Take him off, push Gerrard into the middle and bring on Wright Phillips or Joe Cole, someone who is actually going to do something beside hoof the ball straight to anyone wearing blue!

Garbage ****ing ****.

Did I ****ing call it or what?

Oh and Ashley Cole is ****.

Ashely cole aint all that but we have no one better.

As for Barry, Hargreaves and Carrick are injured.

When are Ashley Young and Agbonlahor going to get a chance.

Heskey **** me is that the best we can do?.

When are Ashley Young and Agbonlahor going to get a chance.



Great call.

Villa have some talent.

Ashely cole aint all that but we have no one better.

As for Barry, Hargreaves and Carrick are injured.

Wayne Bridge isn't as quick but he's far more consistent. The trouble with Cole is that he's **** but he thinks he's ****ing Pele. **** players are OK if they know their limits.

Is it just me or is Wright-Phillips' entire game based on looking like he's going to fall over but somehow staying on his feet and keeping possession?

Wayne Bridge isn't as quick but he's far more consistent. The trouble with Cole is that he's **** but he thinks he's ****ing Pele. **** players are OK if they know their limits.

Is it just me or is Wright-Phillips' entire game based on looking like he's going to fall over but somehow staying on his feet and keeping possession?

Yeah, Cole doesn't really know his limits, and probably think he's up there with the likes of a prime Roberto Carolos and Cafu. He's got a piss poor attack game, and his defense isn't amazing.

Patrice Evra hands down owns him.

Wright Phillips should be banned from England for going to chelsea, and then crawling back to City. He's not even the one of Englan's best Wingers/ Wide men;

List of those who are better; Beckham, Walcott, Young, Cole, Bentley, Downing on a rare good day. I'd even rather have Hargreaves RM or Gerrard!

Wright Phillips was alright today. He can't play football, which is to say that he's extremely effective but not very pretty to look at. He gets results while other (better) players struggle.

Walcott is OK, Cole is good but is more flash than substance, Downing I like for the left, Bentley never does anything worth a damn and Beckham is OK to come off the bench and change the pace of play.

As for Barry, Hargreaves and Carrick are injured.

My question is why are we playing with a holding midfielder against ****ing Kazakhstan? "Ooh ****ing hell, we need a defensive midfielder to shield the back four from their overwhelming ****ing onslaught!". They were **** and only managed to put away one of the three absolute gifts England gave to them. Anyone good would have ****ing killed us today. Killed us.

When are Ashley Young and Agbonlahor going to get a chance.

Heskey **** me is that the best we can do?.

Did you miss something here?

Heskey is no where near a world class player but he allows those that are to work. Its called building a team rather than having a load of individuals.

Notice that when he plays England actually win games, why? Because he is a foil for the forward line and is an unselfish team player.

Take him off, push Gerrard into the middle and bring on Wright Phillips or Joe Cole, someone who is actually going to do something beside hoof the ball straight to anyone wearing blue!

Garbage ****ing ****.

i disagree squealpiggy ill bet if you look at pass completion stats over the last 5 games Barry has a higher% than Gerrard or Lampard i think he is an inegral part of the team in that postion he is playing

i knew England would struggle when Barry went of and he went to a 4 man midfield with Gerrard and Lampard cause they give the ball away to much Gerrard is more guilty than Lampard aswell he hits glory balls allthough while and surrenders possesion

i disagree squealpiggy ill bet if you look at pass completion stats over the last 5 games Barry has a higher% than Gerrard or Lampard i think he is an inegral part of the team in that postion he is playing

i knew England would struggle when Barry went of and he went to a 4 man midfield with Gerrard and Lampard cause they give the ball away to much Gerrard is more guilty than Lampard aswell he hits glory balls allthough while and surrenders possesion

I'm with you. If you forget who has won awards for their clubs and look only at the performances of the national team, it's hard to argue for keeping both Gerrard and Lampard in.

we had all these stats before tha game win % with and without Gerrard and Lampard in the team and win % when paired together

what we did not get was pass completetion rate that is a better gauge of how good they are in an England shirt

i would love to see these stats

I used to think Brazil had it worse with their inability to play Ronaldinho and Kaka together. But that has resolved itself quickly, and England still can't figure out how to line up.

