England defeats hurt less - Carragher
5 hours ago

Jamie Carragher has revealed that an England defeat "never hurt me in the same way as losing with my club."

The Liverpool defender retired from international football in July last year after complaining he was constantly being overlooked as a central defender for the national team.

The 30-year-old missed a penalty in his final game for England as they went out of the 2006 World Cup against Portugal in a shootout and has now revealed: "I would rather miss for England than LFC."

Carragher wrote in 'Carra, My Autobiography', serialised in the Daily Mirror: "Representing your country is the ultimate honour, especially in the World Cup. Not to me.

"Did I care we'd gone out of the tournament? Of course I did. Passionately.

"I've never given less than 100% in any game.

"Despite this, whenever I returned home from disappointing England experiences one unshakeable, overriding thought pushed itself to the forefront of my mind, no matter how much the rest of the nation mourned.

"'At least it wasn't Liverpool,' I'd repeat to myself, over and over.

"The text messages of consolation I received on the coach included one from Kenny Dalglish.

"'I would rather miss for England than LFC,' I wrote back. I confess: defeats wearing an England shirt never hurt me in the same way as losing with my club

I actually agree with him on this, when England lose it doesnt come close to how i feel when Liverpool lose.

I actually agree with him on this, when England lose it doesnt come close to how i feel when Liverpool lose.

you are a fan though he is/was a player and if that is Carra's opinion fair enough but he is retired he should keep it to himself

Maybe he felt he had to comment on it after the whole 'Talksport' incident?
Wont make him to popular with the other Premiership internationals id imagine.

Maybe he felt he had to comment on it after the whole 'Talksport' incident?
Wont make him to popular with the other Premiership internationals id imagine.


if England rapped up and we had no international football [no England team ]the same people who say they dont care about England would be moaning left right and centre about not having a national team and they would soon be clamouring for it to return when they started watching European Championships and World Cups year upon year with no English involvement

it reminds me of my fellow gooners they defend AW for of signing foreign players as apose to young English lads and pretend they dont give **** but when Theo gets a game as sub or even if he warms up on the touch line the crowd start chanting "Theo Theo" and its not the way they chant any other players names trust me they feel an infinity because the kid is English but they pretend like they dont give **** about having non Englishmen in the side

to listen to people you would think its club over country everytime yet England fans outnumber foreign teams in their own country in their home stadiums to watch England but the people you speak to would have you believe they dont give a toss yet the attendence of fans at England games contradicts that notion IMO

Theo can have a complete stinker and he has many times BTW but still he gets the "Theo Theo "treatment when he comes off

What a load of bollocks. Carragher didn't get 'overlooked'. He simply wasn't good enough. He's a prick and always has been. Liverpool fans act as if he's god when really he's nothing but a slightly above average center back.

What a dick!.

If he was getting in the team ahead of Terry and Rio then he wouldn't feel the same.

Bitter!

Overlooked? No, third in the foodchain.

Ironically after he retired, weren't there a series of games where either rio or Terry were absent?

You need Pace in the international game, something Jamie Carragher lacks completely.

Nothing wrong with that.

hahaha... Carra's the Man!!!

what a suprise the Liverpool fans are the only people that agree with Carra

From a personal point of view i agree with him, as i dont care for England's national team half as much as i do Liverpool FC.
I understand him being hurt more when Liverpool lose than when England lose.
The fact i agree with him saying that ,isn't because he's a Liverpool player, id agree if say Rooney or Lampard came out and said the same thing.
Theres players at Liverpool who im sure hurt as much when England lose as much as when Liverpool do. ie: Gerrard.
I understand that and see no harm in it, just that i tend to agree with Carragher on the issue.

