View Full Version : I'll be Sparring Cruiser Weight Wilfrtedo Camacho.... Question is....


DA1CATAS
10-28-2008, 10:49 AM
How Should I do against him. he's on box rec.

His record doesn't say much.. but he does have experience and been boxing alot longer than I.

Should I look to comepletely Dominate or something? Or should his experience still make him hard for me.

He started out a welter.. now he's Cruiser... and his last fight at Cruiser was a draw.

He's been KO'd once... and has lost 3 fights. with 3 draws and 2 wins.

How should a sparring match look between us two? He's definitely not welter or Cruiser anymore. He's about 220 he was telling me. He'll be my sparring before my fights on the 8,9th in the State P.A.L. tournament I won last year.

lemme know somethin guys. because I'm thinking I get schooled at the moment.

McAlister
10-28-2008, 11:29 AM
Hard for me to say, I never seen the guy fight... u should do g00d tho

Barndog
10-28-2008, 11:32 AM
WHATEVER YOU DO DA1CATAS.....


REFRAIN FROM KNOCKING HIM OUT. fdsfdffdsdfddsfsdfsd

Two Clips
10-28-2008, 11:46 AM
Just stick to your gameplan and do you...I'm sure you will do just fine. I have one question though; Why such a big dude?

mspiegelo
10-28-2008, 02:57 PM
How Should I do against him. he's on box rec.

His record doesn't say much.. but he does have experience and been boxing alot longer than I.

Should I look to comepletely Dominate or something? Or should his experience still make him hard for me.

He started out a welter.. now he's Cruiser... and his last fight at Cruiser was a draw.

He's been KO'd once... and has lost 3 fights. with 3 draws and 2 wins.

How should a sparring match look between us two? He's definitely not welter or Cruiser anymore. He's about 220 he was telling me. He'll be my sparring before my fights on the 8,9th in the State P.A.L. tournament I won last year.

lemme know somethin guys.

you should take him very, very seriously, whether his record suggests he is a beast or not. that way, there are no surprises and you aren't shocked.

as im sure you know from boxing/competing, there are often huge skills gaps (and more importantly, experience and gaps in intangebiles) between even novice and open amateur fighters, let alone amateurs and pros. its not uncommon for a novice golden gloves champion to have difficulty adjusting to open and losing his first couple of open fighters.

i saw a great open fighter in my gym dominate a sparring session with a pro with a 3-5 record and get too comfortable. since he had been so aggressive in his attack, the pro ceased his first opportunity to land something serious and put him on the floor with a body shot for about 30 seconds.

so don't go by his record. take this sparring match very seriously and have respect for a professional... good luck

msagrain
10-28-2008, 03:05 PM
Amatures can be a lot better than pros anyways.

Oriachim
10-28-2008, 03:16 PM
Just don't under-estimate him, take the first round to work him out, then work from there. Don't persume cause he was a bum in the pros, hes a crap sparring partner or he'll batter you.

sukhenkoy
10-28-2008, 03:29 PM
How Should I do against him. he's on box rec.

His record doesn't say much.. but he does have experience and been boxing alot longer than I.

Should I look to comepletely Dominate or something? Or should his experience still make him hard for me.

He started out a welter.. now he's Cruiser... and his last fight at Cruiser was a draw.

He's been KO'd once... and has lost 3 fights. with 3 draws and 2 wins.

How should a sparring match look between us two? He's definitely not welter or Cruiser anymore. He's about 220 he was telling me. He'll be my sparring before my fights on the 8,9th in the State P.A.L. tournament I won last year.

lemme know somethin guys.
da1,
you're making it sound as if though you're sure he's worse than you. Don't make too many predictions about the sparring: just go in there and try to learn something from the experience.

Domey
10-28-2008, 03:31 PM
It's sparring, why does it matter? Sparring is to go in there and get work, not have this big game plan to beat someone up.

Oriachim
10-28-2008, 03:39 PM
It's sparring, why does it matter? Sparring is to go in there and get work, not have this big game plan to beat someone up.

yeah ditto, I was taught sparring is for learning your own mistakes and how to develop game plans, not to rush in there and batter someone.

DA1CATAS
10-28-2008, 04:55 PM
Hmmmm.. if i came off like i was so confident its actually the other way around.

He's telling me how he trained with buster douglass and ray mercer and done good with them.. So I'm automatically thinking that his Pro experience is so far vast beyond any level I have at the moment.

I was asking what it should look like because I wanted to know if I should be more confident... because at the moment I'm thinking he's just going to take it easy with me and whatever because I don't match up or somethin.

Thats why I asked should i expect to do good or just get taught a lesson.

Definitely no ****iness if thats what some of you assumed.

and this is no plan to beat someone up... But I don't wanna look like a Super Chump either. I would like to do good against someone more experienced than me. it would make me feel good.

rj_ct
10-28-2008, 05:35 PM
i wouldn't go around giving out the names of the pros you're sparring with. everyone i've talked with has told me that both the amateur and the pro can get in trouble for sparring with each other (whether that means fines, or suspensions, or a revoked license i don't know).

not sure if this is just another myth, but i've been told this by a number of people including ex-pros and trainers. so just heads up.

DA1CATAS
10-28-2008, 05:45 PM
i wouldn't go around giving out the names of the pros you're sparring with. everyone i've talked with has told me that both the amateur and the pro can get in trouble for sparring with each other (whether that means fines, or suspensions, or a revoked license i don't know).

not sure if this is just another myth, but i've been told this by a number of people including ex-pros and trainers. so just heads up.

Hmm.. never heard of that but ok...


Makes a lil sense if ya think about it though... and thats why ya don't hear of many AM's sparring with pro's when they are Top Am's in interviews or just table talk.