I used to think Brazil had it worse with their inability to play Ronaldinho and Kaka together. But that has resolved itself quickly, and England still can't figure out how to line up.

kayjay

did you notice Roony,Lampard,Gerrad all trying to ccupy the same position in the first half we have to many number 8 / number 10 in the team

Joe Cole is probably a natrual number 10 aswell

kayjay

did you notice Roony,Lampard,Gerrad all trying to ccupy the same position in the first half we have to many number 8 / number 10 in the team

Joe Cole is probably a natrual number 10 aswell

At least Joe Cole adapts himself to the team. He's not used to having his way, and had to learn with Chelsea four years ago that he has to fit in to get in the game.

You have a point, in that even one of Gerrard or Lampard will make an awkward pair with Rooney, but if you put all three on it looks ridiculous

At least Joe Cole adapts himself to the team. He's not used to having his way, and had to learn with Chelsea four years ago that he has to fit in to get in the game.

You have a point, in that even one of Gerrard or Lampard will make an awkward pair with Rooney, but if you put all three on it looks ridiculous

yeah agreed

England struggle when ever they change formation and allthough its a not a good idea to get pigeon hole the players into one formation its a case of needs must with England cause they do not adapt well to formations for various reasons

i mean in Holland i dont think they pigeon hole their players into one postion and that IMO is one of many reasons why they are so comfortable when adapting to systems and they play nice fluid football interchangeing position etc ,i mean if you watch Arsenal they interchange position constantly i mean i think Van Persie started out as a winger ,Walcott a striker ,Toure has played everywhere i think RM,RB,CB,DMF,Henry a converted winger,Vieira from a strictly DMF to CMF/DMF who can push on

England players get pigeon holed into one position early in their career's IMO and along with inferior techniqe hence the tendency to give the ball away they become one dimmensional and disjointed as a team and that is probably why they look better with foriegn players around them

dont get me wrong like i always say Technique is not everything if it were Uruguay and other south american teams would be better than England as they are techinically flawless majority of the time

stick to 4-4-2 from now on we dont have the personel to change formation at the moment its a case of needs must

i disagree squealpiggy ill bet if you look at pass completion stats over the last 5 games Barry has a higher% than Gerrard or Lampard i think he is an inegral part of the team in that postion he is playing

i knew England would struggle when Barry went of and he went to a 4 man midfield with Gerrard and Lampard cause they give the ball away to much Gerrard is more guilty than Lampard aswell he hits glory balls allthough while and surrenders possesion

England didn't struggle, they scored five goals after Barry went off. Shouldn't have even played with a holding midfielder against a ****ty team when you're in need of a confidence boosting slaughterhouse like England were. Can you imagine playing the second half as negatively and winning 1-0? Or worse, drawing?

My solution for the England team is as follows: **** Lampard. When they change the object of the game from scoring goals to kicking the ball at the corner flag then Lampard can get it done in an England shirt. Until then drop him. I'd play Gerrard in a more central role, Wright Phillips on the right, Downing on the left and Joe Cole playing behind the strikers in a free role. Up front I'd have Rooney and **** knows who. We don't have any target men any more apart from Heskey and Crouch. ****ing Crouch. Wow. I never thought I'd see an England team short of attacking options.

The other thing I'm wondering about is why is Wes Brown the first choice at right-back? Did Gary Neville die or something? Haha Gary Neville. I'd play Richards at right back, he's strong, fast, can score goals from set pieces and works hard. I suppose Ferdinand and Terry can stay at centre half and Ashley Cole gets dropped like it's hot for Wayne Bridge who doesn't attempt to do things beyond his ability.

But bear in mind one thing: England are ****. They've always been ****. In 1966 we were ****, but we somehow won the World Cup. The best team we ever had was in 1986 and we were ****. Actually maybe 1990 was a good side as well. But still ****.

