I have a dilemma for Sat. My girls are going to be in a parade on Saturday and President Bush is supposed to be there. My son has a belt test at the same time. Which one do I have him do? He wants to go see the President, but his Dad is going to make him do the test. That is because he didn't take his belt test the last time it came up (he wasn't ready for it). I say seeing the President is a once in a lifetime shot...especially in your own town.

Did you ever see that episode of the flintstone's where fred had to be with wilma and the order of the water buffluo bowing tounry at the same time?

Can't the test be scheduled for another time? If it can, I'd say reschedule the test!

The fact that he is showing a patriotic curiosity should make his dad proud.

do the test
Is meeting the president doing anything for him?

the only reason your son should be into meeting the pres is if he is gonna kick that dumb **** in the balls!

Gman: Saw it

Momita: Yes, it can be done another time. Talked to hubby, no go. He's making son do test. :-(

Christopher: Meeting the President is an honor, no matter if you are Republican or Democrat.

Vulgar: I'm a Republican, so why would I have my son kick him there? IF it was Clinton, then I'd let him. Clinton was man with no morals.

do the test and get him to write a letter to the president saying how he missed him cause he was doing a belt test in what ever hes doing... and say i really wanted to see you sir and i didnt know you were here until it was to late. When are you coming back? and if not how can i see you?

see what he says to that

Republican = Bad Ratings

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If it were President Clinton that would be one thing... if it's Bush, I think it's safe to say skip it. It's not like the guy is a great humanitarian or anything.

- J.

Anti-Bush at Global.

I vote Green.

Don't bad mouth President Shrub.

Belt test, you can take your son to meet your lawyer any day of the week to meet some one just like Bush

Originally posted by LukeDothSucketh
Belt test, you can take your son to meet your lawyer any day of the week to meet some one just like Bush

Chances are the lawyer is a better role model than Bush anyway.... :)

- J.

I am a Republican guys. I like our President. No one has shown me any real reason why they dislike him. I hear complaints, but no proof to these complaints or accusations. And it is TKD RED. What is wrong with it? Keep in mind, they don't go to the traditional TKD martial arts academy. It's a mixed martial arts complete with some weapons training, jiu-jitsu, judo, and so on. They grapple as well. I've heard TKD bashed on this site, but no one explains why. Why is that? All talk?

Because TKD doesn't work in a real fight scenario.

Mouse = valid point.

My experience is that the way tae kwon do is taught out here, vs. the way it's taught in Australia is extremely different. The way I was taught, I would say it provides a reasonable base, but encourage people to study other martial arts.

Out here, I'd be very reluctant to send anyone to a TKD school because they hand out belts like Big Macs (hence the term McDojos).

Arju and I have seen many of these sorts of McDojos as we drive by these places - they do not chamber their kicks properly, telegraph their moves all over the place, sparring is terrible. It wasn't until I saw it first hand I understood why TKD is so poorly regarded out here in America and on the forums.

The clincher for me was seeing a kid barely eight years old wearing a black belt and silk gi's like he was decked out for some chinese festival. I **** you not.

This does not aid the image that TKD can be an effective martial art. Especially in California. There are so many martial arts schools out here and the decent ones are very few and far between you really have to hunt around to find one. Chances are, because there are so many tae kwon do schools out here and because of the lack of quality teaching of the style, there is a strong chance that your son could be learning utter crap. I am not saying it's the case, only that if it's TKD and it's in California, I would be very very skeptical.

As for evidence of Bush being an ass, his foreign policy alone is enough to hate his punk ass. Don't get me started on this one. Read enough newspapers and you'll see what he's doing. He's not just ****ing over entire economies and blocking fair trade, he's attempting to stripping away the freedom of individual Americans and using buzzwords such as "freedom" and "terror" to justify it.

Just accept that Bush being president is one of the worst things that could happen to this country (and the world).

- J.

Originally posted by Red
He goes out and kills terrorist nations. AND HES GETTING MY VOTE!!!