Might not be a myth.

Barndog
10-28-2008, 06:15 PM
I was just joking anyway. Take it as it is. Go in there as if it's anyone else. He's more experienced than you, in bouts AND in sparring i'm sure. He'll set a pace and allow you to turn it up or tone it down i'm sure. He'll have been in alot of gyms before, unless he's a complete ****, he'll be just fine. Just go in, try and learn and enjoy yourself.

I sparred with a visiting pro, my two friends had gone light and showed him alot of respect. The pro's coach was fed up with them not stepping up and told me to go for it. I went straight ahead and didn't *****-foot around. One lucky shot later and i've bust his nose. Straight away, i **** myself that he might lose his temper and put me in hospital. Instead - he laughed, and we carried on till the bell.

sukhenkoy
10-28-2008, 06:18 PM
i wouldn't go around giving out the names of the pros you're sparring with. everyone i've talked with has told me that both the amateur and the pro can get in trouble for sparring with each other (whether that means fines, or suspensions, or a revoked license i don't know).

not sure if this is just another myth, but i've been told this by a number of people including ex-pros and trainers. so just heads up.

Actually I heard about this just yesterday. One of the fighters at my gym is turning Pro on Thursday (having his debut fight), and the trainer told me that he won't be able to hit any of the amateurs in sparring anymore. I think professionals and amateurs can spar, but the professional is not allowed to land a punch on the amateur.

DA1CATAS
10-28-2008, 06:21 PM
Actually I heard about this just yesterday. One of the fighters at my gym is turning Pro on Thursday (having his debut fight), and the trainer told me that he won't be able to hit any of the amateurs in sparring anymore. I think professionals and amateurs can spar, but the professional is not allowed to land a punch on the amateur.

lmao.. WHAT?!?!?

Domey
10-28-2008, 06:26 PM
If he is as experienced as you say, then he would know to take it light with for one, an amature, and two someone who is much less experienced.

I've sparred with many different caliber fighters. Two world champions actually. I usually spar with new guys down in the gym, because there is no one my caliber down there. I take it easy on them all, however if I noticed they are comming in with something to prove and trying to take my head off, I will be quick to slow them down.

I wouldn't go in there and be worried about how you are gonna do, how he is gonna do, what people are gonna think, and all of that bull****. Go in there and spar just as it is any other sparring session.

Work.

sukhenkoy
10-28-2008, 06:31 PM
i wouldn't go around giving out the names of the pros you're sparring with. everyone i've talked with has told me that both the amateur and the pro can get in trouble for sparring with each other (whether that means fines, or suspensions, or a revoked license i don't know).

not sure if this is just another myth, but i've been told this by a number of people including ex-pros and trainers. so just heads up.

lmao.. WHAT?!?!?

The professional simply works on head movement, parrying, slipping, etc during the sparring session. Our gym does this a lot in fact.

mspiegelo
10-28-2008, 07:51 PM
Hmmmm.. if i came off like i was so confident its actually the other way around.

He's telling me how he trained with buster douglass and ray mercer and done good with them.. So I'm automatically thinking that his Pro experience is so far vast beyond any level I have at the moment.

I was asking what it should look like because I wanted to know if I should be more confident... because at the moment I'm thinking he's just going to take it easy with me and whatever because I don't match up or somethin.

Thats why I asked should i expect to do good or just get taught a lesson.

Definitely no ****iness if thats what some of you assumed.

and this is no plan to beat someone up... But I don't wanna look like a Super Chump either. I would like to do good against someone more experienced than me. it would make me feel good.


just do the best you can. never expect to take a whoopin. always make an effort to do your best, and you may surprise yourself.

on the other hand, expect him to be very, very tough so that you are mentally prepared. better to be overprepared than under. if you are overmatched, he will work with you, unless he's just an *******. if thats the case, dont spar him. assuming he is cool just show respect and he will return it. otherwise, if you are overly aggressive and come out bombing, he may be tempted to check you with some big shots.

as far as the matchup- you should run all of your sparring by your trainer. thats what ive done. i just put total faith in him and let him match me up accordingly. that way you dont waste your time with bums that don't challenge you and give you false confidence, and also you wont wind up accidently sparring *******s like former pro heavyweight contender James "The Hammer" Butler (who was later convicted of killing Max Kellerman's brother , Sam). he was based in NYC and used to lure smaller fighters into sparring with him, just so he could purposely knock them out cold (im talking naive boxers with no fights under their belts, too). he was a real piece of sh%t.

anyway, good luck bro. cheers!

keepthemhandsup
10-28-2008, 09:35 PM
The professional simply works on head movement, parrying, slipping, etc during the sparring session. Our gym does this a lot in fact.

that sucks i would kinda want the dude to throw a punch at least

-GBGQ-
10-28-2008, 09:42 PM
Hmmmm.. if i came off like i was so confident its actually the other way around.

He's telling me how he trained with buster douglass and ray mercer and done good with them.. So I'm automatically thinking that his Pro experience is so far vast beyond any level I have at the moment.

I was asking what it should look like because I wanted to know if I should be more confident... because at the moment I'm thinking he's just going to take it easy with me and whatever because I don't match up or somethin.

Thats why I asked should i expect to do good or just get taught a lesson.

Definitely no ****iness if thats what some of you assumed.

and this is no plan to beat someone up... But I don't wanna look like a Super Chump either. I would like to do good against someone more experienced than me. it would make me feel good.



Go in there and do your thing as normal. If he steps it up, you step it up. You don't need some gameplan because your not training for him. Your training with him. Use his advantages and things he's does well and try to counter it. That way your making the most out of you guys gym time.