So ****ness is not necessarily a barrier to success.

yeah agreed

England struggle when ever they change formation and allthough its a not a good idea to get pigeon hole the players into one formation its a case of needs must with England cause they do not adapt well to formations for various reasons

i mean in Holland i dont think they pigeon hole their players into one postion and that IMO is one of many reasons why they are so comfortable when adapting to systems and they play nice fluid football interchangeing position etc ,i mean if you watch Arsenal they interchange position constantly i mean i think Van Persie started out as a winger ,Walcott a striker ,Toure has played everywhere i think RM,RB,CB,DMF,Henry a converted winger,Vieira from a strictly DMF to CMF/DMF who can push on

England players get pigeon holed into one position early in their career's IMO and along with inferior techniqe hence the tendency to give the ball away they become one dimmensional and disjointed as a team and that is probably why they look better with foriegn players around them

dont get me wrong like i always say Technique is not everything if it were Uruguay and other south american teams would be better than England as they are techinically flawless majority of the time

stick to 4-4-2 from now on we dont have the personel to change formation at the moment its a case of needs must

I think the biggest barrier to England right now is players that think that their position in the England side is wrapped up and delivered by three wise men at christmas. Drop Lampard and maybe Gerrard will get his arse in gear. If he doesn't, ****ing drop him. If you look at the ****tiest laziest players on the field for England it's the guys who are always in the side when they are fit. If you look at the hardest working players, the ones who at least attempt to make an impact they're the guys who know full well their place is not assured.

England didn't struggle, they scored five goals after Barry went off. Shouldn't have even played with a holding midfielder against a ****ty team when you're in need of a confidence boosting slaughterhouse like England were. Can you imagine playing the second half as negatively and winning 1-0? Or worse, drawing?

My solution for the England team is as follows: **** Lampard. When they change the object of the game from scoring goals to kicking the ball at the corner flag then Lampard can get it done in an England shirt. Until then drop him. I'd play Gerrard in a more central role, Wright Phillips on the right, Downing on the left and Joe Cole playing behind the strikers in a free role. Up front I'd have Rooney and **** knows who. We don't have any target men any more apart from Heskey and Crouch. ****ing Crouch. Wow. I never thought I'd see an England team short of attacking options.

The other thing I'm wondering about is why is Wes Brown the first choice at right-back? Did Gary Neville die or something? Haha Gary Neville. I'd play Richards at right back, he's strong, fast, can score goals from set pieces and works hard. I suppose Ferdinand and Terry can stay at centre half and Ashley Cole gets dropped like it's hot for Wayne Bridge who doesn't attempt to do things beyond his ability.

But bear in mind one thing: England are ****. They've always been ****. In 1966 we were ****, but we somehow won the World Cup. The best team we ever had was in 1986 and we were ****. Actually maybe 1990 was a good side as well. But still ****.

So ****ness is not necessarily a barrier to success.

I think the biggest barrier to England right now is players that think that their position in the England side is wrapped up and delivered by three wise men at christmas. Drop Lampard and maybe Gerrard will get his arse in gear. If he doesn't, ****ing drop him. If you look at the ****tiest laziest players on the field for England it's the guys who are always in the side when they are fit. If you look at the hardest working players, the ones who at least attempt to make an impact they're the guys who know full well their place is not assured.


squealpiggy lets be fair the scoreline flattered them and they looked more open at that back when Barry went off IMO

I would of settled for 1/2 nil if England controlled the game better TBH we should not need a DMF against Khaz in theory but the reallity is we do because Lamps and Gerrard dont keep possesion of the football enough ,they dont keep the ball and take the sting out the game they keep gving it back to the oposition and encouraging them to come at us

i think Gerrard needs to get to grips with Fabio's game plan cause against Croatia when he did not play England kept the ball a lot better and they did not give it away cheaply but the other day i saw Gerrard pinging 50/ /60 yard glory balls outt a play great player but he is to direct sometimes and when the team is under preassure those 50/60 passes dont help at all, at least Lampard keeps it simple when we are looking to kill the game off Gerrard is looking for give a go's all the while even when England are leading

killing the game off is what England are poor at how many times have Englad took the lead in recent years and ended up losing it because they only no one way to play attack attack attack

i dont agree with Fabio seletction's either but i supose if we are winning games ill give him the benefit of the doubt

i agree with dropping one of them im not to fussed TBH because as good as Gerrard is he is one of the main culprits for giving the ball away and if we play him on the left we have not pace or width cause J Cole is not a winger really either .Lampard or Gerrard not both

