View Full Version : Comparing being gay to being a minority?
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 03:03 PM I had a thread shut down here a few days about about queers and marriages biting the big one on Nov. 2
Explosivo or one of the liberal pansys here questioned the thread if it was offensive, saying it would be like starting a thread about blacks.
If I were a black person, i'd be insulted that having something about myself that's genetic, how I was born being compared to a pillowbiter whose behavior has given birth to AIDS among humanity.
I find it offensive how gays and gay sympathizers try to piggy back their "cause" on minorities in this country and the civil rights movement. You can't hide your race but you can hide your sexual preference to avoid being beaten.
I'm no religious freak nor do I believe all homos choose that lifestyle though some do because of molestation, drug addiction, etc. But there's a reason why plugging guys in the buttcheeks makes you 90% more likely to catch HIV than plugging a woman. And women who get it usually are with men who've had sex with other men.
I'm sick of homos and their minions trying to make the rest of the world accept them as being normal. I'm sorry they're not normal.I'm not going to beat up a gay person or hurl insults at them for their lifestyle, but I dont have to respect their lifesytle.
Now petition for this thread to be closed!
Explosivo 11-05-2004, 04:26 PM I'm going to respond just because you named me personally.
I have seen people get banned from this site for racist ****, then I see you make a thread centered around bashing gays. To me prejudice is prejudice whether your talking about people of a different skin color, sex, religion, or whatever, its all bull**** to me. I don't really give a **** what you say because we all know your a dumbass. What I wanted to know was is it cool to bash gays, but wrong to bash people because of race on Boxingscene. Obviously we don't have a double standard here since Rick locked your thread. I didn't petition Rick to do it, as far as I know he did it on his own.
abdiel2k3 11-05-2004, 04:44 PM i dont have aproblem with baggin on gay black white brown or whatever type of people
when its in good fun
i mean as odd as that sounds
i hope it makes sense
i like politcly incorrect humor
like chris rock he bags on black people but its funny and in good fun
but this **** is just fukin HATE
even i think this is goin to far willy
garretrevels 11-05-2004, 04:54 PM wiily you indeed have crossed the line but im not sure you mean what you say.
i think your just trying to raise eyebrows
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 05:43 PM wiily you indeed have crossed the line but im not sure you mean what you say.
i think your just trying to raise eyebrows
Serious question...
How have I "crossed the line" by saying gays are not the same as being minority? Please do explain. It's my opinion. I'm starting to see that you left wingers on this site can be as fanatical as the right wingers like tech9ne.
I can make a strong case for gay sex being unnatural NOT on relgious grounds but on science.
This is a fact, and the Center for Disease Control (a non partisan government agency) backs me up.
AIDS is transmitted because of men who have sex with men, or by women who have sex with men who had sex with men. There's no debate about this. It's medically true.
If you force me to dig into my research and find the exact numbers, and quote the CDC spokesman who confirmed this I will.
So my rationale is, if men banging men in the buttcheeks is a main criteria for spreading AIDS, whhat is so "across the line" about saying it? Because it sounds insensitive. It's true!
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 05:47 PM Science cannot yet prove intentions and read people's minds, so science cannot prove whether it is a choice or not.
Unless you go for the "gay gene" research that is prevalent.
Don't act like you have proof; you're simply giving your opinion on something apparently you're not qualified to give.
It's like someone with a 140 IQ not understanding why the retarded kid can't learn his math tables - it's not for you to try to dissect.
For every "gayness is a choice" scientific study, you can find an opposite one. Same logic as the superior race stuff - you can find lots of facts - it's the jump to a conclusion that usually constitutes fallacy.
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 05:49 PM Science cannot yet prove intentions and read people's minds, so science cannot prove whether it is a choice or not.
Unless you go for the "gay gene" research that is prevalent.
Don't act like you have proof; you're simply giving your opinion on something apparently you're not qualified to give.
It's like someone with a 140 IQ not understanding why the retarded kid can't learn his math tables - it's not for you to try to dissect.
