With so many good fights coming up and people yelling that rematches need to happen as well. Some of them should take place, but others are a waste of time. For example, Golata. I don't think he deserves a rematch with anybody. He really hasn't fought enough to deserve the initial match. Now king has himm in again on another PPV. If he loses... No matter how close.. No rematch! Way to many others deserving a fight. When we have to watch Holyfield take Ruiz on for a fourth time, somebody needs to get their Lisence revoked!

holyfield v bowe for sure.

bowe golata another. in fact bowe full stop .

mate you should change that avatar its not right.

That is one sick pic you posted !

I really don't want to see Wright-Mosley II.
I really think Mosley has nothing for Winky. Shane looks anemic.

I'm not terribly interested in Morales-Barrera III, either.
Their second fight was a terrible disappointment, & they both have other FRESH, interesting matchups they could be in...


& please, if it's even being THOUGHT about....no Vargas-DeLaHoya II !

agree there jabs think Shane lost it when he moved up to be honest. In fact if you include his fight with de la hoya which he didnt win in my book, then he hasnt acquitted himself well for some considerable time. Winky though at the time of the first meet was one of the most underrated boxers around.

Glad he is now getting the kudos he deserves, there was a time when he was in London every other month badshing up the British challengers. Great fighter done it the hard way. :cool:

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I'm not terribly interested in Morales-Barrera III, either.
Their second fight was a terrible disappointment, & they both have other FRESH, interesting matchups they could be in...

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Good point there, especially considering that if Barrera gets beaten up, he's done. I wish these guys had eliminated all other options before doing this. I guess we'll just have to hope they've got enough left to make this one comparable to the first one.

Despite what the DLH apologists say, he does not deserve a rematch with Hopkins. He wasn't even in the same league.

I agree that Mosley-Wright II will probably be pretty dull. Mosley's probably at the end of the line.

Hopkins, come to think of it, shouldn't give a rematch to anyone except Tito (and RJJ if he's up to it). The other pretenders to the throne were all beat up too much to deserve a second shot.

How bout Tyson vs Williams. Who wants to see Mike Tyson get beat

up again?

:eek: anyone vs ruiz..i am actually ok with a tyson rematch...but ruiz...awww

How bout Tyson vs Williams. Who wants to see Mike Tyson get beat

up again?

I almost put that one down, but I didn't want to catch flak from the Tyson fans.

Oh well, guess I will now...

the most obvious one is coming up
Wright vs Mosley II
why the hell does shane want to show the world for the forth time that he doesnt know how to handle an ass whoopen
he just doesnt know when to say quit
and in this case its not a good thing

Second big one is Hopkins vs Trinidad II
there is no need besides financial to see this fight

ofcourse id watch these fights
i mean who doesnt like watching a guy dismantal another fighter
but honestly
we all know the outcome of both of these fights

Despite what the DLH apologists say, he does not deserve a rematch with Hopkins. He wasn't even in the same league.

Hopkins, come to think of it, shouldn't give a rematch to anyone except Tito

ok ok let me understand your logic
we all know that tito isnt in the same league as oscar right?
he proved that by outboxing tito about 8 or 9 rounds

now oscar wasnt in hopkins league even tho he managed to win some rounds?
doenst matter if it was only becuz of lack of hopkins will
the point it he wasnt able to get all the rounds

but tito who managed to get almost no rounds against hopkins
he did get staggered, stunned, wobbled, rocked, shaken up, and just a brutal ass whoopen

and some how Tito is in Hopkins league

soooooooooooo............
DLH > Tito and DLH < Hopkins
yet some how
Hopkins = Tito
and DLH < hopkins

i do agree that oscar is not as good as hopkins
but to say tito deserves a rematch
gimme a break

[QUOTE=Bombardier]Despite what the DLH apologists say, he does not deserve a rematch with Hopkins. He wasn't even in the same league.

Hopkins, come to think of it, shouldn't give a rematch to anyone except Tito QUOTE]

ok ok let me understand your logic
we all know that tito isnt in the same league as oscar right?
he proved that by outboxing tito about 8 or 9 rounds

now oscar wasnt in hopkins league even tho he managed to win some rounds?
doenst matter if it was only becuz of lack of hopkins will
the point it he wasnt able to get all the rounds

but tito who managed to get almost no rounds against hopkins
he did get staggered, stunned, wobbled, rocked, shaken up, and just a brutal ass whoopen

and some how Tito is in Hopkins league

soooooooooooo............
DLH > Tito and DLH < Hopkins
yes some how
Hopkins = Tito
and DLH < hopkins

gimme a break


No, you give us a break !