4-4-2 has to be the formation though IMO

squealpiggy lets be fair the scoreline flattered them and they looked more open at that back when Barry went off IMO

But they did at least threaten (and scored twice before conceding). Barry made England secure in the back. Against Kazakhstan! Do you think he'd have the same effect against Portugal or Germany or Argentina?

I would of settled for 1/2 nil if England controlled the game better TBH we should not need a DMF against Khaz in theory but the reallity is we do because Lamps and Gerrard dont keep possesion of the football enough ,

But against the Borats they didn't give the ball away much. This was largely because Gareth Barry was doing it first. I just happen to think that Gareth Barry is too **** to play for England and if Hargreaves and Carrick (!) are injured then maybe he can get a game but only because Joey Barton is suspended. Yes, Joey Barton. Gareth Barry is that bad.

they dont keep the ball and take the sting out the game they keep gving it back to the oposition and encouraging them to come at us

The way I see it you have two options regarding poor defence: You can either tighten it up or you can focus more on attack and rely on scoring more goals than your opponents. Gareth Barry is the third choice: Take away an attacking option while not contributing that much defensively. I said it before and it's true: If England feel they NEED to shore up the defence against Kazakhstan they aren't good enough. England should have run riot against them and following the half they pretty much did (apart from a couple of dull witted defensive errors caused by having a left-back who is much ****ter than he realises).

i think Gerrard needs to get to grips with Fabio's game plan cause against Croatia when he did not play England kept the ball a lot better and they did not give it away cheaply but the other day i saw Gerrard pinging 50/ /60 yard glory balls outt a play great player but he is to direct sometimes and when the team is under preassure those 50/60 passes dont help at all, at least Lampard keeps it simple when we are looking to kill the game off Gerrard is looking for give a go's all the while even when England are leading

You know you've convinced me. I think that Lampard should get the start over Gerrard. But they should never EVER be playing at the same time. They can't. **** this notion "You can't leave one of them out", yes you can! I noticed with Liverpool this season they looked like garbage in the first few games because they tried to play everything through Gerrard. When Gerrard was out there was a marked improvement. They used the flanks, they played it long to the font, the attacked through the middle. Then Gerrard comes back and it's short pass to Gerrard, Gerrard hoofs it diagonally into touch.

killing the game off is what England are poor at how many times have Englad took the lead in recent years and ended up losing it because they only no one way to play attack attack attack

Which is why I'm in favour of the "score as many goals as you want, we'll score at least one more" approach. Playing football has never been a good tactic for England, playing hoof and chase is always ore successful. Get a grip England. Who do you think you are? Hungary?

i dont agree with Fabio seletction's either but i supose if we are winning games ill give him the benefit of the doubt

Winning the group by a handy margin is the only acceptable result. The FIFA rankings may be bull**** but they effect competition seedings. We have to have a decent showing in 2010 to burst back into the top ten and tumbling down in the seedings. You think our group is tough? We could be in with France or Germany or Portugal, and then we'd be truly ****ed.

i agree with dropping one of them im not to fussed TBH because as good as Gerrard is he is one of the main culprits for giving the ball away and if we play him on the left we have not pace or width cause J Cole is not a winger really either .Lampard or Gerrard not both

4-4-2 has to be the formation though IMO

4-4-2 or some variation is indeed the way to go. But I think an attacking formation and mentality is the only hope against a good side. But that's why we need a centre forward who can score goals. Heskey may be an unselfish team player, but we need an unselfish team player that can score goals. We can't rely on runs from the midfield, what are we, Brazil or something?

