I’m definitely not a big fan of PacMan. But, putting a prime Hamed in the ring with today’s PacMan is an exciting offering.

I see PacMan winning, for a few very simple reasons that can be illustrated (partly) from the Hamed-Barrera fight. It’s not that you can compare Pac’s style with MAB, but you can definitely learn a few lessons about Hamed when you review that fight.

First, Hamed doesn’t like to get hit. MAB exposed the mental softness of Hamed, by simply fighting like MAB always fights ….. intensely, consistently, with heart. After MAB tagged hamed for the first time, Hamed must have thought “hey Mexican guy, don’t you know I’m The Prince, you’re not supposed to be hitting me like that. Didn’t you see my entrance?”. Most of Hamed’s opponents showed him respect, which they should have, but MAB decided to command respect, and Hamed **** his pants and lost his game plan when he saw MAB was gonna’ set the pace.

Fast forward to 2004 and bring a Prime Hamed with you. And assume that the Hamed-Barrera fight has never happened. Now put Pac in there with Hamed. What we get is a repeat of Hamed-MAB. Why? Because Hamed starts the fight “thinking” he’s going to beat this guy, but quickly figures out that he’s actually going to need to fight this guy to win. Hamed would see the pace being set at a very high level, and maintained there, while getting hit and not having PacMan backing down. Hamed, frustrated, begins throwing big lefts to end the fight quick, he forgets about countering and any other skill he brings, because he’s not able to control the fight/fighter in front of him.

Only difference is that Hamed gets KO’s in late rounds by a big left that doesn’t see at all. He retires and never fights again. Unless you count that guy from Spain, which is pretty much the same as never fighting again. Just kidding.

It really is too bad that Hamed’s skills, of which he possessed some, became overwhelmed by his arrogance. That killed the fighter in him. He lost heart against MAB, became much more soft in the head, and will never recover. His fight game is to beat-up guys, without getting bruised or banged. That’s not the fight that waits for him with PacMan.

Pac is good, but I dont think he is good enough to beat a prime Hamed. Hamed had a very good chin and is still the strongest guy at the weight. Manny would go to war and get knocked out. I dont think Manny has it in him to stay away from a slugfest.

Hard to say. That would have been a great match-up. But, I really thought MAB would school the Pac Man. I was wrong. I will not say anything negative about the Pacman. He needs to fight the Asian Sensation!!!!

I think there would be alot of knockdowns and may only last a couple round mind you very good rounds

sad to say the we can only speculate about the fight, but I never been really impressed by Hamed, Luisito Espinosa could have taken him out before Barerra if he had the chance or the luck, but that fight never happened....

My speculation PAC by KO....

they knock eachother out simultainiously....they both suck!!!!!!!!j/k

The Prince is the man in this case. One hit wounder Pacman wont cut it.

Luisito Espinosa could have taken him out before Barerra if he had the chance or the luck, but that fight never happened

Thats just a flat out joke.

Its a style nighmare for Pac. The way to beat Hamed is to lay back and fient making him come to you NOT to run in face first and reaching.

Hamed wins and wins easy

*sits back and waits for all the Pac lovers to say how Pac would destroy Hamed and anyone else in the history of the division*

they knock eachother out simultaiously....they both suck!!!!!!!!j/k

HA HA HA, LOL, I wish I can see one of those, but will never happen.....

Luisito Espinosa wouldn't have beaten Hamed.

Espinosa had problems with his chin...& Hamed would have gotten to that chin.


Hamed-Pac ?

Like Jose said...this is a rough style matchup for Manny on this one.
I wouldn't make Hamed a clear favorite...but I don't like the chances of someone as wreckless as Pac going up against Hamed's sneaky power shots.

Hard to say. That would have been a great match-up. But, I really thought MAB would school the Pac Man. I was wrong. I will not say anything negative about the Pacman. He needs to fight the Asian Sensation!!!!

seriously, The "one" god would not have an avatar like that nasty thing!

Naz was good at avoiding single punches, but I do not think he would be able to cope with Pac swarming in with punches flying from all angles.

Also, as he showed in the Kelley fight, his chin was a bit suspect.

I agree, that Espinosa remark doesn't really add much to this discussion.

Back to Barrera-Hamed. There's no question that soemthing very big happened to Hamed in that fight and he's never recovered. My thought was that Hamed's mental toughness (not his demonstrated power and one-punch counter) was lacking and that is enough to defeat any fighter against most opponents that show-up ready.

Hamed winning easy or Pac winning easy doesn't sound right. But, was does sound right is that Hamed was due to have his mental weakness exposed. It just happend to be Barrera that night. It could have been PacMan today.

I would love to see this fight, with reservations. If Hamed was seriously ready to commit (and I doubt he's ever been 100% committed) I would love to see him back in the ring, with anybody worthy.

The Prince had an ugly balance. You start moving around him and he'd tangle his feet. He had horrible technique but had the speed and power to make up for it. Pac's faster and can compte strengthwise. He's also better on his feet. If they get into a slugfest, Hamed sleeps. If Kelly knocked him down, Pac will knock him out.

Pac is good, but I dont think he is good enough to beat a prime Hamed. Hamed had a very good chin and is still the strongest guy at the weight. Manny would go to war and get knocked out. I dont think Manny has it in him to stay away from a slugfest.
Kevin Kelley knocked the Prince down three times, in three different rounds (1st, 2nd, 4th). His chin was suspect, I'm surprised MAB never dropped him. Pac destroys him.

they knock eachother out simultaiously....they both suck!!!!!!!!j/k
lmao.......classic

wrong Hameds chin is not suspect his balance is bad thats why he gets kn****ed down. You have never seen Hamed stubling around the ring on dream street.

Kelley only knocked Hamed down once the other two where because his glove touched the canvas.

Hmaed could take yopu out with either hand from any angle and from any punch

and please lets not act like Pac has an iron chin here. The guy has been KO'ed twice and had to hold on for dear life just to survive against Huessien.

wrong Hameds chin is not suspect his balance is bad thats why he gets kn****ed down. You have never seen Hamed stubling around the ring on dream street.

Kelley only knocked Hamed down once the other two where because his glove touched the canvas.

Hmaed could take yopu out with either hand from any angle and from any punch

and please lets not act like Pac has an iron chin here. The guy has been KO'ed twice and had to hold on for dear life just to survive against Huessien.
Nobody is saying Pac has an iron chin. I'm expressing my opinion. Also, the Prince was down twice, I remember the 2nd and 4th round KDs perfectly. I didn't see the first round because I got to the bar late but I remember the second and third ones and he was on the canvas.

There would be some madd clashing of heads in this fight, that's for sure.