Hopkins-Tito at least looked like a real fight. Not a love-tap session that ended with something SLIGHTLY harder than a love tap.


Where do you get this bull**** that Tito isn't in Oscar's league ?

Look at their common opponents....Tito beat all of them better, & most of them first (Campas, Carr, Vargas)!

Whoa....Oscar wouldn't come off of his bike for 8, then hopped on his MOTORCYCLE for the last 4...what domination !
Yeah, that's only dominance to an Oscar nutlicker, or a Mexican.
F*ckin' Mexicans would MOCK a brother or a P.R. if they fought like the ***** Oscar was that night.

Tito, unlike Oscar, can PUNCH at 154-160.
Unlike Oscar, when he fought Hopkins, Tito was a THREAT.

No, you give us a break !

Hopkins-Tito at least looked like a real fight. Not a love-tap session that ended with something SLIGHTLY harder than a love tap.


Where do you get this bull**** that Tito isn't in Oscar's league ?

Look at their common opponents....Tito beat all of them better, & most of them first (Campas, Carr, Vargas)!

Whoa....Oscar wouldn't come off of his bike for 8, then hopped on his MOTORCYCLE for the last 4...what domination !
Teah, that's only dominance to an Oscar nutlicker, or a Mexican.
F*ckin' Mexicans would MOCK a brother or a P.R. if they fought like the ***** Oscar was that night.

Tito, unlike Oscar, can PUNCH at 154-160.
Unlike Oscar, when he fought Hopkins, Tito was a THREAT.

lmao
u serioulsy think
Hopkins-Tito
looked like a fight?
that looked like a fukin mugging

ok ok let me understand your logic
we all know that tito isnt in the same league as oscar right?
he proved that by outboxing tito about 8 or 9 rounds

now oscar wasnt in hopkins league even tho he managed to win some rounds?
doenst matter if it was only becuz of lack of hopkins will
the point it he wasnt able to get all the rounds

but tito who managed to get almost no rounds against hopkins
he did get staggered, stunned, wobbled, rocked, shaken up, and just a brutal ass whoopen

and some how Tito is in Hopkins league

soooooooooooo............
DLH > Tito and DLH < Hopkins
yes some how
Hopkins = Tito
and DLH < hopkins

gimme a break

You're ignoring every single factor that defeats your argument, most notably age and recent history. By your logic, since Buster Douglas beat up Tyson 15 years ago, and Danny Williams beat him a few months ago, then Buster deserves to fight Danny.

Oscar proved nothing except that he has no punching power at middleweight (as he proved so many times recently in even lighter divisions). He has lost his last three fights and is getting on in years. The fact that he "won" a few rounds against Hopkins doesn't mean a thing. Landing 2 punches against a fighter who throws 1 at you does not mean you dominated the round.

Tito is younger and tore up Mayorga, a flawed though respected fighter. His fight against Hopkins was an upset loss, unlike DLH's loss. Most fighters who get upset get a rematch. Witness Tyson-Holyfield, witness Lewis-Rachman, witness DLH-Mosley, witness Ali-Liston II, witness Liston-Patterson II, witness Tunney-Dempsey II, etc, etc, etc.

lmao
u serioulsy think
Hopkins-Tito
looked like a fight?
that looked like a fukin mugging


It was one-sided...I'm not gonna argue. But Tito hung in, & his power made him a threat deep into the fight.


Here's the real difference...

Trinidad is an exciting power-puncher....who'll fight until he can't fight anymore.

Oscar has repeatedly turned in overly tactical, tentative performances in some of his bggest fights.
He's actually BORING.

Not to mention...he went out like a COWARD against Hopkins.

Tito took his punishment like a real man & fighter.

Oscar BAILED....took his 30 million, & YOUR 60 bucks.

It was one-sided...I'm not gonna argue. But Tito hung in, & his power made him a threat deep into the fight.


Here's the real difference...

