View Full Version : Kimbo-Petruzelli fight under investigation


1bad65
10-10-2008, 01:04 PM
"After repeated calls from ESPN.com, the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation -- which oversees the State Boxing Commission -- said Thursday that it has opened a preliminary investigation into the matter."

Full article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3634858

Napalm Death
10-10-2008, 01:27 PM
The fights fixed. that explains it all.

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-10-2008, 01:39 PM
The fights fixed. that explains it all.

Manipulated. The outcome isn't fixed, just the equation. And yes, that's still fixing.

But Florida doesn't give a **** (http://www.sportsline.com/mma/story/11014132) and are saying they're investigating just to get people off their backs. Even when the evidence is clear and recorded.

The MMA media thinks it's crap. The other promoters thinks its crap. Even NSAC thinks it's crap.

This needs constant pressure. While the Community are trying their best, it be great to get extra hands.

Mr. Ryan
10-10-2008, 03:39 PM
Wow, they went number one in the 18-34 demographic against college football. Damn them all to hell.

Palma
10-11-2008, 02:56 AM
What now!?

They are going to reverse the decision of the fight and Kimbo will come out with a clean record!

BS if you ask me.

Mech.
10-11-2008, 03:50 AM
Manipulated. The outcome isn't fixed, just the equation. And yes, that's still fixing.

But Florida doesn't give a **** (http://www.sportsline.com/mma/story/11014132) and are saying they're investigating just to get people off their backs. Even when the evidence is clear and recorded.

The MMA media thinks it's crap. The other promoters thinks its crap. Even NSAC thinks it's crap.

This needs constant pressure. While the Community are trying their best, it be great to get extra hands.

It already blew up in their faces. The only point in pursuing it further is if you really hate kimbo and dont want him to have a platform to comeback to. But that means a little less competition for the UFC , and a little less exposure for mma fighters outside of that organization.

Left2body
10-11-2008, 04:03 AM
I've been saying this crap for a while now. I'm not saying the fix the fights but they either A) Put guys that matchup badly against guys there attempting to make superstars or B) Making opponents fight to there opponents strength.

I said the same about another fighter of there's. Check out that old thread of mine.

But I believe that there is a backroom negotiation that disallows serious opponents from attempting takedowns on Cung Le........http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187615

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-11-2008, 09:30 AM
It already blew up in their faces. The only point in pursuing it further is if you really hate kimbo and dont want him to have a platform to comeback to. But that means a little less competition for the UFC , and a little less exposure for mma fighters outside of that organization.

No. The point in pursuing further is to make jackasses like the Shaws think twice before even starting a MMA promotion with unproven talent.

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-11-2008, 09:33 AM
I've been saying this crap for a while now. I'm not saying the fix the fights but they either A) Put guys that matchup badly against guys there attempting to make superstars or B) Making opponents fight to there opponents strength.

I said the same about another fighter of there's. Check out that old thread of mine.

STRIKEFORCE isn't owned by EliteXC. They just help them get shows on Showtime. The only thing "owned" by them is Frank Shamrock and Gina Carano.

And no one wants to go to the ground with Cung because he had wrestled in the past and was trained by Frank.

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-11-2008, 09:45 AM
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Savino
10-11-2008, 11:44 AM
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I have been waiting to hear from Dana and was'nt disapointed. he was spot on imo.

MJ406
10-11-2008, 12:01 PM
14 seconds Dana! it was a 14 second kayo.

but yeah minus all the profanity White is dead on

in past I've heard lots of rumblings about fights being fixed and didn't know the truth to them

but this investigation for EliteXC .. wow, really has to hurt the companies credibility and IMo puts that CBS deal in great doubt.

Left2body
10-11-2008, 03:15 PM
STRIKEFORCE isn't owned by EliteXC. They just help them get shows on Showtime. The only thing "owned" by them is Frank Shamrock and Gina Carano.

And no one wants to go to the ground with Cung because he had wrestled in the past and was trained by Frank.

It still applies, they are attempting to create a brand and a Marquee product (fighter). Kimbo, Gina Carrano, and Le are all attempts to make in-house superstars.

Also that don't want to take Le down because he is supposidly great on the ground is BS.