Pacman Will Dominate And Knock Him Out Easily

Pacs speed would cause problems but Hameds mad style where he could hurt you with any shot from almost any angle i think would be enough to retain Pac, remember too Hamed was fast handed as well as being immensley powerful, he was physically very strong too and could man-handled alot of people, especially those coming up in weight. It's just his technique and balance sucked, his chin wasn't that bad really ( a bit dodgy) i think most of it was balance.

Nobody is saying Pac has an iron chin. I'm expressing my opinion. Also, the Prince was down twice, I remember the 2nd and 4th round KDs perfectly. I didn't see the first round because I got to the bar late but I remember the second and third ones and he was on the canvas.

There would be some madd clashing of heads in this fight, that's for sure.


No you dont remember them clearly. I have the fight. maybe the fact that you watched it at a bar has some effect on that. Hamed was on his back once and poped right back up in the first. The second and third were because his gloved touched the canvas.

munn how can you say what you did about naz not being able to fight when he gets hit??did you even watch the kelley fight???
and those that say naz has a suspect chin...did you watch the barerra fight?he got caught with brilliant punches from barerra but still stayed standing.
And since when did pac throw amazing punches from different angles as one of you said?all he has is a good one-two as we saw in the marquez fight.

Naz loves fighters who come forward,thats why going into the barerra fight he was the favourite,what put him off waas that barerra didnt come forward.
Pac is tailor-made for naz,an open fighter that steams forward. Naz would land easily and take the pac-man out no doubt within a few rounds,maybe gettin knocked down once or twice himself in the process.

Yeah, saw Naz-Kelley and cannot compare Kelley's "pressure" to that which Pac would bring. And, when I say "hit", I mean "hit" and then "hit" again, by a banger who keeps coming.

It's not impressive for Naz, when the best we can say about his Barrera performnace is the at he "got caught with brilliant punches from Barerra but still stayed standing". He could have used a few briliant punches himself that night. He had it in him, but he just lost his mental edge.

My point, once again, is this: Naz gets caught by a true pressure fighter (not kelley) who won't backdown, and his "will" is gone. He might not go down, but, just as important, something gives in his head!Wahtever happens in his mind keeps him from really opening-up and countering with combinations. Barrera reduced him to a one-punch man because he lost what mental toughness.

I won't discount Naz's skills, speed, one-punch counters and Ring Entrances. Their all pretty good. But the man left the game in a dramatic loss and has not returned, which is too bad.

In the end, I still figure that today's Pac could reduce Naz in the same way Barrera did. Pac would fight different from MAB, but the result would be the same and possibly a KO. I don't like to see Pac lean the way he does, but I still see his offence being faster than Naz's counters.

Barrera mainly knocks you out after slowly chewing you apart. It's either you can take his power or you can't. If you can as Hamed did, he would be tagged and hit in bad ways though not hurt too much or to get KOed. Manny obviously hits harder than Barrera so just take Hamed's reactions to Barrera's power and add some extra force into them and get Hamed's new reaction. Most likely he'll keep going down though who knows, would he have the heart as JMM to keep getting back up? Pacman is for real also, he'll break ur nose and keep going at it without backing down. I don't think Hamed could handle the firepower.

Yeah, saw Naz-Kelley and cannot compare Kelley's "pressure" to that which Pac would bring. And, when I say "hit", I mean "hit" and then "hit" again, by a banger who keeps coming.

It's not impressive for Naz, when the best we can say about his Barrera performnace is the at he "got caught with brilliant punches from Barerra but still stayed standing". He could have used a few briliant punches himself that night. He had it in him, but he just lost his mental edge.

My point, once again, is this: Naz gets caught by a true pressure fighter (not kelley) who won't backdown, and his "will" is gone. He might not go down, but, just as important, something gives in his head!Wahtever happens in his mind keeps him from really opening-up and countering with combinations. Barrera reduced him to a one-punch man because he lost what mental toughness.

I won't discount Naz's skills, speed, one-punch counters and Ring Entrances. Their all pretty good. But the man left the game in a dramatic loss and has not returned, which is too bad.

In the end, I still figure that today's Pac could reduce Naz in the same way Barrera did. Pac would fight different from MAB, but the result would be the same and possibly a KO. I don't like to see Pac lean the way he does, but I still see his offence being faster than Naz's counters.


pay attention

Naz eats pessure fights up. Pressuring him plays right into his hands

pay attention

Naz eats pessure fights up. Pressuring him plays right into his hands

Jose, would you consider MAB as "pressuring" Naz, or was he letting Naz come to him? Or did they satnd and go toe-to-toe. My recollection is the Naz did handle MAB's pressure too well. You might argue that MAB did most of his damage when countering, but I saw MAB moving forward alot. Seems that should have "played right into his hands".

Jose, would you consider MAB as "pressuring" Naz, or was he letting Naz come to him? Or did they satnd and go toe-to-toe. My recollection is the Naz did handle MAB's pressure too well. You might argue that MAB did most of his damage when countering, but I saw MAB moving forward alot. Seems that should have "played right into his hands".


are you kidding me?

MAB stayed back and fought an extreamly disacpline fight. Watch MAB's fights with McKinney and Morales then go watch his fight with Hamed its a 180.

I Had Posted This Match Up In The Thread Where It Belongs,like 2 Months Ago.

wrong Hameds chin is not suspect his balance is bad thats why he gets kn****ed down. You have never seen Hamed stubling around the ring on dream street.

Kelley only knocked Hamed down once the other two where because his glove touched the canvas.

Hmaed could take yopu out with either hand from any angle and from any punch

and please lets not act like Pac has an iron chin here. The guy has been KO'ed twice and had to hold on for dear life just to survive against Huessien.

I wouldn't say Pac has the best chin but don't tell me it's weak. The 2 KO losses we're body shots. Hussein has power and Pac got caught which will be demonstrated against the beating of Larios on the MAB/EM undercard. He held for dear life in round 4 after the knockdown but still controlled the fight from there on out. Pac took MAB and JMM's best shots. 2 fighters with more than respectable KO percentages.

are you kidding me?

MAB stayed back and fought an extreamly disacpline fight. Watch MAB's fights with McKinney and Morales then go watch his fight with Hamed its a 180.

Disciplined except for the wrestling incident :D

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And since when did pac throw amazing punches from different angles as one of you said?all he has is a good one-two as we saw in the marquez fight.
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Obviously you havent seen his fight with MAB. Emmanuel Steward even announced that he threw volumes of punches from all angles. You should really watch that fight

Pacman knocks out Hamed early.

This is because Hamed is so open and normally gets away because the other guy is too slow. Pac man is not slow, and once he hits you with a one-two, he'll keep running after you till either you or him go down. Normally it's the other guy.
The other reason is Hameds chin is never down. He's head is moving everywhere and he takes it to eazy in the ring. NOT a good idea with Pacman.

