles, believe the people who have seen the fight or see the fight for yourself.

toney won every round isn't that a blow out?
With the kind of guy he was fighting, he should have knocked him out in the 2nd round if he's so damn great.
The match was a ****ing let down.
Please, stop kissing Toney's ass and actually watch this match.
After you have seen it, then tell me if you still think Toney is great.

Not impressed at all. Booker never had and never will have the skills or power to hang with Toney. That being said, Toney got hit flush more often than I liked to see. One flush shot from Vitali, Golata, Brewster, Wlad, Tyson, ect would put Toney down.

Toney looked in great shape, yet he could not close the show and get the knock out. It appears his power did not follow him up in the weight class. Before this fight I felt Toney would be a match against all the champs besides Vitali. Now I think the only champ he can take is Brewster (do I really have to call Brewster a champ... its just the WBO). Vitali will knock Toney out, and Ruiz/Byrd will out point him.

Toney is a great fighter no doubt, but he did not bring his defence or power up with him enough to offset the size advantage of the big guys, nor the speed to out slick the fast guys. But I still love to watch him fight.

We can't even call Toney a champ.
It's just the "IBA" belt.
Who the **** are they?
That and he took 12 rounds to beat a nobody for it.

I don't think people hate Toney. :cool: Today's fight was a warm up for him, and we all will tune in on his next real battles. Toney is a great fighter.
I hate Toney.
I don't think he can even massage the balls of the other heavyweights.

I'm pissed that I actually watched this match so I wouldn't feel so bad about trashing him.

you don't have to win by ko every fight to be good. hell look at bryd when was the last time he KO'd someone? Toney has great power and well be able to KO some of the HW's. he has great combo's and a iron chin. he will not be a easy win for anyone. Toney knows when he needs his defense, he will bring it when that time arrives. He wouldn't let VK land to many solid shots.
Do you really not get it?
The guy he faced was a FAT WEAK POWERLESS UNSKILLED NOBODY!
He should not have gone 12 rounds with this guy.
He should have not been hit flush by this guy.
Especially not as many times as he was.
He shouldn't have taken so long to hurt this guy.
And most importantly, you shouldn't be kissing his ass when you haven't seen the ****ing fight.

We can't even call Toney a champ.
It's just the "IBA" belt.
Who the **** are they?
That and he took 12 rounds to beat a nobody for it.Who was it who said that "...there can scarcely be a bigger waste of metal and leather than an IBA belt?" Oh, I guess I did. ;)

Who was it who said that "...there can scarcely be a bigger waste of metal and leather than an IBA belt?" Oh, I guess I did. ;)
lol A **** stained piece of toilet paper has more meaning than the IBA belt.

I totally agree Doc!!! Booker wanted to quit!!! He kept looking to his corner to throw in the towel but they wouldn't!!! If this kid would have fought the rest of the fight like the first round, just like Byrd said he could have done something!!! He was definately intimidated!!! Toney looked like ****!!! He will have absolutely no chance against Vitali!!! He was slow and powerless against a guy who was just terrible!!! Byrd even said that all the top heavyweights probably went to sleep during the fight cause they don't have anything to feer!!! Byrd would just slaughter Toney!!! Toney just can't handle all that muscle he put on!!!

I totally agree Doc!!! Booker wanted to quit!!! He kept looking to his corner to throw in the towel but they wouldn't!!! If this kid would have fought the rest of the fight like the first round, just like Byrd said he could have done something!!! He was definately intimidated!!! Toney looked like ****!!! He will have absolutely no chance against Vitali!!! He was slow and powerless against a guy who was just terrible!!! Byrd even said that all the top heavyweights probably went to sleep during the fight cause they don't have anything to feer!!! Byrd would just slaughter Toney!!! Toney just can't handle all that muscle he put on!!!
VK would shatter Toney's jaw.
Then we would all have to thank VK for putting an end to that ****ing ape and the bull**** that spews from his big ugly banana filled mouth.

lol A **** stained piece of toilet paper has more meaning than the IBA belt.LOL!!!! :D

The IBA belt is a damn joke, as is Rydell Booker's undefeated record... That being said, at least Toney got the job done- and while I dont think he would be able to beat the top two guys in the division (Byrd and Vitali) I definitally dont think that he hurt his stock tonight.

The IBA belt is a damn joke, as is Rydell Booker's undefeated record... That being said, at least Toney got the job done- and while I dont think he would be able to beat the top two guys in the division (Byrd and Vitali) I definitally dont think that he hurt his stock tonight.
But he did.
He showed that he is nothing but hype.
None of the heavyweights will take him seriously now.
He is nothing, just like I said he was.

Congratulations to all Toney fans. I saw his fight today. It is the first time I have ever seen Toney fight. He looks very good. I didn;t see the fight by myself, I watched it with others, and someone told me they think Toney reminds them of Frazier. I have heard of Frazier, and I know he was good. I hope there will be a Toney and Vitali fight next year. I know it will be a very good fight. Boxing needs good fights. The best should always fight each other.

Congratulations to all Toney fans. I saw his fight today. It is the first time I have ever seen Toney fight. He looks very good. I didn;t see the fight by myself, I watched it with others, and someone told me they think Toney reminds them of Frazier. I have heard of Frazier, and I know he was good. I hope there will be a Toney and Vitali fight next year. I know it will be a very good fight. Boxing needs good fights. The best should always fight each other.
Vitali will destroy Toney.
I will say this as many times as I need to.
Toney is nothing and his fight with Booker proved it.

Hello Dr. Cynical. I like your new avatar. It is always fun for me to read your posts.

Hello Dr. Cynical. I like your new avatar. It is always fun for me to read your posts.
Hello and thank you.

I really feel that Toney has no chance against Vitali.
Especially after his boring and disappointing performance against a nobody.
Vitali will have an easy night against Toney.
Toney should just go back to fighting old cruiserweights and bums.

I agree with you Dr. Cynical. I read your words, and I tried to get into the bank. I can't get into the bank. It probably means no one can use the bank.

I agree with you Dr. Cynical. I read your words, and I tried to get into the bank. I can't get into the bank. It probably means no one can use the bank.
Ok, thanks.
I hope it doesn't mean that Rick has taken away the bank feature.
I have the majority of my points in there. :(

Ok, thanks.
I hope it doesn't mean that Rick has taken away the bank feature.
I have the majority of my points in there. :(

Dr. Cynical, I hope your points are okay. I think your points are safe still. I think the forum would say to everyone if the bank was being closed. I will share my points with you if something did happen to the bank.

