first off, i don't agree with people who strike PERIOD. me personally, if my employer does some unfair **** to me then i'll either:

1. quit and find a new job
2. find a constructive and logical way of stating my point of view
3. go back to work, hold in my frustrations to fuel my desire into starting my own similar business where i won't do to my employees as what's being done to me.

but i will NOT march in zombie-like circles, refusing to be a working American, while holding a big sign in hopes that the rest of the world will sympathize with me for the unfairness done to me.
what kinda chicken-**** method of problem solving is that ANYWAYS????

YOU ARE PROTESTING UNFAIRNESS
LIFE IS UNFAIR
SO YOU ARE PROTESTING LIFE

get a ****ing grip on reality folks!





and these grocery store ****suckers are even more pathetic!! not only do they subscribe to the crybaby methods described above but they make sure to make everyone else's life inconvenient too. ****in *******s.
HELLO FOLKS!!! this isn't exactly some construction site here. these are GROCERY STORES. they are CHAINS OF GROCERY STORES. grocery stores contain commodities therefore people MUST GO TO GROCERY STORES

these stupid **** wastes actually try to cry about their unfairness while giving NORMAL people guilt trips for AQUIRING FOOD. not to mention they flood lines at the very few grocery stores not under protest (who have now conveniently raised their prices), and have let millions and millions of tons of food go to waste at the protested stores.
that is more spineless then those ******s that lit the SUV dealership on fire. it totally subscribes to basic *****-made player hating tactics that simply pout: "well if i can't play then I'M taking my ball and going home!"



my conclusion:
**** the grocery store picketers. if they wanna be taken seriously then they should try acting like adults and not children.

Striking is a demoractic way of making sure at least some attention is directed to your displeasure. Tony, it surprises me that you disagree with strikes. I thought people actually standing up for themselves and trying to do what they can to get a better deal for themselves is something you would be in favour of. Rather than just sitting around *****ing about how unfair life is, they are actualyl trying to do something about it

Originally posted by Creed
Striking is a demoractic way of making sure at least some attention is directed to your displeasure. Tony, it surprises me that you disagree with strikes. I thought people actually standing up for themselves and trying to do what they can to get a better deal for themselves is something you would be in favour of. Rather than just sitting around *****ing about how unfair life is, they are actualyl trying to do something about it

stiking is a form of exploiting democracy, not embracing it. i don't advocate complaining in childish manners. i already explained why i think it's childish and i already outlined 3 more constructive solutions as well.

True but the way these people camp outside a Ralph's store 24-7 and just grease you off when you walk in is pretty ****ing rude. I mean it will be your money which pays these ****ers when they decide to go back to work.

I don't know all the details over what they're protesting for, but from what I understand, they've had free medical for years (not just subsides, I mean free - no copay, nothing) and now they've been told that the company cannot foot the bill (it's like $3,000/yr or something like that) and now they're having a cry about it??

**** that, if everyone else has to pay, especially people in jobs that actually have a prerequisite beyond the ability to open a box and unpack it's contents onto a shelf - why the **** should they be treated any differently.

Whinging douchebags. I swear I'm going to go up to one and ask one of these people about it, just so I can shoot down the arguments. If they put as much energy into pursuing an alternate career path - either job hunting or studying, as they do having a ****ing cry about their situation, they'd have certifications in a new trade or jobs by now.

- J.

strikes are a legal tool to try to get what you want.

I'm going to use it a lot next time.

Originally posted by Magic Man
strikes are a legal tool to try to get what you want.

I'm going to use it a lot next time.

Thats why unis have student unions.... get them in while they're young :lol1:

- J.

"No coffee? I'm ****ing striking mother****ers!"

Originally posted by Purity
stiking is a form of exploiting democracy, not embracing it. i don't advocate complaining in childish manners. i already explained why i think it's childish and i already outlined 3 more constructive solutions as well.

Quting your job? Doesn't seem very productive. You quit and some other slob takes your place and they keep treating you like ****.