But they did at least threaten (and scored twice before conceding). Barry made England secure in the back. Against Kazakhstan! Do you think he'd have the same effect against Portugal or Germany or Argentina?



But against the Borats they didn't give the ball away much. This was largely because Gareth Barry was doing it first. I just happen to think that Gareth Barry is too **** to play for England and if Hargreaves and Carrick (!) are injured then maybe he can get a game but only because Joey Barton is suspended. Yes, Joey Barton. Gareth Barry is that bad.



The way I see it you have two options regarding poor defence: You can either tighten it up or you can focus more on attack and rely on scoring more goals than your opponents. Gareth Barry is the third choice: Take away an attacking option while not contributing that much defensively. I said it before and it's true: If England feel they NEED to shore up the defence against Kazakhstan they aren't good enough. England should have run riot against them and following the half they pretty much did (apart from a couple of dull witted defensive errors caused by having a left-back who is much ****ter than he realises).



You know you've convinced me. I think that Lampard should get the start over Gerrard. But they should never EVER be playing at the same time. They can't. **** this notion "You can't leave one of them out", yes you can! I noticed with Liverpool this season they looked like garbage in the first few games because they tried to play everything through Gerrard. When Gerrard was out there was a marked improvement. They used the flanks, they played it long to the font, the attacked through the middle. Then Gerrard comes back and it's short pass to Gerrard, Gerrard hoofs it diagonally into touch.



Which is why I'm in favour of the "score as many goals as you want, we'll score at least one more" approach. Playing football has never been a good tactic for England, playing hoof and chase is always ore successful. Get a grip England. Who do you think you are? Hungary?



Winning the group by a handy margin is the only acceptable result. The FIFA rankings may be bull**** but they effect competition seedings. We have to have a decent showing in 2010 to burst back into the top ten and tumbling down in the seedings. You think our group is tough? We could be in with France or Germany or Portugal, and then we'd be truly ****ed.



4-4-2 or some variation is indeed the way to go. But I think an attacking formation and mentality is the only hope against a good side. But that's why we need a centre forward who can score goals. Heskey may be an unselfish team player, but we need an unselfish team player that can score goals. We can't rely on runs from the midfield, what are we, Brazil or something?



i dont think England had more going foward cause Barry went off though i believe they had more going foward cause they reverted to 4-4-2 England are always dangerous in a 4-4-2 even with Lampard and Gerrard in the middle but i think they are also more open defensively and i think we saw this played out when Barry went off

i think you are being a little harsh on Barry squealpiggy he is not the best by any means but he does a decent job IMO ,Hargreaves and Carrick,Barton could also do a job though agreed

but squealpiggy there is a way of playing where you are not a solid defensively but you keep better possesion of the football i mean England probably have the best back line in the Europe bar David James compared to teams like Holland,Spain,but they get exposed a little more cause England invite teams onto them by constantly giving the ball away Spain won the Euro and i dont think they have a great defence at all

Arsenal went to the Champions league final with ****-ing Senderos at the back but Arsenal keep the ball and dont invite teams onto them and when they do they counter attack quickly

Arsenal are absolute ****e at defending set peices but recently in open play they do not really get mugged off that much IMO because the Arsenal side keep the ball if you have got the ball the oposition cannot hurt you and i think Barry is in the team for his ability to pass the ball and put his foot in and IMO any team needs to be able to pass the ball through midfield no matter who you are playing

im not to concerned who is the centre as long as England keep the ball that is the priority for me

i agree to an extent squealpiggy you are completely right England are best at attacking but i think the problem is most of these tournament are in the summer in red hot climates you cant play that way in those conditions epecially when you are playing how many game in a matter of weeks you will be fatigued and that is why im for more of a measured aproach when need be it is a bit methodical and can be a bit boring to watch but its like a Boxing match the blood and guts warrior loses a lot of the time cause he wears his heart on his sleave and takes chances and fights with his heart not his head but ends up with a fat lip nose bleed and an L on his record

you are correct though we should have put Kaz to the sword and looked good doing it but i tend to think that was down to the change of formation rather than Barry

