I didn't realize bans were voted in for 11 out of 11 states. I think this is a non issue. Though the thought of it makes me ill, I don't really care about a couple pillowbiters or rugmunchers getting married. I think we should let them marry so they can be identified, then we draft them for the frontlines. That way they can do a service to our country and get eliminated in the same breath. :D

I don't agree with gay marriage but I wouldn't want a constitutional amendment banning them.

so you would rather let activist judges legalize it without taking a vote of the people

by the way john kerry voted against clintons protection of marriage bill said that each state should vote whether to legalize it or not

and you guys voted for this idiot because...?

so you would rather let activist judges legalize it without taking a vote of the people

by the way john kerry voted against clintons protection of marriage bill said that each state should vote whether to legalize it or not

and you guys voted for this idiot because...?
I don't care what Kerry's position was on *** marriages or if he flip flopped. It's not that importnat of an issue for me at all. I just like making fun of ****.

by the way, most people in this country thought slavery was OK. The "will" of the people (e.g. popular opinion) is no way to gauge policy.

I think the Backstreet Boys had a few No. 1 albums. Since "the will" of the people said so in terms of record sales, I hope that doesn't mean they belong in the Rock and Roll hall of fame. :D

I don't care if they get married, what difference is it to anyone else anyway? I don't personaly get the whole gay thing, but I guess if they wish to make that commitment to each other what is the big deal? :confused:It is just a piece of paper! Why would it even be on some states' ballot any damn way, what a waste of space on a ballot that could be used for something important...

agreed live n let live .....though I think the adoption issue is another story. To me that fundamentally is wrong you make the choice to be in a same sex relationship therefore you physically know that you cant have kids, im not sure we should encourage the whole "but its a stable relationship so why shouldnt we adopt" thing.

It doesnt sit well with me. You make your bed man, you lie in it you know.............certianly it shouldnt be done on the NHS if artifical insemination is required, i begrugdge paying my taxes for **** like that when there are much more worthy causes around.

there're thousands of kids in orphanages and institutions and abusive foster homes that wouldn't have a problem with a loving "***" or "dyke" homelife.

I don't care if they get married, what difference is it to anyone else anyway? I don't personaly get the whole gay thing, but I guess if they wish to make that commitment to each other what is the big deal? :confused:It is just a piece of paper! Why would it even be on some states' ballot any damn way, what a waste of space on a ballot that could be used for something important...

It would cost many states a lot of money because husband/husband and wife/wife relationships would result in a lot more people filing taxes as "married." Gay people could then be entitled to spouse insurance breaks, the money the government gives widows/widowers, etc.

Personally, the whole "defense of marriage" argument is ridiculous. Gays don't tarnish the image of marriage anymore than the fact that over 50% of straight marriages end up in divorce and lots of people marry 2,3,4 or more times.

Besides, it just sounds corny when tech9ne calls pbds his "life partner." He should be allowed to say "husband."

there're thousands of kids in orphanages and institutions and abusive foster homes that wouldn't have a problem with a loving "***" or "dyke" homelife.

I dont doubt that, I just dont think its right thats all.
thats my opinion it doesnt sit well with me, I know there is a bigger picture here, but how do you feel about those who dont want to adopt that insist on having medical assistance to father or mother their own, and expect you as a taxpayer to help them do that?

I dcant get my head round that and I think its wrong, fundamentally wrong. I can see your point but like I say its an uncomfortable issue for me is all.

Im not in anyway homophobic but lately it seems "its kool to be gay" you know, its taking over a lot of tv / press / magazine time, the winners of reality tv programmes almost certainly have to be gay or transexual , believe me its true in Britain, to me its not a fair reflection of society and I object to having erm, how can I put this, being rammed down my throat. :D

I don't agree with this at all and i think it's a pretty ****ed up world to be letting **** like this happen. It's wrong what they do and it shouldn't be acceptable at all. They are trying to blend gays into everyday life but to me they will always stick out like a sore thumb. Can you imagine what would happen to kids who get adopted into these freaky gay families??? Those kids will get pure hell and bullied when they are growing up by kids there own age. PLUS you have to bare in mind that the kid may grow up unstable been in a ****ed up environment like that. **** he may even turn gay himself and then thats another **** bandit to contend with.

My final thought is if a guy really wants to be a gay boy then thats his choice BUT it should be kept behind locked doors and NOT made out to be normal in any way, shape or form because it isn't. Marriage for them is wrong and adoption rights for them is wrong.

i was trying to be a little diplomatic wez but you about summed it up :D

that made me chuckle. :cool:

i was trying to be a little diplomatic wez but you about summed it up :D

that made me chuckle. :cool:

I was thinking of been diplomatic but then i thought to myself **** IT!!! :D

It's wrong and i cannot lie about it at all. It disturbs me how they are trying to blend them into society. They only rights they should be given is that we are aware there are gay people around, thats all. They don't deserve anything else in my opinion. Stupid people like Grahem Norton who talk in that stupid pathetic way really anger me. Is there any need to talk the way they do??? I mean come on, these are meant to be guys for crying out loud. :rolleyes:

fsair enough wez tho lesbians make good videoa if they are fit...ooops sorry for that but its true! ;)

Anyway I agree its people like norton that make my skin crawl, got no problem with gay folk who act normal and dont play up like a mincing queen, that gets on my nerves. Its the OTT stuff.