Standing up for yourself is the best way of at least slowing down the steady stream of bull**** that is dumped on you on a daily basis.

Secondly holding in your anger and starting to plan your own break away business is frankly impossible for some people. Some people, like you Tony, are blessed with talents in a field where it is possible to start your own business. You have a talent for figures. Espically when it comes to realisate (spelling?) and banking (again in the realisate field). Not everyone has the talent for numbers you do. Doesn't mean they are lazy or stupid. Each person has talents and skills. However, not every field has talents in a field where its fesable to break away. I mean, some people just don't have the talents of leadership, resourcefulness and creativity that are needed to do that. Again, doesn't make them lazy or stupid. Just who they are and what they are good at.

Also, a lot of people feel striking IS a onstructive and logical point of view. You disagree, but thats ok. You are in the minority in this case.

So you have to understand, two of your points just are possible or realistic for 90% of the population. The other you are in the minority and are going to have to deal with that. Unions are corrput, but so are the companys they are fighting against. However, weighing the good against the bad, I belive we are better off with them. Thats my opinon, take it for what its worth

Originally posted by The Jake
True but the way these people camp outside a Ralph's store 24-7 and just grease you off when you walk in is pretty ****ing rude. I mean it will be your money which pays these ****ers when they decide to go back to work.

I don't know all the details over what they're protesting for, but from what I understand, they've had free medical for years (not just subsides, I mean free - no copay, nothing) and now they've been told that the company cannot foot the bill (it's like $3,000/yr or something like that) and now they're having a cry about it??

**** that, if everyone else has to pay, especially people in jobs that actually have a prerequisite beyond the ability to open a box and unpack it's contents onto a shelf - why the **** should they be treated any differently.

Whinging douchebags. I swear I'm going to go up to one and ask one of these people about it, just so I can shoot down the arguments. If they put as much energy into pursuing an alternate career path - either job hunting or studying, as they do having a ****ing cry about their situation, they'd have certifications in a new trade or jobs by now.

- J.

yeah and they're saying "we not asking for anything except for what was taken away from us."


hey i didn't like it when my dog died a couple years ago but he did. when will people realize that the only thing CONSTANT in life is CHANGE. and that it's not the changes that matter but the manner in which you REACT to those changes that tells you, and the rest of the world, what type of person you really are. congrats to the strikers for letting us all know that they're whiney *******.

Originally posted by Magic Man
strikes are a legal tool to try to get what you want.

so is acting like a real man and doing one of the 3 suggestions i gave.
sucking dick is one way of getting sexual pleasure but since i aint a ****** then i'm not suckin dick.

Originally posted by Purity
sucking dick is one way of getting sexual pleasure but since i aint a ****** then i'm not suckin dick.

That is a really really bad analogy there Tony....

- J.

Originally posted by Purity
yeah and they're saying "we not asking for anything except for what was taken away from us."


hey i didn't like it when my dog died a couple years ago but he did. when will people realize that the only thing CONSTANT in life is CHANGE. and that it's not the changes that matter but the manner in which you REACT to those changes that tells you, and the rest of the world, what type of person you really are. congrats to the strikers for letting us all know that they're whiney *******.

Yeah, things changed. Now they are trying to affect change. This time for thier betterment (is that a word?)

You complain people don't accept change, but when they try to affect that change you complain because it makes your life more difficult.

Breaking away is simply impossbile in most cases, and quiting your job is a little like curing the disease by killing the sick.

And as for your other suggestion, they are following it. You feel that strikes aren't a good way of vocing your displeasure or affecting change. Well, your in the minority Tony and frankly your just going to have to grin and bare it for the time being. These people are trying to affect change and better thier situation. Your just going to have to deal for the time being

Originally posted by The Jake
That is a really really bad analogy there Tony....

- J.

espically since sucking dick gives no direct sexual pleasure. Getting your dick sucked on the other hand........