P.S I'm not saying this because I love Pacman or nething. I actally think he is pretty one-dimesional with his one-two. But it's harder to stop then most people think. Just look at Smokin' Joe, he was a one-handed fighter who just kept pouring in and bobbing and weaving.

plz hamed is everything pac is and more..and hamed never got ko'ed like pac (check out the gallery section to see how pac got ko'ed..ref had to carry him to his corner)..hamed rapes back with his ability and what u so call of balance style...hamed had power and even more speed then pac...hamed ko's him within 4...and they say he may come bac...if he did he wouldnt beat pac..but OG hamed would own pac

Pacman would destroy naseem hamed, the prince is a jester

Seems there's alot of folks who see the "Prime" Hamed kickin' Pac's ass today. I'm guessing that most of the same people wouldn't give Hamed the same odds today, even if Hamed takes a tune-up fight or two and gets physically conditioned. That is, if Pac doesn't loose a fight or two to Marquez or possibly MAB II or Morales?

hamed will go to sleep in round 3 against pacman!!! :cool:

it would be a good fight to see. i'd like to see how Pac adapts his fighting technique against Prince's unorthodox style. I am sure that Hammed would frustrate the hell out of Pac before Pac would eventually catch him with a big right.

Prime hamed was actually a pretty good boxer who was able to straife in and out throwing puts at weird angles. I'd say he prolly wins the first few rounds b4 pacman catches him and catches him with the left and then continuing to pressure him and take rounds onto winning a UD. Hamed has a pretty good beard and against barrera he was flailing all over the place but never really looked like getting knocked out.

it would be a good fight to see. i'd like to see how Pac adapts his fighting technique against Prince's unorthodox style. I am sure that Hammed would frustrate the hell out of Pac before Pac would eventually catch him with a big right. Damn, there's no question in my mind that Vargas was saucin'! Anyway back to the topic. Hamed would kill Pac inside 4, it might be similar to Hamed vs. McCullough, only a much less disciplined version of the "Pocket Rocket". What would be an interesting matchup would be a Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Hamed, we've all seen what happens with Hamed when he gets counterpunched all night by Barrera and JMM is all about counter-punching. Going back to Hamed vs. Pac I wouldn't rule out an upset by Pac, Hamed is most susceptible to straight punches, and all Pac needs is one good one to either take him out or get the ball rolling. I'm not much of a Pac fan, but y'all need to see his fight with Thai legend Chatchai Sasakul, I had wriiten off Pac prior to the Sasakul fight, and I was almost right, 'cause Pac was catching tremendous powerful punches from the Thai legend, I mean Sasakul is or was as good as any of the counterpunchers we have today and he pretty much had his way with Pac who looked wobbly throughout the fight until he tagged the Thai fighter with what else a straight left and he pretty much softened up the Thai legend from there and knocked Sasakul out in the late rounds in a violent fashion, that was the 1st fight were Pac got my respect and that was his most impressive fight by far even in comparison with the Barrera fight, but to this day I still don't think much of him. Unless he beats JMM in a rematch and beats or gives it a good go against Morales .

Hamed was one the biggest punchers in featherweight history, he lands on Pac and its probably over. People always talk of the Barrera fight like it was a complete whitewash but in actual fact it was close and in the balance for a long time. Barrera fought extremely defensively, he just sat back all night and in fact lost many rounds because of the fact that he just wasn't punching. That was the worst Hamed youll ever see. They showed a documentary over here that followed Hamed in his preparation for the Barrera fight. It was a farce, his incompetant brothers where running the show and they didn't have a clue. Everything went wrong when he got rid of Brendan Ingle, mainly due to him falling out with Hameds brothers.

Fact is Hamed has the exact style to beat Manny, he was an unorthodox counterpuncher with huge power. Mannys gonna come foward and odds are he's going to get caught and when he does its over. JMM isn't in Hameds league as a puncher. Nothing wrong with Hamed chin as was said before, all about balance. I never once seen him hurt in a fight. Hameds the clear favourite here. Mannys not disiplined enough to box the way Barrera did.

great matchup
Both big punchers, both love a tear up, both have poor defenses.
The pressure fighter versus the counter puncher.

Who wins?
Id love to see Hamed handed his ass, that ****ing disrecpectful clown needs a good beating, then have MC Hammer dance on his giant broken egg head whilst singing "you cant touch this!!"

pacquiao will kill hamed inside the ring....

Id love to see Hamed handed his ass, that ****ing disrecpectful clown needs a good beating, then have MC Hammer dance on his giant broken egg head whilst singing "you cant touch this!!"

May the Gods bless you for one thing (at least). You are the first person in this thread to refer to Hamed by his first name ... Clown.

prince hamed is a bum i bet his gonna duck pac-man

Hamed beats Pacquiao. It's been said many times before that the prince likes people to come to him. Hameds power was extraordinary and he would catch Manny on his way in with one of those awkward left hooks...Pac wouldn't know what hit him.

I think JMM beats Hamed in a close UD. JMM might be KD'ed but would sit back and counter beautifully. It'd be a tentative snoozefest though...unless Hamed really caught Marquez with something nasty.

great matchup
Both big punchers, both love a tear up, both have poor defenses.
The pressure fighter versus the counter puncher.

Who wins?
Id love to see Hamed handed his ass, that ****ing disrecpectful clown needs a good beating, then have MC Hammer dance on his giant broken egg head whilst singing "you cant touch this!!"

ha ha ha, nice piece! this should be told to all those who say that Hamed is a very respectful fighter! God, i hope they saw their fighter wrestling it out with Cesar Soto, look pretty awful for a title fight-a wrestling match that's because of this Hamed!

I remember vividly the claim of some self-proclaimed boxing gurus in here, that Sharmba would surely win by decision.

Pacquiao TKO's the clown.

I remember vividly the claim of some self-proclaimed boxing gurus in here, that Sharmba would surely win by decision.

Pacquiao TKO's the clown.

there's a lot of them here as if they know everything in boxing!

Yes none of us know anything about boxing. We make replys like "MANNY KOs THE CLOWN EASIIIILY!!!!!!!!!!!. MANNYS DA MAN!!!!!" But then don't give a single logical reason why. Who's the clowns here?

An impression of a typical manny fan's reply:
Manny kills him in one round!

lol..in case y'all didnt know naz has more punch power,better defense and many more punches in his arsenal than manny does. He also loves a fighter who comes forward. So whats the defenseless come-forward manny got that's gonna ensure he beats naz???

From what ive seen naz has everything manny's got and a whole lot more

An impression of a typical manny fan's reply:
Manny kills him in one round!

lol..in case y'all didnt know naz has more punch power,better defense and many more punches in his arsenal than manny does. He also loves a fighter who comes forward. So whats the defenseless come-forward manny got that's gonna ensure he beats naz???

