We have all probably seen a relative or friend reaching the end of their days. It is never a good time to see a loved one slide down the path toward their death...but do we hold on too long?

I saw a friend of mines mother die when we were in school of terminal bowel cancer at age 39. Her last two months were real bad. She wasn't the same person, she basically lay in a pool of her own filth and had lost about half of her bodyweight. She didn't recognise anyone and was on so much morphine it was a joke. The family was in a bad way anywas, but after she died, the daughter resented seeinbg her mother like this and wished she had just died while still reasonably normal.

If a race horse breaks a leg, it is shot cause it is not of use anymore...are we so special that we deserve to be kept alive by whatever means for one more day of pain??

Are people too selfish to deal with their own pain of loss, so they keep alive a body that is really, already dead?

i think we do it out of selfishness because we want the person around as long as possible without even thinking whether the person is in pain or what not.As for over valuing it i don't think you can say you had a son or daughter and they were dying of something wouldn't you want them around a little longer to be with them? i know i would

I would want them around, but I would be more concerned with thier quality of life than my own tears...

well to each their own i guess i do see what your saying though i guess it's just the selfishness in us all that we do things like that

I hear ya Seldom.

Something similar happened to my grandfather. Accelerated aging. His wife died of lung cancer and they were literally two peas in a pod. When she died, he was never the same. He was in his early sixties when diagnosed with dementia and they said that physically/mentally he was that of an eighty year old.

He eventually had an accident and wound up with a perforated bowel and they could basically operate but he'd have to live with a colostromy bag. In his more lucid moments, my grandfather hated his condition and having dementia. I honestly think he wanted to kill himself. To be reduced to having a colostromy bag as well (and forgetting to take care of it) would have been too much. So his immediate family decided it was best that he should die. They basically doped him to the gills with morphine and he slept through the worst of it and died within two days.

It's a hard choice to make but they chose to let him die with what dignity he had despite his dementia.

Humans are at a point where we think we know better than God. I think there's a difference between ensuring your children have the best start in life (e.g. via. genetic screening, **** like that) but I have a big issue with sustaining a life that is not meant to live. I think it's cruel and defies nature.

That's not to say that we shouldn't do what we can to save a life, but only that it should not be sustained by artificial means. E.g. if a person cannot live without a respirator, then I consider that artificial.

- J.

It must have been a tough call for your family to make Jake, but I am sure they wouldn't have had it any other way in that instance.

I saw something on the news about a village in Nth Intaly that seems to have a gene that prevents cholestorol sticking to arteries and causing heart disease. There are talks of synthetically making this gene now and having it as a general mediaction for the rest of us...

DOes anyone really want to live forever?? And how about people being responsible for their own health...bad cholestorol?? eat less fatty food dumbass, don't rely on a pill to just ****en bail you out of it..

I don't want to live once I no longer enjoy life.....hmmm, wait a second. I haven't enjoyed life in like 4 years. I miss the ignorance of my youth.

Kill people before they get old. This has been discussed many times before on this forum. I clearly remember a discussion where I said I would shoot my dad at the age of 55 after giving him a 10 minutes sporting headstart.

the 10 minute start is a good idea...will he be equipped with camoflague equipment?

No. The headstart is sufficent. I just want to see how far I am accurate to with my rifle.

To answer the original question- yes, most definitely.

Anything over 800 yards is a bonus

Farthest I have had to hit anything is 450 yards. Dropped that deer in it's tracks so I am anxious to nail something farther.

yes, I personally am all for euthenasia.

Originally posted by Magic Man
yes, I personally am all for euthenasia.

in your case, I demand it

**** you - I had a view altering experience once :mad:

Sorry my friend...no offence intended...

yeah - my story is this:

I once ate a ****ed up tuna sandwhich, I had stomach cramps for 8 hours and vomited lots.

I would have chosen euthenasia if I could have.

I wish you had

I'd come back as a ghost and check your oil.

My bowels are eating themselves right now

Originally posted by seldomTap
It must have been a tough call for your family to make Jake, but I am sure they wouldn't have had it any other way in that instance.

It was the only choice to be made. If my grandfather had the frame of mind he would have done himself in I'm sure.


I saw something on the news about a village in Nth Intaly that seems to have a gene that prevents cholestorol sticking to arteries and causing heart disease. There are talks of synthetically making this gene now and having it as a general mediaction for the rest of us...

It's called the mediteranean diet. It's to do with the fact that they drink wine rich in anti oxidants and use olive oil in their cooking, etc. That's why greeks/italians have the lowest instances of cholesterol and heart disease in the world IIRC...


- J.

humans think human life is valuable cause they are humans

My grandmother became ill and just wasn't functioning. Her mind was still sharp as tack when she was awake but couldn't move on her own or anything. She refused to eat and was moved to a nursing home where she basically starved to death. Fortunately it was fairly quick, just a week. Our whole family has been the type to say if I can't have quality, I don't want quantity. My dad always preached it to me about himself so I know what he wants if ever in that position. It was still hard on him watching his mom die, but he knew it's what she wanted and I was honored to be there for him. We drove from here to Missouri to see her before she died. She took one look at us and gave us each a huge smile. That made the trip soooo worthwhile. I will never regret that trip no matter how long it was. We made it in 24 hours. It's not worth living if you are in a veggie state or close to it. Put me out of my misery please.

Yes, only if it has two boobs and money.

Originally posted by The Jake

It's called the mediteranean diet. It's to do with the fact that they drink wine rich in anti oxidants and use olive oil in their cooking, etc. That's why greeks/italians have the lowest instances of cholesterol and heart disease in the world IIRC...


- J.

The diet is also beneficial, but they have discovered an actual gene in only the inhabitants of a certian village that cleans arteries...we are breeding a mutant race