I dont belive they shouLd be ostracised but nor do I think that i should be forced to think it is normal. Cos I dont, and it dont matter what anyone says to me sucking a **** is not something that I could ever feel was normal for a bloke to do not any of the rest of it, it just doesnt make sense to me.

fsair enough wez tho lesbians make good videoa if they are fit...ooops sorry for that but its true! ;)

Anyway I agree its people like norton that make my skin crawl, got no problem with gay folk who act normal and dont play up like a mincing queen, that gets on my nerves. Its the OTT stuff.

I dont belive they shouLd be ostracised but nor do I think that i should be forced to think it is normal. Cos I dont, and it dont matter what anyone says to me sucking a **** is not something that I could ever feel was normal for a bloke to do not any of the rest of it, it just doesnt make sense to me.

LMAO I don't mind lesbians at all ;) I think lesbians are cool but gay guys are disgusting. :p

Would this be considered a bigoted thread, or is talking this way about homos exceptable while derragatory talk about different races is unexceptable? Im not sure if I see the difference between the two.

Been straight is something ALL the human race should be. I don't think races has anything to do with this at all.

Let me make a little formula for you :D

Gay = Wrong

Different race = Everyone is equal

Been straight is something ALL the human race should be. I don't think races has anything to do with this at all.

Let me make a little formula for you :D

Gay = Wrong

Different race = Everyone is equal

That's a tad hypocritical, don't you think? I know a guy who doesn't have any problem with gays but doesn't think races should mix. If he were to post here, he would get banned. What's the difference? He would say Gay=who cares; Non-whites: inferior. Prejudice is prejudice.

That's a tad hypocritical, don't you think? I know a guy who doesn't have any problem with gays but doesn't think races should mix. If he were to post here, he would get banned. What's the difference? He would say Gay=who cares; Non-whites: inferior. Prejudice is prejudice.

No i don't think it was hypocritical as it's my opinion. Been racist is a completely different thing in my opinion and comparing gay people to racism is a PATHETIC cheap way of defending them.

No i don't think it was hypocritical as it's my opinion. Been racist is a completely different thing in my opinion and comparing gay people to racism is a PATHETIC cheap way of defending them.

It's not to gay people who don't feel that their orientation is a choice, but rather who they are, just as race isn't.

Seems like on this board, you'll get banned if you talk bad about races, get scolded if you make fun or the mentally handicapped, verbally berated if you assault someone's religion - but those queers, they deserve hate speech!

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Saying you don't believe in a change of the legal definition of marriage is one thing. Saying someone is sick because of which consenting adult they choose to love is juvenile and prejudiced. It's a popular way of thinking, but hey, so's racial discrimination and gender discrimination. At least we seem to be working on moving past two of the three...

Listen....

We all worship at the foot of a sport where two guys beat the **** out of each other, for money....but then some of us are gonna take a moral stance about whether some dude is romantic with another dude ?
Gimmee a break.

Being gay is not a choice, you dummies. Who the f*ck would choose that life ?

My problem with this rampant homophobia really lies in the fact that people concern themselves with it.

Go to work....pay your f*cking taxes....don't start **** with people.......take care of your surroundings....help others out a little bit....& don't get worried about something like gays.

I just don't see how someone else's sex life effects you, if that person is of age to consent.

It's not to gay people who don't feel that their orientation is a choice, but rather who they are, just as race isn't.

Seems like on this board, you'll get banned if you talk bad about races, get scolded if you make fun or the mentally handicapped, verbally berated if you assault someone's religion - but those queers, they deserve hate speech!

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Saying you don't believe in a change of the legal definition of marriage is one thing. Saying someone is sick because of which consenting adult they choose to love is juvenile and prejudiced. It's a popular way of thinking, but hey, so's racial discrimination and gender discrimination. At least we seem to be working on moving past two of the three...

I know what your saying, i can understand your side of this debate. I just simply cannot understand why guys turn into ass bandits and i never will. Even though i feel this way i would never beat anyone for been gay and i would never verbally abuse them either to their faces. My take on them is if they keep themselves to themselves then it's cool by me. Thats why i said they should keep it behind closed doors. All this marriage stuff does get me really angry and adoption because that is the perfect breeding ground for ****ed up confused kids. I would hate to be brought up in a man on man household and i feel sorry for any kid that is who isn't given the choice.

I totally agree but when its so in your face in some instances and preferential treatment in some cases is being given to the minoirty this is known as reverse prejudice.

