I was watching Ike's fights with Tua, and Byrd last night. I think that Ike would have caught up to Lewis, and KOed him in about 10 rds. What do you guys think????

ike had a ton of potential but he wasnt quite ready for lewis before getting arrested. i say lewis UD but it would have been plausible to see a ike KO of lewis

I have watch the Tua and Byrd fight to and i think he could have beaten Lennox lewis. Ike have a very good chin and condtion and power

Lewis boxes circles around him. Ike really didn't look good in that Byrd fight up until the very end and its debatable weather or not he beat Tua.

There is no way that Ike beats Lewis.

Ike would beat lewis in the first fight with his volume. lewis would get a rematch and destroy him making him look easy.
ibeabuchi could have been a solid champion but his potential was wasted since he's a headcase who should still be in jail but ended up getting deported.

He has a chance to beat Lewis...Lenny's chin wasn't granite and Ike could put his punches together well. He wasn't just some talentless slugger. I don't know if Lenny could KO Ike because Ike showed a solid chin...I'd say Lewis by way of UD.

Lewis by UD, but it's not a given. Ike had his hands full with Byrd, but eventually caught up with him and gave him a pounding. In Lewis, he'd be facing someone much easier to find, but with much heavier hands (i.e. big stiff jab, and overhand right that would give even the stiffest chin pause). I think it would go down a lot like the Lewis-Tua fight, but again, I could be wrong...

Lewis by UD.

Tua is a big puncher, Ike took his shots, therefore, i believe he could take what Lennox had to offer and give him hell in return. Also Lennox is a slow starter ( usually ) and there's a distinct possibility Ike KO's him in the early rounds, but by the later ones he'll catch lennox for sure. Ike was a good boxer puncher, his boxing ability is a little underrrated because Ike was so focused on hurting the other guy that he tends to bomb a lot more, instead of showing his abilities as a boxer -puncher

I think Ike KO's Lewis within 5.
There is no way Lewis can box circles around Ike. Ike is alot more mobile and has faster hands.
I see Ike coming out throwing bombs and Lewis being outmuscled and has no choice but to throw back, then CRACK!!!

Ike By Knockout Period. Ike Has The Power, Lennox Has No Chin. Power+no Chin=lennox Lewis Floored Again By A Single Big Shot, The Same Way Byrd Got Waxed. Maybe Lennox Could Wait Until Ike Was Past His Prime To Challenge Him....it Worked For Holy & Tyson. Maybe He Should Challenge Ali! Hey I Hear Bowe's Fata$$ Is Back In The Ring, Maybe Lennox Could Muster Up The Sack To Fight Him Now.....anyways, Yeah.....ike By Ko!! Nuff Said!

Lewis by comfortable decision. When did Ike EVER show he could handle a good jab. His best fight was against an opponent who stood flat-footed in front of him and threw hooks. Lewis would be circling Ike and popping the jab all night. Since Ike was not that fast or had a very good jab, I don't see what he could do. And Kirk Johnson owned Ike in sparring, so they're proof right there that a boxer-puncher would give Ike all sorts of trouble . .

My god how overratted has Ike become

I was watching Ike's fights with Tua, and Byrd last night. I think that Ike would have caught up to Lewis, and KOed him in about 10 rds

It was a very good fights, but I thing, that Lewis is clever fighter and he would have win.

Lewis boxes circles around him. Ike really didn't look good in that Byrd fight up until the very end and its debatable weather or not he beat Tua.



Jose....

uh...please go & watch Ike-Byrd again.
Ike was controlling that fight....applying steady pressure, without getting frazzled....& landing shots with more frequency as the fight wore on.
Then he BLASTED the guy into tomorrow. Nobody has done this to Byrd since.
Against the PUZZLE Byrd was back then.....you couldn't ask for a better performance.

Don't let your love of Lewis, which leads to FEAR of Ike, lead you into talking out your ass, bro.

Lewis by comfortable decision. When did Ike EVER show he could handle a good jab. His best fight was against an opponent who stood flat-footed in front of him and threw hooks. Lewis would be circling Ike and popping the jab all night. Since Ike was not that fast or had a very good jab, I don't see what he could do. And Kirk Johnson owned Ike in sparring, so they're proof right there that a boxer-puncher would give Ike all sorts of trouble . .


Wrong...

His best fight was aginst Chris Byrd......who very few have been able to handle.
Ike showed how to trap a slickster, & take him out.

& BIG DEAL, if it's even true, about Ike's sparring sessions with Kirk.

I thought you guys have been following boxing long enough to know what happens in sparring means **** ?