For every "gayness is a choice" scientific study, you can find an opposite one. Same logic as the superior race stuff - you can find lots of facts - it's the jump to a conclusion that usually constitutes fallacy.
Did you read my post moron? I'm not taking issue with gay ness being a choice. I do believe in some cases it's a subliminal choice. In others I just think that's just the way they are.
I'm talking about AIDS and how it's transmitted. The key component is a BISEXUAL male. Therefore, the practice of man on man sex is unnatural.
A heterosexual man who has sex with a heterosexual woman whose only had sex with heterosexual men constitute ZERO % of AIDS cases in this country.
That's my claim. It's not based on hate or religion. I'ts based on fact. How is saying that "across the line." That's my only question
Serious question...
How have I "crossed the line" by saying gays are not the same as being minority? Please do explain. It's my opinion. I'm starting to see that you left wingers on this site can be as fanatical as the right wingers like tech9ne.
I can make a strong case for gay sex being unnatural NOT on relgious grounds but on science.
This is a fact, and the Center for Disease Control (a non partisan government agency) backs me up.
AIDS is transmitted because of men who have sex with men, or by women who have sex with men who had sex with men. There's no debate about this. It's medically true.
If you force me to dig into my research and find the exact numbers, and quote the CDC spokesman who confirmed this I will.
So my rationale is, if men banging men in the buttcheeks is a main criteria for spreading AIDS, whhat is so "across the line" about saying it? Because it sounds insensitive. It's true!
willy your tryin to raise eyebrows . youre way too smart to think what you just wrote .
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 05:52 PM willy your tryin to raise eyebrows . youre way too smart to think what you just wrote .
It's true.
Again, I dont give a **** about who sleeps with whom. I'd never assault a gay person. I'd never hurt someone who isn't a threat to me. They can do what they please. If they get married, so what. I don't care. You guys are jumping on me like I'm some religious nut whose saying being gay is wrong.
I dont think its right or wrong. I think it just is. But I do think it's unnatural and the numbers from scientific studies devoid of political agendas support this
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 05:54 PM Did you read my post moron? I'm not taking issue with gay ness being a choice. I do believe in some cases it's a subliminal choice. In others I just think that's just the way they are.
I'm talking about AIDS and how it's transmitted. The key component is a BISEXUAL male. Therefore, the practice of man on man sex is unnatural.
A heterosexual man who has sex with a heterosexual woman whose only had sex with heterosexual men constitute ZERO % of AIDS cases in this country.
That's my claim. It's not based on hate or religion. I'ts based on fact. How is saying that "across the line." That's my only question
If it's not a choice, it must be "natural", huh, Einstein?
Your ZERO chance thing doesn't work because a heterosexual person who has only had sex with a heterosexual person is also exposed to things that that person's previous partners and their previous partners have had. It's that whole "you're sleeping with that person and all of their partners and their partners' partners" thing...
And lesbians are the least likely to catch AIDS, because there's less fluid exchange possibility.
Are you excusing women from the "unnatural" argument or did your whole point just blow up?
Fat Shamz 11-05-2004, 05:54 PM Serious question...
How have I "crossed the line" by saying gays are not the same as being minority? Please do explain. It's my opinion. I'm starting to see that you left wingers on this site can be as fanatical as the right wingers like tech9ne.
I can make a strong case for gay sex being unnatural NOT on relgious grounds but on science.
This is a fact, and the Center for Disease Control (a non partisan government agency) backs me up.
AIDS is transmitted because of men who have sex with men, or by women who have sex with men who had sex with men. There's no debate about this. It's medically true.
If you force me to dig into my research and find the exact numbers, and quote the CDC spokesman who confirmed this I will.
