I though the trilogy was awesome, yet I am still missing a few pieces of the puzzle.

Let’s use this thread to decipher the Matrix and piece everything together.

I haven't seen Revolutions yet. So I can't talk if there are spoilers... :(

- J.

Don't read anymore posts until you've seen it. Go see it NOW!!!

I never understood how in **** they **** REALLY hard and fast. I have yet to see a nice slow and sensual ****, make it more realistic you know? Like I've ****ed girls all hard like that b4, but the majority of the time we're ****ing normal and actually enjoying ourselves.

Don't change the topic dick.....

dick.....


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Well you don't like the Matrix Mouse, so I'll wait till someone else who does gets here. Tanner, Magic Man, Mr. Beelzebub, and anyone else who saw the trilogy post your opinions about what you think it all meant. I still need a little clarification on a few things.

Someone told me today that "The One" was infact a piece of code inserted into a human by the architect. Ergo, to keep the cycle going. The code was inserted into Mr. Anderson when he was a child ergo(I love this word) giving him the personality and abilities of the One.

Discuss.......

Why do they use guns against the computer if nothing is real in the matrix?

Was there any meaning to Smith calling the Oracle mom?

There's too many contradictions in this movie to take it seriously like this. Can't belive the Matrix would spawn Star-Trek like groupies. ...but the whole gun, shooting, and fighting thing really blows my mind. I thought nothing was real? So the bullets shouldn't hurt the computer or even touch him. Crap. The whole trilogy is Crapolla.

Then go talk about something else and leave my thread....

You can't answer my question can you? lol

The Ending Explained:

Just in case anyone didn't understand the ending to Revolutions here's an explanation. First of all remember the Oracle's explanation for Neo's real world powers. They come from the source (the machine mainframe) so he has a connection to the machines. Now when someone is taken over by Smith they are still alive inside of him. This was shown when the Smith that used to be Sati said "all things need love" (I don't remember the exact wording) And Neo realized this in the crater when the Smith that was once the Oracle said "Every beginning has an end". That was the Oracle giving Neo a message. So Neo willingly lets himself be taken over by Smith (the same way the Oracle did). Then from inside Smith Neo drew all the power he could from the source to destroy Smith. So with Smith gone the Matrix reloaded (into a much happier version which even has a blue sky) Now this had the same effect on Neo as when he stopped the sentinals at the end of Reloaded. Neo's body and mind were seperated. But when they hauled off Neo's body it was glowing with that orange maachine aura. This means he is still alive. Oh, and I loved the way his arms were out like Jesus on the cross, also the cross that appeared on his chest when he drew the power from the source. Well, that pretty much sums it up. I hope this helped anyone who needed some clarity on the ending.

The matrix is full of platonic and christian symbolisms and references...Read the Allegory of the Cave, god damn it. (Google)

So why must physical guns and fighting be used in a world that doesn't even really exists? Isn't this a contradiction?

Interview with the Machowski Bro's

Found this at http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/story/0,4567,99020,00.html.

If it has been posted before...then feel free to delete or lock or whatever. Its kind of quirky, these brothers are very sarcastic. They are definately aware of the issues raised by fans.

The Matrix unravelled
But no matter, the audience will still be frustratedby the mumbo jumbo inMatrix Revolutions

By JAIME EE


A DAY in the Matrix with the Wachowski brothers:



Over-stretched: Matrix Revolutions suffers from too many ideas and not enough substance
Larry: 'Hey Andy, which door you wanna go through today?'

Andy: 'Who cares! Whichever doesn't have any reporters behind it!'

Larry: 'We haven't given interviews to the press since The Matrix, man. There are people wondering what the hell Reloaded was all about, and now that Revolutions is out, people are getting mighty frustrated. Shouldn't we be out there trying to explain our vision?'

Andy: 'There is no spoon.'

Larry: 'Don't get all Simulacra and Simulation with me, bro. Or I'll get Merovingian on your sorry little a...'

Andy: 'What do you want us to say to them? Oops, sorry, we had a real cool vision with Keanu in those shades doing all that kung fu, and it made more money than we ever dreamed off so we cooked up another two sequels - because they paid us to - but also we wanted to see what Zion would look like outside our own heads? But, like, we didn't really have a story but we really like white rabbits and mystical mumbo jumbo, and that rave party in Reloaded was inspired by that lifestyle drug-infested birthday party you had in your house?'