From what ive seen naz has everything manny's got and a whole lot more

Better defense? more punches in his arsenal? LMAO He is AWKWARD and catches his opponent with shots from wierd angles. He has NO technique so don't tell me he has more punches in his arsenal. He just punches, period. Man, maybe you should watch the clown again and this time watch the fight not his entrance. As for Manny, it would help your assesment if you saw more fights than the one with JMM.

Naz was overhyped.

Honestly think that Pac would win via late round TKO or a clear UD.

It's an interesting fight to watch really...

based strictly on karma, naz gets destroyed because hes such a punk while pac wins because hes gangsta

The Prince would be encouraged by his ability to hit Pacquiao. I feel Pacquiao would be the aggressor and Hamed would be forced to box. At close quarters, Pacquiao would destroy Hamed in 6-7 rounds. If Hamed is patient, uses his jab, and lands something big, he could knock out Pacquiao. But these little hypothetical threads are really annoying. Put them in the Fantasy Fights section for now on, along with the Tyson-Tua threads. It's never gonna happen, so don't torture yourself.

hamed by ko

pacquaio by ko :cool:

I'm not much of a Pac fan, but y'all need to see his fight with Thai legend Chatchai Sasakul, I had wriiten off Pac prior to the Sasakul fight, and I was almost right, 'cause Pac was catching tremendous powerful punches from the Thai legend, I mean Sasakul is or was as good as any of the counterpunchers we have today and he pretty much had his way with Pac who looked wobbly throughout the fight until he tagged the Thai fighter with what else a straight left and he pretty much softened up the Thai legend from there and knocked Sasakul out in the late rounds in a violent fashion,

This fight was pre-Freddie Roach. Pacquiao was no PacMan then, he was a wild man on a loose. :D

On topic: The first to land a solid punch wins!

pac by ko...hamed throws more wild shots than pac...pac is more skilled not to say quicker and smarter.

id say pac by ko, hamed stayed away from all the big names, he took barrera and fought once after that, if he wasnt so big headed the loss wouldnt have killed his career but coz he thought he was the best thing in boxing he took the loss bad and well ruined him, he had talent and stamina but i dont think he ever hit his optimum performance, maybe if he was around now he would be in there with a chance of fighting pac now, either way i still think pac would ko him im the latter rounds of the fight

Naz used to lean back-- not step back-- to avoid punches, then winds his torso down, before issuing a receipt. He can easily get hit as have been seen in the times he was floored by much lesser hitters than Pacman. (To compare those who knocked Hamed down with Pac is to compare Bush League home run kings with Barry Bonds).All Pac has to do is have Hamed taste a bit of the stiff jabs (jabs got Hamed batty in the Barrera fight), and the right cross in the earlier rounds. Then, feint with the right to get the left down there where Hamed is stooping, trying to evade the right. Bingo!

Were those Pac's fists that got to Hamed, there wouldn't had been a next round in any of those fights Hamed got floored.

Better defense? more punches in his arsenal? LMAO He is AWKWARD and catches his opponent with shots from wierd angles. He has NO technique so don't tell me he has more punches in his arsenal. He just punches, period. Man, maybe you should watch the clown again and this time watch the fight not his entrance. As for Manny, it would help your assesment if you saw more fights than the one with JMM.

Naz was overhyped.
Naz' style and footwork was awkward and he had the most ridiculous entrance in boxing history. So if for anything, he exclusively deserves the title "CLOWN PRINCE OF BOXING", for life if he wants.
Pacman will murder him in the opening rounds!

after getting defeated by barrera hamed would know not to make the same mistakes again..i know that hamed will not get knockedout, niether will pacman. it will be an interesting fight but i lean more towards hamed.

It's all about speed and power. Pacman is way ahead on both.

naz had more power, pacman is faster and powerful, plus he uses both better

naz paid a high price for choosing his opponents most of the time. that's why marco easily taught him a lesson.
if pacman fought him before marco, naz would have retired in the hospital. and there wont be any talks of a comeback!

Naseem Hamed by KO..

The doctor's diagnosis: Pacman by KO 2nd rd! Naz is just a showboat who will only be remembered for his grand entrances :cool:

I am taking note of these so called "boxing experts" who think they can analyze everything. After March 19th we will see how humble they get. Don't mind them they will eat crow. I remember them talkin **** before the Barrera fight. I don't really pay too much attention to them because they don't really know ****. We will see if they are really "experts" or just playa hatin.

I am taking note of these so called "boxing experts" who think they can analyze everything. After March 19th we will see how humble they get. Don't mind them they will eat crow. I remember them talkin **** before the Barrera fight. I don't really pay too much attention to them because they don't really know ****. We will see if they are really "experts" or just playa hatin.
that's just the way things work around here i guess. it's either you are for manny or the mexicans. no more no less...

Naseem Hamed by KO..

pac by brutal ko.

Pac is to fast and strong for Hamed Ko for sure.

People please don't be stupid and nieve on the Pacman vibe. Naseem was unique and very very tough. I think it would have been a amazing fight that would have gone the distance either way.

Pacquiao by stoppage in mid rounds. I think that pacquiao put too much pressure on Hamed forcing him too get wreckless and desperate. And when that happens its good night for Hamed.

I wonder what Manny Stewart would think about this fight. It seemed to me that going into the MAB fight he had a pretty good idea the Hamed was in trouble. I wonder if it was a because of MAB, or if he saw a ***** in Hameds armor. How did Hamed do against southpaws?

Very well, he beat all that he faced

**** ME, PACQUIO IS QUICKLY BECOMING MY MOST HATED FIGHTER.


not because of him but because of all the nuthugging pathetic ignorant *******s that continue to lick his gooch like he is the second coming of willie Pep.

a prime Hamed would have kicked the living **** of Pacquio. why? Cos as some of the more intelligent people here (rather than just nuthugging fans) have pointed out Hamed was a counterpuncher, like marquez but with more power than Pacqiou, yes more single shot power, by far.

Hamed was the featherweight of the 90's, pac cant even profess to be the best featherweight now, out side the first round he got his ass handed to him by marquez, a smooth coutnerpuncher like hamed, but with less power. Lets get this straight outside Sandy Sandller (go look it up pac fans) Hamed is probably the hardest punching single shot merchant at featherweight there has been and Pac does not have the best chin....by the way hussain knocked him down with a jab co she jumps in when throwing his own shots, imagine if he gets tagged by a real puncher.

