Who Beat Who So Bad That They Went To The Hospital Right Away And Was Never The Same Fighter Again?

What about Bowe?

The beating Vargas took from Trinidad. He hasn't been the same.
Camacho Sr. went to war with someone I forgot the fighter's name but Camacho was never the same after the fight.

M.Tayloy, after he fought J.C.Chavez. that fight ended his career.

I Heard Taylor Pissed A Lot Of Blood After That Fight.

i'd have to say fernando vargas from my experience i havent been watchin boxing for a long time

bernard hopkins vs william joppy
hopkins vs joe lipsey
gatti vs gamache

so what about benn when he put that bloke in a coma and gave him brain dammage

i dont like mentining it but i cant believe you lot havent thought of that one, it didnt just end his career it ended his normal day to day life

so what about benn when he put that bloke in a coma and gave him brain dammage

i dont like mentining it but i cant believe you lot havent thought of that one, it didnt just end his career it ended his normal day to day life
Ah yes.
Benn should be praised for ending the career of that sick *******.

The 3 I can remeber seeing in my generation are

Chavez vs Taylor 1- Taylor was just an amzing fighter with maybe the fastest hands in the history of the sport and this fight just ruined him.

Benn vs McClellen- Gerald was fierce fighter and an all out warrior and he's now a vegtable because of this fight.

Trinidad vs Ried- Ried only had soemthing like 14 pro fights and his people decided to throw him in with a prime Tito, just a freaking crime to do that to a kid.

M.Tayloy, after he fought J.C.Chavez. that fight ended his career.

That has to be the saddest tragic story out there for me. That Legendary Nights episode always makes me cry at the end. I have no shame in admitting that at all. The rise and fall of a great ring warrior. :(

That has to be the saddest tragic story out there for me. That Legendary Nights episode always makes me cry at the end. I have no shame in admitting that at all. The rise and fall of a great ring warrior. :(
Because of what happened to Taylor at the hands of Chavez; does that make you dislike Chavez in anyway?

That has to be the saddest tragic story out there for me. That Legendary Nights episode always makes me cry at the end. I have no shame in admitting that at all. The rise and fall of a great ring warrior. :(

ah man that just breaks your heart doesn't it

especially when they show the clip of him when he was a kid before the Chavez fight and he's talking about how he has his whole future in front of him, then they show him today and he can barley talk.

ah man that just breaks your heart doesn't it

especially when they show the clip of him when he was a kid before the Chavez fight and he's talking about how he has his whole future in front of him, then they show him today and he can barley talk.

Yeah that was the bit that did it for me, the music didn't help either. :( Such a promissing career ended so tragically, he is one of the sad storys of boxing and i will never forget it as long as i live. He was a nice guy too who just wanted to follow in the footsteps of his previous tough Philly fighters.

Because of what happened to Taylor at the hands of Chavez; does that make you dislike Chavez in anyway?

No it doesn't to be honest because he was a tremendous fighter just doing his job. He is a ring legend and he will never be forgotten either. If i dislike anyone in this it's the referee BUT i know he was just trying to ensure the safety of the fighter so i respect him for that.

No it doesn't to be honest because he was a tremendous fighter just doing his job. He is a ring legend and he will never be forgotten either. If i dislike anyone in this it's the referee BUT i know he was just trying to ensure the safety of the fighter so i respect him for that.
I've never seen the fight, I've only heard of it.
From what I have heard it seems like the ref should have stopped it way before the time he actually did stop the fight.

Do you know where I could download the full fight?

I really think Taylor's corner is to blame if your gonna blame anyone. They should have seen the punishment Taylor was taking and stopped the fight.

Plus Duva telling Taylor he needed the last round and that the fight was close and then having the bvalls to deny it on the Legenday Nights was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in boxing.

aslo Duva jumping up on the ropes and distracting Taylor while Steele was talking to him was another thing to blame on the corner.

I dont know where you can download it from, but I have the 12th round on my copmuter and will try and upload it in the video section a little later on.

I really think Taylor's corner is to blame if your gonna blame anyone. They should have seen the punishment Taylor was taking and stopped the fight.