I think Ibeabuchi would have had a very good chance against Lewis. His chin was at least as good as McCall´s, his hands faster and with decent power :eek: ! Against Byrd he proved that he wouldn´t allow anybody box to circles around him, and Lewis definitley couldn´t have outmuscled him. This fight had been totally open. A shame it never could happen :( .

how can anyone say that Ibeabuchi would have beaten lewis. Based on his wins over to average fighters??????

how can anyone say that Ibeabuchi would have beaten lewis. Based on his wins over to average fighters??????


Maybe it's the fact that two very average fighters knocked Lewis out ?

Ike may have had the power to beat Lennox but someone like Lennox would not have underestimated a big powerhouse like Ike. Byrd knew he was in with a monster and paid the price by sitting on the ropes. Remember that Lennox ALWAYS was focused when he was aware of the threat in front of him. Look at the rematches against both the guys he lost to. One got KTFO and the other started crying like a big *****.

McCall's breakdown had nothing to do with what Lennox was putting on him....because little was happening.


Wez.....Ike was so much more than a bruiser.
The guy had an excellent foundation. A very good jab, & he followed it with two-fisted combos....which is something rare in these modern heavies.
His chin & stamina were tops, also.

McCall's breakdown had nothing to do with what Lennox was putting on him....because little was happening.


Wez.....Ike was so much more than a bruiser.
The guy had an excellent foundation. A very good jab, & he followed it with two-fisted combos....which is something rare in these modern heavies.
His chin & stamina were tops, also.

I agree. Ike showed a good chin and stamina as we all know against Tua...but he also had very good technical skills. Ike put his punches together well after setting them up with the jab. He was patient and had a very dangerous right hand and uppercut (Byrdman knows better than anyone). This fight would not be some Lennox Lewis jab and uppercut show. It would actually be very competitive the whole way. I think Lenny would win in most cases but if they were to fight each other, say, ten times I think Lewis would only win about 7/10 times.

McCall's breakdown had nothing to do with what Lennox was putting on him....because little was happening.


Wez.....Ike was so much more than a bruiser.
The guy had an excellent foundation. A very good jab, & he followed it with two-fisted combos....which is something rare in these modern heavies.
His chin & stamina were tops, also.

I wasn't privilaged to see alot of Ike, i am purely judging him on his fight against Byrd and a couple of rounds from his fight against Tua. Pretty shallow opinion from me :o

it's tough to say who would've won, however i think the bigger issue is how good of a match it would've been

Yes Ike's legend continues to grow, but I would stake my mortgage that he destroys Lewis and very early at that. Keep in mind folks that Ike was still a baby when he fought Tua and Tua had a lot of fights under his belt. That is one of the greatest heavyweight fights you will ever see. The decision is definately debatable, it could have gone too tua but let me say this..that was by far by far by far the best David Tua we have or will ever see. Ike may have ruined Tua that night, he was never the same, he was never willing to commit like he did that night. Ike took some of the biggest bombs Tua has ever landed and was fine, granted a Lewis right hand is always tough too take no matter hwo you are but Ike's chin would have been just fine. Don't hate the Byrd victory, I was there and I watche dhim destroy Byrd, and as others have already pointed out no one has done that to Byrd since! When Lewis got in trouble against VT in the second round, had that have been Ibeabuchi it would have been over..immediately. I can't see Ike waisting anytime with Lewis therefore this fight would no way have gone past five and most likely not have gone past three. Ike in a complete destruction!

Yes Ike's legend continues to grow, but I would stake my mortgage that he destroys Lewis and very early at that. Keep in mind folks that Ike was still a baby when he fought Tua and Tua had a lot of fights under his belt. That is one of the greatest heavyweight fights you will ever see. The decision is definately debatable, it could have gone too tua but let me say this..that was by far by far by far the best David Tua we have or will ever see. Ike may have ruined Tua that night, he was never the same, he was never willing to commit like he did that night. Ike took some of the biggest bombs Tua has ever landed and was fine, granted a Lewis right hand is always tough too take no matter hwo you are but Ike's chin would have been just fine. Don't hate the Byrd victory, I was there and I watche dhim destroy Byrd, and as others have already pointed out no one has done that to Byrd since! When Lewis got in trouble against VT in the second round, had that have been Ibeabuchi it would have been over..immediately. I can't see Ike waisting anytime with Lewis therefore this fight would no way have gone past five and most likely not have gone past three. Ike in a complete destruction!


scap....

Nice post !

You're right...Ike was still coming along, & had a great trainer in Curtis Cokes.
He was only going to get stronger, & better, over time.

how would lewis have handled ike's power, chin and speed?
how would ike handle fightinng a giant that can box and move?

questions we'll never know the answer to.... i give lewis the edge, because against the top guys, lewis was at his best.... he only lost when he wasnt supposed to... if lewis boxed, jabbed and moved on ike, how would ike react? ike never faced anyone like lewis for us to gauge against...

