If these 2 would've met at 140 lbs. who would've won & why?

If Ike ever fought at 140, it was long before he was anything special.

At 147.....Ike would have busted Tszyu up.

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So you think Tszyu could have beaten Ike at 140?

yeah.....& I think Corrales would ice Tszyu at 135.

Ike was nothing at 140....It's gotta happen at 147.

yeah.....& I think Corrales would ice Tszyu at 135.

Ike was nothing at 140....It's gotta happen at 147.

Ike was scary at Welter. High work-rate, stiff jab, & solid left hook. I thought Ike beat De La Hoya in their fight.

I agree that Ike, for a time, was fierce at 147. But, he was nothing at 140.

Ike was scary at Welter. High work-rate, stiff jab, & solid left hook. I thought Ike beat De La Hoya in their fight.

Oscar has been in a lot of close decisions and won some he lost and lost some he won, but the Quartey fight is not in either of these categories. The fight was on the table in the 12 and he absolutely beat the **** out of Ike, imagine the situation was reversed, Quartey knocks Oscar down twice and in the final round scores the biggest round of the fight for either guy. People would never let Oscar forget that, Knicksman Quartey didn't win that fight, he fought great and actually had Oscar seriously hurt in the sixth, but he was completely beaten down in the 12th and when that happpens in a fight of that magnitude there is no way in hell you can go with Quartey.

Tszyu is the better fighter p4p all time, but I think Ike was just too big for him.

Ike TKO 9

the last round made the fight for DLH...had he not knocked down Ike I would have given the fight to Quartey.

As for Quartey and Tszyu...Ike would beat Tszyu rather easily at 147. Ike could have been a much better fighter if he had trained a bit harder, liked boxing more, and fought more often. His layoffs bit him in the ass IMO.

Oscar has been in a lot of close decisions and won some he lost and lost some he won, but the Quartey fight is not in either of these categories. The fight was on the table in the 12 and he absolutely beat the **** out of Ike, imagine the situation was reversed, Quartey knocks Oscar down twice and in the final round scores the biggest round of the fight for either guy. People would never let Oscar forget that, Knicksman Quartey didn't win that fight, he fought great and actually had Oscar seriously hurt in the sixth, but he was completely beaten down in the 12th and when that happpens in a fight of that magnitude there is no way in hell you can go with Quartey.

You make some good points. The fight could've went either way. I had Quartey winning by 1 round. The one thing I didn't like about the scoring was I think a judge had 116-112 for De La Hoya. What fight was he watching???

I didn't even know Ike fought at 140...

he fought at 140 as an amateur , we trained in the same gym , i m sure as a pro he campained at 147.

tzyu beat him IMO . tzyu isnt that small , he enters the ring at 147 sometimes more , tzyu would have enjoyed the defensive holes of quartey , i see tzyu by ud or late TKO.

he fought at 140 as an amateur , we trained in the same gym , i m sure as a pro he campained at 147.

tzyu beat him IMO . tzyu isnt that small , he enters the ring at 147 sometimes more , tzyu would have enjoyed the defensive holes of quartey , i see tzyu by ud or late TKO.
yea i agree, tzyu is like a surgeon with his hands, i dont think ike is agressive enough

kostya by tko rnds 7-9

Ike fought early in his career at 140 and was a monster, he was a monster at 147. Ike was the first guy that made Oscar scared enough to stipulate a rematch clause in the contract for their fight. Oscar to this day says that other then Hopkins, Ike was the only other guy to hurt him.

Ike destroyed Phillips in 3 rounds in 1996, Phillips threw Tszyu a beating in 1997 for Kostya's only loss. If they met then, Ike would have won hands down. In terms of meeting now, Ike will be a middleweight so no chance of that happening.

rick , styles make fights. phillips got koed by ike , but the 3 rounds were a WAR , and phillips dominated ike sometimes , even stunned him.
ike enjoys a battle , but tzyu is smart enough to use some defense .
since the phillips fight , he his more defensive , and remember he was a defensive wizard in the amateurs .

i really like kostya in that fight , plus i saw ike taste canvas in the gym against so so opposition .