Plus Duva telling Taylor he needed the last round and that the fight was close and then having the bvalls to deny it on the Legenday Nights was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in boxing.

aslo Duva jumping up on the ropes and distracting Taylor while Steele was talking to him was another thing to blame on the corner.

I dont know where you can download it from, but I have the 12th round on my copmuter and will try and upload it in the video section a little later on.

Sounds like Duva deserves either a Golota low blow or a Jirov punch to the back of the head.

I really think Taylor's corner is to blame if your gonna blame anyone. They should have seen the punishment Taylor was taking and stopped the fight.

Plus Duva telling Taylor he needed the last round and that the fight was close and then having the bvalls to deny it on the Legenday Nights was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in boxing.

aslo Duva jumping up on the ropes and distracting Taylor while Steele was talking to him was another thing to blame on the corner.

I dont know where you can download it from, but I have the 12th round on my copmuter and will try and upload it in the video section a little later on.

Good point i forgot about that, actually Lou Duva did piss me off badly because he told Taylor to fight and that they needed that round. :mad: Damn that has brought back furious memories now. What fight was he watching? He was mad to think that and to send Taylor in against a big puncher like Chavez when Taylor is tired was dumb plain and simple. Thats right with Duva too, he did distract him while the ref was counting. I guess the referee cannot really be blamed when you look at it on that level.

If Taylor was really that ****ed up from the Chavez fight and is nearly unable to speak and so on, then why was his last fight in the year 2002?
Who the hell sanctioned this man?

If Taylor was really that ****ed up from the Chavez fight and is nearly unable to speak and so on, then why was his last fight in the year 2002?
Who the hell sanctioned this man?

I ask that very same question because the man who did let him fight on needs beating with a big stick in my opinion. :mad:

I ask that very same question because the man who did let him fight on needs beating with a big stick in my opinion. :mad:
I just read some old article from CNN in that year.
Taylor wanted to prove he was still a good fighter and his trainer was encouraging him.
Now if Taylor was really that ****ed up, why would people egg him on and let him fight?
Do people really hate this guy that much that they want to see him end up a vegetable or dead?

If Taylor was really that ****ed up from the Chavez fight and is nearly unable to speak and so on, then why was his last fight in the year 2002?
Who the hell sanctioned this man?

because Boxing has some serious problems that need to be adressed.

they showed clips of him in the ring from his final fight and he couldn't even defend himself, just sad.

I just read some old article from CNN in that year.
Taylor wanted to prove he was still a good fighter and his trainer was encouraging him.
Now if Taylor was really that ****ed up, why would people egg him on and let him fight?
Do people really hate this guy that much that they want to see him end up a vegetable or dead?

because people think they can make money off him and dont care about his health just what they can put in there pockets.

Its the same with Holyfield right now. Holyfield is clearly damaged and olny going to get worse, but as long he makes money people will be willing to string him along by telling him things he wants to hear.

sad but true

I just read some old article from CNN in that year.
Taylor wanted to prove he was still a good fighter and his trainer was encouraging him.
Now if Taylor was really that ****ed up, why would people egg him on and let him fight?
Do people really hate this guy that much that they want to see him end up a vegetable or dead?

Dr C i have no idea at all, the only thing i do know is after that fight he was NEVER the same fighter. If those people were real friends of his then they would have told him not to fight on. Some people find it hard to let go of faded talent and i think it's sick. It's just people after money and not caring about their fighters health. Riddick Bowe is another example of this, i am not happy at all that he is fighting. I just hope nothing bad happens to him, he doesn't deserve it after everything he has been through.

Boxing can sound very scary to me sometimes.

Boxing can sound very scary to me sometimes.

Boxing can get very scary when it comes to this kind of stuff. Each time a fighter gets in the ring they risk there life.

Boxing can sound very scary to me sometimes.

Thats because Boxing IS very scary.

I give credit to any man who wants to step in the ring.I may talk about not liking a fighter, but at the ned of the day I respect ALL fighters.

Thats because Boxing IS very scary.