You lot really need to become more objective.

footnote I apologise to some of the pac fans whom ive had intelligent conversation with for this outburst, you know who you are and you have my respect, however Im so tired of hearing that Pac is the second coming of salvador sanchez and this and that, its fanatacism and not based on any kind of boxing knowledge or foresite

What you guys should learn is that you are turning people off your man, not getitng him him support. i used to love pac but due to the constant and utter dribble that is posted about him, I cant wait for him to be exposed which he has been before and he will again.

**** ME, PACQUIO IS QUICKLY BECOMING MY MOST HATED FIGHTER.


not because of him but because of all the nuthugging pathetic ignorant *******s that continue to lick his gooch like he is the second coming of willie Pep.

a prime Hamed would have kicked the living **** of Pacquio. why? Cos as some of the more intelligent people here (rather than just nuthugging fans) have pointed out Hamed was a counterpuncher, like marquez but with more power than Pacqiou, yes more single shot power, by far.

Hamed was the featherweight of the 90's, pac cant even profess to be the best featherweight now, out side the first round he got his ass handed to him by marquez, a smooth coutnerpuncher like hamed, but with less power. Lets get this straight outside Sandy Sandller (go look it up pac fans) Hamed is probably the hardest punching single shot merchant at featherweight there has been and Pac does not have the best chin....by the way hussain knocked him down with a jab co she jumps in when throwing his own shots, imagine if he gets tagged by a real puncher.

You lot really need to become more objective.

footnote I apologise to some of the pac fans whom ive had intelligent conversation with for this outburst, you know who you are and you have my respect, however Im so tired of hearing that Pac is the second coming of salvador sanchez and this and that, its fanatacism and not based on any kind of boxing knowledge or foresite

What you guys should learn is that you are turning people off your man, not getitng him him support. i used to love pac but due to the constant and utter dribble that is posted about him, I cant wait for him to be exposed which he has been before and he will again.

Good post mate :D

It annoys the **** out of me that people assess Hamed based only on the MAB fight. Anyone who knows his career reasonably well appreciates that it wasn't the real Naz in his last few fights after he'd left Ingle. At his best he would have destroyed all of the current featherweights with the exception of MAB & EM, who I think he would have beat in pretty close fights.

When Morales destroys Pac it should quieten down of few of the idiots hopefully.

I like Hamed chances in this fight. I believe if you leave yourself open against Hamed, you are going down. I know both guys hit very hard, but hamed is naturally bigger and hits from very odd angles.
If this fight happened years ago, it wouldn't last more than six rounds, both guys would suffer knockdowns and Hamed superior chin and power will bail him out once again.

i belive morales will win, but Pac is exciting and a good fighter he just isnt the greatest of all time that some make him out to be... ;) if morales doesnt expose the weaknesses someone else will.

**** ME, PACQUIO IS QUICKLY BECOMING MY MOST HATED FIGHTER.


not because of him but because of all the nuthugging pathetic ignorant *******s that continue to lick his gooch like he is the second coming of willie Pep.

a prime Hamed would have kicked the living **** of Pacquio. why? Cos as some of the more intelligent people here (rather than just nuthugging fans) have pointed out Hamed was a counterpuncher, like marquez but with more power than Pacqiou, yes more single shot power, by far.

Hamed was the featherweight of the 90's, pac cant even profess to be the best featherweight now, out side the first round he got his ass handed to him by marquez, a smooth coutnerpuncher like hamed, but with less power. Lets get this straight outside Sandy Sandller (go look it up pac fans) Hamed is probably the hardest punching single shot merchant at featherweight there has been and Pac does not have the best chin....by the way hussain knocked him down with a jab co she jumps in when throwing his own shots, imagine if he gets tagged by a real puncher.

You lot really need to become more objective.

footnote I apologise to some of the pac fans whom ive had intelligent conversation with for this outburst, you know who you are and you have my respect, however Im so tired of hearing that Pac is the second coming of salvador sanchez and this and that, its fanatacism and not based on any kind of boxing knowledge or foresite

What you guys should learn is that you are turning people off your man, not getitng him him support. i used to love pac but due to the constant and utter dribble that is posted about him, I cant wait for him to be exposed which he has been before and he will again.

I'll buy you a drink for that post, mate! Well said.

You People Crazy Hamed Wins No Way Pacman Beat The Living Hell Out Of Islam Boxer

I can't believe how much credit people give to Hamed. The guy's an inanimate boxer with an overrated left hand who ducks fighters. His experience is also limited to fighters of disputable ability.

I can't believe some people even have Hamed on their best all-time list.

Who has Hamed ever faced that was as fat as Pacquiao?

The Prince is the man in this case. One hit wounder Pacman wont cut it.

Oh yeah, I'm sure your basing the one hit wonder on Marquez without any other fight Manny had and actually never seeing Hamed fight, right? Because what you said was completely opposite. Hamed is the guy in every fight who never throws any other punches, just going for that 1 shot and spinning his right hand like the clown that he was to try to confuse his opponent. Manny put on a flawless performance for MAB that you can't even consider the 2 in the same class. Manny would easily outbox Hamed and totally destroy him that he would be an easy KO late. Manny goes to the body and then to the head to setup a brutal left hand that Hamed won't see coming. Sorry, Hamed just was way overrated and you liked him for either his **** talking, ring entrances, or able to knock out lesser fights, yes Kevin Kelly was lesser. Have a nice day! :cool:

Oh yeah, I'm sure your basing the one hit wonder on Marquez without any other fight Manny had and actually never seeing Hamed fight, right? Because what you said was completely opposite. Hamed is the guy in every fight who never throws any other punches, just going for that 1 shot and spinning his right hand like the clown that he was to try to confuse his opponent. Manny put on a flawless performance for MAB that you can't even consider the 2 in the same class. Manny would easily outbox Hamed and totally destroy him that he would be an easy KO late. Manny goes to the body and then to the head to setup a brutal left hand that Hamed won't see coming. Sorry, Hamed just was way overrated and you liked him for either his **** talking, ring entrances, or able to knock out lesser fights, yes Kevin Kelly was lesser. Have a nice day! :cool:

Hamed was overrated.
Pacman IS way overrated.

Hamed was overrated.
Pacman IS way overrated.
That remains to be seen.

I like both of them but I think pac man would take it to him

Hamed was overrated.
Pacman IS way overrated.

