View Full Version : Once and For All...Sugar Ray Robinson is the Best Welter Ever!
Italian250 11-06-2004, 10:04 AM Why one can say anyone BUT Sugar Ray Robinson is the best welter either is too young to know anything about him or too ignorant to understand what he accomplished. The man won the world welterweight title in 1946 in his 75th fight. Prior to winning the title he was widely considered the uncrowned ww champ after beating Henry Armstrong, Sammy Angott three times, Fritzie Zivic twice, and Jake Lamotta 4 times. He not only held the welterweight title for 5 years. He also won 50 fights (including defenses) and lost NONE IN those 5 years. What fighter nowadays fights 10 ****ing times per year. NO great welter after him could compare.....period!
spinksjinx 11-06-2004, 11:37 AM Why one can say anyone BUT Sugar Ray Robinson is the best welter either is too young to know anything about him or too ignorant to understand what he accomplished. The man won the world welterweight title in 1946 in his 75th fight. Prior to winning the title he was widely considered the uncrowned ww champ after beating Henry Armstrong, Sammy Angott three times, Fritzie Zivic twice, and Jake Lamotta 4 times. He not only held the welterweight title for 5 years. He also won 50 fights (including defenses) and lost NONE IN those 5 years. What fighter nowadays fights 10 ****ing times per year. NO great welter after him could compare.....period!
When Ray was in Germany, I believe he fought something like 8 times in one day or something *crazy* thats more then what people fight in 2-3 years.
Ray isnt the greatest welterweight of all time, but the GREATEST fighter of all time...Noone compares to Ray in his prime.
Italian250 11-06-2004, 11:44 AM Ray isnt the greatest welterweight of all time, but the GREATEST fighter of all time...Noone compares to Ray in his prime.
Ray is BOTH the greatest Welter ANG greatest PFP fighter of ALL TIME. Period.
skillet54 06-29-2005, 01:11 AM Why one can say anyone BUT Sugar Ray Robinson is the best welter either is too young to know anything about him or too ignorant to understand what he accomplished. The man won the world welterweight title in 1946 in his 75th fight. Prior to winning the title he was widely considered the uncrowned ww champ after beating Henry Armstrong, Sammy Angott three times, Fritzie Zivic twice, and Jake Lamotta 4 times. He not only held the welterweight title for 5 years. He also won 50 fights (including defenses) and lost NONE IN those 5 years. What fighter nowadays fights 10 ****ing times per year. NO great welter after him could compare.....period!
it burns me when i hear some people compare ray leonard to Sugar Ray Robinson!!! there is no comparison. somewhere on this site they have a fantasy fight listed between the two...all ray leonard would do is run...ala the hagler fight...which leonard lost. leonard should have been made to fight a few middleweights that hagler battled with, like
vito antofuermo and mustafa hamshoo (probably not spelled right)before the hagler christmas gift. sorry to get off topic...Mr. robinson is imo
the best pfp boxer of all time!!
Loco671 06-29-2005, 01:21 AM agreed 100% Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer ever.
IwatchBoxing 06-29-2005, 01:22 AM Trinidad #1 Welterweight in history! ;)
Both fighters had long distinguished careers and both of them set a number of records. Trinidad was the longest reigning Welterweight Champion in history, surpassing the mark set by Freddie Cochrane in World War II. Tito made 15 successful defenses during the course a reign that lasted over 6 years. Even though he won the title from the ordinary Maurice Blocker, he made a number of defenses against quality competition
Ninety-four was definitely the most impressive year of his title reign. He successfully defended his title against Hector Camacho, Yori Boy Campas, and Oba Carr. Combined they entered the ring with a 130-2 record.
http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=1439
Bad Intentions 06-29-2005, 02:39 AM it burns me when i hear some people compare ray leonard to Sugar Ray Robinson!!! there is no comparison. somewhere on this site they have a fantasy fight listed between the two...all ray leonard would do is run...ala the hagler fight...which leonard lost. leonard should have been made to fight a few middleweights that hagler battled with, like
vito antofuermo and mustafa hamshoo (probably not spelled right)before the hagler christmas gift. sorry to get off topic...Mr. robinson is imo
the best pfp boxer of all time!!
They prbally got them as a fantast match up cuz they are both Sugar Ray....And to the other thong about him fighting 10 times in a year i dont think they got paid back then the way they do now..Mayweather probally made as much money vs Gatti than Ray Robinson probally made in 20 fights
Imira 06-29-2005, 04:08 AM What makes Robinson the greatest is that he showed consistency against much more solid competition over a longer career than most losers of today. He faced and defeated every fighting style in the ring. In my opinion, there's not a single welterweight in history that can show Robinson something that he hasn't already shut down at least 4 times over. That's why, no matter what any of these younger "fans" may say, Sugar Ray Robinson is, STILL, pound for pound, the greatest fighter in the history of the sport.
What makes Robinson the greatest is that he showed consistency against much more solid competition over a longer career than most losers of today. He faced and defeated every fighting style in the ring. In my opinion, there's not a single welterweight in history that can show Robinson something that he hasn't already shut down at least 4 times over. That's why, no matter what any of these younger "fans" may say, Sugar Ray Robinson is, STILL, pound for pound, the greatest fighter in the history of the sport.
Hear, hear!!
Red_Menace 06-29-2005, 07:02 AM SRR fought Jake LaMotta twice in two or three weeks, with a tune-up in between .... now that is insane. At one point he was 120-1. The guy was rediculously good. He had serious knockout power too.
Kid Achilles 06-29-2005, 07:57 AM It's cliche to say, but Robinson was in a class of his own. I just wish I could have been born earlier to see him fight.
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