I give credit to any man who wants to step in the ring.I may talk about not liking a fighter, but at the ned of the day I respect ALL fighters.

Written perfectly, thats my feelings exactly. Even though there are certain fighters i don't like i still admire and respect there bravery for stepping foot in the ring.

What Golota did to Bowe would rank pretty high up there, especially in the second fight. Bowe has brain damage now and quite a few experts out there have forbidden him from fighting again, but you still have people who are in line to make money off of Bowe so they'll put his life in front of there greediness.

Chris Eubank/Michael Watson 2, Watson put in hospital with a blood clot on the brain, slips into a coma but thankfully has now recovered but has slight paralysis, Eubank was never the same fighter after that, he'd have guys in trouble but not go in for the kill, so it had a big effect on both fighters.

What Golota did to Bowe would rank pretty high up there, especially in the second fight. Bowe has brain damage now and quite a few experts out there have forbidden him from fighting again, but you still have people who are in line to make money off of Bowe so they'll put his life in front of there greediness.

So very true and i find it disgusting that he has been allowed to fight. He obviously wants to and the people who stand to make money will eagerly edge him on. I think they are horrible people who try to make money off fighters who shouldn't be in the ring at all. I liked Bowe alot and i still do to be honest, he commited a crime but he isn't a well man and alot of experts will tell people that. The only thing he knew in life was boxing and the tragic thing about that is he simply grew old before his time because of all the wear and tear he had in his career. I don't want to see him get beaten by bums, i wish him all the best.

Chris Eubank/Michael Watson 2, Watson put in hospital with a blood clot on the brain, slips into a coma but thankfully has now recovered but has slight paralysis, Eubank was never the same fighter after that, he'd have guys in trouble but not go in for the kill, so it had a big effect on both fighters.

Oh how could i forget that too, that was tragic on Watson and left an everlasting effect on poor Chris. Your right he was never the same fighter after that, he hesitated alot more and went to outbox rather than kill. Such a shame. Wasn't it the same with Nigel Benn after the McClellan fight?

Davey Moore was absolutely ruined by Duran.
Reid by Trinidad.
DeWitt never the same after Hearns.
Norris and chin were shot after Julian J.

I think Benn still went for it but that fight took so much out of him he even admitted that even though he was talking about Roy Jones, he knew he couldn't win that fight in his own heart, the McClellan fight was so draining physically & mentally, and to add to the Eubank situation, he skidded off the road in his jeep a while after the Watson fight & killed a guy who was standing by the road (he wasn't charged)so that was a terrible time for Eubank.

I think Benn still went for it but that fight took so much out of him he even admitted that even though he was talking about Roy Jones, he knew he couldn't win that fight in his own heart, the McClellan fight was so draining physically & mentally, and to add to the Eubank situation, he skidded off the road in his jeep a while after the Watson fight & killed a guy who was standing by the road (he wasn't charged)so that was a terrible time for Eubank.

:eek: Really??? I never knew that about Eubank, i am going to have to finish reading his autobiography.

Don't know if it was said yet....but Fernando Vargas TKO12by Felix Trinidad. David Reid L12 Felix Trinidad. Tito really hurt alot of guys.

John Michael Johnson KO1 Augie Sanchez.

Tyson/douglas-Mike changed for ever that night.

Bowe/Holyfield 1,2,3-Bowe won the series but lost the overall war-a shell of himself by the third fight.

Prediction:Tinidad/Hopkins-I no its been two years since the great tito entered the ring but I thought he looked like crap against Cherifi. It will be debateable because of the layoff but after oct 2 it will be apparent that he is not even close to the old tito.

Great topic I love the Reid/Trinidad one, I still lie in bed at night thinking what Rieds people were doing taking there 14-0-1 prospect in with a guy who was that experienced, that powerful, that great. My daddy a long time ago when I was a young lad told me he said "Nicky once a fighter takes a bad beatin in the ring he will never be able to take that same beatin again, the body won't allow it." Dad your right well except Gatti

Oh heres a good one Morales/Barrera 1, Morales hasn't skipped a beat since that fight but Barrera although looked great fighting Hamed/SAnchez has never been the same fighter, he won't allow himself to go through that kind of war again.