Originally posted by Purity
yeah and they're saying "we not asking for anything except for what was taken away from us."


hey i didn't like it when my dog died a couple years ago but he did. when will people realize that the only thing CONSTANT in life is CHANGE. and that it's not the changes that matter but the manner in which you REACT to those changes that tells you, and the rest of the world, what type of person you really are. congrats to the strikers for letting us all know that they're whiney *******.

Yes, but as individuals - many of these people are baseline salary earners, the only way they can command any power is to be a part of a union. A powerful union tool to get what they want is the strike, which is perfectly legal.

Individual wage case bargaining is a luxury reserved for those of higher social standing - not peons. I think strikes are a good tool for those without power - as any tool, it can be abused, but it is a nessesary evil.

Grocery store workers are generally baseline workers with no individual bargaining power - they're doing what they can to better their situation. None of the 3 alternatives you give are better.

The anger and inconvenience caused to you and many others is part of the reason why striking is such a powerful tool. Individually, these people's opinion mean jack ****, but when they band together the employers are forced to hear what they are saying.

Originally posted by Creed
Yeah, things changed. Now they are trying to affect change. This time for thier betterment (is that a word?)

You complain people don't accept change, but when they try to affect that change you complain because it makes your life more difficult.

Yes but I think the point Purity was making was that there is a right way and wrong way and he finds this to be the wrong way. I don't know if I'd view it in such black and white terms but yeah, this is pretty unacceptable.

There are some cases where I think union activity is called for. This, however, is not one of them.


Breaking away is simply impossbile in most cases, and quiting your job is a little like curing the disease by killing the sick.

There are several ways of voicing formal objections and attempting to resolve disputes.
But ultimately they are shooting themselves in the foot. How long can they strike for? Best case scenario? Using up all their leave and sick time?

Worst case scenario, the stores will just employ new staff who are happy to work with the current deal and they will be ultimately worse off for wear.

If you ditch your job or don't give adequate notice or leave, they can not only dock your pay they can also sack you for abandoning your job. No union can protect against that.


And as for your other suggestion, they are following it. You feel that strikes aren't a good way of vocing your displeasure or affecting change. Well, your in the minority Tony and frankly your just going to have to grin and bare it for the time being. These people are trying to affect change and better thier situation. Your just going to have to deal for the time being

Protesting can and does work. That said, these people seem to be plain unreasonable with their demands. According to the radio that is. They refuse to budge unless they get their way, which is pretty damn selfish if you ask me.

Guys like Purity and I may be a minority, but just as they exercise their right to protest, we'll exercise ours to call them whinging ****buckets to their faces as we buy our goods there.

- J.

ps. yes, I have studied employment relations in university, its not an easy subject, nor is it particularly interesting - but I think it gives me good insight into the benefits of unions and striking as a tool - so far tony, you haven't provided any good arguments against it, in fact you're strengthening the fact that its an invaluable tool for the voiceless.

also, your analogies are a bit too simplistic to warrant any consideration as argumentative points.

Originally posted by The Jake
Yes but I think the point Purity was making was that there is a right way and wrong way and he finds this to be the wrong way. I don't know if I'd view it in such black and white terms but yeah, this is pretty unacceptable.

There are some cases where I think union activity is called for. This, however, is not one of them.

[B]

I think there should be several ways of voicing formal objections and attempting to resolve disputes. Worst case scenario, the stores will just employ new staff who are happy to work with the current deal and they will be ultimately worse off for wear.

If you ditch your job or don't give adequate notice or leave, they can not only dock your pay they can also sack you for abandoning your job. No union can protect against that.

[B]

Protesting can and does work. These people are just being plain unreasonable with their demands. They refuse to budge unless they get their way, which is pretty damn selfish if you ask me.

Guys like Purity and I may be a minority, but just as they exercise their right to protest, we'll exercise ours to call them whinging ****buckets to their faces as we buy our goods there.

- J.


Then what do you suggest? How do you voice your opinion?

95% of people don't give two ****s about anything unless it affects them directly. How the hell are people going to have thier voices heard by a public that is so apathetic to everything around them until it hits home. Do you think ethier you or Tony would of heard anything about the workers being displeased and wanting to level the playing field unless they went on strike?