Trinidad is an exciting power-puncher....who'll fight until he can't fight anymore.

Oscar has repeatedly turned in overly tactical, tentative performances in some of his bggest fights.
He's actually BORING.

Not to mention...he went out like a COWARD against Hopkins.

Tito took his punishment like a real man & fighter.

Oscar BAILED....took his 30 million, & YOUR 60 bucks.

so boring win
over exciting losses
make a tito better then oscar?

ya it would be a better show
but tito wouldnt have chance to beat him

so boring win
over exciting losses
make a tito better then oscar?

ya it would be a better show
but tito wouldnt have chance to beat him


Did Oscar beat Hopkins ? No


I am a fight fan, more than a fan of any fighter.
Excitement is more important to me than who wins & who loses, when it comes to POTENTIAL matches.

If Trinidad fights Hopkins again.....he will at least be a threat until the fight is over. That, I know.
He could be getting schooled the whole way...but everyone will still sit on the edge of their seats thinking he's one punch away from making a difference.

I don't think Oscar or Tito should be viewed, in terms of acheivement/greatness, any differently from each other.
But, Trinidad is by far the more compelling & entertaining fighter.

so boring win
over exciting losses
make a tito better then oscar?

ya it would be a better show
but tito wouldnt have chance to beat him

Don't kid yourself...if Oscar had fought as hard as Tito did against Hopkins he would have been beaten down even earlier, and the fight would have been an even bigger blowout than the Trinidad one.

Cautionary tactics are only useful if you have a way to WIN the fight after all your dancing around. Otherwise you just look like a fool.

If Tito did SOMEHOW beat Hopkins.....all the Oscar fans would simultaneously vomit.

That's why you all don't want Hopkins-Trinidad II.

If Tito did SOMEHOW beat Hopkins.....all the Oscar fans would simultaneously vomit.


Man, Hopkins is my favourite fighter but I wouldn't mind seeing him lose to Tito just to see that happen :D !

Oscar really doesn't deserve a rematch with anybody. Shane hasn't been the same since Forrest beat him. I always thought that Echols deserved a rematch with Hopkins. RJJ has disapointed us to the point if he comes back, it better be good. Golata deserved the rematch against Bowe, but he blew it twice. Moales and Barerra should be free on HBO. MAB is done. Morales should just walk away and do something for his fans. ****, Ward vs Gatti 3 was uncalled for. With all these guys wanting rematches, it is causing the guys on top to stay on top. We need a change of the guard.

If Oscar were a real fighter....he'd rematch FELIX STURM.

But.....Sturm will need to get beaten up....dropped...exposed....in a car accident....SOMETHING, before Oscar would rematch him.

Man Jab you really have problems with Oscar...I agree he lost to Sturm but there is not a fighter out there today that has done more to promote the sport that we all love and as we all know this sport needs serious promoting. You act like Oscar is a *****, keep in mind he is fighting at a foreign weight, how many fighters can say they moved up and been comptetitive in every weight class they have been in(although ko'd he was far more competitive than tito against Hopkins and the funny thing, for a feather fisted guy like Oscar why did Nard show him more respect in the ring than Tito?). Not very many! Love him/hate him give him his due instead of picking on him for a fight or fights at middleweight.

With so many good fights coming up and people yelling that rematches need to happen as well. Some of them should take place, but others are a waste of time. For example, Golata. I don't think he deserves a rematch with anybody. He really hasn't fought enough to deserve the initial match. Now king has himm in again on another PPV. If he loses... No matter how close.. No rematch! Way to many others deserving a fight. When we have to watch Holyfield take Ruiz on for a fourth time, somebody needs to get their Lisence revoked!

How did you get asian sensation's picture?

Trinidad went to Hopkins, Hopkins was not given the opportunity to show or not show Tito respect.
With Oscar...Oscar was not coming forward, & Hopkins is always more comfortable as a counterpuncher.

Oscar was not more competitive with Hopkins. That's just false. Winning a few rounds does not make you competitive.
Trinidad hit Hopkins more, & hit him harder.
Oscar did not land a single punch worth a damn against Hopkins.

I don't care what the size differential was, Oscar got 30 MILLION DOLLARS....& he quit !
It's not so much that he quit, but that YOU ALL refuse to see it, or acknowledge it.

No matter what....