I've never seen the fight, I've only heard of it.
From what I have heard it seems like the ref should have stopped it way before the time he actually did stop the fight.

Do you know where I could download the full fight?

Ahhh if u ever get to download it, be prepared to see one of the greatest fights ever to come about. Just looking at the two fighters staying warmed up during the announcement gives me goosebumps. Impecable condition both fighters were in, you rarely see that today.

Oh also be ready to see huge nationalistic favor for taylor from the commentators no matter what chavez did. And be ready to be surprised to see how the legendary nights documentary differs from the actual fight.

Ayala's career was cut short by Morales.

I also feel MAB's career was cut short after their first bout he was never the same again.

because people think they can make money off him and dont care about his health just what they can put in there pockets.

Its the same with Holyfield right now. Holyfield is clearly damaged and olny going to get worse, but as long he makes money people will be willing to string him along by telling him things he wants to hear.

sad but true


what a ****in ***get man, doesnt holyfield already have all tha money he needs for another 40 generations
damn if i have 10 million i wouldnt even care bout money no more
wat a bunch of greedy ****s that's wat pisses me off bout boxers today

I Saw The Taylor/chaves Fight Again On Mute, And There Was No Way That Taylor Won Every Round Like Hbo Had It. The Fight Was Super Close, And Duva Knew It. That Is Why He Sent Taylor Out To Win The 12th. Chaves Had Taylor Busted Up Since The 2nd Round, Its Just That Taylor Was In Very Good Shape That U Wouldnt Be Able To Tell. One Shot From Chaves Was Like Ten From Taylor,poor Guy Even If He Wouldve Won He Still Wouldve Been The Same.in The Rematch Chaves Ko Him In The 8th Easily. The Beating That Chaves Gave To Rosario Was Pretty Bad Also.

I Saw The Taylor/chaves Fight Again On Mute, And There Was No Way That Taylor Won Every Round Like Hbo Had It. The Fight Was Super Close, And Duva Knew It. That Is Why He Sent Taylor Out To Win The 12th. Chaves Had Taylor Busted Up Since The 2nd Round, Its Just That Taylor Was In Very Good Shape That U Wouldnt Be Able To Tell. One Shot From Chaves Was Like Ten From Taylor,poor Guy Even If He Wouldve Won He Still Wouldve Been The Same.in The Rematch Chaves Ko Him In The 8th Easily. The Beating That Chaves Gave To Rosario Was Pretty Bad Also.

Hehe yeah its amazing at what actually happened in the fight to what they say in Legendary Nights huh.

Second round Chavez opens big cut of many that would occur during the fight inside taylors mouth. The round ends with Chavez stunning taylor with repeated lefts and right bombs. The commentators just say "the crowd heats up as chavez turns on the pressure"

And like in the 10th round Chavez's arms have lots of blood really gruesome looking.. nomarly u see a little blood but u can hardly tell, well on chavez the blood was litterally streaming down his arms from the cuts Chavez kept opening up taylor with. What do the commentators say? "Up to this point Taylor has answered Chavez with bigger stuff of his own!!!" after a good combo by taylor.

Hbo Is Full Of ****, Merchant Also Had Manny Winning The Fight After Jmm Got Up And Schooled The Pipino The Whole Fight. What I Heard Is That When Manny Beat Mab,hbo Signed A 25 Mill. Contract With Manny.

not short but career ending....Johnson ko's jones jr....

Career-shortening: Tarver ko's Jones; Career-ending, Johnson ko's Jones

I Think We Should Add Tito-mayorga To This List Tyson Is Done Also.

Hbo Is Full Of ****, Merchant Also Had Manny Winning The Fight After Jmm Got Up And Schooled The Pipino The Whole Fight. What I Heard Is That When Manny Beat Mab,hbo Signed A 25 Mill. Contract With Manny.

Yeah HBO is full of **** I agree on that, but no way JMM schooled Manny the whole fight, and if you will ask both biased and unbiased opinion that fight is as close as a fight can be, and no one clearly won the fight, by the way I am Filipino and I also saw Manny winning the fight by at least one point thats my biased & unbiased opinion, how about yours.....

