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Tuggers1986 09-07-2008, 06:11 AM I am probably what you would call a Khan hater but.... I think it is unfair to say Khan has got a glass jaw. He was always overrated and i'm glad he got beat. Hopefully it will bring him down a few pegs and make him realise he isn't the superstar that he wants to be.
Anyway, what I am trying to say is this... Obviously his chin isn't iron, we all know this, but, Breidis Prescott was known for being a puncher and a bit of a knockout artist so for Khan to lose by KO is not surprising at all. If he was knocked out by somebody like Paulie Malignaggi then fair enough but I don't think it's fair for everybody to say he has NO chin when we all knew that Prescott could pack a bit of a punch.
What do you think?
tyneside terror 09-07-2008, 06:16 AM All true. And those where big shots, particularly the first one. lethal shots!
ophqui 09-07-2008, 06:41 AM big shots, but khan shouldnt have been hit with them, he knew he was in with a one trick pony who could only punch and he still got caught cleanly and repeatedly. Khan is chinny as **** and thats very worrying, but even more worrying is that he was trained by a guy who claimed to be working on khans defense, and then he gets torn apart by a complete unknown who hit him with virtually every shot he threw
garryd 09-07-2008, 07:53 AM All true. And those where big shots, particularly the first one. lethal shots!It was like Khan was being hit by Kelly Pavlic :rofl:
good_looking01 09-07-2008, 08:42 AM It is still possible for Khan to win a proper world title.
Personally I thought he would get KO'd last night but I was still suprised to see the Speed of the finish. Khan's legs even went completely stiff from a jab.
If Khan is serious he best move to a trainer like Roger Mayweather et al. who works on slipping punches and never getting caught clean. To win a title he has to be wonderfully managed and really steered clear of bangers. that being said He won't ever beat Prescott IMO. The bloke is all wrong for him just like Mayorga for Forrest and Maussa for Harris. (Prescott actually reminded me a lot of Maussa)
I am not a Khan fan but he does have time on his side. The worrying thing is he has been badly hurt by two super featherweights (1 wasn't even a puncher) and then destroyed by a hard hitting but probably one dimensional Lightweight. this shows not only is his chin very suspect but he is getting caught CLEANLY far too often!
Unless this is addressed he can kiss his world title ambitions goodbye.
Tuggers1986 09-07-2008, 08:50 AM It is still possible for Khan to win a proper world title.
Personally I thought he would get KO'd last night but I was still suprised to see the Speed of the finish. Khan's legs even went completely stiff from a jab.
If Khan is serious he best move to a trainer like Roger Mayweather et al. who works on slipping punches and never getting caught clean. To win a title he has to be wonderfully managed and really steered clear of bangers. that being said He won't ever beat Prescott IMO. The bloke is all wrong for him just like Mayorga for Forrest and Maussa for Harris. (Prescott actually reminded me a lot of Maussa)
I am not a Khan fan but he does have time on his side. The worrying thing is he has been badly hurt by two super featherweights (1 wasn't even a puncher) and then destroyed by a hard hitting but probably one dimensional Lightweight. this shows not only is his chin very suspect but he is getting caught CLEANLY far too often!
Unless this is addressed he can kiss his world title ambitions goodbye.
I think you may be right about using Roger Mayweather. Before every fight all Khan keeps saying is "I'm alot stronger now" and "I'm faster than I was in my last fight". We know he's strong and fast so why keep working on that when his defence is so bad.
His gameplan was all wrong last night. He knew two things for definite, Khan has a suspect chin and Prescott can punch, so why the **** did he run in and try to trade?? and after the first knock down he stood up far to early IMO. He should have stayed on a knee until 8 or 9 then got up
good_looking01 09-07-2008, 08:57 AM I think you may be right about using Roger Mayweather. Before every fight all Khan keeps saying is "I'm alot stronger now" and "I'm faster than I was in my last fight". We know he's strong and fast so why keep working on that when his defence is so bad.
His gameplan was all wrong last night. He knew two things for definite, Khan has a suspect chin and Prescott can punch, so why the **** did he run in and try to trade?? and after the first knock down he stood up far to early IMO. He should have stayed on a knee until 8 or 9 then got up
Completely agree with you about getting up too early. He did the same with Willie Limond just to drop back to a knee again and almost get counted out cos he couldn't trust his legs.
My other worry with Jorge Rubio as coach is heis professional experience is almost non existant and he PICKED Prescott as an opponent!! Why when it is obvious to everyone that Prescott is a nightmare match up for Khan?? These seen like real schoolboy errors. (I'm not tryng to blame Rubio for the loss though. Khan fought a stupid fight and paid a heavy price)
Tuggers1986 09-07-2008, 08:59 AM Completely agree with you about getting up too early. He did the same with Willie Limond just to drop back to a knee again and almost get counted out cos he couldn't trust his legs.
My other worry with Jorge Rubio as coach is heis professional experience is almost non existant and he PICKED Prescott as an opponent!! Why when it is obvious to everyone that Prescott is a nightmare match up for Khan?? These seen like real schoolboy errors. (I'm not tryng to blame Rubio for the loss though. Khan fought a stupid fight and paid a heavy price)
The thing is though, if they would have hand-fed Khan another bum we'd be complaining about that aswell.