Kostya's fight with Mitchell is last for Kostya?!

I think Ike beat De La Hoya, there is no doubt in my mind that if Ike and Tszyu met then, Ike would have won. Tszyu has tasted the canvas against so-so competition himself. I think Tszyu was very green when he fought Phillips, he changed his gameplan once he lost that fight.

I think Ike would have won as well. Tszyu's defense is a little open.

Ike got dropped and hurt by Lopez but the shots he went down from would have probably dropped everyone plus Lopez was huge.

I think Ike beat De La Hoya, there is no doubt in my mind that if Ike and Tszyu met then, Ike would have won. Tszyu has tasted the canvas against so-so competition himself. I think Tszyu was very green when he fought Phillips, he changed his gameplan once he lost that fight.


the Ike who fought Oscar was not as good as the Ike who beat Espana & Phillips.
Not as hungry, not as confident, & basically one-handed.

the Ike who fought Oscar was not as good as the Ike who beat Espana & Phillips.
Not as hungry, not as confident, & basically one-handed.

I think it was due to his inactivity...plus he was starting to lose interest. It's funny because at times Quartey would get the fire in his eyes and look invincible for a little while.

I think it was due to his inactivity...plus he was starting to lose interest. It's funny because at times Quartey would get the fire in his eyes and look invincible for a little while.

His inactivity was due to a loss of hunger.

I have heard that part of his layoff was due to a bad bout (is there a good one?) with malaria.
Probably just an excuse.....

His inactivity was due to a loss of hunger.

I have heard that part of his layoff was due to a bad bout (is there a good one?) with malaria.
Probably just an excuse.....

Yeah...I mean he fought like what, 4 times in the last 3 or 4 years leading up to his retirement? He basically shifted his attention to his family and affairs in Ghana. I've never heard the malaria angle. If it's true that's pretty sad however.

the Ike who fought Oscar was not as good as the Ike who beat Espana & Phillips.
Not as hungry, not as confident, & basically one-handed.

What does that say about De La Hoya?

Ike was scary at Welter. High work-rate, stiff jab, & solid left hook. I thought Ike beat De La Hoya in their fight.
I agree, Ike takes Kostya to school and KOs him in the middle rounds. Ike beat DLH hands down IMHO. That last round was not the deciding factor; fights are scored to where one round can't influence the other rounds meaning if you slightly win a round it counts just as much as winning it flat out (10-9, for example, either way) and then the next round is completely independent from all the prior rounds. Ike had won at least 8 rounds in that fight.


Oscar has been in a lot of close decisions and won some he lost and lost some he won, but the Quartey fight is not in either of these categories. The fight was on the table in the 12 and he absolutely beat the **** out of Ike, imagine the situation was reversed, Quartey knocks Oscar down twice and in the final round scores the biggest round of the fight for either guy. People would never let Oscar forget that, Knicksman Quartey didn't win that fight, he fought great and actually had Oscar seriously hurt in the sixth, but he was completely beaten down in the 12th and when that happpens in a fight of that magnitude there is no way in hell you can go with Quartey.
Refer to what I said previously. I gave Oscar a 10-8 round in the last round and still had it scored for Ike.

I agree!!! Ike beat Dela Hoya & i think he would've lowered the boom on "The Thunder From Down Under". Kosta has a tendency to freeze up when he gets hit hard. Seen it in his fights with Leija,Judah,Mitchell, & Philips. I saw the fight woth Philips & Ike & Ike destroyed him.

Quartey hurts Kostya....bad. The rat-tailed Russian pops his head up and holds it there when he gets hit square. Quartey would stun with a jab and lower the boom with the right hand.

Is this Ike vs. Kostya in their prime or right now at 140? If it happens today Kostya would win by UD or late TKO. Ike has been inactive too long. But Ike in his prime would have given Kostya all he could handle. He had enough power to hurt Kostya and would have made this fight a total war.