View Full Version : Boxing is will not help you in a street fight.


triggerhappy
10-09-2008, 10:39 AM
Non boxers always think that a boxer can win any street fight. This is bull**** because boxing is a controlled sport with rules as for street fighting anything goes. Do you boxers agree with me?

nedcmk1
10-09-2008, 10:46 AM
I disagree with you.

Although it i not the be all end all to streetfights as everyone always clais their martial art is, boxing will give you a huge advantage.

The biggest? You are used to getting punched in the fae and you won't cower when someone hits you and you'll hit them right back.

You will also be throwing punches with the proper leverage and technique at a much faster speed and pace.

Will you be catching and parrying? no

will you be working the body and throwing great combos? no

Will you be able to take a punch better then them? react and counter without being shocked? will your head stay clearer? will yu most likely be in much better shape? will you punch with ore accuracy and power? - 99% most likely

Alexis Vastine
10-09-2008, 10:48 AM
Apart from the fact that your knuckels are the hardest part of tyour hands, which are the fastest and most skillful part of your body, you are a true bum boy!!!

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triggerhappy
10-09-2008, 10:52 AM
Apart from the fact that your knuckels are the hardest part of tyour hands, which are the fastest and most skillful part of your body, you are a true bum boy!!!

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Its 4 on 1 so the 1 has the advantage

Alexis Vastine
10-09-2008, 10:58 AM
Lol, I see where you ar going with this. Funny guy check out the bruce Lee dude in a white shirt. you can see his kicks from this angle:

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'ENRY COOPER
10-09-2008, 12:38 PM
What you are saying is true to an extent.

That someone who is extremely ardbody and gets in bar brawls and streetfights on a regular basis is obviously going to be used to taking bare knuckle punches and will probably be more likely to use dirty fighting techniques that will leave a man chewing pavement.

At the same time, are you seriously telling me that somebody with no boxing experience is going to be more difficult to hit and evade than someone who boxes?

letsgobrady
10-09-2008, 12:44 PM
it depends on where you live at because over here in the bronx if someone starts cliching or tries to grab or slam the other man everyone will immediatly break it up and tell you to fight with the hands

Oriachim
10-09-2008, 12:54 PM
A person whos boxed to an extent will find street fights easier than a person whos NEVER trained a martial arts in there life. Generally its true, a good street fighter/mma fighter will destroy a good boxer as boxers can't use feet, can't use heads, elbows etc and have to follow simple rules.

TheBlackSwifty
10-09-2008, 01:07 PM
Non boxers always think that a boxer can win any street fight. This is bull**** because boxing is a controlled sport with rules as for street fighting anything goes. Do you boxers agree with me?

A boxer cant win ANY street fight but will win most against non boxers or other trained fighters in Martial Arts that do not practice full or semi-full contact sparring. Its timing and distance, the ability to hit with accuracy and take a hit will do it most of the time. A boxer isnt necessarily going to stick to boxing rules in a streetfight but if they do they usually still win anyway. If it goes to ground boxers have no advantage except fitness, fighting spirit and mental toughness, this also wins streetfights. Fitness to fight for a sustained period often wins streetfights, average bar fighter gasses out early. There are also many occasions that fighting skills will make no difference - bottle or brick to the back of the head etc.
Most boxers I have seen in streetfights usually win convincingly if it is a "fair" fight, but most brawls I see are usually not fair, or 1 on 1.

Oriachim
10-09-2008, 01:13 PM
A boxer cant win ANY street fight but will win most against non boxers or other trained fighters in Martial Arts that do not practice full or semi-full contact sparring. Its timing and distance, the ability to hit with accuracy and take a hit will do it most of the time. A boxer isnt necessarily going to stick to boxing rules in a streetfight but if they do they usually still win anyway. If it goes to ground boxers have no advantage except fitness, fighting spirit and mental toughness, this also wins streetfights. Fitness to fight for a sustained period often wins streetfights, average bar fighter gasses out early. There are also many occasions that fighting skills will make no difference - bottle or brick to the back of the head etc.
Most boxers I have seen in streetfights usually win convincingly if it is a "fair" fight, but most brawls I see are usually not fair, or 1 on 1.