I think Khan could have beat him, they just went about it the wrong way. He should have felt him out for the first few rounds then just keep getting in and out before he has a chance to get tagged and box his way to a decision.
good_looking01 09-07-2008, 09:11 AM The thing is though, if they would have hand-fed Khan another bum we'd be complaining about that aswell.
I think Khan could have beat him, they just went about it the wrong way. He should have felt him out for the first few rounds then just keep getting in and out before he has a chance to get tagged and box his way to a decision.
True but moving from light punching Superfeather's to a very hard punching fighter who has fought at Light welterweight seems like a bit of a jump. even if Khan won with no drama he still would have got slated as no one had really heard of Prescott. Now Khan will fight Alex Arthur and have to go British then European route to gain the nessessary experience to allow him to progress.
Khan's game plan was all wrong but I don't think he can beat Prescott at the moment. Simply as sooner or later Prescott will land and when he does Khan goes down. . . . In the future I hope he can avenge this defeat but I wouldn't try to do that any time soon.
As regard to bum opponents, I would have liked to see Jon Thaxon or possibly John Muarry. The british public know and respect them and they wouldn't have posed as great a risk. (Well Muarry might).
Southpaw Stinger 09-07-2008, 10:00 AM Like people have said, they were big shots that he was hit with but that says a lot about his defensive skills, or lack of. Not really his fault though. Since turning pro he hasn't fought anyone with a big punch so he hasn't been allowed to develop any defense or style against big punchers. In all his other fights he has been allowed to do whatever he wants.
Yes Prescott is known for being a puncher but he is at the same experience level as Khan (minus the silver medal) so on paper it is not a bad match up. Maybe it was too big a step up too soon but at the rate Warren was taking him he would have been fighting pitty pat punchers his whole career, so we shouldn't complain.
fight_professor 09-07-2008, 10:31 AM We can be sure they will be working on the defense now!
Big Khan fan, yesterday sucked. But the lad is young, offensively able and just needs to iron the technical flaws out AND avoid bangers.
unfortunately, i think khan loses to anyone approaching world class with above average power and accuracy.
he can still win a world title the warren way - i.e. bide his time fighting domestic level opponents until a vacant title opportunity comes along.
Khan-Fan 09-07-2008, 12:58 PM No you're wrong
Tuggers1986 09-07-2008, 01:11 PM No you're wrong
How??
Explain how I am wrong instead of just saying that. Otherwise your reply is completely pointless.
Clegg 09-07-2008, 01:17 PM I think that his chin is very bad, and I say that as a fan who wanted him to win last night. The shots that put him down against Limond and Gomez were nothing special, and although the guy last night was a puncher, the KD's were pretty brutal.
It's possible that he needs to go up in weight. He is big at the weight, so that might be a factor.
tyneside terror 09-07-2008, 01:57 PM It is still possible for Khan to win a proper world title.
Personally I thought he would get KO'd last night but I was still suprised to see the Speed of the finish. Khan's legs even went completely stiff from a jab.
If Khan is serious he best move to a trainer like Roger Mayweather et al. who works on slipping punches and never getting caught clean. To win a title he has to be wonderfully managed and really steered clear of bangers. that being said He won't ever beat Prescott IMO. The bloke is all wrong for him just like Mayorga for Forrest and Maussa for Harris. (Prescott actually reminded me a lot of Maussa)
I am not a Khan fan but he does have time on his side. The worrying thing is he has been badly hurt by two super featherweights (1 wasn't even a puncher) and then destroyed by a hard hitting but probably one dimensional Lightweight. this shows not only is his chin very suspect but he is getting caught CLEANLY far too often!
Unless this is addressed he can kiss his world title ambitions goodbye.
yeah. I think, wjen you go in with Khan you need to up your punch output. Thats why he gets hit often. He does lots of dancing but he gets caught.
I think He should be bringing in Prescott as a sparring partener, not an opponent.
Amir would beat the David Diaz's, The Michael Katsidis's and the Gavin Reese's of this world as even if he has less power he throws so fast and often that a RSF is well possible.
BY THE WAY, ROFL AT FRANK WARREN!!!! HE MUST BE ****ING MORE GUTTED THAN KHAN!!!!
dustymoo 09-07-2008, 02:00 PM unfortunately, i think khan loses to anyone approaching world class with above average power and accuracy.
he can still win a world title the warren way - i.e. bide his time fighting domestic level opponents until a vacant title opportunity comes along.
...or change nationality to the U.S, and get Joe Cortez to ref the fights!
First off, I want to say that I am impressed with the maturity of this thread...Tuggers and Good_Looking01 provided good insight without bashing. Now here's my opinion...