Look Im not quite as far right as Wez here, but I do resent paying my taxes so two people who are gay can have children using notionally tax money that the majority have payed for at the expense of the majority, i.e. other straight couples

that is ****ing wrong, I dont care what you say.

i dont actually care wheter people are gay as long as I dont have it shoved in face in the media in the tv etc etc etc, I dont wish to know about it it doesnt interest me. Sometimes you cant get away from it in this country and that gets on my tits.

Ive got a copuple of mates who are gay, doesnt bother me as long as they dont mince about like stereotypes they are kool. And they dont if you met them you wouldnt know. Its the kool to be queer crowd that **** me off.

Act like a stereotpye Ill treat you like one. plain and simple.

i think that sfair enough.

Listen....

We all worship at the foot of a sport where two guys beat the **** out of each other, for money....but then some of us are gonna take a moral stance about whether some dude is romantic with another dude ?
Gimmee a break.

Being gay is not a choice, you dummies. Who the f*ck would choose that life ?

My problem with this rampant homophobia really lies in the fact that people concern themselves with it.

Go to work....pay your f*cking taxes....don't start **** with people.......take care of your surroundings....help others out a little bit....& don't get worried about something like gays.

I just don't see how someone else's sex life effects you, if that person is of age to consent.

Well said. If someone wants to be gay, what the **** do I care.

I totally agree but when its so in your face in some instances and preferential treatment in some cases is being given to the minoirty this is known as reverse prejudice.

Look Im not quite as far right as Wez here, but I do resent paying my taxes so two people who are gay can have children using notionally tax money that the majority have payed for at the expense of the majority, i.e. other straight couples

that is ****ing wrong, I dont care what you say.

How are gay people having kids with tax payer money? Please explain.

I totally agree but when its so in your face in some instances and preferential treatment in some cases is being given to the minoirty this is known as reverse prejudice.

Look Im not quite as far right as Wez here, but I do resent paying my taxes so two people who are gay can have children using notionally tax money that the majority have payed for at the expense of the majority, i.e. other straight couples

that is ****ing wrong, I dont care what you say.

I agree 100% as taxes could be going towards far more worth while things.

I don't believe in gays being legally married.
They can have a little ceremony & all for themselves & those around them....but nothing LEGAL.

No tax advantages or "spouses" getting insurance.

They should just be free to be together, & they should be happy with that.

theres been a number of high profile cases England where gay couples are going through the whole having children with a female / male through artificial insemnination on the NHS. That is paid for by taxes of the common man and to be fair its in terrible state in this country.

This money should be spent on more beds and sorting out the infection probelms we have on our wards NOT helping those with alternative lifestyles achive what if they wanted enough they could achieve naturally but dont want to cos it turns em off.


Basically its costing lives so gay men /Women can have children without sleeping with a the opposite sex THATS WRONG AND ****ED UP.

Listen....

We all worship at the foot of a sport where two guys beat the **** out of each other, for money....but then some of us are gonna take a moral stance about whether some dude is romantic with another dude ?
Gimmee a break.

Being gay is not a choice, you dummies. Who the f*ck would choose that life ?

My problem with this rampant homophobia really lies in the fact that people concern themselves with it.

Go to work....pay your f*cking taxes....don't start **** with people.......take care of your surroundings....help others out a little bit....& don't get worried about something like gays.

I just don't see how someone else's sex life effects you, if that person is of age to consent.

LISTEN......

If someone wants to be gay i don't give a **** plain and simple. You make it sound like we are crusaders against it or something which is wrong as i'm SIMPLY stating my opinion. This is a forum and this is the non boxing section where people can debate anything they like. :p

When i log off this site all this bull**** will be out of my mind, it's called the bored at work syndrome and this happens to be a topic that keeps getting responses.

LISTEN......

If someone wants to be gay i don't give a **** plain and simple. You make it sound like we are crusaders against it or something which is wrong as i'm SIMPLY stating my opinion. This is a forum and this is the non boxing section where people can debate anything they like. :p

When i log off this site all this bull**** will be out of my mind, it's called the bored at work syndrome and this happens to be a topic that keeps getting responses.

No reason to explain to me about this forum being a place to state your opinion.
You state an opinion, I state mine, which doesn't jibe with yours......no reason to pull out the freedom of speech card.

Nobody wants to be gay, Wez.
I have a few gay friends.....& most of their lives have been very painful. Some have had family members who supposedly loved them, turn their backs on them once the truth was known.
Who would risk that kind of devastation because of sex ?

No reason to explain to me about this forum being a place to state your opinion.
You state an opinion, I state mine, which doesn't jibe with yours......no reason to pull out the freedom of speech card.

Nobody wants to be gay, Wez.
I have a few gay friends.....& most of their lives have been very painful. Some have had family members who supposedly loved them, turn their backs on them once the truth was known.
Who would risk that kind of devastation because of sex ?

I just don't understand it, i have never been around anyone who is gay that i'm aware of. Who knows perhaps if i had a gay family member or friend i may think SLIGHTLY different but as it is i don't. I just didn't want you thinking i was some next generation Nazi or something because thats not right.