Oh ya because I see Hamed really took on elite after elite and was actually able to get through them? Manny won his IBF title off Ledwaba who was looking to be a huge star after only 2 weeks notice. He then defends the title successfully 4 times to move up in weight. Then goes straight for Barrera after an intial 126lbs test which he did get knocked down though got back up and KOed guy. That alone let's you know he's got balls to go straight for best after having a rocky start at that weight. Then not only does he dominate the guy that dominated Hamed, though he nearly puts him into what people thought would be retirement. Now what? Easy break? No, go straight to the next toughest 126lbs that most would call the avoided one, JMM. In a very close fight that you can call it both ways. Let's see in 2 perspectives. If 3 knock down rule was in effect, Manny won. If that guy scored the first round like the other 2 judges as well as Harold Lederman, Manny won. So let's say he won that fight. Can't get a fight for rest of year except for a nobody just to get 2 fights in before the year is over. Now what? Going back at another world class fighter and probably as he considers, the last man standing. I'm sorry, but your thoughts are overrated. :cool:

a prime hamed would have to be a clean hamed without the dirty tactics. it'll be a good fight since both have a huge following but hamed has to fight at least 2-3 good bouts and establish himself first. the old hamed shouldnt be brought back ( just couldnt forget how we "wrestled" with cesar soto in the late 90's).. it will be an eciting one for sure

If 3 knock down rule was in effect, Manny won. If that guy scored the first round like the other 2 judges as well as Harold Lederman, Manny won. So let's say he won that fight.
Pac's credibility will not benefit from his fans "saying" he won the fight, when it was a draw. I just watched the fight for the second time yesterday and scored it 113-113. When watching it Live on HBO, I saw JMM winning it.

In that fight, Marquez never fully recovered from that first round, his bell was rung severely. If Pac is to be the dominant guy at Feather, he'll have to start taking advantage of guys who are hurt. Against Marquez, Pac showed us nothing exceptional from rounds 2 to 12 that would demonstrate greatness, except that he has speed and power when he throws his **** exactly the same way, from pretty much the same agle, following the same head movement and lunge.

Pac had his chance to "win" but deserved the "draw". JJM was the Champ going into that fight and Pac did not do enough to demonstrate that he deserves that title. Not yet anyway.

Morales will probably make the same mistakes as JJM. I think Erik still doesn't fully appreciate the power of PacMan and probably won't until Pac has put Erik's ass on the floor. But, a knockdown is not a win, as we saw with JMM. Erik is as a harder hitter that JJM and he'll likely connect as much or more than JJM, so PacMan, consider this another chance to PROVE your greatness and end all this talk of "winning".

Who has Hamed ever faced that was as fast as Pacquiao?
I don't think that Manny's power/speed combo would be enough against Hamed. Think about it. Hamed had as much or more power as Pac, but not the speed. But, Hamed did have cobra-like reflexes, expecially if a guy was even vaguely predictable.

Unfortunately for PacMan, he would not find Hamed to be very hittable. Hamed though would find Pac's rhythmic head movement and calculatable lunge and left hand to be very predictable. So, Hamed wouldn't need to work very hard to avoid Manny's power. Then the real problem starts for Pac, when Hamed starts countering him, with power shots, from very ****ing strange angles and then moving. Once Manny decides he needs to cover up a little bit, Hamed would have started combinations and would be easily winning rounds.

The fight might have gone the distance, because both guys would have respected each others power. But there's no way Pacman could beat Hamed in the manner that Barrera did, because Pac could never Box and Counter like Barrera. Simply put, Hamed would hit Pac more than Pac would hit Hamed. So, there's a much better chance that Hamed would get the win, either by decision, stoppage or KO. You choose.

Don't for a moment believe that Pac beats Hamed simply because Barrera beat Hamed. It doesn't work that way when you have three guys with very different styles.

By the way, I truly despise Hamed and everything that he brought to boxing. His fighting "style" was that of a school-yard bully who simply liked to beat-up people, but he was also very effective. He was and probably still is an arrogant bully, but he'd beat the more likable but limited, predictable PacMan.

I don't think that Manny's power/speed combo would be enough against Hamed. Think about it. Hamed had as much or more power as Pac, but not the speed. But, Hamed did have cobra-like reflexes, expecially if a guy was even vaguely predictable.

Unfortunately for PacMan, he would not find Hamed to be very hittable. Hamed though would find Pac's rhythmic head movement and calculatable lunge and left hand to be very predictable. So, Hamed wouldn't need to work very hard to avoid Manny's power. Then the real problem starts for Pac, when Hamed starts countering him, with power shots, from very ****ing strange angles and then moving. Once Manny decides he needs to cover up a little bit, Hamed would have started combinations and would be easily winning rounds.

The fight might have gone the distance, because both guys would have respected each others power. But there's no way Pacman could beat Hamed in the manner that Barrera did, because Pac could never Box and Counter like Barrera. Simply put, Hamed would hit Pac more than Pac would hit Hamed. So, there's a much better chance that Hamed would get the win, either by decision, stoppage or KO. You choose.

Don't for a moment believe that Pac beats Hamed simply because Barrera beat Hamed. It doesn't work that way when you have three guys with very different styles.

By the way, I truly despise Hamed and everything that he brought to boxing. His fighting "style" was that of a school-yard bully who simply liked to beat-up people, but he was also very effective. He was and probably still is an arrogant bully, but he'd beat the more likable but limited, predictable PacMan.
Did Hamed beat Barrera? I don't think so!

Pac via Ko in 6 rounds

Pac's credibility will not benefit from his fans "saying" he won the fight, when it was a draw. I just watched the fight for the second time yesterday and scored it 113-113. When watching it Live on HBO, I saw JMM winning it.

In that fight, Marquez never fully recovered from that first round, his bell was rung severely. If Pac is to be the dominant guy at Feather, he'll have to start taking advantage of guys who are hurt. Against Marquez, Pac showed us nothing exceptional from rounds 2 to 12 that would demonstrate greatness, except that he has speed and power when he throws his **** exactly the same way, from pretty much the same agle, following the same head movement and lunge.

Pac had his chance to "win" but deserved the "draw". JJM was the Champ going into that fight and Pac did not do enough to demonstrate that he deserves that title. Not yet anyway.

Morales will probably make the same mistakes as JJM. I think Erik still doesn't fully appreciate the power of PacMan and probably won't until Pac has put Erik's ass on the floor. But, a knockdown is not a win, as we saw with JMM. Erik is as a harder hitter that JJM and he'll likely connect as much or more than JJM, so PacMan, consider this another chance to PROVE your greatness and end all this talk of "winning".

Man you're just looking down on these two fighters right there. Pac DID try to take advantage of a guy who's hurt. THAT'S HIS BREAD AND BUTTER so if and when he sees the oppurtunity for the knock out, he'll go for the kill. IT'S HIS INSTINCT. JMM got floored once, what did Pac do? Tried to take Marquez' head off again. Floored him a second time, what did Pac do? Kept pressing. Floored him for the third time, what did Pac do? KEPT ON THE PRESSURE. If that ain't taking advantage of a guy who's hurt Munn, then you should probably tell me what is.