Jose....

uh...please go & watch Ike-Byrd again.
Ike was controlling that fight....applying steady pressure, without getting frazzled....& landing shots with more frequency as the fight wore on.
Then he BLASTED the guy into tomorrow. Nobody has done this to Byrd since.
Against the PUZZLE Byrd was back then.....you couldn't ask for a better performance.

Don't let your love of Lewis, which leads to FEAR of Ike, lead you into talking out your ass, bro.

and dont let your hate for Lewis lead you into acting like a dumbass....Oh wait too late

and dont let your hate for Lewis lead you into acting like a dumbass....Oh wait too late


Wrong, sissy....I don't hate Lewis.

Why don't you check the "Lewis vs. Frazier" & "Where Does Lewis Rank" threads.
You'll see I respect him, totally.

See....that's why you're a nutlicker.....you take the "hater" route when someone isn't shining on your boy.

I heard ike wants to fight both klichko brother on bak to back days when he gets out ..sounds like rubish but entertaining

Ike would kill Lewis...

I hope he gets out soon.

Plus being in prison Ike knows what it is like to fight a Homo like Lewis.

I think Ike would have had a decent chance against Lewis. Too bad he doesn't get his next parole hearing until Dec. 2007, it would have been interesting to see him against todays HWs.

Would have been a great fight to bad it never took place. I think Ike wouldn't have taken the title from Lewis.

Too bad we will never know................it would have been a daisy.

im glad i got to see as much as ike as i did while he was around
i hope if he does comeback hes not all crazy

They won't let him out. He is too messed up.

I think Ike would KO Lewis. Like alot were saying, Ike just didn't throw 1 punch at a time or just throw haymakers. He was a skilled boxer/brawler who fought behind a solid jab & punched in combos. He also was an underrated body puncher. I've seen some of his early fights & his fights with Byrd & Tua & he hit them to the body excellent. Lewis has never faced an opponent with speeed/power. It was always one or the other. Ike was still on the rise when he was locked up so we'll never know.

When Ike was fighting and LEnnox and Evander both had pieces of the title Bobby Chyz said that Ike could beat Evander and LEnnox on the same night.

Again don't hate the Byrd victory...the Chris Byrd that fought Ike was much tougher than the Byrd we have watched the last few years, he was a lot more elusive than anything we see out of Chris today.

Ike was as skilled as any big heavyweight you will ever see!

IT is a god damn mother****ing shame...****!

I was watching Ike's fights with Tua, and Byrd last night. I think that Ike would have caught up to Lewis, and KOed him in about 10 rds. What do you guys think????

Never heard of these dudes? I thought you said you were off the pipe?

Ike would have destroyed Lewis, and there isn't any shame in looking bad against Byrd. That is why Lewis refused to fight him, not because it would have been too easy or Chris was undeserving.

Ike would have destroyed Lewis, and there isn't any shame in looking bad against Byrd. That is why Lewis refused to fight him, not because it would have been too easy or Chris was undeserving.

I doubt that very much. Ike was good but Lennox was a class above and i know now that if Lennox would have fought him that he would have been in the shape of his life. Lennox always took serious fights seriously and Ike would not have been underestimated. Lennox via UD

Lewis might have got lucky and ko'ed him, but there is no way this fight goes the distance. Lewis never had the stamina to fight at a pace like that for 12 rounds.

Lewis might have got lucky and ko'ed him, but there is no way this fight goes the distance. Lewis never had the stamina to fight at a pace like that for 12 rounds.

Never had the stamina? Lennox was built to go the distance. Why do you think he utilised his jab so much. I hope you aren't basing Lennox's stamina and pace on the Vitali fight because your sadly mistaken if so.

anyone who can punch cna beat lewis... props to lewis though for only letting 2 peopel get at his chin big props for that

I'm pretty tired of the Ike discussion personally. He is a kook who ruined his potential by being a loser outside the ring. Lewis was a class above. The same things were said when Tua was going up against Lenny. "The power would destry Lewis". Well, the power never touched him. Would Ike have a punchers chance? Of course he would, but that can be said in any fight. Ike had tremendous power but I don't think he could have landed it on Lenny. Lewis would have kept him outside and pot shotted him with the right hand

I was watching Ike's fights with Tua, and Byrd last night. I think that Ike would have caught up to Lewis, and KOed him in about 10 rds. What do you guys think????
yep he could of,but unfortunately he is in jail for been a dumass

Ike "messageboard-myth" Ibeabuchi