Dr. Cynical, I hope your points are okay. I think your points are safe still. I think the forum would say to everyone if the bank was being closed. I will share my points with you if something did happen to the bank.
I hope they are safe too.

Thanks for being so generous.

I hope they are safe too.

Thanks for being so generous.

I will continue this conversation when i see the fight. But If toney fought like they said on the homepage then i think you are just hating because you don't like toney. I am sure that you would never give him the credit he is due. He has made a big jump to the HW div after starting off a Middleweight. I have always respected toney's skill, and beleive he can and has brought them to the HW div, true he may not KO all the HW's but he will beat them. His skill is just too good. I can't beleive people are listening to Bryd, he is hasn't KO'd anyone in years. now he is boring. From what i have seen toney do before it sounds like he did the same thing in this fight, just win everyround by out boxing the guy in front of him. Even if he didn't KO booker, atleast he dominated the whole fight, isn't that worth something.

By Rick Reeno

This fight was a pure mismatch, it was a pure beating from beggining to end as Rydell Booker was beaten up from one corner to another.

Booker was undefeated with a record of 22-0, the record was heavily padded and it really showed in this fight. The scores were 120-108, 118-109 and 117-110. James Toney is the new IBA heavyweight champion.

This fight could have been stopped at anytime after the first round as Booker did nothing at all in most rounds. Booker just ran and tried to survive as James Toney beat on his body and landed the right uppercut all night long.

Booker landed three shots per round at best and in some rounds I didnt see him land a punch at all. Some rounds I'm not sure if Booker even through a punch. I couldnt believe the corner of Booker let the fight get to the last round.

Booker was rocked several times in the fight and took a knee in the eight round as Toney had him rocking all over the ring.

Toney said that he hurt his left arm in the first round but it doesnt appear to be anything serious. Since Toney hurt his left, he threw the right uppercut all night and probaly landed every single one.

People make fun of the conditioning of Toney but he went twelve long rounds of stalking, throwing punches and appeared in great shape. I cant say the same for Booker who came into the fight with a huge gut. Never good when a 23 year old guy comes into the fight in such sad shape.

I will continue this conversation when i see the fight. But If toney fought like they said on the homepage then i think you are just hating because you don't like toney. I am sure that you would never give him the credit he is due. He has made a big jump to the HW div after starting off a Middleweight. I have always respected toney's skill, and beleive he can and has brought them to the HW div, true he may not KO all the HW's but he will beat them. His skill is just too good. I can't beleive people are listening to Bryd, he is hasn't KO'd anyone in years. now he is boring. From what i have seen toney do before it sounds like he did the same thing in this fight, just win everyround by out boxing the guy in front of him. Even if he didn't KO booker, atleast he dominated the whole fight, isn't that worth something.
Trust me, I am not "hating" on Toney.
I actually wanted him to beat Booker's ass.
Toney showed that he had no power and was pretty much all hype.
He was up against some young guy who came into the fight with a ****ing soft belly.
The guy had been fighting nothing but bums with huge loss records and he had no power and no skills.
Yet Toney went the full 12 with him.
And it took Toney till the 8th or 9th round to even make Booker take a knee.

If Toney was something special he would have put this bum out early in the match or at least truly dominated him.
He was hit flush with too many slow and sloppy combos from that young gay bum.

By Rick Reeno

This fight was a pure mismatch, it was a pure beating from beggining to end as Rydell Booker was beaten up from one corner to another.

Booker was undefeated with a record of 22-0, the record was heavily padded and it really showed in this fight. The scores were 120-108, 118-109 and 117-110. James Toney is the new IBA heavyweight champion.

This fight could have been stopped at anytime after the first round as Booker did nothing at all in most rounds. Booker just ran and tried to survive as James Toney beat on his body and landed the right uppercut all night long.

Booker landed three shots per round at best and in some rounds I didnt see him land a punch at all. Some rounds I'm not sure if Booker even through a punch. I couldnt believe the corner of Booker let the fight get to the last round.

Booker was rocked several times in the fight and took a knee in the eight round as Toney had him rocking all over the ring.

Toney said that he hurt his left arm in the first round but it doesnt appear to be anything serious. Since Toney hurt his left, he threw the right uppercut all night and probaly landed every single one.

People make fun of the conditioning of Toney but he went twelve long rounds of stalking, throwing punches and appeared in great shape. I cant say the same for Booker who came into the fight with a huge gut. Never good when a 23 year old guy comes into the fight in such sad shape.

I guess Rick didn't see the slow and sloppy combinations that Booker hit Toney with.
Or did but just didn't want to mention them.
Toney came up with a lame excuse as to why he didn't put Booker away.
The simple truth is that he couldn't put Booker away.
Booker a gay, fat, powerless, unskilled and exhausted bum.
Yet Toney couldn't put someone like that away.
That tells you alot about Toney.

I guess Rick didn't see the slow and sloppy combinations that Booker hit Toney with.
Or did but just didn't want to mention them.
Toney came up with a lame excuse as to why he didn't put Booker away.
The simple truth is that he couldn't put Booker away.
Booker a gay, fat, powerless, unskilled and exhausted bum.
Yet Toney couldn't put someone like that away.
That tells you alot about Toney.

bookers combos must not have done much because i see one judge gave Toney every round

bookers combos must not have done much because i see one judge gave Toney every round
That's my point, the guy has no power.
If Toney was so great he wouldn't have been hit with these combos.
He would have saw them coming and avoided them.
But those combos did enough to Toney that Booker was able to move out of his way and hug him.

Toney won every round but it doesn't mean he should be praised for that in this fight.
Especially not in the way he won this fight.
Really, do me a favor and do the following things.

Check out Booker's record and the way he looks.
Watch the fight.
Tell me what you see happening in that fight.

i didn't see the fight because i am still deployed, but i just read that Toney kicked Bookers ass all over the ring and just made it look so easy as he always does. So i am here, bring it on haters. And give me your point of view of the fight.

You are now going to be known from this day as 'The Comedian', this fight proved without a shadow of a doubt that Toney will never be a HW champion holding a major title. The dude just cant punch at this weight, he hasnt got the power to beat a decent HW.
Vitali would walk throuogh him, as would Williams ect ect.
Tua would polax Toney in a round. You are obviously a Toney fan boy, and thats good you have a hero, but dont smack talk as much as Toney, he cant back up his own mouth and neither can you.