Larry: 'You leave my party out of it, you, you corporeal sentinel! What about you? The Architect was your idea - what's with the mother and father of the matrix thing, man? Like, mother and father spawn naughty little offspring programmes like Merovingians and dread-locked twins and yeah, that big mother of all dead spawn, Agent Smith?'

Andy: 'I spent months on the Architect's speech! You think it's easy coming up with lines like, 'you are the eventuality of an anomaly?' But it worked, didn't it? It got people's brains spinning, thinking it was the words of a new age messiah, a cyber evolution of spirituality never before experienced in an otherwise conventional environment!'

Larry: 'Huh?'

Andy: 'You got it, baby. The hook of the Matrix. He who psycho-babbles the most gets to lead the tribe of the uninitiated. The virgin ears of the spiritually empty, looking for meaning in a technology-encompassed void. He who can stretch incoherence over two movies rules the box office.'

Larry: 'Well, someone should tell Quentin Tarantino that stretching one stupid movie like Kill Bill into two just makes it two stupid movies.'

Andy: 'Still, there are regrets, Larry.'

Larry: 'Yup. The Matrix was the One, bro. It was The Concept. It shoulda ended there. Instead, we strung it along far longer than it was worth. We threw in too many people. By the time we came to Revolutions there was nothing for Morpheus to do but ride pillion with Jada Pinkett Smith blasting her little ship into the depths of Zion to blast them metal-sucking sentinels into oblivion. And what about Neo and Trinity? Trinity reduced to whimpering girly girl, being the strong female support to her hero Neo, her only important speech in the entire movie devoted to telling him how much she loves him.'

Andy: 'Neo did get to do some major fighting stuff, though, when he wasn't busy putting up his hands to stop sentinels and inconveniently lapsing into comas.'

Larry: 'Man, I loved those rain-fighting scenes, don't you? And what about those major fight scenes between the Zion rebels and the streams of bug-like clouds of sentinels? And those giant walking metal things that they used to shoot them down?'

Andy: 'You forgot something, though. You made those walking tank things so spectacular, but you didn't give those soldiers protective armour to wear, you dolt. '

Larry: 'Do you think we're a couple of fakes, Andy? Making out as if we're some kind of cool spirit dudes, that we just formed a new religion, when we're actually a couple of disorganised minds with too many ideas and not enough substance to base them on?'

Andy: 'Well, we believe in one thing, don't we? Giving the audience what it wants? Or at least a great video game? They wanted the mystery solved. We solved it for them - ok we are never gonna be the cyber equivalent of Lord of the Rings but when it comes to blockbuster action, we cornered the market, man. We took shortcuts, we mumbo-jumboed our way through the many gaps in the movies' logic, but heck, we gave our fans closure, and that's what Revolutions is all about.'

Larry: 'Yup, doesn't matter how you do it, as long as you solve the mystery for them. What does that remind you of?'

Andy: 'The Matrix. Everybody wants an answer. Regardless of how ridiculous it is.'

Another Theory:

I gather that most people know what "The Matrix" was about, etc... So I'll start my explanation for the end of Reloaded.

When Neo meets the Architect, the Architect explains the necessity for balance inside and outside of The Matrix.

The Matrix wont work if the humans do not have a subconscious "choice" of leaving The Matrix. Thus the need for Zion. However, when Zion gets too big, they begin fighting back in order to destroy The Matrix.

This explains why Neo is the sixth "The One" and Zion has been destroyed and rebuilt five times before... Also leading to the conclusion that The Matrix has been reset five times.

Now, in order to ensure The Matrix is reset again, Neo has to visit the source... But he chooses not to and leaves The Matrix with Trinity after he saves her from death.

However, cast your memory back to earlier in the film when The Merovingian explains the "orgasm cake" with much detail and then denies them access to the Keymaker, however, Persephone eludes said Merovingian and demands a kiss from Neo in order to take him to the Keymaker... Back to this later...

Now we're in Revolutions... Neo is still in his coma from Reloaded.

Everyone pays a visit to the Oracle, who, in the meantime was killed/deleted by the Merovingian for pointing The One and his posse towards him in order to get the Keymaker. Thus her program went back to the source and was upgraded (for more explanation see Reloaded in the scene where Neo speaks to the Oracle before the burly brawl).