England need high intensity 4-4-2 against lesser sides and a more strategic aproach to beat the bigger sides a mix of both i supose ,a lot of what you said is correct Squeal we deffo play better at tempo and in a 4-4-2 i would just like us to be able to adapt a more patient aproach when need be to get past the bigger sides and that for me means keeping the ball and we need the right personel to do that means no Gerro,Lamps together

good debate Squeal

England players get pigeon holed into one position early in their career's IMO and along with inferior techniqe hence the tendency to give the ball away they become one dimmensional and disjointed as a team and that is probably why they look better with foriegn players around them


Insightful comment. I hadn't considered that exactly. There are exceptions, though. Cole adapts, as I said. Rooney has played several positions successfully, though you could argue he never really plays in any position well (he does his own thing too often). Gerrard has always adapted to the needs of Liverpool, including playing right back brilliantly against Milan in '05, moving instinctively to center-half whe Skrtel was injured against Man City, playing frequently on the right, etc. But again you could point out that the Alonsos of the world have always accommodated him in a manner than Lampard and other Englishman cannot.

I think the biggest barrier to England right now is players that think that their position in the England side is wrapped up and delivered by three wise men at christmas. Drop Lampard and maybe Gerrard will get his arse in gear. If he doesn't, ****ing drop him. If you look at the ****tiest laziest players on the field for England it's the guys who are always in the side when they are fit. If you look at the hardest working players, the ones who at least attempt to make an impact they're the guys who know full well their place is not assured.

Yes. And here the English media doesn't help. Those whose positions are too have all been built up into stars that they are not. Conversely I think England have more depth than the English media seem to give them credit for.

Insightful comment. I hadn't considered that exactly. There are exceptions, though. Cole adapts, as I said. Rooney has played several positions successfully, though you could argue he never really plays in any position well (he does his own thing too often). Gerrard has always adapted to the needs of Liverpool, including playing right back brilliantly against Milan in '05, moving instinctively to center-half whe Skrtel was injured against Man City, playing frequently on the right, etc. But again you could point out that the Alonsos of the world have always accommodated him in a manner than Lampard and other Englishman cannot.



Yes. And here the English media doesn't help. Those whose positions are too have all been built up into stars that they are not. Conversely I think England have more depth than the English media seem to give them credit for.

Agreed about the media. Regarding Gerrard, he just seems to care more about Liverpool, which really stinks.

He is **** enough to wear an england shirt just like heskey and rooney! Stevie G should retire from that bull**** and say **** you to the cunts.

Not as if the gang of losers will ever get anywhere. Vive Le France! We taught you bums how to play your own game:

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'' You're ****ing ****e and so is Keane'' says Makalele

He is **** enough to wear an england shirt just like heskey and rooney! Stevie G should retire from that bull**** and say **** you to the cunts.

Not as if the gang of losers will ever get anywhere. Vive Le France! We taught you bums how to play your own game:

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'' You're ****ing ****e and so is Keane'' says Makalele

They obviously didn't do a very good job of teaching us, we're still ****. Another French failure.

Insightful comment. I hadn't considered that exactly. There are exceptions, though. Cole adapts, as I said. Rooney has played several positions successfully, though you could argue he never really plays in any position well (he does his own thing too often). Gerrard has always adapted to the needs of Liverpool, including playing right back brilliantly against Milan in '05, moving instinctively to center-half whe Skrtel was injured against Man City, playing frequently on the right, etc. But again you could point out that the Alonsos of the world have always accommodated him in a manner than Lampard and other Englishman cannot.



Yes. And here the English media doesn't help. Those whose positions are too have all been built up into stars that they are not. Conversely I think England have more depth than the English media seem to give them credit for.



yeah Rooney and Cole are the two best technical players in the team aswell

yeah Rooney and Cole are the two best technical players in the team aswell

Cole has the best ball control, Rooney is a very typical English player. Tough, physical and aggressive. I like him even if he does play for the scum.

Cole's a decent player but I don't like him because my wife says he's "hot".