Career-shortening:
Leonard-Hearns, heavily outboxed by the taller Hitman & damaged retina, SGL forced into temporary retirement....

Yeah HBO is full of **** I agree on that, but no way JMM schooled Manny the whole fight, and if you will ask both biased and unbiased opinion that fight is as close as a fight can be, and no one clearly won the fight, by the way I am Filipino and I also saw Manny winning the fight by at least one point thats my biased & unbiased opinion, how about yours.....


I GUESS YOUR RIGHT,CAUSE IM MEXICAN.LETS LEAVE IT TO THE REMATCH.

I don't think "Second to Nunn" was the same after being KTFO by Toney.

Was it Mancini who killed a guy? My grandfather told me that he was never the same after that...afraid to go in for the kill.

Eubank suffered the same way that Mancini did after hurting Watson. Just didn't seem to want to hurt people.

I think "Second to" Nunn came back and was a two time super middlewieght titalist but lost his chance at a light heavy strap when he lost to Graciano Rocchigiani. So, he wasnt completly shot after Toney, but he was no longer P4P material.

I don't think "Second to Nunn" was the same after being KTFO by Toney.

Was it Mancini who killed a guy? My grandfather told me that he was never the same after that...afraid to go in for the kill.

Eubank suffered the same way that Mancini did after hurting Watson. Just didn't seem to want to hurt people.


most recently gabriel ruelas vs jimmy garcia i think it was died after the fight. ****ed ruelas up also,never the same fighter.

I think "Second to" Nunn came back and was a two time super middlewieght titalist but lost his chance at a light heavy strap when he lost to Graciano Rocchigiani. So, he wasnt completly shot after Toney, but he was no longer P4P material.

You're right...he never quite showed that superior boxing ability like he did earlier in his career though. He destroyed Kalambay, Barkley, and for about 9 rounds or so he outboxed Toney like there was no tommorow. I believe he lost to Littles and Liles soon after that too (is that right?). He was a top 3 P4P'er before Toney but didn't really have the same confidence afterwards in my opinion.

I once was looking at Tyson's record on boxrec.com and I read that early in his career he fought a newcomer who was 0-0-0...he knocked that kid out, and the poor guy never fought again...

I once was looking at Tyson's record on boxrec.com and I read that early in his career he fought a newcomer who was 0-0-0...he knocked that kid out, and the poor guy never fought again...


HE MUST KNOCKED THE **** OUT OF HIM. KNOW HIS NAME?

Chavez - meldrick taylor I
damn i was watchin tha legendary nights last night of it again
poor guy
he was sayin how he wanted to be like joe frazier
and how he fought in tha olympics
then it was showing him as a rising star
then he was outboxing chavez then in tha end everyone realize he was takin tha beating then he kept fighting
he was a goood fighter
really fast hands
then i couldnt understand one ****in word he was sayin
damn that ****ed hhis life up
i feel

you are forgetting an obvious one:
Ali - Frazier 3 (both fighters were never the same after the fight and had their career shortened)

you are forgetting an obvious one:
Ali - Frazier 3 (both fighters were never the same after the fight and had their career shortened)

true but they were gettin old man

I GUESS YOUR RIGHT,CAUSE IM MEXICAN.LETS LEAVE IT TO THE REMATCH.

Yeah your right we have to leave it to the rematch, but I hope it will be soon enough, cheers :)

I have a feeling Manny isnt gonna be the same after the Morales fight.Trying to beat three Mexican P4P fighters must take its toll on anyone.

I know it did not warrant paying a trip to the hospital:
but M.A.B.'s beating of Hamed was pretty life altering for Naz. He was never the same fighter after that. Kind of a "wakeup call".

I have a feeling Manny isnt gonna be the same after the Morales fight.Trying to beat three Mexican P4P fighters must take its toll on anyone.

With all due respect to the 3 Mexican current greats, Manny comes back strong after each loss. We see him learning a lot from the loss to Erik and coming back a better prepared (mentally and not just physically) fighter in his next outing.