That's my point, the guy has no power.
If Toney was so great he wouldn't have been hit with these combos.
He would have saw them coming and avoided them.
But those combos did enough to Toney that Booker was able to move out of his way and hug him.

Toney won every round but it doesn't mean he should be praised for that in this fight.
Especially not in the way he won this fight.
Really, do me a favor and do the following things.

Check out Booker's record and the way he looks.
Watch the fight.
Tell me what you see happening in that fight.

cool, but i will not be out of the field until next month, Tracylee is recording all the fights for me, so i can watch them when i get home, man i can't wait. get home get some beer and just sit around for a day watching boxing. yeah i checked out booker's record when the 1st anounced the fight, i figure toney wanted to take a tune up fight before going after the big dogs, to see how his ingury would hold up. i think he is ready now. Ruiz should stay away from toney, ruiz like to fight on the inside, toney would pick him apart there.

cool, but i will not be out of the field until next month, Tracylee is recording all the fights for me, so i can watch them when i get home, man i can't wait. get home get some beer and just sit around for a day watching boxing. yeah i checked out booker's record when the 1st anounced the fight, i figure toney wanted to take a tune up fight before going after the big dogs, to see how his ingury would hold up. i think he is ready now. Ruiz should stay away from toney, ruiz like to fight on the inside, toney would pick him apart there.
You are going to hate yourself for watching this match.
I know I hate myself for watching it.

Another reason why I have no respect for Toney is that he struggled (in a sense) and went the full 12 rounds in a tune up match against a nobody.

You are going to hate yourself for watching this match.
I know I hate myself for watching it.

Another reason why I have no respect for Toney is that he struggled (in a sense) and went the full 12 rounds in a tune up match against a nobody.

she is also sending me the DLH/hopkins, and Roy jones fight. do you know then the Don King PPV is?

she is also sending me the DLH/hopkins, and Roy jones fight. do you know then the Don King PPV is?
lol I never know when a fight is.
I always find out from this forum.

lol I never know when a fight is.
I always find out from this forum.

yeah me too, i know it's sometime next month but not sure when. i hope i will be home to watch it. only i hate the commentators, HBO has the best commentators, they keep you into the fights. the don king shows are boring.

Dr. how long do you to keep that sig? did you bet on DLH?

yeah me too, i know it's sometime next month but not sure when. i hope i will be home to watch it. only i hate the commentators, HBO has the best commentators, they keep you into the fights. the don king shows are boring.
I enjoy watching fights on HBO.
One of the reasons I hated watching the Toney fight was due to it being on FSN.
They don't know **** about boxing and make it very obvious.
It just looks so unprofessional there.

Dr. how long do you to keep that sig? did you bet on DLH?
I keep it till this Saturday.
Yes I did.
DLH did pretty good against Hopkins prior to the bull**** ending.
He did pretty good for a blown up welterweight who wasn't given enough time to train and get settled into that weight.

I keep it till this Saturday.
Yes I did.
DLH did pretty good against Hopkins prior to the bull**** ending.
He did pretty good for a blown up welterweight who wasn't given enough time to train and get settled into that weight.

i also took DLH, i lost $50 but i wasn't upset, i don't like either fighters, i respect there skills just don't like them, and i hate hopkins worse.

I enjoy watching fights on HBO.
One of the reasons I hated watching the Toney fight was due to it being on FSN.
They don't know **** about boxing and make it very obvious.
It just looks so unprofessional there.

yeah i know, they r not that good, i used to really like HBO when george was on there, i was always waiting for george to KO Larry. but they all seem to know whats going on. I don't like Manny Steward up there, he just kinda agrees with what every they say.

yeah i know, they r not that good, i used to really like HBO when george was on there, i was always waiting for george to KO Larry. but they all seem to know whats going on. I don't like Manny Steward up there, he just kinda agrees with what every they say.
Yeah Steward is starting to get on my nerves.
But hey, it won't be long till they replace him with another fighter or trainer.

i also took DLH, i lost $50 but i wasn't upset, i don't like either fighters, i respect there skills just don't like them, and i hate hopkins worse.
Yeah I don't like Hopkins either.
Ugly, overrated and a coward.
He should prove that he has some balls and get the **** out of middleweight.

Yeah I don't like Hopkins either.
Ugly, overrated and a coward.
He should prove that he has some balls and get the **** out of middleweight.

he will, as soon as the try to make him fight J. Taylor. but he would rather stay there and call out all the smaller guys to come up so he can have an advantage. i would like to see him sign against Tarver, tarver would put him on his ass so would Roy. but knowing Hopkins he might try to call out Pacman next. he should be small enough for him

he will, as soon as the try to make him fight J. Taylor. but he would rather stay there and call out all the smaller guys to come up so he can have an advantage. i would like to see him sign against Tarver, tarver would put him on his ass so would Roy. but knowing Hopkins he might try to call out Pacman next. he should be small enough for him
lol Pac will say yes because he's crazy.
But Hopkins won't make it to the match.
Pac's fans will stalk him and beat him within an inch of his life.
Those pac fans are ****ing nuts! :p

lol Pac will say yes because he's crazy.
But Hopkins won't make it to the match.
Pac's fans will stalk him and beat him within an inch of his life.
Those pac fans are ****ing nuts! :p

yeah, i know, they treat him like they treated that girl from Hawaii that was on American Idol. You know they gave that girl her own day here in hawaii, and she didn't even win.

i think tony is just shaking off the rust. a few more fights and he will look better. he definately doesn't need a big fight until he shakes off the rest of that rust though.

"Ugly, overrated and a coward."

Dr. Cynical,

Ahh....again, you make an idiotic statement....but, I now detect something else.
You like to insult the appearance of fighters.

Tell me, are you a teenage girl, or a queer ?

Dumb & gay is no way to go through life, young man.

Dumb & gay is no way to go through life, young man.

Listen to Jibby he is the voice of eternal experience on this issue!

Nicht....

I would say you're a flamer, but you're German.
That makes it difficult to tell what is responsible for your fruitiness.

Jibby all wishful thinking on your part so get out of yer party dress and wipe the lipstick off yer pucker.(both of them)

You are going to hate yourself for watching this match.
I know I hate myself for watching it.