exactly what I was trying to say, street fights aren't fair. it usually ends up on the floor, gang banged, dirty tactics etc that a boxer in a fair fight with rules is used to.

letsgobrady
10-09-2008, 01:14 PM
all you need is good takedown defense and thats it if a person can't take you to the ground and he can't beat you with the hands then it's over it's not that easy to take someone down most fights that end up like that are a bunch of people that don't know how to fight someone that actually knows how to fight is not going to let you take them down you can try but that doesn't mean that they will be succesful

TheBlackSwifty
10-09-2008, 01:17 PM
A person whos boxed to an extent will find street fights easier than a person whos NEVER trained a martial arts in there life. Generally its true, a good street fighter/mma fighter will destroy a good boxer as boxers can't use feet, can't use heads, elbows etc and have to follow simple rules.

a good street fighter/mma fighter will not destroy a good boxer thats garbage, what u saying the boxer wont be able to land a punch ever?
I box but practice elbows and palm strikes too! if it goes to ground though its a different story, but in MMA u cant eye gouge or go for the balls either, and the second option is a very effective tactic if it goes to ground.

TheBlackSwifty
10-09-2008, 01:22 PM
exactly what I was trying to say, street fights aren't fair. it usually ends up on the floor, gang banged, dirty tactics etc that a boxer in a fair fight with rules is used to.

True but a trained MMa guy or street fighter also can get f$%&d over when its not fair, dont matter how good u are

!! AI-Holmes!!
10-09-2008, 01:27 PM
When you're in a street fight you want to have all the advantages, knowing how to properly throw punches and avoid his punches will certainly help you a whole bunch..

TheBlackSwifty
10-09-2008, 01:32 PM
When you're in a street fight you want to have all the advantages, knowing how to properly throw punches and avoid his punches will certainly help you a whole bunch..

How can that chick make her tits move like that without stopping, Ive been watching them for the last 10 minutes and they're still movin!!

!! AI-Holmes!!
10-09-2008, 01:37 PM
How can that chick make her tits move like that without stopping, Ive been watching them for the last 10 minutes and they're still movin!!
She had a red bull and a couple of shots of vodka ..
It's a ten second gif that just restarts over and over again.

Flawless 2
10-09-2008, 01:45 PM
Of course it will help you. Boxer punches are faster and more powerful. Most average Joe when they fight never aim at the chin. If a boxer get the first shots it and are pretty good. The fight is already over

anonymousboxing
10-09-2008, 02:08 PM
This girl used a weapon in her street fight, but
the confidence, courage, and endurance that Boxing gave her was enough to stand up to a buglar ...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa3_1207815890






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!! Shawn
10-09-2008, 03:26 PM
exactly what I was trying to say, street fights aren't fair. it usually ends up on the floor, gang banged, dirty tactics etc that a boxer in a fair fight with rules is used to.

That is faulty logic. Street fights between two unskilled untrained people end up on the ground. Since most people are unskilled untrained people, that's how things usually go down.

Most untrained people can't punch for ****, and they don't react well to getting hit. They telegraph their punches, and are slow.

A boxer has the advantage because our punches are short, fast, hard, and accurate. We have been trained how to react when punches are being thrown at us, and we can usually end the street fight within the first few punches.

People like to pretend that all street fights a boxer would be in take place between a boxer and some skilled grappler. That's not how it works.

Viktor777
10-09-2008, 03:36 PM
Its 4 on 1 so the 1 has the advantage

Are you ****ing retarted.

KostyaTszyu44
10-09-2008, 06:06 PM
of course a boxer has an excellent chance in a streetfight

most people, even guys who constantly fight on the streets still cant take a punch as well as a boxer can

our punches would be harder,faster, waaay more accurate,

we're in better condition

and we're not bound rules in the street, most boxer know how to foul and pull dirty tricks anyways if needed, and as for martial arts guys, kicking does **** all in a streetfight unless you are kicking a guy on the ground

and a punch is easier and faster to land than a wrestling move

and plus there are lots of things you cant predict in street fights, like if people break it up....

i know at my school people will break it up if it goes on the ground and get the dudes to fight with their hands standing up, you look like a ****wit if you try and wrestle someone

sugarshanenas
10-09-2008, 08:48 PM
who said the boxer is gonna try to box someone in a street fight

Danny Gunz
10-10-2008, 12:29 AM
A person whos boxed to an extent will find street fights easier than a person whos NEVER trained a martial arts in there life. Generally its true, a good street fighter/mma fighter will destroy a good boxer as boxers can't use feet, can't use heads, elbows etc and have to follow simple rules.

people always say that but i just say ok if anything goes in a streetfight when the kid takes you to the ground you can just knee him in the balls or headbutt his face or gouge his eyes.