I know it did not warrant paying a trip to the hospital:
but M.A.B.'s beating of Hamed was pretty life altering for Naz. He was never the same fighter after that. Kind of a "wakeup call".

Very true run! Hamed wasnt hurt body wise but his heart took a career ending beating. His ego was so damaged he had one more fight and that was a gun shy points win over a no body.
It kinda shows you what sort of stuff Hamed was made of inside. He couldn`t come back from a loss!

With all due respect to the 3 Mexican current greats, Manny comes back strong after each loss. We see him learning a lot from the loss to Erik and coming back a better prepared (mentally and not just physically) fighter in his next outing.
My 1000th post.

All i have to say is that if its true what u say then he should be unbeatable after he loses to the 3 m's. Good luck to him he is just in the wrong era or right era? He gave us three exciting fights I dont think he will make that run as succesfull this time.

gatti vs camache

My 1000th post.

All i have to say is that if its true what u say then he should be unbeatable after he loses to the 3 m's. Good luck to him he is just in the wrong era or right era? He gave us three exciting fights I dont think he will make that run as succesfull this time.

First off, congrats on the 1,000th post ! :D
To your question, I think he is in the right era.
Fighting in an era without the 3Ms will not define
you as a great boxer, so I say that he is also lucky
to be fighting in the same era as the 3 Mexicans.

To your next question, Pac is just 26 and as shown in the
fight against Erik he still needs to do some work on his
style and maturity as a boxer, so I think he can still give
us some great fights in the coming years, either against the
3Ms or other boxers ;)

Holmes-Cooney
Douglas-Tyson

Jones vs Tarver II. It's like he changed into a completely different fighter overnight .

Ibeabuchi-Tua:

Ibeabuchi fought one time since,and has been in jail since 1999 for Sexual Assault.Some say Tua hit him so hard,it drove Ike into insanity.

Tua had alot of brutal fights early in his career against Ibeabuchi and Izon.He might have won a world title,had his management slowly built him up against weaker opposition earlier in his career.



Spadafora-Dorin:

Spadafora Only fought twice since their 2003 fight.Now, he's in jail for shooting his fiancee.

Dorin suffered a DRAW in this fight,which many felt should have gone Dorins way.I believe Dorin lost the desire to fight because of this controversal draw.He was pretty much inactive until he got the fight against Gatti.He ended his career with a KO loss against Thunder Gatti.

You guys are correct when you say that a single beating will change the way that a fighter goes into the ring. But you must also remember that it changes these fighters as people as well. One solid beating will just alter them. They are the same person but its like they have just come out of a deep sleep and have yet to regain all of their senses. The distant eyes and distant mind, the slower way of speaking, the lack of mental organization. It really is like somebody that just woke up from a deep sleep, but they will never again fully awaken. Their thoughts and mind half in reality, half still somewhere else..........Rockin' :boxing:

Ali's two wins over Liston badly affected his career. Some fighters lose their aura of invincibilty and are never the same again. Here are a few in THAT category

Hearns KO Cuevas
Honeyghan KO Curry
Curry KO McCrory
Ali Ko Liston!!!
Ali KO Foreman
Sandavol KO Chandler
Holmes KO Cooney
Tyson KO Spinks - never fought again
Tarver KO Jones - look at his next fight, tho he was slipping
Nelson KO Fenech - over the hill overnight
Jones KO Nunn - never THAT good again
Hearns DECISION Hill - not a KO but first loss
Duran KO Moore


i think all of the above are applicable here

Ali's two wins over Liston badly affected his career. Some fighters lose their aura of invincibilty and are never the same again. Here are a few in THAT category

Hearns KO Cuevas
Honeyghan KO Curry
Curry KO McCrory
Ali Ko Liston!!!
Ali KO Foreman
Sandavol KO Chandler
Holmes KO Cooney
Tyson KO Spinks - never fought again
Tarver KO Jones - look at his next fight, tho he was slipping
Nelson KO Fenech - over the hill overnight
Jones KO Nunn - never THAT good again
Hearns DECISION Hill - not a KO but first loss
Duran KO Moore


i think all of the above are applicable here

Jones never fought Micheel Nunn to my knowledge.