Another reason why I have no respect for Toney is that he struggled (in a sense) and went the full 12 rounds in a tune up match against a nobody.

The match wasnt bad. I thought Toney looked great and Booker isnt that bad of a fighter. Yes, hes a nobody, but not a complete bum.

I dont agree that he struggled. He looked the same as he did in his previous fights with Evander and Jirov in the sense that he would act lazy then come out with quick combos in bursts that would hurt his opponent. Also, I thought James defense was excellent last night.

If you saw the fight you should know that the only reason he went 12 rounds is because Booker doesnt know how to loose yet, the Ref is a dumb ass, and Bookers corner didnt throw in the towel like they should have. Toney TKO'ed that guy a couple times in the fight. The Ref should have stopped it, or the corner of Booker should have thrown in the towel. Booker had to much heart and not enough brains to go down.

Let me put it to you this way. My girlfirend who doesnt like boxing was watching the fight with me and she started CRYING for Booker because should couldnt stand to watch a man get his ass whopped so bad. lol!

Toney looked great in that fight and Im glad he got 12 Rds in. I think he can beat Vitali. Bring on the Russian Frankentein!

Jibby all wishful thinking on your part so get out of yer party dress and wipe the lipstick off yer pucker.(both of them)

What ? Stop projecting your early Sunday morning routine onto me.

James Toney won 10 out of the 12 rounds and constantly punched Booker cleanly. With that said Booker hardly had any bruises on his face after the fight, what does that tell you, it tells me that Toney does not have heavyweight power to compete with the Ruiz, Tyson, Klitschko's, Byrd of the heavyweight division. I even think that Lamon Brewster would defeat Toney's fat ass.

James Toney won 10 out of the 12 rounds and constantly punched Booker cleanly. With that said Booker hardly had any bruises on his face after the fight, what does that tell you, it tells me that Toney does not have heavyweight power to compete with the Ruiz, Tyson, Klitschko's, Byrd of the heavyweight division. I even think that Lamon Brewster would defeat Toney's fat ass.

I saw the fight yesterday. It was the first time I had ever seen Toney fight. I had never seen him before, only heard of him.

You are right, there were no bruises on the other fighter's face. I never noticed that.

The last time I saw contestant's cleavage like that in a fight was at a FOXY BOXING bout in Mississauga.

I saw the fight yesterday. It was the first time I had ever seen Toney fight. I had never seen him before, only heard of him.

You are right, there were no bruises on the other fighter's face. I never noticed that.

Thats because HES BLACK! you morons! If you saw him today I bet he would be black and blue all over. He did have some damage on his face during the fight. Its not like he walked out of there the way he walked in.

Sorry Winter, this is more directed at the guy you quoted.

The last time I saw contestant's cleavage like that in a fight was at a FOXY BOXING bout in Mississauga.


It's nice to see a Kraut who has "graduated" to a higher form of entertainment than David Hasselhoff.

I was very impressed by Toney, It was his first fight of the year and he landed evey combo in the book agaist a young fighter who hadn't lost yet. I didn't see Booker as that much of a talent, but neither is Kali Meehan and he almost beat one of the "champs" of the heavyweight divsion.

I say Toney could very well be the best heavyweight out their right now, I would love to see a Toney/Chris Byrd fight.

Byrd vs. Toney? THAT would be a defensive nightmare! Toney threw some great body shot's and combo's (he was really hurting Booker with those uppercut's!!) and I understand he is just coming back from a major injury, but where's the power? I kept waiting on him to knock Booker out, and that's about the ONLY thing he didnt do to him! His injury doesnt have anything to do with power, and all that considered makes me wonder how Toney would fare against a power puncher. The "asskissers" on the Sport's show tried soooooo hard to act like it was cause Toney hurt his arm early in the fight, but Toney himself admitted that had nothing to do with it.
Toney's not "out" as far as the heavy wt. division goes, but he's definately not a sure thing either. In against some stronger, more skillful boxer's and he may have some trouble.
But please, the power's that be, DONT put Toney and Byrd in the ring together!!!!!!!! I dont have insomnia...sleeping on my own is no problem :D

Thats because HES BLACK! you morons! If you saw him today I bet he would be black and blue all over. He did have some damage on his face during the fight. Its not like he walked out of there the way he walked in.

Sorry Winter, this is more directed at the guy you quoted.


What the **** does that mean you jerk-off. I have seen many blacks after fights and there bruises have been visible right away, you realize how ****ing dumb you sound.

It's nice to see a Kraut who has "graduated" to a higher form of entertainment than David Hasselhoff.

Gather round folks it's Jibby the talking turd....free clothespins for everyone's noses!

I, the "talking turd", have freshened up many a room full of Euros.
A cat litter box would work as an air freshener in you & all of your kin's households.

I wonder if Vitali saw Toney's fight yesterday, and I wonder what he thought about the fight.

James Toney is a great boxer. The problem is his size, reach and power at Heavyweight. I'm not a Toney hater or Klitschko lover, but ol' VK would do a number on Toney. VK's reach and size would be too much for him to overcome.

Toney would defeat Brewster fairly easily on heart and determination alone. A fight with Byrd would be close, but I'm sure Byrd would win a decision. ( god I hope that fight doesn't happen..I'm falling asleep already)

I hope I'm wrong and Toney beats everyone, becuase he is certainly entertaining to watch and listen to.

question...who is the biggest moron? Kellerman or Tom Arnold?

I wonder if Vitali saw Toney's fight yesterday, and I wonder what he thought about the fight.

if he did see the fight he definately doesn't feel threatened by toney.

I, the "talking turd", have freshened up many a room full of Euros.
A cat litter box would work as an air freshener in you & all of your kin's households.

..did you know, Jabby, that there are doctors in some third world countries that can perform a simple, inexpensive surgary to your lover spine, enabeling you to suck your own ass.. Think about it!

What the **** does that mean you jerk-off. I have seen many blacks after fights and there bruises have been visible right away, you realize how ****ing dumb you sound.


That means that black people when bruised dont show as easily as when whites are bruised. Its a fact JERK - OFF, not my opinion. Why dont you ask a black person if thats true of not. I too have seen balck people whith large bruises usually because the ounch lands right the bone, like right abouve they eye. Of course there will be swelling when you get hit there. To beleive your theory that James has no pwer because they guy wasnt bruised we would have to beleive that James hits only as hard as your or I and that would be rediculous. I know he sure as hell punches harder than me and if I punched someone in the face a hundred times there would be a bruise.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/mimarrs/rahman.jpg

Where is the VISIBLE BRUISING? There you go *******.