From a personal point of view i agree with him, as i dont care for England's national team half as much as i do Liverpool FC.
I understand him being hurt more when Liverpool lose than when England lose.
The fact i agree with him saying that ,isn't because he's a Liverpool player, id agree if say Rooney or Lampard came out and said the same thing.
Theres players at Liverpool who im sure hurt as much when England lose as much as when Liverpool do. ie: Gerrard.
I understand that and see no harm in it, just that i tend to agree with Carragher on the issue.


should he have played for England in the first place if subconsciously he felt this way

do you agree with the annoyance of England fans towards Carr though for what he said

fans that are more passionate about England than yourself for instance im not knocking you BTW just asking the question

Yeah mate, i can see why bigger fans of England than myself are annoyed. He has been lucky enough to be selected for the squad (something im sure every fan dreamed/dream of) , so im sure they can see him as acting some-what spoilt, that he with-drawn him-self from selection as he was't making the first team.

what a suprise the Liverpool fans are the only people that agree with Carra

The same fans that used to call him **** and abuse him under houllier now the sing "all we want is ateam of carraghers" he even called Liverpool fans fickle and you heard about the story today that he got his scouse lids to beat up Lucas Neill.

The same fans that used to call him **** and abuse him under houllier now the sing "all we want is ateam of carraghers" he even called Liverpool fans fickle and you heard about the story today that he got his scouse lids to beat up Lucas Neill.

the guy is just sensitive plain and simple thats why he jacked England in and why he is so bitter towards them

he cant take criticism that is why he let that clown Adrian Durham wind him up we all know Durham is a tool that says what he says as a wind up

the guy is just sensitive plain and simple thats why he jacked England in and why he is so bitter towards them

he cant take criticism that is why he let that clown Adrian Durham wind him up we all know Durham is a tool that says what he says as a wind up

no wonder England have been playing ****e for so long with attitudes like

Carragher and Gary Neville

Rooney who sucks him thumb and has a paddy when the game is'nt going his way

That's his prerogative. It's probably also a fair reflection of the state of our national team of late.

The majority of players who don the england shirt don't seem to put in half the effort as they do for their clubs.

England defeats hurt less than West Ham defeats for me

I ****ing love him for this! Cunt? More like a ****ing hero. No wonder we all dream of a team of Carraghers. well saif Jamie, **** england! I know Steven feels the same way which is why they bith score the pens for us. Can you blame them anyway? they both should be playing for Ireland. Wish they did and kept Roy happy. Imagine them two, the two Keano's plus the moghty finnan all in one team. RESULT? World Cup glory!!!

you are suggesting Ireland would win the world cup? :o

Let's be honest, they had a better chance than England in 2002 and had the hard route and did OK without Keane. With Gerrard as skipper anything is possible. Someone should tell Fab!

haha okay. can you answer my question for you in the other thread please ;)

im glad Carra has retired he was not good enough to get in the first 11 anyway

he has been done by Tuncay and Henry has done him plenty of times Kaka was ripping him a new ******* in the CL final untill they changed formation and put Hamman on

And he's still better than John Terry, the biggest blag player in the world.

BTW, you forgot to say for the hour following that change, Carra had him and £30mill flop Sheva both in his back pocket!

And he's still better than John Terry, the biggest blag player in the world.

BTW, you forgot to say for the hour following that change, Carra had him and £30mill flop Sheva both in his back pocket!

It's not surprising but you are just like 99% of all Liverpool fans I have met in my life. You need a big ****in slap to wake you up so you can see what's really going on. Carragher is so overrated it's untrue. He rarely played for England because he wasn't good enough to get in the squad, it's as simple as that. If Liverpool fans accepted they wern't as good as United or Chelsea but said they hoped they do well then I wouldn't have a problem with them at all, but it's the fact that most fans act as if Liverpool are one of the top 10 club teams in the world and every season say they will win the league pisses me off. It's not until November comes and they're doing **** that you lot finally start to ****in' shut up.

For once just realise that your team is not the best team in the league and would be lucky to finish on top. There's nothing wrong with hoping, but when you act as if Carragher is an amazing player and it's Liverpools year to win the league even though they struggle against the likes of Standard Liege, the only person you're lying to is yourself, because, every other supporter of every other team sees it for the bull**** that it is.

FACE FACTS.