Liston went on for a while after he laid down in the second Ali fight eventually to be KO'd in a bid for the NABF title.

Foreman retired more from Ali ducking him for so many years than the defeat in 1974. Besides that I will have to assume the rest of the list is somewhat accurate. :)

trinidad vs. reid
trinidad vs. vargas
trinidad vs. joppy

say what you want about trinidad .. he is one demensional, can't box and got dominated by hopkins and winky ...but the fact remains tito ended careers he is one of the most devastating fighters of this era ... reid ,vargas, and joppy were never the same after the beating tito handed them ..

Sorry McKay, i of course meant Toney. Too busy thinking of Jones - Toney. Liston was considered pretty much invincible and regarded by many as the greatest heavy ever going into the Clay fight. No matter what he did after it can never even scratch the surface of the aura he had before that bout.

That has to be the saddest tragic story out there for me. That Legendary Nights episode always makes me cry at the end. I have no shame in admitting that at all. The rise and fall of a great ring warrior. :(


Hey man, that's the price you have to be willing to pay when you step in the ring. Very unfortunate.

Oops McKay i didn't answer ya last. BTW who is Micheel Nunn? One good typo deserves another hehehe :P

Whether Ali ducked him or not Foreman quit. If he EARNED a return bout Ali would have no choice. I find it hard to believe Ali ducked him, i thought it was the hallucination card that made him retire. I never said what retired him tho, just that he was never the same, and he wasn't!

Oops McKay i didn't answer ya last. BTW who is Micheel Nunn? One good typo deserves another hehehe :P

Whether Ali ducked him or not Foreman quit. If he EARNED a return bout Ali would have no choice. I find it hard to believe Ali ducked him, i thought it was the hallucination card that made him retire. I never said what retired him tho, just that he was never the same, and he wasn't!

OF course Foreman deserved a rematch with Ali. Before Ali fought Frazier the 3rd time. Frazier had recently been destroyed by Foreman and stopped in the 2nd round having been knocked down 8 times.

Instead of fighting Foreman Ali fought....Chuck Wepner,Ron Lyle, Joe Bugner, Joe Frazier, Jean Pierre Coopman.

Frazier is one of my favorite fighters of all time and the 3rd fight was great but Foreman was clearly more deserving of a fight with Ali and title shot at that time. Ali said after the 3rd Frazier fight he was going to fight Foreman next but and then retire but of course never did.

You need to check your dates. Frazier was destroyed by Foreman AFTER his third Ali fight, not before. But yes looking at the stats i agree, after George beat Frazier the second time he should have been next in line. Was Foreman to fight Ali if he beat Young? which he didn't.

JC Chavez versus Meldrick Taylor

Benn-Eubank I. Eubank lost some of his confidence after that, seemed to bring him back down to earth and humble him.

Eubank was interviewed by American NBC TV station before he fought on the Nelson/McDonnell undercard and said "your going to be watching the best fighter in the world tonight". But after the Benn fight, Eubank didn't give a **** about glory and just wanted to make as much money as possible with the least risk to his health and least risk to his '0'.

Shame, because Eubank had a lot going for him and could of been fighter of the decade if he wanted to be.

camacho - rosario

Two fights made two fighters leave boxing not because they were mauled but in disgust over decisions:

1. Hagler left the game after meeting Sugar Ray Leonard, unable to accept that the judges called the fight in favor of Ray.

2. Carlos Zarate left boxing for close to seven years after having been declared loser to Lope Pintor by Split Decision. He had KDd Pintor in the 4th. Zarate was lured back to boxing in 1986. He racked up 12 consecutive wins, then faced Jeff Fenech for the WBC SuperaBantam title in late 1987. He lost, TD 4. He tried again four months later (1988) to wrest the same throne that had been vacated by Fenech, facing Daniel Zaragoza. Again, he failed (TKO 10).

frazier in the thrilla in manilla

the rumble in the jungle had a huge effect on foreman even though the effect was psychological, he no longer believed he was invincible

Chavez-Taylor I: Just an absolute beating. Chavez took everything out of this kid, because the kid gambled his last breath on the biggest fight of his life.