James Toney is a great boxer. The problem is his size, reach and power at Heavyweight. I'm not a Toney hater or Klitschko lover, but ol' VK would do a number on Toney. VK's reach and size would be too much for him to overcome.

Toney would defeat Brewster fairly easily on heart and determination alone. A fight with Byrd would be close, but I'm sure Byrd would win a decision. ( god I hope that fight doesn't happen..I'm falling asleep already)

I hope I'm wrong and Toney beats everyone, becuase he is certainly entertaining to watch and listen to.

question...who is the biggest moron? Kellerman or Tom Arnold?

Tom Arnold. Is that guy amped up or what? I bet hes doing coke again.

..did you know, Jabby, that there are doctors in some third world countries that can perform a simple, inexpensive surgary to your lover spine, enabeling you to suck your own ass.. Think about it!

Well, PanzyBoy....It's a good thing there's no third world doc necessary for you to s*ck one of your buddies' asses, now...huh ?
We know welfare's benefits wouldn't cover that type of procedure, so you are free to suck ! Enjoy.

toney won every round isn't that a blow out?

Here are the scorcards. I myself could have gone for 118-110 or 119-109. ~ Judge: Marty Denkin 110-117 | Judge: Frank Garza 107-120 | Judge: Barry Druxman 108-118 ~

..did you know, Jabby, that there are doctors in some third world countries that can perform a simple, inexpensive surgary to your lover spine, enabeling you to suck your own ass.. Think about it!

I'd rather suck my own ass than talk face to face with a European.
It's a fresh air, gag-reflex issue, Panzy.

if he did see the fight he definately doesn't feel threatened by toney.

he has to be worried, if toney's skill would be too much for him to handle. i noticed that people keep talking about toney not being able to take out booker. remember that VK couldn't finish LL, Sander,or Bryd and LL didn't even have a mark on his face, does that mean he has no power???

Here are the scorcards. I myself could have gone for 118-110 or 119-109. ~ Judge: Marty Denkin 110-117 | Judge: Frank Garza 107-120 | Judge: Barry Druxman 108-118 ~

I had it 119-108 only because I didnt give any 10-8 rounds. and I thought Booker did just enough to win the first round

Toney showed great performance. So what the hell do you mean? Toney made him look foolish in every single round, the kid was throwing like one or two punches.

Maybe you're right. I was too kind to Booker. He's probably closer to a D level fighter than C. I mean Kali Meehan is C and I'd put big money of Meehan to beat Booker. You simply can't claim some huge victory by easily beating a D level opponent when you are supposed to be an A level fighter. It would be like the Klitschko fans claiming that Wlad isn't ruined goods because he owned Fabio Moli. If a ruined Wlad can KO a C level fighter in less than 1 round, I'd expect something similar from Toney. Why do you think everyone on FSN was predicting Toney by KO? Well it was because anything less would not have looked that good for Toney.

he has to be worried, if toney's skill would be too much for him to handle. i noticed that people keep talking about toney not being able to take out booker. remember that VK couldn't finish LL, Sander,or Bryd and LL didn't even have a mark on his face, does that mean he has no power???

You and I are on the same page. This notion that because a person doesnt bruise their opponent, they have no power is lame. Thats a good point about VK and Lennox. Lennox had no bruises and is known to have a glass jaw and VK couldnt finish him. I guess VK has no power. What cracks me up is this bull**** that Toney has no power because he didnt KO Booker. First of all, he TKOed his ass a couple times in the fight. Second of all, NO ONE has KOed Booker! How can you say Toney has no power because he didnt do it when no one has been able to do it. Dumb ass argument.

You and I are on the same page. This notion that because a person doesnt bruise their opponent, they have no power is lame. Thats a good point about VK and Lennox. Lennox had no bruises and is known to have a glass jaw and VK couldnt finish him. I guess VK has no power. What cracks me up is this bull**** that Toney has no power because he didnt KO Booker. First of all, he TKOed his ass a couple times in the fight. Second of all, NO ONE has KOed Booker! How can you say Toney has no power because he didnt do it when no one has been able to do it. Dumb ass argument.

I'm not saying he has no power at all; Booker has tremendous heart too, which does complicate thing's. I just thought he had the poor guy hurt badly so many times, and after watching round after round of it, I just kinda expect the KO to come in somewhere, you know? Just to keep with the natural flow of thing's I suppose :D

I am sure Toney does have power. It will be an interesting fight if Vitali and Toney fight each other next year. It could be very interesting.

I'm not saying he has no power at all; Booker has tremendous heart too, which does complicate thing's. I just thought he had the poor guy hurt badly so many times, and after watching round after round of it, I just kinda expect the KO to come in somewhere, you know? Just to keep with the natural flow of thing's I suppose :D

I wasnt really even directing that towards you.

Agree with what you say above 100% I was expectiong a KO too since Booker was taking such a beating. But, the guy doesnt know how to loose yet, so it was hard for him to go down. Didnt it look like the Ref could have stopped the fight a couple times? If he would have like IMO he should have, James would have won by TKO.

I wasnt really even directing that towards you.

Agree with what you say above 100% I was expectiong a KO too since Booker was taking such a beating. But, the guy doesnt know how to loose yet, so it was hard for him to go down. Didnt it look like the Ref could have stopped the fight a couple times? If he would have like IMO he should have, James would have won by TKO.

There were several times when the ref. could have jumped in and stopped it without getting "booed" to much, but the corner is the one I am holding responsible if only cause he's so young with his entire career ahead of him ,and he kept looking over at them with that "save me" look in his eye's...but naturally when they asked him in between round's if he wanted to continue he said yes; like any man would. It was a no win situation when the ref. and the corner have no problem watching a young fighter take a beating.

There were several times when the ref. could have jumped in and stopped it without getting "booed" to much, but the corner is the one I am holding responsible if only cause he's so young with his entire career ahead of him ,and he kept looking over at them with that "save me" look in his eye's...but naturally when they asked him in between round's if he wanted to continue he said yes; like any man would. It was a no win situation when the ref. and the corner have no problem watching a young fighter take a beating.