They are again pointed to visit the Merovingian who has Neo at "Mobil Ave". Many people ask "How did Neo get there?" Persephone asks Trinity "Do you know how it happened?". In Reloaded, before Persephone demands her kiss, she loads up on lipstick... Is the lipstick symbolic of the "orgasm cake", except that instead of blowing his load, Neo's mind is doubled up temporarily after he exits the Matrix (before he goes into his coma) and his mind is kept in holding at Mobil Ave until he's plugged in and exits properly again?

So they save Neo from Mobil Ave... And we visit the Oracle again. She explains to Neo that Agent Smith is his opposite... The system comprimising in order to make a balanced equation "I want exactly what you want, Mr. Anderson" based on the Architect's basic rules in order for The Matrix to function correctly.

Everyone goes back to the real world and fights the sentinals. Meanwhile, Agent Smith goes about copying himself over everyone, including the Oracle. Smith becomes frightened of himself when he does this, as he seems to be taking small characteristics of each person and program he takes over.

Neo goes to the machine city and approaches what can only be assumed as the "mainframe". He explains the situation and is connected to The Matrix to fight Smith one last time.

"I've seen it, that's why the rest of me is just going to enjoy the show, because we already know that I'm the one that beats you"

The fight ends in the crater when Neo is lying there in the mud, and Smith slips up "Everything that has a beginning, has an end, Neo". "Get away from me! It's a trick!".

Neo realises it "is inevitable" (also remembering the equation/equal thing from the Oracle) and leaves himself open to being copied over by Smith. "Is it over?"

Smith has now unbalanced the equation, also sending Neo back to the source... "Allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program"...

Hence, having set The Matrix completely out of balance, there is no purpose for Smith... Ending in his removal from the system while The Matrix is reset.

Smith having copied himself over everyone also took the human equation out of the loop while The Matrix was reset and the system returned to normal.

After that, I think the movie pretty much explains itself.

The only thing my theory doesn't explain in depth is how Neo can connect to the machines... Perhaps the "lipstick program" that sent him to Mobil Ave while he was unplugged gave him a remaining connection to the rest of the machine world through The Matrix... Allowing him to see without seeing?

Tell me what you think?

I did notice how the Wachowski's brought back the Christian parallels that were so prevalent in the original Matrix. They were somewhat abandoned, or at least less noticable in Reloaded, but some of the ones that I caught here in Revolutions were...

Christ : Was both God and man.
Neo : Was both machine and man (after touching the source)

Christ : Served as a liason between man and God The Father
Neo : Served as a liason between man and the machine god

Christ : Died on the cross.
Neo : Spreads out into a cross position before he dies.

Christ : (In the gospel of John) Said "It is finished." as he died
Dues Ex Machina : Said "It is done." as Neo died

Christ : Had to take on the sin of the world while on the cross, actually becoming sin in order to overcome it and provide salvation for man.

Neo : Had to become Smith in order to overcome him and provide salvation for man.

Christ : Promised that he would one day return.
Oracle : Expects Neo to one day return.

1. Neo was not only spread out like a cross when he died...he also
had light in the shape of a cross emitting from his chest.

2. And with the power cords hanging off of him he looked like a
Phoenix bird, which is known to burst into flames and be born
again from the ashes.

3. The guy at the very beginning of M1 says "You're my savior man.
My own personal Jesus Christ."

4. I think Merovingian represents Satan. He is obviously someone
very powerful who use to a great purpose but was cast to live in
the matrix forever. He lives for the 'sins' of the world, has a
Club 'Hell', and a wife named Persephone who just happens to be
the chicks name in methology that was the wife of Hades
(something like that). And he collects rogue program to be his
minions.

I think the people that wrote this movie weren't expecting people to analize it this much. That's why people like me who look at, and analyze the BLATANTLY OBVIOUS contradictions to the movie get frustrated with it. The writers of this ****ed up and twisty trilogy weren't piecing it all together correctly nor were putting too much time into detail to the story or even asking themselves questions to what the viewer might depict.

They confuse reality with unreality, physical with mental, and all too often put peices in the wrong sequences thus making the dinamics of the story a complete flop. There are way too many questions that can't be answered because the answers would show how the writers ****ed up, and would prove the movies to be nothing more than a simple action-drama for dumb-**** high school and middle school kids who's brains aren't completely developed yet.