Just cause someone knows how to wrestle on the ground doesnt mean he is gonna win any street fight

Alexis Vastine
10-10-2008, 12:37 AM
That someone who is extremely ardbody and gets in bar brawls and streetfights on a regular basis is obviously going to be used to taking bare knuckle punches and will probably be more likely to use dirty fighting techniques that will leave a man chewing pavement.


Not true. A boxer could easily do these 'dirty' tactics and have the advantage of boxing skills too. people seem to think that a brawler has some kinda special power in a streetfight over a boxer who is somehow still bound to the Queenbury Rules. Not true!

A bodyshot can easily be redirected to the groin, and once they are down a Steven Gerrard ping to the head is well in order. i seen so called 'hard brawlers' get dealt with a well timed jab, just like that kung fu guy gets dealt with in that vid. if any other form of fighting was better than boxing, then people are not dumb and boxing would not be numero uno.

KostyaTszyu44
10-10-2008, 06:39 PM
so called "streetfighters" cant really fight at all, they only look good against other streetfighters, a decent boxer would embarass them unless its two on one or hit from behind etc

paul750
10-10-2008, 06:45 PM
I've been around a couple of 'hard men' and one thing I've noticed is that these guys don't actually train in anything, they're just quite strong and have a fighting mentality. I sometimes wonder how they'd do against someone trained in boxing or whatever. Another thing you have to consider is mentality though. Some of these 'hard men' are used to fighting real fights from time to time, whereas a gym or dojo fighter may or may not have the sort of mentality needed in that situation.

j
10-10-2008, 11:41 PM
someone said knuckles are the hardest part of the had - wrong! u can break your knuckles on a persons face. the palm is the way to go for face strikes.

but, sticking to the subject, i would put my money more times than not on a boxer or martial artists winning a one on one fight. especially martial artists who train to **** people up and practice contact sparring - which is what i do.

i think, as long as a boxer doesn't only think in terms of boxing as a sport, then he would hold his own for sure.

j
10-10-2008, 11:44 PM
Not true. A boxer could easily do these 'dirty' tactics and have the advantage of boxing skills too. people seem to think that a brawler has some kinda special power in a streetfight over a boxer who is somehow still bound to the Queenbury Rules. Not true!

A bodyshot can easily be redirected to the groin, and once they are down a Steven Gerrard ping to the head is well in order. i seen so called 'hard brawlers' get dealt with a well timed jab, just like that kung fu guy gets dealt with in that vid. if any other form of fighting was better than boxing, then people are not dumb and boxing would not be numero uno.

if you are saying that boxing is the top form of fighting, get out more often!

puromexicano198
10-11-2008, 12:16 AM
Non boxers always think that a boxer can win any street fight. This is bull**** because boxing is a controlled sport with rules as for street fighting anything goes. Do you boxers agree with me?

You're wrong. Based off you comment you dont know much about fighting.

Boxing is a controlled sport when you have a referee and judges scoring you based off of what you do. Besides that the people watching if any. And your on a Ring. The two boxers are mentally and physically prepared prior to the fight. SO, they know prior and during the fight, the RULES..

But if a fight breaks out in anywhere, do you really think that boxer is going to care about rules???!!! Or is he going to tear the other guy up in 15 seconds or less with an endless supply of combinations and Kicks and knees and elbows. The boxer will probably go in to survival mode. COMMON SENSE.

BE REAL BE REAL.

Honestly I think you posted this in order to get points.