We will never see Felix Trinidad go down from such a pathetic punch, like the one Hopkins dropped Oscar with, faked or for real.

Trinidad went to Hopkins, Hopkins was not given the opportunity to show or not show Tito respect.
With Oscar...Oscar was not coming forward, & Hopkins is always more comfortable as a counterpuncher.

Oscar was not more competitive with Hopkins. That's just false. Winning a few rounds does not make you competitive.
Trinidad hit Hopkins more, & hit him harder.
Oscar did not land a single punch worth a damn against Hopkins.

I don't care what the size differential was, Oscar got 30 MILLION DOLLARS....& he quit !
It's not so much that he quit, but that YOU ALL refuse to see it, or acknowledge it.

take it easy bro...ur gonna make Jose and Abdiel cry... :D

take it easy bro...ur gonna make Jose and Abdiel cry... :D

Maybe their tears will wash some of that Oscar nut from out of their eyes.

How did you get asian sensation's picture?

He will be the next great champ!

Oscar doesn't deserve a rematch with anybody. He runs too much. He fights scared. Sturm deserves the rematch. Even money too. But we all know that wouldn't happen. I will give credit for giving Sturm a fight. Byrd shouldn't get any rematches, he doesn't deserve to fight. He shouldn't even hold a belt, there are too many people out there that could whoop up Byrd, Like the Asian Sensation!!!!!

That picture is really DISTURBING.

I can't tell if it's a flat-chested dyke..or a small-dicked ***.

Can you tell me, 1God ?


& is that a shower curtain behind whatever that thing is ?

So Jab you are saying that Hopkins was doing all of the leading during the fight? Maybe the last two rounds but Oscar went at Nard quite a bit. I agree that Oscar didn't land **** but for the first six rounds neither did Nard. It was a very boring fight, maybe you and I have a different definition of what competitive actually means. Tito/Nard was completely dominated by one guy, if you look at it you could make a strong case that Felix didn't win a round. The fight was over way before the 12th, it was a done deal that Hopkins was going to win. The fight with Oscar was still on the table, had Oscar been able to avoid a fade in the late rounds and continue to do what he was doing(which was very little but the same should be said for Nard) you and I jab and the rest of the sport would have had no clue going into the decision who was coming out on top, aka the fight was competitive.

Oh I don't consider myself a Oscar nut hugger at all, in fact I won a lot of money on Mosely in their second fight, money that I thought I did not deserve yet was awarded anyway. How many Oscar/Tito nuthuggers put money on the other guy, none I know of.

So Jab you are saying that Hopkins was doing all of the leading during the fight? Maybe the last two rounds but Oscar went at Nard quite a bit. I agree that Oscar didn't land **** but for the first six rounds neither did Nard. It was a very boring fight, maybe you and I have a different definition of what competitive actually means. Tito/Nard was completely dominated by one guy, if you look at it you could make a strong case that Felix didn't win a round. The fight was over way before the 12th, it was a done deal that Hopkins was going to win. The fight with Oscar was still on the table, had Oscar been able to avoid a fade in the late rounds and continue to do what he was doing(which was very little but the same should be said for Nard) you and I jab and the rest of the sport would have had no clue going into the decision who was coming out on top, aka the fight was competitive.

thats how i see it
just cuz i say oscar was leaden
doesnt mean he was leaden in some dominant way like hopkins against tito
he always says
IF hopkins had done this and that it would been over earlier
well duh
but the point is he didnt

and in hopkins-tito
no matter what tito tryed hopkins was 3 steps ahead

thats how i see it
just cuz i say oscar was leaden
doesnt mean he was leaden in some dominant way like hopkins against tito
he always says
IF hopkins had done this and that it would been over earlier
well duh
but the point is he didnt

and in hopkins-tito
no matter what tito tryed hopkins was 3 steps ahead


Oscar did virtually nothing, while Hopkins did nothing.

Neither deserves any credit for that, guys.

So easily impressed because one guy LET another do virtually nothing, huh ?

I am not easily impressed you said it well both guys did nothing...like I said a very boring fight yet competitive at the same time.

The fight wasn't that bad. It was actually fun to watch. I can watch it one hundred times and still not be bored of it.

like I said a very boring fight yet competitive at the same time.