I pretty much agree with what is being said in this thread. The first mistake Khan made was rushing up to Prescott. When the fight started I asked myself "why the hell did Khan just run up to a puncher." Khan's best bet was to fight Prescott similar to the way Cotto fought Margarito. He should have circled the ring and used his jab to keep Prescott off of him and avoid leaving himself open to big shots. Abril (Prescott's last opponent) was a defensive boxer, and Prescott barely beat him. Khan knew Prescott was a puncher yet he ran headlong into him, probably trying to impress the crowd. I don't know if Khan would have lasted with Prescott for a full 12 rounds, I don't think he could have avoided the bombs forever, but if he lost, the loss wouldnt have been as devestating as this.
Second, I don't see why Khan was put in with Prescott in the first place. It was a lose lose fight for Khan. If Khan won, people would just say he beat another unheralded fighter who had a shaddy record. If Khan lost (as he did), he ruined his growing career.
Khan has a long road back. He is supposedly fighting in December, and I figure he'll be fighting against a guy like John Fewkes, a guy who can't punch and he'll be able to get some rounds in. Eventually Khan will have to get in with another fighter who can pack a punch and at that time we'll know if Khan has a chance of being a champion or not. I'm not a huge fan of Khan, but I like the kid and I feel bad for him. No one wants to see anyone flattened like that but that's boxing. Hopefully he gets back on track and hopefully this time he'll come in with a little more control and a little more sense.
JuanDan 09-12-2008, 11:31 AM Amir khan was good amateur, and thats it, no way will he ever win a world title,
come on guys get real, you can teach him all the moves you want but the fact remains he can't take a punch, I can't see him winning a british title, he's alright fighting the smaller man but put him in with a Natural lightweight and he's got a problem, they all have his number now, he's made a few bob he should retire now before he gets really hurt, does the name Audley Harrison ring a bell?
Alexis Vastine 09-12-2008, 12:12 PM Khan does have a glass jaw it is obvious. Willie Limmond is not even a british level fighter, he is a Scottish area level fighter and he florred him. Khan was completely gone after getting hit by a guy who had only one Ko in 25+ fights at super featherweight.
That wasn't the first time either, there was a 'slip' before that and a flask KD to some other unknown guy. The 'slip' was not what the ref ruled it as and was a legit KD. The opponent in that fight seemed apologetic about it and helped Khan up! Hopefully, Khan will get knocked out again very soon.
Khan does have a glass jaw it is obvious. Willie Limmond is not even a british level fighter, he is a Scottish area level fighter and he florred him. Khan was completely gone after getting hit by a guy who had only one Ko in 25+ fights at super featherweight.
That wasn't the first time either, there was a 'slip' before that and a flask KD to some other unknown guy. The 'slip' was not what the ref ruled it as and was a legit KD. The opponent in that fight seemed apologetic about it and helped Khan up! Hopefully, Khan will get knocked out again very soon.
The slip was against Laszlo Komjathi, it was a slip. Komjathi rushed forward and Khan moved back and lost balance. The Flash KD was against Rachid Drilzane, at Light-Welterweight.
"Khan was completely gone after getting hit by a guy who had only one Ko in 25+ fights at super featherweight."
I hope that was not i referance to Limond, as he has more KOs than that. Although, he is not a puncher of any kind. He has more than 1 KO..
there's alot of good posts on here and i dont want to speculate either way on khans future.
but i gotta say after watching the boy from being a classy ameatuer at 14 or so and then going to the olympics in a one man team and winning a medal.
the future is still his to make his own!
fair enough questions will now hang over his so called glass jaw but, does anybody really know how good prescott is?
i mean if prescott moves on to better wins and khan starts plugging the black hole sized gaps in his defense will the situation not look very different?
all im saying is dont be too quick to write off a boy who is basically gonna have to turn into a man now he realises that his dreams of world titles and the such are not as straight forward as he thought.
at the end of the day it's gonna be make or break for khan in his next few fights and i find that more exciting than watching him stroll past opponents that barely give him a tussle.
and after all no matter how many no so called easy opponents frank puts in front of him he is still gonna have to face his demons and fight prescott in a rematch or even go one better to regain some sense of credidilty.
which i personaly think he can do.
all im saying is i know if he wants it enough he will be up thier fighting but unfortuneatley as boxing fans all we gotta do is wait and see if he does!
but which ever way it blows for a 21 year old kid he has made me proud,just for being in there!!
Alexis Vastine 09-14-2008, 10:48 PM The slip was against Laszlo Komjathi, it was a slip. Komjathi rushed forward and Khan moved back and lost balance. The Flash KD was against Rachid Drilzane, at Light-Welterweight.
"Khan was completely gone after getting hit by a guy who had only one Ko in 25+ fights at super featherweight."
I hope that was not i referance to Limond, as he has more KOs than that. Although, he is not a puncher of any kind. He has more than 1 KO..
OK, I cheated. He had 7tko's which are the4 same **** so he had 8ko's in all. Even so, he is still not a heavy hitter and still a domestic level fighter. the flask KD was a 'slip' in the commentary too. It was no difference to the first one because it was at the end of the punch. Doesn;t matter if he slipped it deserved a 10 count go see it. I find it disturbing that you remember the opponents of this insignificant turd.
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