And he's still better than John Terry, the biggest blag player in the world.

BTW, you forgot to say for the hour following that change, Carra had him and £30mill flop Sheva both in his back pocket!


Carra did not make the first 11 under a succession of managers for a reason Terry & Ferd are better they dont get rapped by Tuncay :lol1:

he had him in his pocket he needed 5 men in midfield and 2 dmf to protect his candy ass from getting rapped again :lol1:

I never said Carra was the scouse version of Franco Baresi. TBh I do like him but I don't rate him that much. he should be on our bench because Skrtel and Agger are sick and Hyyppia is still a bit better even now! Having said that he is still better than **** cunt Terry. That ****er is useless apart from in the air. If not Carra then King, Woodgate and at the time of inclusion of **** cunt Terry even Campbell should have been chosen ahead of him. JT is ****.

I never said Carra was the scouse version of Franco Baresi. TBh I do like him but I don't rate him that much. he should be on our bench because Skrtel and Agger are sick and Hyyppia is still a bit better even now! Having said that he is still better than **** cunt Terry. That ****er is useless apart from in the air. If not Carra then King, Woodgate and at the time of inclusion of **** cunt Terry even Campbell should have been chosen ahead of him. JT is ****.

I dont like either of them but I would have Terry in my team over Carragher any day of the week.

And saying Skrtel and Agger are sick???? Don't take the piss. They are just above average at best.

I never said Carra was the scouse version of Franco Baresi. TBh I do like him but I don't rate him that much. he should be on our bench because Skrtel and Agger are sick and Hyyppia is still a bit better even now! Having said that he is still better than **** cunt Terry. That ****er is useless apart from in the air. If not Carra then King, Woodgate and at the time of inclusion of **** cunt Terry even Campbell should have been chosen ahead of him. JT is ****.

Terry does not get embarrassed like Carra ,

Kaka,Henry,Tuncay :lol1:

Campbell has been past it since 2005 he is not the same player he was Campbell in his prime is better than all of them put together though

Tbh Terry has lost it tho. A few seasons back he was brilliant, now he struts around like Barry from Soccer AM.

Terry does not get embarrassed like Carra ,

Kaka,Henry,Tuncay :lol1:

Campbell has been past it since 2005 he is not the same player he was Campbell in his prime is better than all of them put together though

I agree. Campbell just before his move across London was amazing.

Eben though he is past it, he is still better than terry. Carra is over the hill now but was miles better than Terry in 06. terry is absolute bollocks. Of course he embarrases, he just gets away with it like he did in Moscow. Why do you think the sports minister singled him out for criticism of wages, because he is ****!!!! If he mentioned Stevie G or Michael Owen he would have looked silly. Even if he mentioned Fat Lard, it would be slightly silly. But JT is **** and the REST of the world know it.

Tbh Terry has lost it tho. A few seasons back he was brilliant, now he struts around like Barry from Soccer AM.

Terry now believes he is better than he actually is. Before he got all the fame and media attention he was exactly what you would look for in a defender. Now he's just a ****y bastard who is very good at clearing crosses. I bet if he wouldn't have strutted up the ball whilst straightening his captains arm band in the Champions League final, and just kept his head down and thought about scoring then he would have scored. He was already thinking about the following days back page of the paper with his name all over it before he'd kicked the ball. You could see it in his eyes, and because of that i'm glad the cunt missed.

Eben though he is past it, he is still better than terry. Carra is over the hill now but was miles better than Terry in 06. terry is absolute bollocks. Of course he embarrases, he just gets away with it like he did in Moscow. Why do you think the sports minister singled him out for criticism of wages, because he is ****!!!! If he mentioned Stevie G or Michael Owen he would have looked silly. Even if he mentioned Fat Lard, it would be slightly silly. But JT is **** and the REST of the world know it.

Terry was at his best in 06. NO WAY was Carragher better than him then.