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-11-2008, 03:25 PM
Cung Le isn't EliteXC. He's STRIKEFORCE.

And your arguement doesn't hold water anyway because most of the fights he had was against natural strikers. He stopped Sammy Morgan with a Liver Kick, got a body lock on Tony Frykland and beat his head into mush And He smashed Frank Shamrock's arm.

The only thing you can accuse him of is not engaging Frank on the ground because that would be a dumb thing to do.

Napalm Death
10-11-2008, 03:40 PM
A great speech by Dana White.

Dice
10-11-2008, 04:28 PM
rapper shaw jr lolool

Mr. Ryan
10-11-2008, 05:53 PM
Dana White is pretty much right there on most fronts. Still, this is a black eye for MMA.

MJ406
10-12-2008, 12:49 AM
oh yeah and the fact that the news is so public really doesn't help.

**since Dana refered to the one's f*cking up MMA as "boxing promoters" maybe it's a conspiracy to make MMA look bad.

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-12-2008, 01:25 AM
Is Shaw really that F*cking smart?

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-12-2008, 10:58 AM
The Sports Media doesn't talk to people!
(http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/10/11/us-sports-media-weighs-in-on-elite-xc-scandal/)
It’s clear that UFC has every reason to be angry with the way this scandal is playing out in public. Most fight fans are smart enough to figure out what the deal is here, but UFC is going to have to protect its image with the average American who knows nothing about MMA. Because UFC has done such a good job of marketing the “UFC = MMA” equation, any sort of negative scandal will be used against them whether they are involved or not.

I realize UFC has two big shows coming up and they need to focus promoting those events. However, if the sports media continues to push this story further and further in the wrong direction, then UFC would be probably be well-advised to hold an official news conference to smarten up the media about what this ’stand-up’ scandal is really all about.

MJ406
10-12-2008, 01:34 PM
I honestly think this'll boil over and just wind up making EliteXC look bad .. rather then MMA as a whole

cuz even the average consumer .. if they've seen Kimbo's last 2 fights ... vs Thompson and Petrizelli would know that Kimbo Slice isn't this killing machine he's been hyped up to be

in the Thompson fight Kimbo spend a lot of time on the ground

and then there's his record, 3-0. so weather or not the "average" fan knows a great deal about Slice and or MMA

this scandal specifically applies to EliteXC and regards the controversy of paying an opponent to stand, to give the promotions star a greater chance at winning the fight

**hopefully fans can tell the difference, and the UFC's reputation doesn't suffer

because I obviously don't think they'd resort to something ridiculous/illegal such as paying an opponent to stand up.

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-14-2008, 03:12 PM
White looking to **** **** up.
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/10/ufcs-dana-white.html)
White railed at follow-up comments in The Times by former Elite XC executive (and current consultant) Gary Shaw, who said he wouldn't hesitate to direct a fighter to keep the bout standing up. "You're talking about a fan-friendly fight," Shaw said.

"That sport is kick-boxing, not MMA," White said. "What makes MMA so exciting is that anyone can win on any given day. Even a guy who's losing badly can pull a submission out ... and win. That's what's been going on in my sport for nine years, and it's why I love it.

"These guys are selling the sport because it's popular, but now they're trying to change the rules. ... If you think wrestling and jiu-jitsu is boring, you're in the wrong ... business, brother."

White proceeded to say Petruzelli's comments, which were later amended to say he was only referring to a knockout bonus he earned, deserve a criminal investigation, and a formal inquiry in all states where Elite XC has staged fights. White said if Florida requires a formal complaint to amplify its current probe, he will "look into" making one himself.

"This is illegal, these guys should go to jail for that," White said. "You could bet on this fight in Vegas. It's no secret Kimbo stinks on the ground. It's no secret Petruzelli should take him to the ground. But what you didn't know is that the scumbag promoter had told him not to.

"If this happened in Nevada, or if it happened with me, the FBI would be investigating it. If this thing does not get investigated properly, it's the biggest slap in the face to sports."

Stab Judah
10-18-2008, 09:40 AM
Either way the fight was total BS.
I loved seeing Kimbo ko'd and all but I didn't want it to be by a half assed falling front kick and a running away cross.