Originally posted by Creed
95% of people don't give two ****s about anything unless it affects them directly. How the hell are people going to have thier voices heard by a public that is so apathetic to everything around them until it hits home. Do you think ethier you or Tony would of heard anything about the workers being displeased and wanting to level the playing field unless they went on strike?

Exactly.

Originally posted by Magic Man
Yes, but as individuals - many of these people are baseline salary earners, the only way they can command any power is to be a part of a union. A powerful union tool to get what they want is the strike, which is perfectly legal.

Individual wage case bargaining is a luxury reserved for those of higher social standing - not peons. I think strikes are a good tool for those without power - as any tool, it can be abused, but it is a nessesary evil.

Grocery store workers are generally baseline workers with no individual bargaining power - they're doing what they can to better their situation. None of the 3 alternatives you give are better.

The anger and inconvenience caused to you and many others is part of the reason why striking is such a powerful tool. Individually, these people's opinion mean jack ****, but when they band together the employers are forced to hear what they are saying.

True but basically Magic, these workers had the best medical coverage in the country for ages and they didn't pay a dime for it. I mean like better than what I'm getting -- at least so I'm told. The pay for these jobs is apparently quite decent too. Better than minimum wage apparently.

What I am protesting against is that I pay a considerable amount for my health coverage. So does just about every working American (note: I don't include myself as an American per se, but I do work and pay taxes like any other). These people have been on easy street for ages and now they've been told sorry we cannot support this any more.

The companies and the union have met many times already but neither side seems to be capitulating. There's only so long a company can carry the burden for and these workers expect to have the ****ing royal treatment.

I'm sorry but no.

I busted my arse in my field of work and to get through university and certifications and ****. I think it's unfair to have some ****ing unambitious, illiterate retard whose only aspiration in life was the work in a grocery store have better benefits than me. Sorry, but yeah. To the winner go the spoils as they say.

If they don't like it and they're being inflexible, then I really hope they choke on it.

And when it does backfire they can try and study harder and try something different and try really working. Try learning a new skill, get certification in something, start your own business, write a book - something. OR they can go back to their old job and bemoan about the good ol' days and how good they used to have it.

Suck it up. That's what I say.

- J.

Originally posted by Creed
Quting your job? Doesn't seem very productive. You quit and some other slob takes your place and they keep treating you like ****.
the reason i didn't put a period after the word "quit" was because the sentence wasn't finished. countering a point on half a sentence isn't much of a counter at all. i will credit you because i should have put "better" instead of "new", as getting a BETTER job was what i was incinuating.

Originally posted by Creed

Standing up for yourself is the best way of at least slowing down the steady stream of bull**** that is dumped on you on a daily basis.

slowing down a stream accomplishes nothing for you. all it does is inconvenience the perpetrators. me personally, i'd rather spend my energy bettering myself.

Originally posted by Creed

Secondly holding in your anger and starting to plan your own break away business is frankly impossible for some people. Some people, like you Tony, are blessed with talents in a field where it is possible to start your own business. You have a talent for figures. Espically when it comes to realisate (spelling?) and banking (again in the realisate field). Not everyone has the talent for numbers you do. Doesn't mean they are lazy or stupid. Each person has talents and skills. However, not every field has talents in a field where its fesable to break away. I mean, some people just don't have the talents of leadership, resourcefulness and creativity that are needed to do that. Again, doesn't make them lazy or stupid. Just who they are and what they are good at.

bull****. if you want something then you can make it happen. we're all born under the same sun.
of course this world would be more than happy to accomidate you as you conjure up excuse after excuse as to why you could never accomplish your dream.

Originally posted by Creed

Also, a lot of people feel striking IS a onstructive and logical point of view. You disagree, but thats ok.
**** that neutral ****. i said why i disagree and i have YET to hear any logical reasoning as to why striking is logical and constructive on a personal level.

Originally posted by Creed
You are in the minority in this case.
so are the people in this world who actually make something out of their life. guess that's just a cute lil coinky-dink eh?