So my rationale is, if men banging men in the buttcheeks is a main criteria for spreading AIDS, whhat is so "across the line" about saying it? Because it sounds insensitive. It's true!
theres only one question i ask myself after reading ur pathetic piles of crap. "Do i really care?" i mean, has there ever been a thread/post which u have put up that DOESNT express ur inner anger or watever it is u show towards others? u gotta learn to respect people man. ur not so perfect urself u know. and what is it that ur trying to say in this thread? that u hate gays for spreading aids and having sex? it almost sounds as stupid as smoeone saying "i hate fat people because they use up normal peoples oxygen and there the first ones to get the special deals at the grocery stores".
i dont care if ur gay or not, but jus cos other men dont wanna get with u dont mean u gotta hate them. :D
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 05:55 PM I'm talking about AIDS and how it's transmitted. The key component is a BISEXUAL male. Therefore, the practice of man on man sex is unnatural.
You're not using the word "natural" correctly.
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 05:57 PM I'm going to respond just because you named me personally.
I have seen people get banned from this site for racist ****, then I see you make a thread centered around bashing gays. To me prejudice is prejudice whether your talking about people of a different skin color, sex, religion, or whatever, its all bull**** to me. I don't really give a **** what you say because we all know your a dumbass. What I wanted to know was is it cool to bash gays, but wrong to bash people because of race on Boxingscene. Obviously we don't have a double standard here since Rick locked your thread. I didn't petition Rick to do it, as far as I know he did it on his own.
Last time I che cked my history book, the US government didn't support enslaving gays, bring them to this country, beat them, torture them, rape them, deny them education and declare them "three-fifths" of a man. To my knowledge, gays weren't assassinated trying to get equal rights in this country nor did they march in Selma, Alabama and got spit on abused by citizens who were supported by a government whose policy was genocide (I'm sure some of them were queer, but it wasn't an organized effort).
To compare the plight of gays in this country to black people is sinful.
Discrimination may be discrimination no matter what, but don't make that comparison. Gays as a political group has more support and a much kinder environment to come out than blacks did in the old days. Gays may not be able to marry, but they still have it good in comparsion.
It's disrespectful and YOU have crossed the line. I'm forwarding this message of yours to the NAACP! LOL!
makes me think ... did you all notice that although they cant have children there is more and more gays ?
now that s weird ...
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:00 PM theres only one question i ask myself after reading ur pathetic piles of crap. "Do i really care?" i mean, has there ever been a thread/post which u have put up that DOESNT express ur inner anger or watever it is u show towards others? u gotta learn to respect people man. ur not so perfect urself u know. and what is it that ur trying to say in this thread? that u hate gays for spreading aids and having sex? it almost sounds as stupid as smoeone saying "i hate fat people because they use up normal peoples oxygen and there the first ones to get the special deals at the grocery stores".
i dont care if ur gay or not, but jus cos other men dont wanna get with u dont mean u gotta hate them. :D
Where did I say I hated gays?
It's amazing how you make a post for "intelligent" discussion, and somehow you liberals call it a "hate" speech. I'm asking a basic question based on logic and rationale. If you disagree, fine, but tell me where I'm wrong in my view and how so?
You don't read my post clearly, then instead you bash me as being hateful without ever digesting my point. you can question the status of gays in this country without being a hater.
I can question the relevance of gthe NAACP in this country or Jesse jackson can't I? Or will all of you jump on me and call me "racist."
If I question USA policy towards Israel, I'm sure I'd be called an anti Semite even if I base it on sound principles that demonstrate understanding of the region.
Amazing.
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:03 PM you've ignored my probing how "logical" your whole argument is.
Define "natural"
Describe how the spreading of disease can be linked to "nature"
And what greater chance monogamous same-sex couples wanting to marry have at spreading disease than promiscuous straight singles - cause after all, isn't that where this came from? Gay marriage?
Fat Shamz 11-05-2004, 06:03 PM Where did I say I hated gays?
It's amazing how you make a post for "intelligent" discussion, and somehow you liberals call it a "hate" speech. I'm asking a basic question based on logic and rationale. If you disagree, fine, but tell me where I'm wrong in my view and how so?
You don't read my post clearly, then instead you bash me as being hateful without ever digesting my point. you can question the status of gays in this country without being a hater.