He fought 1-dimensional and that's what made him look bad, that's what gave him that over-used label. Amnesia spreads and people forget his previous performances. Marquez was custom made for Pac. Anyone would have a hardtime with an opponent who's counterpunching for 12 rounds out. The openings are just so much slimmer and your timing has to be flawless. That's why JMM is holding two belts. Should JMM have been put away? Sure! But Marquez WOULN'T ALLOW IT. You ain't talking about no patsy. This is a champ, and you beared witness to his heart and will. You cannot blind yourself of that fact.

Honestly **** the belts. It's the recognition and respect. He's done enough to earn both. Hey he's undefeated against the elites of a new division right? So where's the beef :D

March 20 Munn, you and me should have a nice lil chat...

Pac DID try to take advantage of a guy who's hurt. THAT'S HIS BREAD AND BUTTER so if and when he sees the oppurtunity for the knock out, he'll go for the kill.

Honestly **** the belts. It's the recognition and respect. He's done enough to earn both. Hey he's undefeated against the elites of a new division right? So where's the beef :D

March 20 Munn, you and me should have a nice lil chat...
MOOKS ... we'll definitely have something to talk about late March 19, because both Pac and Morales will show-up ready to represent everything that is right about boxing.

MOOKS ... you must have read something into my post that wasn't there. I'll try to improve it if a I can. Regarding "taking advantage", what I mean is that Pac must actually take advantage of a guy who's hurt, and finish him, not TRY to take advantage of a guy who's hurt.

I saw a good fighter in PacMan that night, and a much greater fighter, boxer Champ in Marquez. Not a shred of disrespect for Marquez, but Pac made that fight his to lose after the first round, and he did. That result separates JMM and Pac by a margin that is big enough to maintain JMM's Feather Champ status and also maintain Pac's status as the-guy-who-beat-Barrera. Forget pre-Barrera PacMan, fight fans know the feather scene has a place for Pac but he'll ave to go out there and get it. He had his best chance yet against JMM and put on a good show, but was not the great show neeeded to beat JMM.

I enjoy reading some very nice postings here! But isn't this Hamed's thread? :confused:

MOOKS ... we'll definitely have something to talk about late March 19, because both Pac and Morales will show-up ready to represent everything that is right about boxing.

MOOKS ... you must have read something into my post that wasn't there. I'll try to improve it if a I can. Regarding "taking advantage", what I mean is that Pac must actually take advantage of a guy who's hurt, and finish him, not TRY to take advantage of a guy who's hurt.

I saw a good fighter in PacMan that night, and a much greater fighter, boxer Champ in Marquez. Not a shred of disrespect for Marquez, but Pac made that fight his to lose after the first round, and he did. That result separates JMM and Pac by a margin that is big enough to maintain JMM's Feather Champ status and also maintain Pac's status as the-guy-who-beat-Barrera. Forget pre-Barrera PacMan, fight fans know the feather scene has a place for Pac but he'll ave to go out there and get it. He had his best chance yet against JMM and put on a good show, but was not the great show neeeded to beat JMM.

Well to be honest I think them powerpunches weren't even meant for the first round. I think he just got caught with a punch he didn't like. He had lot of trouble finding openings and making combinations without being countered which is why jmm's so effective. So he'd fire one shot at a time. Had Pac invested more, he would have stopped cuz your right, Marquez was hurt. I'd still put my money on a fresh Pac and Roach behind teh corner. Hope to see the rematch but heck at least we didn't lose a fight to watch.

Did Hamed beat Barrera? I don't think so!
Didn't say that, 'cause it didn't happen.

Man you're just looking down on these two fighters right there. Pac DID try to take advantage of a guy who's hurt. THAT'S HIS BREAD AND BUTTER so if and when he sees the oppurtunity for the knock out, he'll go for the kill. IT'S HIS INSTINCT. JMM got floored once, what did Pac do? Tried to take Marquez' head off again. Floored him a second time, what did Pac do? Kept pressing. Floored him for the third time, what did Pac do? KEPT ON THE PRESSURE. If that ain't taking advantage of a guy who's hurt Munn, then you should probably tell me what is.

He fought 1-dimensional and that's what made him look bad, that's what gave him that over-used label. Amnesia spreads and people forget his previous performances. Marquez was custom made for Pac. Anyone would have a hardtime with an opponent who's counterpunching for 12 rounds out. The openings are just so much slimmer and your timing has to be flawless. That's why JMM is holding two belts. Should JMM have been put away? Sure! But Marquez WOULN'T ALLOW IT. You ain't talking about no patsy. This is a champ, and you beared witness to his heart and will. You cannot blind yourself of that fact.

Honestly **** the belts. It's the recognition and respect. He's done enough to earn both. Hey he's undefeated against the elites of a new division right? So where's the beef :D

March 20 Munn, you and me should have a nice lil chat...
Why did he chickened out in the rematch then? I think your discrediting Pacman for flooring Marquez 3 times. Did Marquez floored Pacman? I dont think so because he does not have what it takes!

Let's see in 2 perspectives. If 3 knock down rule was in effect, Manny won. If that guy scored the first round like the other 2 judges as well as Harold Lederman, Manny won. So let's say he won that fight.

Or better yet, let's say he didn't. Because, you know, he actually did not win the fight.

But don't ever let facts get in the way of your making an argument.

Why did he chickened out in the rematch then? I think your discrediting Pacman for flooring Marquez 3 times. Did Marquez floored Pacman? I dont think so because he does not have what it takes!

Cuz he wanted more money. But asked for too much in my opinion. He ain't afraid. He just wants to be compensated for risking his career. What's wrong with that. WTF? How am I discrediting Pacquiao for the KDs?

Well to be honest I think them powerpunches weren't even meant for the first round.
Interesting, really. I'm not ****tin' ya.

If Pac had not come out blazin' in the first round, I'm sure Marquez would not have either. Then Pac would have played Marquez and sprung on him later? Nah.

Pac and Roach's plan was working exactly as they wanted in the 1st Round, except that JMM was still there for the start of the 2nd. Pac and Roach knew too well that they needed to catch JMM very early before JMM got comfortable enough to realize that Pac was bringing a limited (but effective) arsenal. Unfortunately, once Marquez figured out Pac was going to keep coming with that same take-you-out move, Marquez's night was easier cause he could see the openings that Pac was offering. I say easier, because it's so true. When you get predictable, you're giving a gift to such a monster counterer and you're not going to win many rounds.

Interesting, really. I'm not ****tin' ya.

If Pac had not come out blazin' in the first round, I'm sure Marquez would not have either. Then Pac would have played Marquez and sprung on him later? Nah.