Mormeck-Braithwaite: Braithwaite took tremendous punishment in that fight. He was stopped in his next fight and may never recover his career fully.

Toney-Jirov: Who has Jirov beaten lately. Aside from the physical punishment, his will to win also seems to be fading.

Trinidad-Vargas: Vargas had some success in the middle rounds, showing his obvious potential as a champ. But the terrible punishment he was taking from rounds 9-12 was really damaging. He simply was rushed too fast into a major fight.

Pryor-Arguello I: Aaron Pryor just went out there and broke his man apart. Arguello was really destroyed in this fight, it was over after this fight for him. He never returned to his previous success again.

In Pryor-Arguello and Chavez-Taylor, the damage was worse because they gave every ounce of energy and life they had in those fights. They put all their chips on the table, risked it all, and paid the cost. Its really hard to return to former prominence after beatings like those. The fight was literally beaten out of them.

tyson has never been the same after lewis


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The beating Vargas took from Trinidad. He hasn't been the same.
Camacho Sr. went to war with someone I forgot the fighter's name but Camacho was never the same after the fight.
Your prabobly thinking of Rosario

I just read some old article from CNN in that year.
Taylor wanted to prove he was still a good fighter and his trainer was encouraging him.
Now if Taylor was really that ****ed up, why would people egg him on and let him fight?
Do people really hate this guy that much that they want to see him end up a vegetable or dead?

Taylor took a bad beating in the Chavez fight. But he was still a young man. People felt he could recover. And he did to a point. Alot of people forget that Taylor did win another title after the Chavez fight. When he beat Aaron Davis. Davis was no Hall of Famer, but he was undefeated at the time and had won his title by exposing Mark Breland. It was a good win for Taylor, but it was clear he was not all the way back yet. His first title defense led to more questions. I think he was dropped twice before winning. I forget against who. It was clear his skills had diminished. It was a poor showing, but it got him another super fight he wanted. Terry Norris crushed him in 4 rounds. This was the fight I think should of led to his retirement. But since he had moved up in weight for the Norris fight and still held a welterweight title, he was allowed to continued. Bad mistake. Crisanto Espana a European fighter tourtured him for 11 rounds. Worse than Chavez did, I think. Whoever approved Taylor to fight again, after the Espana fight should be arrested.

Theirs loads off Career Ending Or Shortening Fights in the past off boxing history some ppl ant tlkd about are:

Tyson v Spinks

I was a big fan off Spinks one off the greatest light-heavyweights off all time beat the likes off Marvin Johnson ,Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Larry Holmes with a record off 30-0-21ko going into the tyson fight.

in 1988, Superfight 88, Tyson Vs. Spinks, came. Tyson inflicted the first and only defeat on Spinks' record by knocking Spinks out in the first round. every1 knew Spinks was a true light-heavy and Spinks was under the MYTH tyson was "unbeatable".

After that fight, Spinks retired and never came back to boxing as a boxer.

i wonder what would had happend to Spinks if he went back down to lightheavy after the Gerry gooney fight?

somebody asked why ali foreman didnt fight.....ali was suposed to meet fraizer for a third fight while foreman was suposed to meet young ali won his fight foreman lost his ali fought young instead lol thats not ducking

Trinidad/Reid
Holyfield/Bowe
Trinidad/Joppy
Trinidad/Vargas
CHavez/Taylor
Lockridge/Gomez

didnt gabriel ruelas fight someone, and then a few days later he DIED in the hospital. Dieing usually ends the person who dieds career, and the person u killed. U NEVER recover from killing another man unintentionally.

tyson vs. biggs. after tyson biggs have like 2 or so more loses. and tyson vs.mitch greene,greene left after the tyson fight for years

foreman lost his fight to young, a year earlier he would have finished it in 5 rounds thats the effect ali had on him

because of this loss foreman did not deserve a rematch
that said, if there had been a rematch and foreman had pulled himself together he would have beaten ali