What in your opinion are some of the worst managerial decions to ever be made in boxing?

Don King and Tyson letting Kevin Rooney go comes to mind.

Some might say Joe Louis and his management giving up 10% of all his future purses for a shot at Jimmy Braddock.

My all time worst managerial decision goes to the managment of Pete Radamacher, though. Its not so bad that they got a shot at the heavyweight championship in Radamachers first fight as a pro. Pete had just won olympic gold and they probably cashed in. What I find really boneheaded is them throwing him in with Zora Folley in his very next fight. Folley was 40-2-2 and a top contender. After the loss to Patterson, Radamacher should have been spoon fed some tomato cans to build his confidence back. Instead he was fed to the wolves. I won't speculate how his career may or may not have turned out had his management gone a different route, but my gut tells me it could have been better.

Opinion, thoughts?

Nacho told JMM to **** on the Pac rematch and fight John for 30 Gs. :lol1:

Some might say Joe Louis and his management giving up 10% of all his future purses for a shot at Jimmy Braddock.

You mean Braddock and his management got paid 10% of Joe Louis' purses from every fight in his career,after their title fight????


My all time worst managerial decision goes to the managment of Pete Rademacher....

That is appalling management.How good could Rademacher have been?

You mean Braddock and his management got paid 10% of Joe Louis' purses from every fight in his career,after their title fight????

Exactly. Braddocks team probably knew this fight was going to be an execution and brokered the best deal if he was going to lose his title. Louis' team on the other hand probablynever fore saw his future financial problems and wanted to get its shot at the title before Schmeling, and the title possibly going to nazi Germany. It was a move that will ultimately keep Joe Louis in the record books forever with his 25 defenses, but cost him a lot of money he could have used later on in life.

That is appalling management.How good could Rademacher have been?

I will have to leave that question to bigger and better boxing minds than my own. But I have no doubt he would have been a more confident and properly trained professional had he been brought along in a better way. It doesn't take a genius, either now or then, to realize the capabilities of an amatuer compared to a seasoned pro. Folley already had wins over Wayne Bethea, Nino Valdes and a draw with Ediie Machen and hadn't lost in 3 years. That alone should have been a dead give away, but they were probably banking on the fact that Pete and zorra split a pair of fights in the amatuers years before. Just a very stupid decision in my opinion.

Nacho told JMM to **** on the Pac rematch and fight John for 30 Gs. :lol1:

Great trainer, but not exactly a wizard of management. How do you turn down 750k, yet settle foe 30k AND go to the other guys back yard. Good call Mangler!

I will have to leave that question to bigger and better boxing minds than my own. But I have no doubt he would have been a more confident and properly trained professional had he been brought along in a better way. It doesn't take a genius, either now or then, to realize the capabilities of an amatuer compared to a seasoned pro. Folley already had wins over Wayne Bethea, Nino Valdes and a draw with Ediie Machen and hadn't lost in 3 years. That alone should have been a dead give away, but they were probably banking on the fact that Pete and zorra split a pair of fights in the amatuers years before. Just a very stupid decision in my opinion.

Here's an interview with Rademacher if anyone is interested.

www. b o x i n g i n s i d e r .com/headlines/where-are-they-now-pete-rademacher/

*************.com: Do you wish now you would have had a few fights before the title shot?
Pete Rademacher: I think that had I been ten rounds once or twice in my life that I could have beat Patterson. Mechanically I was solid; I just didn’t have the stamina and endurance.

*************.com: Zora Folley KO’D you as well in your second fight. Were there any doubts at that
time about continuing to fight?
Pete Rademacher: I beat Zora in Seattle in I think 1950 and earlier in Boston in the Nationals. I just took a terrible whipping in that fight. I was quite discouraged. I went home, talked to my wife and decided I wanted to continue. I fought all over the world.

He did beat a young George Chuvalo by a decision.

Here's an interview with Rademacher if anyone is interested.

www. b o x i n g i n s i d e r .com/headlines/where-are-they-now-pete-rademacher/

Manchine, could you post another link, this one isn't working. As far as his quote.....He was overmatched. Simple as that. He wasn't knocked down 6 times in 6 rounds because of stamina imo.

If he hadn't of fought Patterson and Folley to start his career, how do you think he would have turned out as a pro? Do you think he could have made some serious waves, or was he just an olympic flash in the pan?