Thanks Tanner....as you may have guessed, I'm far to busy/lazy to analyze it in this depth myself.

Kaps, did you see it yet?

No, not yet. Was thinking of catching it early sunday to waste time before the GP......

I thought the mech scene was bad ass....Enjoy...

Mouse, obviously with all of these parallels someone thought about it. There are clear connections between theories...ones that are too solid to ignore and push off as anything other than a well thought out plot. I think it's "BLATANTLY OBVIOUS" as you put it, that such theories were intentional...contrary to what you're saying.

Anyway, good stuff Tanner. I loved the trilogy.

TTT for Blue. Maybe this will help. Read Tanner's posts..........

Sort of. i still think there are too many holes.

I think those ****ers left so many questions unanswered on purpose. I won't be surprised if this whole Matrix **** becomes a comic book or some animatrix series.

Bub, list some unanswered questions you have........

Ok, What was the purpose of saying during Reloaded that the French ******* (I ****ing hate french people) was "like Neo" before if they didn't do anything with it, nor explained it in Revolutions.

Maybe he was one of the previous Ones...........

Oh yeah, I didn't say "I" have questions; "they" left many holes on purpose.

Originally posted by Nuno
Maybe he was one of the previous Ones...........

You don't understand my point. what I am trying to say is why would they waste a part of the film setting up some kind of connection between Neo and the French ****er, if they ended up not doing anything with it at all. It's marketing I'm telling you; watch out for the new Animatrix and Enter the Matrix 2.

Originally posted by Mr. Beelzebub
Oh yeah, I didn't say "I" have questions; "they" left many holes on purpose.

I know, what I meant is you should mention these holes so we can discuss them and try to figure them out. Your way better than me at noticing these holes. I just got the jist of it and enjoyed it.

Originally posted by Nuno
Was there any meaning to Smith calling the Oracle mom?

The Architect in Reloaded referred to himself as the father of the Matrix and if you remember, he referred to The Oracle "she would undoubtedly be it's mother".

There's you explanation.

- J.

The only flaw in your explanation Tanner I find is the significance of the lipstick and Persephone's kiss. I don't think it was anything of the sort (ie. giving Neo code).

Continuing with the Christian metaphours, Neo's return to the machine world was symbolic of the prodigal son's return. This return gave him a chance to return to The Source (remember all those cables rising to support him). Effectively, he was just fulfilling his purpose (ie. "I know what I am supposed to do.")

- J.

Originally posted by Mr. Beelzebub
You don't understand my point. what I am trying to say is why would they waste a part of the film setting up some kind of connection between Neo and the French ****er, if they ended up not doing anything with it at all. It's marketing I'm telling you; watch out for the new Animatrix and Enter the Matrix 2.

He was just another character basically.

He served to point out that there are rogue programs in the system. The Oracle, The Architect, the Agents - they are a part of the system - the system of control. Some programs however are not. The Merovingian, Persephone, Agent Smith. It makes it a little less black and white who the bad guys are by introducing a shade of grey.

- J.

What I don't understand about The Oracle being considered the "mother of the Matrix" is that in the Architect's speech he says something about the mother of the Matrix and Neo says, "The Oracle" and the Architect responds quickly with, "Please" as if he were dismissing it.

I get all that, but i was thouroughly dissappointed in the last movie, it was just blah. Kill bill, now that is a good movie.

Kill Bill sucked even worse...I want my 9.50 back.

9.50...where in the **** did you go?

Originally posted by Fury Dragon
What I don't understand about The Oracle being considered the "mother of the Matrix" is that in the Architect's speech he says something about the mother of the Matrix and Neo says, "The Oracle" and the Architect responds quickly with, "Please" as if he were dismissing it.

This is reiterated again in Revolutions when Neo asks what is her role in the Matrix. It is pointed out that the Architect's role is to bring order, the Oracle's is to bring chaos.

You see, the Architect establishes the order of the Matrix. Yet there is a small percentage of people who refuse to accept the program. These people are the ones whose minds are set free, because they need choice. At the very least, the illusion of choice. They then, turn to the Oracle to help provide that.

Balance and counterbalance, you see.

- J.