I agree the fight should have been stopped. The corner should have thrown in the towel. They were just standing there watching thier fighter get beaten to a pulp. It was really sad. My girlfriend who doesnt like boxing was watching it with me and she started crying because Booker was getting beaten so bad. That fight didnt help me make her a fan, thats for sure.

This was the payoff for the entire "Fight Week" on Fox Sports Net. Hasim Rahman fought 3 tune-up fights after his losing streak that only one or two made it onto Ballroom Boxing on repeats.

Riddick Bowe's fight Saturday is not televised.

James Toney hyped this all week like it was a real event and in the end it wasn't. He deserves a little razzing for not putting on a good show. After the first round, it was like "Toney's gonna win" Then after 3 or 4 it was "He can get him out of him at any time" Then after 5 or 6 it was "God, this opponent is terrible" Then 7-12 it was "Maybe I can find something interesting to do, like clean the dirt out from underneath my fingernails or go pluck some nosehairs."

Then comes all the fanfare with the bogus belts and him getting rowdy with Chris Byrd and then acting like a thug amongst the fans in the ballroom.

James Toney wishes he was Mike Tyson. All the hype. All the "he's crazy". Even all the "He's a trainwreck."

But Mr. Toney, I used to watch Tyson. Tyson was a crazy man. Tyson was a ferocious fighter. Tyson was a true badass. And you, Mr. Toney. You are no Tyson. You are a fat middleweight who should have already retired. If the early to mid 1990s crop of heavyweights - Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, Lewis, Moorer, Tua - were the current bunch, you would NOT be a heavyweight. You would be retired, because you couldn't make weight against anyone with a name that you could actually beat.

WTF is up with all the Toney bashing? What did he do last night that was so wrong? All he did was go out and win his comeback fight and a buch of people are calling him names and acting like hes a bad fighter. ****, get a life people.

I agree the fight should have been stopped. The corner should have thrown in the towel. They were just standing there watching thier fighter get beaten to a pulp. It was really sad. My girlfriend who doesnt like boxing was watching it with me and she started crying because Booker was getting beaten so bad. That fight didnt help me make her a fan, thats for sure.

That's enough to turn anybody off of the sport, let alone a female who doesnt watch on a regular basis.

You and I are on the same page. This notion that because a person doesnt bruise their opponent, they have no power is lame. Thats a good point about VK and Lennox. Lennox had no bruises and is known to have a glass jaw and VK couldnt finish him. I guess VK has no power. What cracks me up is this bull**** that Toney has no power because he didnt KO Booker. First of all, he TKOed his ass a couple times in the fight. Second of all, NO ONE has KOed Booker! How can you say Toney has no power because he didnt do it when no one has been able to do it. Dumb ass argument.

Its actually quite a logical argument. Booker has fought no one who should have KO'd him. Second Lewis does not have a glass chin. Getting KO'd twice in your career does not = having a glass chin. Glass chin = Michael Grant.

WTF is up with all the Toney bashing? What did he do last night that was so wrong? All he did was go out and win his comeback fight and a buch of people are calling him names and acting like hes a bad fighter. ****, get a life people.

I'm sorry man but the # 1 WBC contender should handle a C/D level opponent better.

I'd rather suck my own ass than talk face to face with a European.
It's a fresh air, gag-reflex issue, Panzy.

There you go! Good on you, buddy.

Its actually quite a logical argument. Booker has fought no one who should have KO'd him. Second Lewis does not have a glass chin. Getting KO'd twice in your career does not = having a glass chin. Glass chin = Michael Grant.

Also glass chin = Wlad

Luis got KOed 2 times from 1 punch KO's. His chin may not be as glass as some others but the dude can get Koed at any time when he fights.

It is actually quite an illogical argument to say Toney has no power because he didnt knock out Booker. How can you say that he never fought someone who should have knocked him out? How do you know how hard everyone punches and what punches everyone can take? If no one has ever KOed Booker, you cannot say wether or not he is an easy person to KO. Simple as that. If no one else has done it, you cant take anything away from James for not being able to do it either.

James KOed Holyfield and didnt KO Booker. Does that mean that Booker has a better chin. I think it might. Does it mean that Booker has a good chin? I think so.

I'm sorry man but the # 1 WBC contender should handle a C/D level opponent better.

The guy wasnt a complete bum, and what do you mean "handle better" Is pure destruction throughout 12 rounds not good enough for you or something? The guy had a good chin and was never KOed cold. That says a lot for his chin. James Toney destroyed that guy. How could he have possibly handled him better?

Admit it, your just a hater.

If Toney fans feel their fighter did very good yesterday, then they should feel good, and feel content. They then have a very good fighter.

Who has Booker faced who should have KO'd him? Booker's opponents not counting Toney have a dismal 19-77-2 in their previous 6 fights before fighting him. Do I need to repeat that? I will anyways. 19-77-2. If Booker were not a C/D level fighter he should be walking through his opponents with ease and SD them like he did with his previous opponent who is 13-9. Losing 1 or 2 rounds to a C/D level fighter is not very good.

Who has Booker faced who should have KO'd him? Booker's opponents not counting Toney have a dismal 19-77-2 in their previous 6 fights before fighting him. Do I need to repeat that? I will anyways. 19-77-2. If Booker were not a C/D level fighter he should be walking through his opponents with ease and SD them like he did with his previous opponent who is 13-9. Losing 1 or 2 rounds to a C/D level fighter is not very good.

Toney didn't show anything, only that he knows how to pick opponents. This Rydell Booker should never be fighting on TV, anywhere. I can't believe he found 22 guys to beat.

Well - actually I can.

His last opponent, the one that "earned" him the IBA title fight was a split decision over a 13-7 Tipton Walker.

He also won a unanimous decision over John Basil Jackson who came in at 4-57-2.

He also won a unanimous decision over Donnie Penelton, who entered the fight at 13-138-4. I'm not joking. Penelton is still active, having lost one week ago to Mike Wood, who KO'd him, bringing his record to 13-158-5. He DOES have 5 KOs.

This Booker is the guy Tyson should have made his comeback against.

Let’s not forget Roy Bedwell, who fought Booker with a record of 15-67-1. He makes Anthony Prince (2-6) look like a good opponent. At least he knocked these guys out.

I wonder what people would say if Vitali fought Booker and had the same performance like Toney, winning in a decision. I wonder if people would say Vitali is doing well.

I wonder what people would say if Vitali fought Booker and had the same performance like Toney, winning in a decision. I wonder if people would say Vitali is doing well.