Eben though he is past it, he is still better than terry. Carra is over the hill now but was miles better than Terry in 06. terry is absolute bollocks. Of course he embarrases, he just gets away with it like he did in Moscow. Why do you think the sports minister singled him out for criticism of wages, because he is ****!!!!


he is better than Terry take off your Pool glasses for a second and watch Campbell at fault for Sweden's goal in 2006 and then watch the Croatia game at Wembley Campbell was all over the place at the back

you cant hold a convo without letting Pool biased cloud your judgement so

Terry now believes he is better than he actually is. Before he got all the fame and media attention he was exactly what you would look for in a defender. Now he's just a ****y bastard who is very good at clearing crosses. I bet if he wouldn't have strutted up the ball whilst straightening his captains arm band in the Champions League final, and just kept his head down and thought about scoring then he would have scored. He was already thinking about the following days back page of the paper with his name all over it before he'd kicked the ball. You could see it in his eyes, and because of that i'm glad the cunt missed.

Completely agree with that post!

I also hate how he seems to think he's some guardian of laddishness and ****neyness. If he conentrated on his game rather than his image he might get back to the level he was at.

Pool bias? Campbell played for the *******s!!! WTF. I said NF Woodgate and King as well. King is a much much better player than JT. you just believe whatever you read ibnpapers. JT messes up too, all the time. he is just too **** and slow to be there in first place to take the blame. he is a blag player and hides behind Rio. At Chelsea he hides behind the netire team.

terrible, I aint saying Carra is good. Never said that. Just said I like what he says in the article at start of thread coz he shows he is a true red. For me both Carra and JT are blag players who peaked in 05 and did **** all for the rest of their lives before that and since that period.

Skrtel will be better than Vidic this year, just watch.

he is better than Terry take off your Pool glasses for a second and watch Campbell at fault for Sweden's goal in 2006 and then watch the Croatia game at Wembley Campbell was all over the place at the back

you cant hold a convo without letting Pool biased cloud your judgement so

It's true. He's so biased towards Liverpool. It ****in drives me mad because most Liverpool fans are like that. Delusional cunts!!

Once again please explain to me how backing Campbell at the time he was replaced by Terry, proves I am biased towards LFC? I also said King and Woodgate are better in that position.

I'll make it clear for you one more time; I like Carra's attitude but don't rate him or Terry! they're both the same and they're both crap, but JT is crapper. They both do the mighty hoof!! They can't be called footballers.

Lets play a game.

Which poster am I....

*Carragher is one of the best defenders of the past 10 years. Tuncay and Henry only skinned him because he let them.
*Skrtel and Agger are sick!!
*John Terry is ****
*Gerrard is the best midfielder in the world.
*Torres will score 50+ goals this season, and thats just in the Champions League.
*John Terry is a **** blag defender
*Liverpool will win the league
*Rafa Benitez is the best manager in England
*Terry is overrated, Carragher pisses all over him
*Liverpool will beat United on Saturday without Gerrard or Torres, they're just that good.

Lets play a game.

Which poster am I....

*Carragher is one of the best defenders of the past 10 years. Tuncay and Henry only skinned him because he let them.
*Skrtel and Agger are sick!!
*John Terry is ****
*Gerrard is the best midfielder in the world.
*Torres will score 50+ goals this season, and thats just in the Champions League.
*John Terry is a **** blag defender
*Liverpool will win the league
*Rafa Benitez is the best manager in England
*Terry is overrated, Carragher pisses all over him
*Liverpool will beat United on Saturday without Gerrard or Torres, they're just that good.

you are that biased tool Alexis Vastine aka Fenando Torres aka Mascherano ,Rafa Benitez etc

I like that game. but it should be Torres will score 50 in all comps, LFc can manage a 1-0 win if they play a tight game of Cetenaccio football, and Carra is useless but still just a tiny bit better than absolutely ****e Terry!!!

Once again please explain to me how backing Campbell proves I am biased towards LFC?