I can question the relevance of gthe NAACP in this country or Jesse jackson can't I? Or will all of you jump on me and call me "racist."
If I question USA policy towards Israel, I'm sure I'd be called an anti Semite even if I base it on sound principles that demonstrate understanding of the region.
Amazing.
its weird how u feel so strongly about ur views and opinions but only seem to take them up in a boxing forum. how the hell do you find the time.
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:04 PM its weird how u feel so strongly about ur views and opinions but only seem to take them up in a boxing forum. how the hell do you find the time.
Way to duck and dodge the questions and issues I raise about your bandwagon hater-ism of my post
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:05 PM I also remember Mr. Willy at one point talking about having sex with a "trannie".
I suppose it could have been a post-op but most likely Willy has engaged in this "unnatural" act as well.
Guess that's okay for fun but not for a relationship, huh Will?
Fat Shamz 11-05-2004, 06:08 PM Way to duck and dodge the questions and issues I raise about your bandwagon hater-ism of my post
i must admit man, u really did get me there, u totally shut me up, i have nothing else to say.
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:10 PM I also remember Mr. Willy at one point talking about having sex with a "trannie".
I suppose it could have been a post-op but most likely Willy has engaged in this "unnatural" act as well.
Guess that's okay for fun but not for a relationship, huh Will?
Getting head from a post op is not the same thing. It's a woman then.
Besides I was talking about a friend not myself
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:12 PM I talk about friends in the first person too.
Your stories are getting all mixed up
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:13 PM so what of girl/girl gay relationships? Your AIDS argument is very weak now...
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:13 PM you've ignored my probing how "logical" your whole argument is.
Define "natural"
Describe how the spreading of disease can be linked to "nature"
And what greater chance monogamous same-sex couples wanting to marry have at spreading disease than promiscuous straight singles - cause after all, isn't that where this came from? Gay marriage?
No. Gay marriage is not the issue. Gay marriage would be good in terms of stopping the disease. I dont care if gays are allowed to marry. The "institution" of marriage in this country is a joke anyway. We've got reality shows that trivialize marrige. that's conservative bull****.
My who claim of being "unnatural" is that the CDC can't find any cases of HIV spreading from heterosexual sex. Only when drug IV users, transfusions and people who have bisexual (man to man sex).
What does that tell you? Something about the genetic code and man on man sex causes a retardtion in the body's composition. Therefore, it's my conclusion it's unnatural.
The act of men marrying men or women marrying women? I don't care.
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:14 PM AIDS came about in the 80s. Gay men have been banging each other since BC.
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:15 PM so what of girl/girl gay relationships? Your AIDS argument is very weak now...
Girl on girl sex has never produced a case of AIDS. Why? Because AIDS is transmitted primiarly through sex anally. You have a 85% greater chance of contracting AIDS from an infect person though anal sexm -- how gay guys have sex.
Women who contract it from other women usually have had sex with a bisexual man at some point.
Again, not my opinion. CDC says so
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:17 PM so girl on girl sex between two virgins is "natural" according to that argument
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:19 PM so girl on girl sex between two virgins is "natural" according to that argument
yes. women are bisexual by nature.
why else do they call each other "my girlfriend" and dance with each other at bars and hug and kiss all the time.
When someone asks you, whose that, and you're straight, do you say, "that's my boyfriend Hal?"
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:19 PM and two guys who are virgins having gay sex is natural because there's no chance of disease?
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:20 PM yes. women are bisexual by nature.
why else do they call each other "my girlfriend" and dance with each other at bars and hug and kiss all the time.
When someone asks you, whose that, and you're straight, do you say, "that's my boyfriend Hal?"
more hard science.
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:21 PM and two guys who are virgins having gay sex is natural because there's no chance of disease?
No. Tear the anal walls during sex, you got AIDS. When the same chromosomes mix, you get AIDS. Even if a bunch of guys are clean, yuou put them in a room and they have sex with only each other for years, you'll have an AIDS break out.