Pac and Roach's plan was working exactly as they wanted in the 1st Round, except that JMM was still there for the start of the 2nd. Pac and Roach knew too well that they needed to catch JMM very early before JMM got comfortable enough to realize that Pac was brining a limited (but effective) arsenal. Unfortunately, once Marquez figured out Pac was going to keep coming with that same take-you-out move, Marquez's night was easier cause he could see the openings that Pac was offering. I say easier, because it's so true. When you get predictable, you're giving a gift to such a monster counterer and you're not going to win many rounds.

Well I mean round 1? It's like he exploded. I don't think he wouldn't have blitz a champ in the first round SPECIALLY a counterpuncher but I could be wrong. I think it was also Marquez who had his shoulders squared up and was aggressive. It was just asking for it.

Marquez backed off after that and waited. Althought it took a good 4-5 rounds I think Pac was able to adjust contrary to what some say a "blow-out" which i think is ridiculous. The later rounds we're harder to score. When you're only throwing one punch its hard to be effective though. What surprised me is that Marquez still got **** flush many times and only landing 10 more punches than Manny while teh latter only threw the straight left :eek:

Cuz he wanted more money. But asked for too much in my opinion. He ain't afraid. He just wants to be compensated for risking his career. What's wrong with that. WTF? How am I discrediting Pacquiao for the KDs?
If Pacman floored Marquez 3 times then he should be the one who wants the rematch the most but instead He over priced himself for not to fight! Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more. Who do you think is more bankable if you are a promoter Pacman or Marquez?

If Pacman floored Marquez 3 times then he should be the one who wants the rematch the most but instead He over priced himself for not to fight! Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more. Who do you think is more bankable if you are a promoter Pacman or Marquez?

JMM wanted more money. End of discussion. He wanted 1.5 million and would have negotiated if Arum didn't turn his back on him. why would you start training in november if you fight in feb and suddenly backout?

I think it was also Marquez who had his shoulders squared up ..... just asking for it.
That is just plain ****in' funny.

For what it's worth, here's the way I saw the draw unfolding:

JMM Pac
1 6 10
2 9 10
3 10 9
4 9 10
5 10 9
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 9 10
9 10 9
10 9 10
11 10 9
12 10 9

I watched and wrote the scores on 12 pieces of paper and tried not to keep a running tally. That 10-6 should have won it.

If Hamed in his prime had faced a primed Pac I think it would have been a good and close fight. It all depends how composed Pac could stay during the entire match. hamed was famous for frustrating his opponents due to his antics in the ring. If Pac could stay as cool as MAB than I see him winning within 6 rounds

Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more.
Oh, now it's abundantly clearer to me, now that you say Freddie Roach agrees with you.

Marquez needs nothing. I believe it's Barrera who really needs a Pac fight, and maybe Morales might soon need a rematch with Pac too (but I very strongly doubt that). But, Marquez will have Manny someday again, and he won't have to bargain at all. It will be pretty much name-your-price. Marquez knows this, he's not a Chump, he's Champ.

Pac fans need to let go of Marquez and start thinking/yalking about Morales, who's right in front of Pac.

Hamed looked great knocking out jouneymen. When the Yanks says he was over-rated, they were right. Besides the obvious, does anyone remember how Paul Ingle was outboxing Hamed, until the 11th, when Hamed connected with a perfect short right hand?

That is just plain ****in' funny.

For what it's worth, here's the way I saw the draw unfolding:

JMM Pac
1 6 10
2 9 10
3 10 9
4 9 10
5 10 9
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 9 10
9 10 9
10 9 10
11 10 9
12 10 9

I watched and wrote the scores on 12 pieces of paper and tried not to keep a running tally. That 10-6 should have won it.

By squaring up, JMM narrowed the distance for that straight left that he wasn't expecting. I think he was thinking of countering of a hit, except he went down before he can couter.

I have the fight, watched it a good 12 or so times. Watching which punches land which didbn't.

Here ya go,

Manny P JMM
Round 1: 10 6
Round 2: 10 9
Round 3: 9 10
Round 4: 9 10
round 5: 9 10
round 6: 9 10
round 7: 9 10
round 8: 10 9
round 9: 10 9
round 10: 10 9
round 11: 9 10
round 12: 9 10

final score: 113-112 for Pac

round 7, 8 were hella close. round 12 JMM edged Pac slightly but was close as well.

Like you I had it 7 rounds to five: The first round DID make the difference. But I also can't believe Jutras only gave 2 rounds for Manny :eek: I meaan comme onn.

Part of being a champion is being able to rise to the occasion. Hamed flat quit against Barrera, Pac man blew him out. Hamed was simular to Tyson. He was a bully and a bully is only good when others fear him. When stood up to the bully much like Hamed and Tyson crumble. Hamed was all sizzle and no steak. Pac Man 5th round Ko in a hard fought 5 rounds.
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I still beleive barrera had a bad night and would beat pacman in a rematch.

I still beleive barrera had a bad night and would beat pacman in a rematch.


I respect your opinion but I disagree. It was such a lopsided win. Barerra has always been good at making adjustments though.. If Barrera wanted Pac again he could have fought him again.. I don't think he'll be going back in the ring with Pac anytime soon.

hamed beat manuel medina in his first or second defence, he ko'd him. Medina has come back to win the world title twic since then. He beat tom boom boom johnson who was ranked no one when they fought. wilfrdo vaquez was wba champion when hamed fought him, but was stripped. Paul ingle came back after a hamed defeat to become world champion.

First on Luisito Espinosa's chance against the Prince. That would have been 50-50. If Luisito would have been careless, he would have been KOd. But if he managed to avoid being hit in the chin, he would have won by a UD.

How many time was Pacquiao hit by Morales with a power punch? But never did his knees buckled. And in now do I believe that Hamed hits harder than Morales. And if Kelly was able to knock down Hamed, I think the Pacman can do that too!

Boxingwise, Hamed has no chance, wrestling - he has! :-)

comparing arrogance between passion, i pick passion!

manny will brutalize those prince's and king's of arrogance!

Pacman would be ahead on point before being dropped while trading mid-rounds.Great fight but even pacman would need to be a lot more defensively-minded than he is at present. I could see Naz dropped once or twice however. For those who mentions guys who outboxed hamed (usually being KOed late), who has Pacman really outboxed?

Marco Antonio Barrera?

This is absolutely silly. There is no way in hell Hamed could deal with the pressure Pacman would bring. Did you see him practicing his acrobatic backfips against M.A.B, trying to avoid a punch? Pac would have him on skates going backwards, and completely trashing Hamed. This is one fight where I doubt Naz could go the distance. He would be facing a fighter who is stronger, faster, smarter, and more durable. Manny would knock him out late in the fight. I dont care how "slick" he is.

Yeah...i think even some Pac haters would choose Pac to win this one. Maybe coz they're Hamed haters? ;)