The Campbell quote has nothing to do with it. it's everything else you spew that is bull****. Like saying Ireland would be a good team if Carragher and Gerrard played for them. WTF??? Gerrard, Keane, Finnan & Carragher. They would just be a ****ter version of Liverpool.

you are that biased tool Alexis Vastine aka Fenando Torres aka Mascherano ,Rafa Benitez etc

YOU WIN :banana:

have a gift

The Campbell quote has nothing to do with it. it's everything else you spew that is bull****. Like saying Ireland would be a good team if Carragher and Gerrard played for them. WTF??? Gerrard, Keane, Finnan & Carragher. They would just be a ****ter version of Liverpool.

he is to stupid to realise he is biased leave him alone

the guy was making 5 Liverpool threads a day when he was using his other accounts and he asks how am i biased :lol1:

The Campbell quote has nothing to do with it. it's everything else you spew that is bull****. Like saying Ireland would be a good team if Carragher and Gerrard played for them. WTF??? Gerrard, Keane, Finnan & Carragher. They would just be a ****ter version of Liverpool.
I did that just to take piss out of England! Well they did get to 2nd round without Keane! Are you telling me Roy was not a top player? I said if he stayed in and Gerrard was the engine as with LFC, they would have a better chance than England!!! LOL, it is probably true.

Even without the pool players, Roy Keane would have done some serious damage if the Irish FA got its act together and not put Prem stars in economy plane seats and cheap hotels. That's why he chipped. How the **** is that pool bias? WTF. Keane is a scum player. It's taking piss out of England saying a team that rarely qualifies has a better chance than them.

he is to stupid to realise he is biased leave him alone

the guy was making 5 Liverpool threads a day when he was using his other accounts and he asks how am i biased :lol1:

how does making threads about themighty Reds make you biased? I was just stating the obvious. Keane & Torres will win us the prem! Just watch....

I like that game. but it should be Torres will score 50 in all comps, LFc can manage a 1-0 win if they play a tight game of Cetenaccio football, and Carra is useless but still just a tiny bit better than absolutely ****e Terry!!!

If you really believe that then you really are a dick!!!

Torres will not get 50 goals. Maybe 30-40.

Liverpool will not beat United on Sat. Who have you got to score for you??? Kuyt to knock a scrappy corner in or Babel to have a lucky shot. That's it.

And Terry isn't as good as he used to be but Carragher is still a lot worse.

how does making threads about themighty Reds make you biased? I was just stating the obvious. Keane & Torres will win us the prem! Just watch....

so what you saying those kind of statements dont make you biased just an idiot :lol1:

Alan Shearer scored 37 in one season

50 is not possible


Torres maybe a better player but he is not a better goal scorer

I did that just to take piss out of England! Well they did get to 2nd round without Keane! Are you telling me Roy was not a top player? I said if he stayed in and Gerrard was the engine as with LFC, they would have a better chance than England!!! LOL, it is probably true.

Even without the pool players, Roy Keane would have done some serious damage if the Irish FA got its act together and not put Prem stars in economy plane seats and cheap hotels. That's why he chipped. How the **** is that pool bias? WTF. Keane is a scum player. It's taking piss out of England saying a team that rarely qualifies has a better chance than them.

Gerrard would never be the 'engine' as you say if Keane was in the team. Keane owns any team he is in. He is the boss and the other players know it, whether he is captain or not.

If you really believe that then you really are a dick!!!

Torres will not get 50 goals. Maybe 30-40.

Liverpool will not beat United on Sat. Who have you got to score for you??? Kuyt to knock a scrappy corner in or Babel to have a lucky shot. That's it.

And Terry isn't as good as he used to be but Carragher is still a lot worse.
I said 50 between them. Torres will get around 35 and Keane will get about 15. Torres can get 40 in all comps and can beat horsefaces stats once again. I know Terribel is jealous, but when the partnership starts to click, just watch mate you'll see!!

You believe whatever you read in papers, Terry is worse than Carra. They lick his balls just because he wears a new plastic halloween mask and you get all wet. Carra is crap but is a hometown hero and gets in for that reason. Terry is no different, he's just a ****ney twat that Fleet St can empathise with!