Vargas rushing into Tito fight after schiooling Ike. I think he would have been alot better if he took another 2 years building himself up.

Manchine, could you post another link, this one isn't working. As far as his quote.....He was overmatched. Simple as that. He wasn't knocked down 6 times in 6 rounds because of stamina imo.

If he hadn't of fought Patterson and Folley to start his career, how do you think he would have turned out as a pro? Do you think he could have made some serious waves, or was he just an olympic flash in the pan?

You have to delete the spaces. Unfourtunately the correct link can't be posted without spaces, because it gets censored.

Vargas rushing into Tito fight after schiooling Ike. I think he would have been alot better if he took another 2 years building himself up.

Vargas didn't school Ike Quartey.

He outboxed him and made him cry at the end. Put uit this way, it wasn't a robbery like goldengirls who didn't want to fight the undefeated Vargas.

if he bidded his time and gained more experience thorugh mandatories for a couple more years, a young gun of his age would have surely only get better. Tito gave him a lowblow coz he was in trouble and almost ready for a KTFO! that was a good performance for a kid who had less fights than tito had title fights. Dumb management!

He outboxed him and made him cry at the end. Put uit this way, it wasn't a robbery like goldengirls who didn't want to fight the undefeated Vargas.

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What in your opinion are some of the worst managerial decions to ever be made in boxing?



Some might say Joe Louis and his management giving up 10% of all his future purses for a shot at Jimmy Braddock.



Louis probably wouldn't have had the titleshot if not for some very beneficial bonus for the champ. At the time noone could have foreseen the greatness and longevity of Louis. So Louis gave a slice of future earnings for a titleshot with a larger check.

As for bad managerial decisions well most seem good initially but turns out in a bad way with the benefit of hindsight.

The Rademacher example is a prime example of a situation looking bad initially as well. Also from Pattersons perspective. I have always been puzzled by the fact that Patterson even wanted to fight him. You can say that Patterson's management also made a bad decision by allowing their fighter to fight that novice, when very worthy challengers was standing in line. Patterson himself lost a lot of credibility fighting Rademacher even being KD'ed in the process. And that was made worse by him being destroyed by Liston although he did slightly better the second time around. 4 sec. better i.e. :lol1:

The Rademacher example is a prime example of a situation looking bad initially as well. Also from Pattersons perspective. I have always been puzzled by the fact that Patterson even wanted to fight him. You can say that Patterson's management also made a bad decision by allowing their fighter to fight that novice, when very worthy challengers was standing in line. Patterson himself lost a lot of credibility fighting Rademacher even being KD'ed in the process. And that was made worse by him being destroyed by Liston although he did slightly better the second time around. 4 sec. better i.e. :lol1:

I read an article about it, the money offer was supposedly too good to decline...

Cus D'Amato said he didn't want to give mob-controlled fighters title shots but he probably wanted to protect Patterson (who didn't have the greatest chin) and his title from big punchers.
Valdes, Machen, Williams and Folley were all deserving contenders.

Then again Ingemar Johansson was the undisputed number 1 challenger when Patterson faced him so there may have been some truth to it.
Rumour is though that Patterson's camp didn't think too much of Johansson.

Patterson was destroyed by Johansson but he came back and won.

He came back from the Liston defeats too. You could make a good case that he won those fights against Quarry and Ellis. He dominated Machen and outboxed Chuvalo and Bonavena.

For a 180 lb heavyweight Patterson had some longevity.

Patterson was well mamanged. Cus knew his limitations and made excuses at the right time! He even said he knew Patterson wouldn't beat certain men and told him so. heard it in a documnetary once. Cus managed tyson perfectly too and if he didn't die then he would have got past Buster Douglas!!! Messing with the Catskill connection was a big mistake by the tyson camp.

Some might say Joe Louis and his management giving up 10% of all his future purses for a shot at Jimmy Braddock.

Opinion, thoughts?

You have to look at the big picture here. By all means, Schmelling was worthier of the title shot and would have iced Braddock. If Schmelling had the title the Nazi regime could have held it hostage in Germany as long as they desired and there was no guarantee Louis could get a shot. Time was of the essence, Louis was in his prime and World War II was on the horizon.

Certainly Hitler would not stand for a black man knocking a German out in the third reich.

It was a necessary evil. Besides, Braddock didn't break Louis' bank, the US Government and the IRS did. The way America treated Louis is an everlasting black eye on our history.