You remember that when USA gets nuked by some third world country who thinks its' the USA who is a terrorist nation. But hey, at least you voted for him.

Your last post really does reflect your ignorance. Another tool of the system. Whatever. You're only seeing one side of the argument.

- J.

Originally posted by Red
People like you piss me off, you worry about how we treat foreign countries and how we look to the world. **** how we look to the world. I care about the U.S.A and thats all, SO **** u

That's the attitude I'm talking about. Thanks for proving my point.

So by your rationale its ok for the US Government to do whatever it ****ing well likes to the rest of the world because they are acting in the "best interests" of it's citizens right?

So what happens when another country out there thinks it is acting in the "best interests" of it's citizens and goes against the USA?

Oh that's right. You only care about the USA so none of this will make any difference to you until it directly affects you. How obtuse.

Do the world a favor Red - don't breed.

-J.

Well, what do you suggest that the President should have done after 9/11 J? We can't just sit by and take it like we did when Clinton was in office. Something has to be done about the terrorist attacks. 9/11 was the first HUGE attack in modern history on American soil. If we sat by and did nothing, the country would be pissed. I would be. And let me ask you this....who do other countries turn to in time of need? Who does the world look to for help, whether it is help in combating an enemy or humanitarian aid? The US. Yes, the US is a super power and yes, like anyone with power, it can be and is abused. Whether it be a democrat or a republican, power is abused. What is important is that we maintain our freedoms, we strive for a better life, we try to make right what is wrong and we keep improving.

Originally posted by madcrewmom
Well, what do you suggest that the President should have done after 9/11 J? We can't just sit by and take it like we did when Clinton was in office.

Definately action needed to be taken.
No dispute there. I do dispute what was done, the reasoning and the methodology.

The US has now however established a precedent that it is perfectly acceptable to attack another country if you believe they a responsible for an attack on you.

And now they're trying to get involved in the peace talks in the Middle East.

Sad irony really - Israel and Palestine both have perfectly acceptable arguments for bombing the crap out of each other. Both seem to be using "terrorist" tactics against each other. They have strong evidence pointing to each other. Ariel Sharon himself has been quoted on more than one occasion using speeches that echo George Bush' prior to the war on Iraq and Afghanistan.

But yet, the US Government is pushing for rational discussion between these two nations - which is EXACTLY what the UN was pushing before before the US decided on unilateral action against Afghanistan and Iraq.

It's complete hypocrisy to set one example and then try to prevent other people from doing following it. As a parent I'm sure you're familiar with the phrase "Do as I say, not as I do." It's not exactly a good methodology to follow in order to promote good international relations.


Something has to be done about the terrorist attacks. 9/11 was the first HUGE attack in modern history on American soil. If we sat by and did nothing, the country would be pissed. I would be. And let me ask you this....who do other countries turn to in time of need? Who does the world look to for help, whether it is help in combating an enemy or humanitarian aid? The US.

In some cases yes.
In other cases no.

There are many instances where the US gets involved when they feel they "should" and yet when nobody has requested it. Realistically there have been times where involvement was mandatory. Other times, there isn't. These are largely personal opinions but you can't fault people for having them.

Yes, the US is a super power and yes, like anyone with power, it can be and is abused. Whether it be a democrat or a republican, power is abused. What is important is that we maintain our freedoms, we strive for a better life, we try to make right what is wrong and we keep improving.

And I agree. Therein lies my concern. There are numerous instances of where Bush is abusing his power and pushing legislation that will **** over American citizens at home and thanks to his foreign policy, **** America abroad as well.

There is some serious problems with some of the legislation he is trying to pass through. Critical changes too - stuff like the Constitution. Gee, that's odd. The Constitution has been around for a few years now, I wasn't aware it was in need of "fixing".

So many laws have been bum rushed through the Senate (particularly post 9/11) nobody has given serious thought to the ramifications of these and the potential consequences. Look up the changes introduced by the Patriot act if you want examples.

- J.

PS: If you want to know my political alignment, I would say I'm a democratic Republican.