Vitali has only won 1 decision in his life. Vitali would have KO'd Booker within 3 rounds.

I wonder what people would say if Vitali fought Booker and had the same performance like Toney, winning in a decision. I wonder if people would say Vitali is doing well.

All these people just hate Toney and would never give him credit no matter what he does.

Who has Booker faced who should have KO'd him? Booker's opponents not counting Toney have a dismal 19-77-2 in their previous 6 fights before fighting him. Do I need to repeat that? I will anyways. 19-77-2. If Booker were not a C/D level fighter he should be walking through his opponents with ease and SD them like he did with his previous opponent who is 13-9. Losing 1 or 2 rounds to a C/D level fighter is not very good.

What does this have to do with if they should have KOed him or not? How do you know how hard these guys punch. For what you think of Booker, he should be one of those guys, so that contridicts your whole argument. You think of him as a C/D fighter like the people he has beaten. Face it, Booker has a good chin and isn;t an easy guy to KO.

Do you think Wlad would have gone down from James' punches last night?

All these people just hate Toney and would never give him credit no matter what he does.

Yesterdays fight was the first time I had ever seen Toney before. I had never seen him before, only heard of him. I did not watch the fight alone, I watched it with other people. One of the people said Toney reminded them of Frazier. I have heard of Frazier, and I know he was good. Do you think Toney is like Frazier?

Yesterdays fight was the first time I had ever seen Toney before. I had never seen him before, only heard of him. I did not watch the fight alone, I watched it with other people. One of the people said Toney reminded them of Frazier. I have heard of Frazier, and I know he was good. Do you think Toney is like Frazier?

Frazeir had more power than Toney. Its funny they said that because Toney played Frazier in the movie "Ali" starring Will Smith.

Wow! I will tell them that Toney played Frazier in the movie.

What does this have to do with if they should have KOed him or not? How do you know how hard these guys punch. For what you think of Booker, he should be one of those guys, so that contridicts your whole argument. You think of him as a C/D fighter like the people he has beaten. Face it, Booker has a good chin and isn;t an easy guy to KO.

Do you think Wlad would have gone down from James' punches last night?

Ok so Booker is a C level fighter, who is beating D and F level fighters. D and F level fighters don't KO C level fighters. Have you ever seen a D/F level fighter fight? No one is saying that Booker has a bad chin. He just clearly is no where near a fighter like Brewster in the chin department. Wlad would have KO'd Booker in at most 2. I'd put a lot of money on a KO in 1. Toney would be a perfect matchup for Wlad. It would be Byrd all over a again. A little opponent with a decent chin, who has good boxing skills, and little punching power.

Ok so Booker is a C level fighter, who is beating D and F level fighters. D and F level fighters don't KO C level fighters. Have you ever seen a D/F level fighter fight? No one is saying that Booker has a bad chin. He just clearly is no where near a fighter like Brewster in the chin department. Wlad would have KO'd Booker in at most 2. I'd put a lot of money on a KO in 1. Toney would be a perfect matchup for Wlad. It would be Byrd all over a again. A little opponent with a decent chin, who has good boxing skills, and little punching power.

You need to get over your little letter grading system guy lol. :) All that stuff your saying doesnt mean ****.

Sometimes good fighters get KOed by lesser fighters. Ask Roy Jones. If Booker is so bad, he would have been KOed or at least lost in one of his 22 fights. I doubt Booker would get KOed by Wlad in 2. I find that to be a hopful statement from a Wlad fan. I would actually bet that Booker would beat Wlad if they ever were to fight. Booker has a better chin than Wlad and Wlad has been KOed by punches less powerful that Bookers. Toney would destroy Wlad, hands down. And if you dont know that, I am convinced you are on crack or dont know **** about boxing. I already think your crazy. :rolleyes:

You need to get over your little letter grading system guy lol. :) All that stuff your saying doesnt mean ****.

Sometimes good fighters get KOed by lesser fighters. Ask Roy Jones. If Booker is so bad, he would have been KOed or at least lost in one of his 22 fights. I doubt Booker would get KOed by Wlad in 2. I find that to be a hopful statement from a Wlad fan. I would actually bet that Booker would beat Wlad if they ever were to fight. Booker has a better chin than Wlad and Wlad has been KOed by punches less powerful that Bookers. Toney would destroy Wlad, hands down. And if you dont know that, I am convinced you are on crack or dont know **** about boxing. I already think your crazy. :rolleyes:

Roy Jones lost to Tarver who is a good fighter with a strong punch. How can you be comparing Tarver to the people that Booker has faced? TheGreat1 is not going to like this at all. Why are we talking about Wlad in a thread about Toney? Wlad has lost once due to a boxers punching power to Sanders. Sanders is one of the hardest hitting southpaws ever. If you had seen Purrity v. Wlad and Brewster v. Wlad you would realize that his stamina was the issue. Either way he didn't go down from a punch in either of those two fights. Toney has a better chance of beating Vitali than Wlad. Apparently you missed Vitali and Wlad v. Byrd. Wow Wlad has been KO'd by punches less powerful than Bookers? Are you trying to lose all credibility here? Worst post ever.

Roy Jones lost to Tarver who is a good fighter with a strong punch. How can you be comparing Tarver to the people that Booker has faced? TheGreat1 is not going to like this at all. Why are we talking about Wlad in a thread about Toney? Wlad has lost once due to a boxers punching power to Sanders. Sanders is one of the hardest hitting southpaws ever. If you had seen Purrity v. Wlad and Brewster v. Wlad you would realize that his stamina was the issue. Either way he didn't go down from a punch in either of those two fights. Toney has a better chance of beating Vitali than Wlad. Apparently you missed Vitali and Wlad v. Byrd. Wow Wlad has been KO'd by punches less powerful than Bookers? Are you trying to lose all credibility here? Worst post ever.

You dont understand **** and Im getting tired of explaining things to you. Im comparing the difference of skill between Booker and his opponents and the skill of Tarver vs Jones, respectively. Im not comaparing the skill of Booker to the skill of Tarver or Jones. Im saying the skill level difference between 2 fighters is somewhat comparable. The point was sometimes guys get KOed by lesser men. Thats it. Its a fact.

Wlad back peddled from a ****ing jab from Brewster so dont give me this stamina ****. Wlad is a ***** and thats all there is to the Wlad argument. You are sounding like a Wlad loving dumbass now. James Toney would destroy Wlad and end his career if its not already over. If you think Wlad could beat Toney you are a straight up Wlad nuthugger as they like to say on this site.