Peterp
10-11-2008, 02:11 AM
Neither Boxing, Muay Thai or MMA is anywhere near the same as a streetfight

Look at the rules common in all these sports, no eye gouges, no strikes to back of the head, no groin shots. no kicks to downed opponent. These make all the difference in a street fight.

But to say boxing won't help you in a streetfight is stupid. I know it's helped me. I've knocked off a few guys when pushed in streetfights

Just the engrained reflex of putting your hands up can save your life in a streetfight. I once had a bottle thrown at me (by accident actually, this girl was larking around and it slipped form her hand) and my reflex of putting my arms up meant the bottle hit my forearms and shattered harmlessly rather than breaking on my face !

My instructor is also one of our area's leading security experts and many guys in our gym work security so we do a lot of reality based training as well

but remember this

NO AMOUNT OF TRAINING WILL GUARANTEE YOU VICTORY IN A STREETFIGHT

way too many variables, friends, hidden weapons, lucky shots etc

Alexis Vastine
10-11-2008, 03:08 AM
someone said knuckles are the hardest part of the had - wrong! u can break your knuckles on a persons face. the palm is the way to go for face strikes.

but, sticking to the subject, i would put my money more times than not on a boxer or martial artists winning a one on one fight. especially martial artists who train to **** people up and practice contact sparring - which is what i do.

i think, as long as a boxer doesn't only think in terms of boxing as a sport, then he would hold his own for sure.Bull****. I seen them palm shots, you can't even crack a tortilla with them! You are right in the second paragraph. Even non-effective martial arts such as tae Kwon Do will give you an edge on the streets because you practice fighting regulalry. Most of the time they win on fitness alone. Even if they think of TWD, Boxing or whhatever they practice just as a sport, I still think they have the edge.

if you are saying that boxing is the top form of fighting, get out more often!
I'm not just saying it, I know it is from experience!

MaTTuP
10-11-2008, 10:07 AM
I will take the boxer over the streetfighter any day. I've seen a number of boxers really lay into other guys starting trouble. I think regardless of the situation, the hand speed is the biggest factor along with the boxing instincts of seeing punches coming from a mile away & knowing how to react.

Salty
10-11-2008, 11:12 AM
Exactly, you train your body and mind countless hours day in and day out to turn it into a weapon to ultimately harm another man. If that doesn't give you an advantage in a street fight nothing will.

Southpaw Stinger
10-11-2008, 11:21 AM
A man who gets in shape and learns to throw punchers properly with speed and power and learns to react to an opponents shots will have an advantage over some average street guy who thinks he's tough. In a street fight if you're the first to land a good hard shot chances are you will win since street fghts are brief.

j
10-11-2008, 11:56 PM
Bull****. I seen them palm shots, you can't even crack a tortilla with them! You are right in the second paragraph. Even non-effective martial arts such as tae Kwon Do will give you an edge on the streets because you practice fighting regulalry. Most of the time they win on fitness alone. Even if they think of TWD, Boxing or whhatever they practice just as a sport, I still think they have the edge.


I'm not just saying it, I know it is from experience!


wait, u have seen palm strikes??? have u ever been on the recieving end of one? and palm strikes from who?

need references? search for video on bas rutten.

for fighting, i don't think it just comes down to fitness. i think it comes down to trained fighting instinct a bit more. a person doesn't have to look like an olympic athlete to beat some ass.

of course anyone who trains in a contact sport will have some edge. and a person who trains in a fighting art/sport with contact work will have even more of an edge.

i would love to demo a palm strike for ya.

peace

Trrmo
10-12-2008, 08:41 AM
Palm stirkes are effective and you are less likely o damage your hand but a knuckle punch gives you a couple more inches reach, which can be the difference in the first moments of a streetfight. I like elbows too but a left hook works well against non boxers after a straight left or left right. If you are in close range to start with just one left hook can end a fight (worked for me on a couple of occasions)

j
10-13-2008, 03:07 AM
your right, palm strikes are safer for u. they also have the ability to cause more damage and transfer more force. i have been folded in half from a light palm strike to my liver from a high level fighter. that **** won't push u back, it sort of penetrates right into u.

in what i train, we like to use both. but really, it is best to use fist on soft parts of your opponent and palms on harder parts.