They obviously didn't do a very good job of teaching us, we're still ****. Another French failure.

'Taught them how to play' is a metaphor meaning you got outclassed. Now I really am teaching you about your own language, you illiterate Anglais chien uneducated chav bum on who claims dole and never logs off.

'Taught them how to play' is a metaphor meaning you got outclassed. Now I really am teaching you about your own language, you illiterate Anglais chien uneducated chav bum on who claims dole and never logs off.

A scouser complaining about dole scum? A Frenchman complaining about unwarranted government handouts?

Do they have irony in France or is it just something you don't do, like hygiene and bravery?

We introduced eau de toilette to clean up smelly europe. Don't talk to me about hygeins you smelly chav scum, english people do not wash their hands after toilet which is why they found 20 samples of urine in a bowl of peanuts in english bars compared to 1 english tourist in a parisian bar!

And it's not your claiming dole that is the problem, just the fatc that you never log out ye sad bastardo.

We introduced eau de toilette to clean up smelly europe. Don't talk to me about hygeins you smelly chav scum, english people do not wash their hands after toilet which is why they found 20 samples of urine in a bowl of peanuts in english bars compared to 1 english tourist in a parisian bar!

And it's not your claiming dole that is the problem, just the fatc that you never log out ye sad bastardo.

Eau de Toilette means "toilet water". Trust the French to invent a concept in which you put water from the toilet onto yourself in order to smell better.

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Cole has the best ball control, Rooney is a very typical English player. Tough, physical and aggressive. I like him even if he does play for the scum.

Cole's a decent player but I don't like him because my wife says he's "hot".

Rooney looks like a "typical English player," but he's got a genuine egg touch. He can do things with the ball that Cole can't. Cole is a solid second on England in terms of ball skill though.

Rooney looks like a "typical English player," but he's got a genuine egg touch. He can do things with the ball that Cole can't. Cole is a solid second on England in terms of ball skill though.

Not sure I agree with you there. Cole is a little Brazillian on the ball. In fairness, they can both do things the other cannot, but as for 'touch', I'd have to say Cole. Saying that though, Rooney does have an uncanny knack to bring a long ball both under control, and get past someone with just one touch.

Rooney looks like a "typical English player," but he's got a genuine egg touch. He can do things with the ball that Cole can't. Cole is a solid second on England in terms of ball skill though.

Cole occasionally falls into the trap of beating a player then letting him catch up so he can beat him a second, third and fourth time. But he is improving. Rooney is very direct. He's a good player, just wish he had a better knack for finding the goal.

ive never seen any English player who could pluck the ball outta the air with one touch and bring the ball under in an instant other than Wayne Rooney we saw this when he laid Theo's goal on a plate against Croatia it was a majestic touch IMO

how about his 1st prem goal against Arsenal he pulled the ball down out of the air instantly then spanked it into the top corner from 25 yards how about his volley against Toon 25 yards out the kid is like a force of nature when he is on form i love watching him play if only he could be more consistent

i remember him terrorising the French back four when England player France in 2004 after the game Henry was saying wow what a player

what about when he was terrorising Turkey they just could not handle him at all

ive never seen any English player who could pluck the ball outta the air with one touch and bring the ball under in an instant other than Wayne Rooney we saw this when he laid Theo's goal on a plate against Croatia it was a majestic touch IMO

how about his 1st prem goal against Arsenal he pulled the ball down out of the air instantly then spanked it into the top corner from 25 yards how about his volley against Toon 25 yards out the kid is like a force of nature when he is on form i love watching him play if only he could be more consistent

i remember him terrorising the French back four when England player France in 2004 after the game Henry was saying wow what a player

what about when he was terrorising Turkey they just could not handle him at all
We know what happened at the end of the 2004 game! LOL. Rooney was heading in the right direction back then. Moving to Manure so early ****ed him up IMO. If he stayed at Everton for a few more years he would have developed into a better goalscorer and finisher. A more rounded player, and more play would have gone through him. Even then he would have been no Didier Drogba, but not so far off either.