Originally posted by Creed

So you have to understand, two of your points just are possible or realistic for 90% of the population.
nope. i don't understand it and you just read why.

Originally posted by Creed

The other you are in the minority and are going to have to deal with that.
:?:

Originally posted by Creed

Unions are corrput, but so are the companys they are fighting against.
certain people are corrupt. every organization has people and depending on how many corrupt people are tossed in a particular mix depends on how corrupt a union or corporation realistically is.
now THAT'S the reality and not just some "oh everyone's corrupt" ASSumption.

Originally posted by Creed
However, weighing the good against the bad, I belive we are better off with them. Thats my opinon, take it for what its worth
an opinion's not worth much when you don't state reasoning behind it

Originally posted by Creed
Then what do you suggest? How do you voice your opinion?

95% of people don't give two ****s about anything unless it affects them directly. How the hell are people going to have thier voices heard by a public that is so apathetic to everything around them until it hits home. Do you think ethier you or Tony would of heard anything about the workers being displeased and wanting to level the playing field unless they went on strike?

I guess my greater greivance is the fact that they refuse to budge. In any meeting there must be compromise. And quite frankly, they're not doing so. That's why I hope they choke.

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
That is a really really bad analogy there Tony....

- J.

no it's an extreme analogy because i thought the previous stated arguement was extreme bull****

Originally posted by Creed
Yeah, things changed. Now they are trying to affect change. This time for thier betterment (is that a word?)

You complain people don't accept change, but when they try to affect that change you complain because it makes your life more difficult.

no my complaint is the childish act of picking as a lazy form of protest and i was simply ADDING to the fact that they are making it inconvenient for others. nice try on twisted my words but it aint happenin.

Originally posted by Creed

Breaking away is simply impossbile in most cases, and quiting your job is a little like curing the disease by killing the sick.
it is not impossible. it is possible but it is MUCH easier to be lazy and make up excuses to justify your laziness. i already addressed the "quitting" issue.

Originally posted by Creed

And as for your other suggestion, they are following it. You feel that strikes aren't a good way of vocing your displeasure or affecting change. Well, your in the minority Tony and frankly your just going to have to grin and bare it for the time being. These people are trying to affect change and better thier situation. Your just going to have to deal for the time being

no.
******* grin and bear it. i don't. i'll be at the grocery store in about an hour and you can bet that i'm not gonna honk my ****in horn in support. i'll walk right through that goddam line and if anyone over there wants to know why then i have no problem speaking my mind, talkin my ****, and ****in telling it like it is.

and who the **** are you to tell me that i'm in the minority? are you hovering over the clouds taking statistics on the world-wide opinion of this?? if i'm the MINORITY then the protestors (and their supporters) must be the MAJORITY and in a democratic society the MAJORITY gets their way and HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN PROTESTING NOW???
and even if they DO get their way (which they probably will because it seems to be the latest trend for babies to get catered to) that doesn't mean it is because the MAJORITY agrees. it's probably because the MAJORITY is tired of this bull**** inconvenience factor that these kiddies are raining down. kinda like just giving the cookie to the lil loudmouth fat**** kid in the block who throws temper-tantrums when he doesn't get it HIS WAY.

Originally posted by Creed
espically since sucking dick gives no direct sexual pleasure. Getting your dick sucked on the other hand........

apparently you haven't met any girls that like suckin dick. i can attest that they are out there and roam in masses.

Originally posted by Creed
[B]Yeah, things changed. Now they are trying to affect change. This time for thier betterment (is that a word?)[B]

An improvement over what has been the case: financial betterment.
Law. An improvement beyond normal upkeep and repair that adds to the value of real property.


Yes, it's a word. Very good. You get an A.:)

I think Tony is undeafeted in arguing with people on here.......