Do that with heterosexuals, no AIDS
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:24 PM AIDS came about in the 80s. Gay men have been banging each other since BC.
And they were dying back then too. They just didnt know it was AIDS
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:25 PM more hard science.
No that's just my personal theory. No science whatsoever. Prove my point wrong? All you're done is cast doubt. Provided nothing
neils7147933 11-05-2004, 06:28 PM No that's just my personal theory. No science whatsoever. Prove my point wrong? All you're done is cast doubt. Provided nothing
So you're argument should be "anal sex is unnatural" , not "gay sex" because "gay sex" includes gay men and lesbians and because many straight women do anal.
I just wanted to get to the bottom of your opinion. Apparently your problem is not with gays. Maybe you shouldn't have worded your topic to make it seem like you did.
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:30 PM AIDS came about in the 80s. Gay men have been banging each other since BC.
Part of the problem is many have bought the garbage the left wing media has fed you about AIDS being "anybody's disease" and that "anybody can get it."
it's true. Anybody can be struck by lightning too. Rarely happens though.
I can't remember the name of this 80s gay activist. he's dead now, of AIDS of course. But he gave an interview on 60 minutes about how public opinion and more importantly research dollars have been mis directed about AIDS.
By trying to include everyone in this we are the world philosophy that any of us could get AIDS, the monies were funded to schools and programs for heterosexuals and people who were the lowest risk to contract AIDS.
Meanwhile, the gay community got about 10% of that money while they had 90% of the cases.
This is what political correctness has done to our country and society. To question anything, especially about a group of people such as gays, blacks, jews, whites you're automatically branded as a "hater" and no one listens to a word that is said.
Which is basically this country's problem and why it's going straight to hell in the next 4 years. You all have done a great job, liberal apologist and conservative schizos, in ruining the whole idea of free speech and public discourse.
Conrgrats! :D
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:31 PM So you're argument should be "anal sex is unnatural" , not "gay sex" because "gay sex" includes gay men and lesbians and because many straight women do anal.
I just wanted to get to the bottom of your opinion. Apparently your problem is not with gays. Maybe you shouldn't have worded your topic to make it seem like you did.
Perhpas. I dont hate gays. But Even a man is more likely to get AIDS from a woman through anal sex, if she has the disease.
abdiel2k3 11-05-2004, 06:32 PM BOXINGSCENE
what part of that is not understood
boxing
come here to discuss your boxing opinion
its ok to talk bout other **** too
but wtf lets stop the politcal and religous and crap like this
talk
PLEASE
I BEG OF THEEEEE
Sweet Dick Willy 11-05-2004, 06:33 PM This is the LOUNGE...for nonboxing talk.. Go to the nonstop boxing section if you wanna talk about your homo hero De la Faker
phallus 11-05-2004, 09:09 PM damn, Sweet meat, i've finally found somebody who has more negative
points than me!
... Whoever compared being gay to being black, i'd just like to point out that gays CAN hide their gayness, blacks can't hide their blackness.
**** man, the big question is, is there a biological reason for gays? we may never know
tracylee 11-05-2004, 09:30 PM I also remember Mr. Willy at one point talking about having sex with a "trannie".
I suppose it could have been a post-op but most likely Willy has engaged in this "unnatural" act as well.
Guess that's okay for fun but not for a relationship, huh Will?
:D :D :D .....love it! Hmmmm, looks like this thread is going real well for you huh willy??
tracylee 11-05-2004, 09:34 PM yes. women are bisexual by nature.
why else do they call each other "my girlfriend" and dance with each other at bars and hug and kiss all the time.
When someone asks you, whose that, and you're straight, do you say, "that's my boyfriend Hal?"
NOw I can personally say that is a crock of ****....PERIOD. I've never even considered the option of laying with another female and know many other that feel the same way about it, as in it's disgusting. If youre gonna speak for the public in general, you might want to leave women out of it. You dont understand a thing about us, let alone what we mean by the phrase "girlfriend" :rolleyes:
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