View Full Version : Bas Rutten “Kimbo Has More Skill Than Lesnar.”


snakerattle79
09-14-2008, 06:28 AM
http://www.themmanews.com/?p=1625

EliteXC held their Conference Call today and it was quite a lively affair. In addition to the usual banter between Ken Shamrock and Kimbo Slice(during which Shamrock certainly held his own) there was an interesting comment made by Slice’s trainer Bas Rutten. Here’s the gist of it(not a direct quote):

Kimbo has much more skill than Brock Lesnar and feels he is a more well rounded fighter. Bas doesnt want to take anything away from Lesnar, but he feels Kimbo is just better.

Rutten has been known to be a straight shooter in the MMA world, but this statement is a hard one to justify, especially after Slice’s last performance. EliteXC CBS Saturday Night Fights takes place on October 4th and will feature Ken Shamrock returning to action against mainstream MMA fighter Kimbo Slice.


***Cmon Bas! that's not True***

Palma
09-14-2008, 06:36 AM
Funny!

Brock's trainer says the same thing about Brock! :dance:

Kimbo has got the foundation and he will be a force in the future. But it kills me that he is hyped so much, false advertising in my opinion!!

Business is Business I guess!

Left Hook Tua
09-14-2008, 09:30 AM
bull****.

lesnar has a high school and collegiate wrestling background.

what's bimbo spice's background? bouncer for strippers?

YUHHHHHHH!
09-14-2008, 12:06 PM
bull****.

lesnar has a high school and collegiate wrestling background.

what's bimbo spice's background? bouncer for strippers?

I would pick a person who's been fighting their entire life to win a fight over a high school wrestler.

th4l3pr3ch4un
09-14-2008, 12:27 PM
I would pick a person who's been fighting their entire life to win a fight over a high school wrestler.

i can agree with that statement...
but lesnar was not just a high school wrestler...
he was all american and the best in the country in college lol

I dont even know if kimbos striking is even that much better then brocks, but i do know in only two mma fights lesnars opposition far outshines any W kimbo has or possibly will ever have.

jakkups
09-14-2008, 10:04 PM
Good Lord, Bas is either losing the plot or he just came back from Holland and hasn't quite fully recovered. :439:

Alexis Vastine
09-14-2008, 10:07 PM
Like Mayweather said, UFC is for the bums who could not make it to the bigtime of boxing!!! Kimbo Slice, the backyard boxer turned brawling bum epitomises the bum philosophy of UFC.

jakkups
09-14-2008, 10:16 PM
Like Mayweather said, UFC is for the bums who could not make it to the bigtime of boxing!!! Kimbo Slice, the backyard boxer turned brawling bum epitomises the bum philosophy of UFC.

Erm, Kimbo fights in EliteXC smarty-pants. I guess that means that guys like BJ Penn or Randy Couture who came from a grappling background and are proven world-class operators in their respective fields are just bums too. You don't have a clue what you're talking about just like Floyd Mayweather.

American_Ninja
09-15-2008, 12:38 AM
Brock has better cardio than Ferguson. Yea Fergy can punch like a mule
but he gases pretty damn fast. Bas is full of it.

Virgil Caine
09-15-2008, 03:24 AM
Good Lord, Bas is either losing the plot or he just came back from Holland and hasn't quite fully recovered. :439:

Lol, no ****.

As for the article, I really don't see why they couldn't just quote Bas directly, rather than offering a ****ty (as well as ungrammatical) paraphrase.

Cuauhtémoc1520
09-15-2008, 10:40 AM
bull****.

lesnar has a high school and collegiate wrestling background.

what's bimbo spice's background? bouncer for strippers?

That's the point, he has NO EXPERIENCE. Yet he's headlining shows in MMA and it kills you guys.

The hate for Kimbo is so funny. I just don't understand why you guys don't see this man as what he really is, just a man trying to make a living.