My opinion goes up and down on the issue. We just received our open enrollment form for this next year of insurance choices. We have several medical ins. companies to choose from and just a few dental. The total payout by our company for our insurance premiums is over $10k a year. I'm not complaining that I have to pay $1300/year for my share. I pay a $10 copay, I pay $5-7 copay for my prescriptions.... I have vision and mental health, all of which are used in this crazy house. I remember the days when we had no insurance....when both girls were born and I ended up hospitalized for a week 8 months after baby #2....(due to a hospital screwup that I couldn't prove). I don't mind paying for my premiums. Not at all......I use it.

Ok, I'll turn the tables a bit here

Tony, your the one complaining about the strike. So its you who should be backing up your claims. I am simply trying to counter your agrument as it was you who starte the thread.

However, I will state my reason, even though I feel I did in my pervious posts. I clearly gave my reasons why I felt Tony's 1st and 3rd reasons were totaly impractical and frankly bull****. The 2nd one comes down to a matter of opinion. You guys disagree with them. Even though they are trying to better themselves (better working conditions) and are trying to affect change in a way thats better for them. Just because it creates a problem for you doesn't mean its wrong.

and Tony, I want to know. What do you think is an affective way to express thier displeasure other than a strike? Give me a way for them to get the attention they need along with affecting change to deal with thier greviences.

I have given my way. I think a strike is the correct way to go about it. It might not be perfect, but its the best way so far.

Please....give me a better way.

Originally posted by Magic Man
Yes, but as individuals - many of these people are baseline salary earners, the only way they can command any power is to be a part of a union. A powerful union tool to get what they want is the strike, which is perfectly legal.

Individual wage case bargaining is a luxury reserved for those of higher social standing - not peons. I think strikes are a good tool for those without power - as any tool, it can be abused, but it is a nessesary evil.

true and i understand the fact that they are not in a power position so this is the only "effective" way (according to some) to successfully protest.
but have you ever considered WHY they are not in a power position???
before you start giving me the blues on why people can't always make it into a power position, understand that since you ARE NOT in a power position then you are to NOT HOLD THE POWER.
the only exception to this law is to award the powerless with power. but the only true candidates are those who can show responsibility by using power through a means of PRODUCTIVITY in a RESPECTFUL manner.
these people are NOT being productive by marching in circles. they are physhically producing nothing except inconvenience which is a DISRESPECTFUL tactic.
it is absolutely no different from a spoiled child throwing a temper-tantrum at his parents when they won't give him the popsicle right before dinner.

Originally posted by Magic Man

Grocery store workers are generally baseline workers with no individual bargaining power - they're doing what they can to better their situation. None of the 3 alternatives you give are better.

typical ****in clocker stance. do i really need to spell out word-for-word as to why my 3 (and even more) alternatives would not only accomplish the employees & employers short-term AND long-term goals??
i don't state **** that i'm not prepared for so, believe me, i can spell out the logistics if you people actually can't conjure up common sense instincts

Originally posted by Magic Man

The anger and inconvenience caused to you and many others is part of the reason why striking is such a powerful tool. Individually, these people's opinion mean jack ****, but when they band together the employers are forced to hear what they are saying.
it's not the end result that matters. the end result only accomplishes the short-term goal.
if that result is gained from irresponsible tactics then the initial cause will eventually be defeated. this is why every leadership that is taken by force is eventually overthrown by that same force.

Purity is saying if they try for any of his suggestions than there is a good chance that they will further educate themselves or provide jobs that require more skilled individuals or start their own businesses which will provide services to other people and jobs to the employees. These are all methods in which they benefit everyone.

Then there is the other mentality of just punching a clock he was referring to, which case you don't get or deserve any special treatment because at the end of the day, you are still working for someone else under someone elses rules (ie. the employer and the government). You can form unions and what not to unify the voice, but the fact is you are still, in essence, a drone.

You option here is to either a) suck it up, b) change jobs (where you still work for someone else you just hope the circumstances are better. this is why everyone gets certification or degrees or whatnot because it will hopefully give you better terms on your next job) or c) start your business (and your own success or failure is directly attributable to you).

- J.