WTF??? "very boring fight yet competitive"...do you know what competitive means???

WTF??? "very boring fight yet competitive"...do you know what competitive means???

do you?
competetive doesnt mean exciting
chess can be competitve
but its not exciting

in the end i dont think either oscar or tito deserve a rematch with hopkins
tito has power but couldnt land anything
oscar was able to land but couldnt hurt hopkins

do you?
competetive doesnt mean exciting
chess can be competitve
but its not exciting

So u believe that fight was competitive to?

in the end i dont think either oscar or tito deserve a rematch with hopkins
tito has power but couldnt land anything
oscar was able to land but couldnt hurt hopkins

of course Tito deserves a rematch with Nard..and Nard deserves to make the $$$$ that only a rematch with Tito can provide him.

So u believe that fight was competitive to?

i dont even know what fight ur talkin about
but i wa sclarifying that competeive doesnt not equal exciting or boring

i dont even know what fight ur talkin about
but i wa sclarifying that competeive doesnt not equal exciting or boring

Man Jab you really have problems with Oscar...I agree he lost to Sturm but there is not a fighter out there today that has done more to promote the sport that we all love and as we all know this sport needs serious promoting. You act like Oscar is a *****, keep in mind he is fighting at a foreign weight, how many fighters can say they moved up and been comptetitive in every weight class they have been in(although ko'd he was far more competitive than tito against Hopkins and the funny thing, for a feather fisted guy like Oscar why did Nard show him more respect in the ring than Tito?). Not very many! Love him/hate him give him his due instead of picking on him for a fight or fights at middleweight.

i was referring to this post...

Anyhoo, one rematch I don't think we need to see is Wright-Mosely. I guess miracles do happen, but they better happen early and often for Shane, or this will just be a sad re-run...

Forget Mosley Vs Wright, its gonna be Wright`s second superfight and he deserves it, let him get the W and the money.
Secondly, Tito does NOT at this momment deserve a rematch with Hopkins. It was a mismatch of gross proportions. Tito hardly landed, didn`t effect Hop with his punches at all. If the same fight exactly was fought with two different fighters and only comments that might be made are that Tito has a good chin and Hopkins was playing safe!! But a rematch i think would be a repeat and perhaps quicker, maybe 8 rounds win for Hop with Tito not winning a round. Tito is unable to box with a schooled boxer who isn`t shot. Oscar proved it, Nard sealed it!
Please forget this rematch because it`ll be boring. Why doesn`t Tito target a winnable fight like Taylor or Felix Strum, don`t waste peoples time and money with Tito being the sparring parnter to the pound for pound best in the world!

Forget Mosley Vs Wright, its gonna be Wright`s second superfight and he deserves it, let him get the W and the money.
Secondly, Tito does NOT at this momment deserve a rematch with Hopkins. It was a mismatch of gross proportions. Tito hardly landed, didn`t effect Hop with his punches at all. If the same fight exactly was fought with two different fighters and only comments that might be made are that Tito has a good chin and Hopkins was playing safe!! But a rematch i think would be a repeat and perhaps quicker, maybe 8 rounds win for Hop with Tito not winning a round. Tito is unable to box with a schooled boxer who isn`t shot. Oscar proved it, Nard sealed it!
Please forget this rematch because it`ll be boring. Why doesn`t Tito target a winnable fight like Taylor or Felix Strum, don`t waste peoples time and money with Tito being the sparring parnter to the pound for pound best in the world!

I agree 100%

i was referring to this post...

it was competeive
becuz hopkins didnt press his advantages til the last 2 or 3 rounds
even he knew he had to step it up
he would have had an easy nite had he just put more pressure on
but he seemed a bit baffled dat oscar was willing to stand and trade more then normal

Holyfield vs anyone, including your Mama...............Hell I'll put $ 5 on my Mama against Evander.

:eek: anyone vs ruiz..i am actually ok with a tyson rematch...but ruiz...awww
yep...........................

Yeah.. I agree most of the rematches that are coming up were not close the first time around.
Winky vs. Sugar- The first one was a clear win for Wright
Kosta vs. Sharmba- The fist fight it was the leg, what will it be Saturday night?
Barrera vs Morales 3- The first fight was an all out war but the second fight was pretty boring. They could have saved this one for the end of they're careers.