Kimbo is a street fighter taking a crash course in MMA and for some odd reason it pisses you guys off.

Kimbo is 33, he doesn't have much time left.

Left Hook Tua
09-15-2008, 10:46 AM
That's the point, he has NO EXPERIENCE. Yet he's headlining shows in MMA and it kills you guys.

The hate for Kimbo is so funny. I just don't understand why you guys don't see this man as what he really is, just a man trying to make a living.

Kimbo is a street fighter taking a crash course in MMA and for some odd reason it pisses you guys off.

Kimbo is 33, he doesn't have much time left.

and how do you know it pisses me off?

kimbo is trying to make his money nothing wrong with that.

my comment is directed toward bas' comment.

kimbo is not that good. he's a tough guy with good power. nothing more.

he's entertaining and i watch his fights. that said there are very few good heavyweights or even light heavyweights that he would beat.

beardown
09-15-2008, 11:10 AM
after kimbo loses to "well past prime" ken, this will be nothing but a stupid comment.

Cuauhtémoc1520
09-15-2008, 02:50 PM
and how do you know it pisses me off?

kimbo is trying to make his money nothing wrong with that.

my comment is directed toward bas' comment.

kimbo is not that good. he's a tough guy with good power. nothing more.

he's entertaining and i watch his fights. that said there are very few good heavyweights or even light heavyweights that he would beat.

after kimbo loses to "well past prime" ken, this will be nothing but a stupid comment.


It does piss you guys off because I hear the talk radio, the posts on the web about how Kimbo is a "bum".

I love the guy personally, he's just doing what he knows to do and that's kick people's ass. He's got no training in MMA and is 33 years old yet he's out ther getting in the ring with proffesionals.

I repect him a lot more than people typing about him behind a computer screen, he's out there doing it.

I doubt he beats Shamrock, as a matter of fact I think he's going to KO Shamrock. One thing about Kimbo is he's got a punchers chance against anyone in the game and that doesn't sit well with a lot of you hardcore MMA guys.

I don't see Rashad Evans striking better than Kimbo's, at least not with the hands. Granted, Kimbo can't kick effectively but he can punch very well. He has straight, clean punches that hit their target and that could be dangerous for anyone.

If Kimbo goes to the ground, he's pretty much done and Ken Shamrock better do that IMMEDIATLY if he want's to win.

RisAri0
09-15-2008, 03:28 PM
I would pick a person who's been fighting their entire life to win a fight over a high school wrestler.

in the streets yea.... but professionally being brought up with a discipline in events with rules and regulations, I rather pick the guy who's been there and done that (Fedor is prime example).... if only Kimbo competed in controlled sanctioned environments before then he'd have the best of both worlds..

KESSLER
09-15-2008, 04:13 PM
Brock is 100 times more skilled than Kimbo. Kimbo is a useless bum.

YUHHHHHHH!
09-15-2008, 05:14 PM
in the streets yea.... but professionally being brought up with a discipline in events with rules and regulations, I rather pick the guy who's been there and done that (Fedor is prime example).... if only Kimbo competed in controlled sanctioned environments before then he'd have the best of both worlds..

There's a few staple rules. MMA is closer to a street fight than Wrestling IMO.

But when it comes down to it, Brock Lesnar is a pampered celebrity. He's muscular, and has a bunch of ****ty tattoos. But honestly, look at him. You can tell he's soft.

When it's time to buckle down, and things get tough, I would choose Kimbo to prevail over Lesnar. He's a tough SOB. That's what growing up the way he did will do to someone. I can't wait for Lesnar to get clipped by his first real shot. You know he will be shook and begging for a take down after he eats his first real punch. That's the difference between Kimbo and Brock.

Cuauhtémoc1520
09-15-2008, 05:23 PM
There's a few staple rules. MMA is closer to a street fight than Wrestling IMO.

But when it comes down to it, Brock Lesnar is a pampered celebrity. He's muscular, and has a bunch of ****ty tattoos. But honestly, look at him. You can tell he's soft.