Originally posted by Magic Man
ps. yes, I have studied employment relations in university, its not an easy subject, nor is it particularly interesting - but I think it gives me good insight into the benefits of unions and striking as a tool
ps. yes, I have studied employment relations in the REAL WORLD and i've been doing it ever since i made my first dollar when i was 8 years old.
it IS an easy and interesting subject once you actually experience it. and since i HAVE experienced it hands-on for over 2/3's of my life then i think THAT gives me good insight into the benefits of unions and striking as a "tool".

Originally posted by Magic Man

so far tony, you haven't provided any good arguments against it, in fact you're strengthening the fact that its an invaluable tool for the voiceless.
not only did i tell point out actual events that are making this whole strike a negative overall impact (in the the very 1st post may i add) but i also pointed out why it's chicken-**** for one to do it on a personal level (in just about every other post may i add).
the fact that it frustrates me doesn't make it a valuable tool, simply because i don't give in to other people's weakness so stop thinking that i handle situations the same way that you would. if it was such a "tool" then i wouldn't be walking through those lines. quit trying to mind**** this ****ed mind cause i see where you're trying to go with this.

Originally posted by Magic Man

also, your analogies are a bit too simplistic to warrant any consideration as argumentative points.
lol @ that ****. just cause i don't write a fancy-schmancy college analysis on my points doesn't mean i'm not getting them across. it seems pretty clear here that the problem is NOT that you don't understand where i'm coming from but just can't "warrant" any "argumentative points" einstein.

so let's get back to the basics here kiddies:

people protest because they think something is unfair.
unfairness is a BAD thing to someone because it makes their life unhappy.

i am suggesting ways to make their lives happier. i am not suggesting on how these people can be bigger *****es- if that was the case then i wouldn't have said what i cleared up in the first paragraph.

argue with me all the **** you guys want to but i'm gonna tell you straight up:
you will not win this discussion because i don't lose discussions that i argue about because i don't argue unless i know i'm right and i know i'm not right unless i'm passionate about something and i'm not passionate about something unless i have factual and moral support into what i'm getting into because i believe that shooting is useless if there are no bullets in your gun.
so far my critics have shot blanks and i have pointed out word-for-word on why everything they've said doesn't work out. i've also backed up everything i've said very clearly (evidently a lil too clearly in some cases).

and, NO, digging for tiny loopholes in my points by manipulating what i said while disguising it as an interpretation will not work because i can see everytime when you're trying to divert the main subject i addressed by pointing out insignificant hypocracies that have nothing to do with the main subject.

Tony having a different opinion does not make you right. To WIN you have to chance my mind about this subject and frankly you haven't.

The only reason I think you give two ****s about this strike is because its made it harder for you.

Well, too bad. Life is unfair.

I think Purity should protest the protestors because they're being unfair. :)

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
I think Purity should protest the protestors because they're being unfair. :)

- J.

I like that idea

Originally posted by Creed
Tony having a different opinion does not make you right. To WIN you have to chance my mind about this subject and frankly you haven't.

is that why i've ripped apart everything you've stated piece by piece so far?

Originally posted by Creed

The only reason I think you give two ****s about this strike is because its made it harder for you.

if it made it harder for me then i'd be standing in those long lines in the other stores and feeling guilty about crossing the picket lines. i just like exposing the weak for who they really are.

Originally posted by Creed

Well, too bad. Life is unfair.
nice try on trying to do the ol' twist-aroo but i've already told you that it aint gonna work so why do you keep hopelessly trying?

Originally posted by The Jake
I think Purity should protest the protestors because they're being unfair. :)

- J.

i tell where i'm coming from if they ask why i cross their lines.

Yeah, I had those ****ers too!!!

It's been causing traffic jams and ****...pissing me the **** off.......and I'm not even driving!!!!

Everyone honking their god damn horns......WTF FOR?!?!?!?!??!?!? It's loud and annoying. I hate it....everyone hate's people that honk at grocery workers on strike.....it's commen knowledge.....you honk at strikers......you're hated.

STOP HONKING AND DRIVE YOU ****ING ****S!!!!