Gerrard would never be the 'engine' as you say if Keane was in the team. Keane owns any team he is in. He is the boss and the other players know it, whether he is captain or not.
Gerrard will still be the engine going forward!
keane was better than any ****ty contemporary english holding midfielder. That's why England are so ****e and can't keep possesion and it is why they will never win anything. They need a world class or half decent anchor man which they have not had since Paul Ince. I was taking mick before but seriously, would it surprise you if Ireland beat England in a World Cup game? On ****ing pens too, LOL.

Gerrard will still be the engine going forward!
keane was better than any ****ty contemporary english holding midfielder. That's why England are so ****e and can't keep possesion and it is why they will never win anything. They need a world class or half decent anchor man which they have not had since Paul Ince. I was taking mick before but seriously, would it surprise you if Ireland beat England in a World Cup game? On ****ing pens too, LOL.


what are you talking about Roy Keane and Ireland for ???

Gerrard is the reason England cant keep the ball he goes for 60 yard glory balls over the top and gives the ball away constantly like ive said a thousand times there is a reason Rafa Benitez plays him on the left and when he does play him down the centre its nearly always in a 5 man midfield to protect his ass

What's that smell? Oh it's bull****! you're telling someone that has watched every LFC game in the past two decades that Rafa plays him down the left alot, when it use to be the right.WTF??? Babel, Benayoun, Aurellio and Co have taken that job of Kewell and Riise along time ago. Also, playing on the flanks or in the hole proves how good he is because he can do all the jobs well.

Last season, her played most of his games down the middle, either in central midfield or in the hole. He loses the ball because he plays attacking football. Alot of people who attack alot lose the ball alot. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Now post a reply about how Finnan use to be a an ace left winger, lol.

What's that smell? Oh it's bull****! you're telling someone that has watched every LFC game in the past two decades that Rafa plays him down the left alot, when it use to be the right.WTF??? Babel, Benayoun, Aurellio and Co have taken that job of Kewell and Riise along time ago. Also, playing on the flanks or in the hole proves how good he is because he can do all the jobs well.

Last season, her played most of his games down the middle, either in central midfield or in the hole. He loses the ball because he plays attacking football. Alot of people who attack alot lose the ball alot. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Now post a reply about how Finnan use to be a an ace left winger, lol.

he losses the ball cause he cant pass and thats why he hardly ever plays a 4-4-2 in the centre

LOL, Steven Gerrard can't pass. That's almost as good as Walcott isn;t ready for England. You got nowt to say about that now have you?

Listen mate some of them players you adore can't run with a ball. I don't rate attacking players who have no skill on ball and can't beat their man like the might erratic Stevie G (on his day). That is why Lampard is ****e. On his best days he still can;t do it. No english player is consistent, but Gerrard is still by far the best of them. And he's got an Oirish name!!!

LOL, Steven Gerrard can't pass. That's almost as good as Walcott isn;t ready for England. You got nowt to say about that now have you?

Listen mate some of them players you adore can't run with a ball. I don't rate attacking players who have no skill on ball and can't beat their man like the might erratic Stevie G (on his day). That is why Lampard is ****e. On his best days he still can;t do it. No english player is consistent, but Gerrard is still by far the best of them. And he's got an Oirish name!!!


Walcott may not be ready for England one performance does not make a player ive been watching Theo since he has been at Arsenal at he has never shown any indication he was on the verge of doing that and there is no suggestion he will kick on from here and show the constistency he has been lacking since he joined Arsenal


Gerrard cant pass the ball plain and simple he is a long ball merchant

he hasn;t even had a chance at the *******s! i think his passport has a maroon cover which is a problem for the old man who has the expression of forcing out a log on his face.

You talk ****, most of England are long ball merchants. So is Steven Gangster but he can do other things too like play in the box, ping from outside the box, beat defenders, and he is pretty good in the air too. ON HIS DAY he is awesome. i'm no fan of Gerrard and usually i am saying he goes missing all too often but you are comparing him to even ****ter england players! LOL.