When it's time to buckle down, and things get tough, I would choose Kimbo to prevail over Lesnar. He's a tough SOB. That's what growing up the way he did will do to someone. I can't wait for Lesnar to get clipped by his first real shot. You know he will be shook and begging for a take down after he eats his first real punch. That's the difference between Kimbo and Brock.

I like watching Kimbo but that's just silly. Brock is the better wrestler and would have a big strength advantage over Kimbo. If it was just stand up though, I think Kimbo KO's him.

jakkups
09-15-2008, 06:58 PM
Brock would beat Kimbo with ease plain and simple. His takedowns are near enough unstoppable, he is far bigger, far stronger, and without doubt the more athletic man. He would do what he did to Heath Herring in his most recent fight, take him down and keep him there all the while punishing him with strikes. Kimbo wouldn't be able to last the distance with Brock, I mean the guy was gassed against Thompson who took him down numerous times and kept him there. If the megapunk can get the better of Kimbo then Brock would stop him. . . brutally.

Personally I praise Kimbo for doing something he obviously loves to do and getting paid very well for it. However, the fact remains that Kimbo's a bum from the streets, and he is still a bum from the streets and will forever be a bum from the streets. His MMA career is no different from his street fights because he is still fighting bums.

But soon enough when he gets a real challenge and by that I mean a hungry, up and comer or for that matter a ranked and proven heavyweight who isn't already shot and is just there for the name recognition, his luck will run out. And when that happens I will happily line up glasses of Drano for all the Kimbo sackriders to chug down and crawl back under the rocks from which they came.

Virgil Caine
09-15-2008, 07:14 PM
There's a few staple rules. MMA is closer to a street fight than Wrestling IMO.

Do you mean that MMA is closer to a street fight than MMA is to wrestling?

If so, I'd have to strongly disagree. MMA was essentially dominated for years by wrestlers and other grapplers, and wrestlers still make up a large and influential part of the sport. Wrestling has been proven to be an excellent foundation for MMA.

By contrast, very few freestyle streetbrawlers have made a dent in MMA, and none that i can think of have made a large dent (Tank Abbott in his heyday may represent the most successful brawler to date).

1bad65
09-15-2008, 07:14 PM
He has straight, clean punches that hit their target and that could be dangerous for anyone.

Do what?!?!

1bad65
09-15-2008, 07:16 PM
And when that happens I will happily line up glasses of Drano for all the Kimbo sackriders to chug down and crawl back under the rocks from which they came.

There's still one guy here who will need a drink!

The others actually had the intelligence to get off the bandwagon after he embarrassed himself against James Thompson.

YUHHHHHHH!
09-15-2008, 08:07 PM
I wonder how someone would rate my intelligence using just the information of me liking a humble fighter over a boastful celebrity.

beardown
09-15-2008, 08:40 PM
I wonder how someone would rate my intelligence using just the information of me liking a humble fighter over a boastful celebrity.

you didnt just call slice humble?

YUHHHHHHH!
09-16-2008, 12:11 PM
you didnt just call slice humble?

Yes, Kimbo Slice is humble.

Virgil Caine
09-19-2008, 01:56 AM
I wonder how someone would rate my intelligence using just the information of me liking a humble fighter over a boastful celebrity.

There's nothing wrong with liking Kimbo (hell, I enjoy watching his fights). Personally, I'm just trying to debate the facts, and the fact is that Kimbo has essentially no relevance to the heavyweight division.

YUHHHHHHH!
09-19-2008, 04:20 AM
no relevance to the heavyweight division.

Neither does Brock Lesnar getting a title shot.

Kakutogi-Gumi
09-19-2008, 05:52 AM
Neither does Brock Lesnar getting a title shot.

I agree. Brock should be climbing some more.

In terms of money making though, Brock is the safer of the two due to his resume and the matchmaking