Remember, this discussion started because you thought that Toney was weak beacause he didnt KO Booker. I countered your argument by saying that no one has KOed Booker so why how can you hate on Toney for not doing it either? You dont know how easy a guy he is to KO because no one has ever done it. You then said Toney didnt do enough against a low ranked fighter. Then I asked you what more could he have done? I guess total domination for 12 rds isnt good enough for you. You are the one making asinine arguments around here man. I'm just trying to verbally slap some sense into you.

WORST POST EVER. **** you dumbass. :rolleyes:

Wow! You must be a very big fan of James Toney. Well best of luck for you and your favorite fighter.

Vitali would have KO'd Booker.

Vitali would have KO'd Booker.

you may be right, but that doesn't mean he can handle toney. it means nothing.

yall wanna hear da sadest thing in the world..........tyson is still the best heavyweight... and he will be champ ... you cant say what you want but as slow as tyson is noone hits as fast and as hard..and all he has to do is work on technique... this aint goerge foreman... this aint a maybe.. tyson will be champ again.. he is bigger then ever and is in great shape still.. even wit the knee.. tyson is serious he has no choice.. and that aint even whats dangerous...whats dangerous is he wants it again

toney had to take 12 rounds with this no name??? comon james. i want a rematch with jirov, i think jirov would beat toney at HW. toney better fight a contendor next not some old holyfield or sum young no name.

toney had to take 12 rounds with this no name??? comon james. i want a rematch with jirov, i think jirov would beat toney at HW. toney better fight a contendor next not some old holyfield or sum young no name.
yea i wanna see jirov fight period

You dont understand **** and Im getting tired of explaining things to you. Im comparing the difference of skill between Booker and his opponents and the skill of Tarver vs Jones, respectively. Im not comaparing the skill of Booker to the skill of Tarver or Jones. Im saying the skill level difference between 2 fighters is somewhat comparable. The point was sometimes guys get KOed by lesser men. Thats it. Its a fact.

Wlad back peddled from a ****ing jab from Brewster so dont give me this stamina ****. Wlad is a ***** and thats all there is to the Wlad argument. You are sounding like a Wlad loving dumbass now. James Toney would destroy Wlad and end his career if its not already over. If you think Wlad could beat Toney you are a straight up Wlad nuthugger as they like to say on this site.

Remember, this discussion started because you thought that Toney was weak beacause he didnt KO Booker. I countered your argument by saying that no one has KOed Booker so why how can you hate on Toney for not doing it either? You dont know how easy a guy he is to KO because no one has ever done it. You then said Toney didnt do enough against a low ranked fighter. Then I asked you what more could he have done? I guess total domination for 12 rds isnt good enough for you. You are the one making asinine arguments around here man. I'm just trying to verbally slap some sense into you.

WORST POST EVER. **** you dumbass. :rolleyes:

What are you talking about? You went from bad to worse. How is the skill difference between Jones and Tarver the same as it is between Booker and his opponents? Tarver like Jones is an A level fighter. They both are top 10 fighters at their weight class. Booker's opponents have been D and F level fighters (see rankings below) while Booker is a C level fighter. For this analogy to be correct Tarver would have to be a fighter who isn't even in the top 20. Where is TheGreat1 when you need him.

Wlad got hit by a straight left. There is a difference between a straight left and a jab. Even you should know this. Are you really this dumb?

Now you are comparing Toney to D and F level fighters. That is just shameful. Booker's last 5 opponents that are even ranked have world rankings of 427, 535, 87, 573, and 680. I must ask this question. Are you even a Toney fan? How can you keep bashing him like this if you are?

Toney could not KO Jirov, with several clean, hard shots and was hurt by him a couple of times in the fight. He was hit way too much by Booker, and despite hitting him with almost everything he threw, couldn't KO Booker either. First, how can he hurt VK enough to keep VK from hitting him, and withstand VK's shots?

Wlad was hit with a short hook, it looked like a jab because it never got a chance to run its route.

He can't that's why its just a big payday for Toney. I would imagine that Toney would create a huge amount of press for the fight with his antics, and it will probably sell really well.

I agree, IMO it probably would sell well, and wi the hook post I meant Wlad against Brewster.

Ok it may have been a hook or a straight left but it wasn't a jab. If your right foot is in front of your left foot, you are in the southpaw stance, so a punch with your left cannot possibly be a jab.

yup yup yuup

I saw the fight.
The fight was boring, annoying, disappointing, and fustrating.
Nothing great about that fight.
Booker is a nobody who was undefeated in 22 fights because he fought nothing but bums with huge loss records.

If Toney was anywhere near as great as you people claim he is, he should have put this fat, powerless, hugging piece of **** Booker away in the 2nd round.
It went 12 sleep-inducing rounds.
He finally got Booker to go to one knee in the 9th round I think.
So after that I expected Toney to take out Booker.
But no, he still couldn't get him.
Both fighters had no power whatsoever.
Fights like these are the reason why I cannot stand the HW division.

So tell me why you think Toney is great for going 12 uneventful rounds with a fat, weak, no skills having nobody?

Toney actually tore his tricep muscles in the first round or he definitely would have stopped Booker early. During Toney's recovery after snapping his achilles tendon while preparing for McCline, he went on a weights program and all he was doing was upper body weights. He came in massive for Booker fight and due to overtraining upper body, both triceps went early.

Toney actually tore his tricep muscles in the first round or he definitely would have stopped Booker early. During Toney's recovery after snapping his achilles tendon while preparing for McCline, he went on a weights program and all he was doing was upper body weights. He came in massive for Booker fight and due to overtraining upper body, both triceps went early.

You do realize your responding to a post that was made in 2004 right?

Toney is the best because everyone else sucks but Klitchsko...

oh wait that makes him the second doesn't it.

yup yup yuup

Why the hell did you bump a dumb thread from 2004??

Wow! You must be a very big fan of James Toney. Well best of luck for you and your favorite fighter.



Look, its me. I used to come here before. I forgot so much about these posters. I did not agree with thegreat1, but he was kind to me.

Look, its me. I used to come here before. I forgot so much about these posters. I did not agree with thegreat1, but he was kind to me.

i havent seen most of these people in ages, I dont remember dr cynical ever coming back to NSB.