I used to work at CocaCola and I used to talk current boxing with a lot of the warehouse guys. One guy in particular would always rave about Tommy Morrison and how great he was in his heyday. I looked him up on boxrec.com and seems like he's fought some fair talent. What do you guys have to say?

he was a decent fighter indeed, it was really the Mercer match that set him back.

he had solid power and speed

He would give any good/elite fighter a tough fight in his hey day.

he was a decent fighter indeed, it was really the Mercer match that set him back.

he had solid power and speed

He would give any good/elite fighter a tough fight in his hey day.
i've seem some clips of him on youtube, there are some pretty impressive ko wins from him. i read elsewhere that he had a notoriously known glass jaw, any truth? He's only got 3 losses but i think they are all from ko/tko.

i've seem some clips of him on youtube, there are some pretty impressive ko wins from him. i read elsewhere that he had a notoriously known glass jaw, any truth? He's only got 3 losses but i think they are all from ko/tko.

I thank all but the Benentt KO loss was due to not the best chine combined with not the best stamina He did go the distance with Foreman

Morrison was probably his most impressive against Mercer in the early rounds, then he ran out of gas. His best win was against Foreman, when he fought a very disciplined fight.
He had some amazing comeback wins because of his heart, as well as some embarrassing losses because of his chin.

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Early rounds of Morrison vs Mercer

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The end of it...

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Morrison knocks down Razor Ruddock with a huge left hook

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Morrison loses to Michael Bentt...

I think he was a very good but not great fighter for his era. I see him beating other white hopes like Coetzee & Knoetze, Chuvalo and Bugner and Tex Cobb. Him and Cooney would be "whoever lands first."

I would have him over guys like Lamon Brewster, and Jameel McCline because of his fast hands and work rate. Because of his chin / stamina, every fight was a roll of the dice..

Whatever happened with his "comeback"?

He was a good fighter, maybe on the same standard as Bruno. His chin was very suspect, the only way he went the distance with foreman was fighter a very carefull fight.

He had a fight febuary this year and won by KO in the 3rd.

He was a good fighter with very good power, especially in his left hook. He wasn't the most technically skilled fighter but his skills were good enough, his one big weakness was his chin, he couldn't take a very good shot.

He was a good fighter with very good power, especially in his left hook. He wasn't the most technically skilled fighter but his skills were good enough, his one big weakness was his chin, he couldn't take a very good shot.

Yeah, this about sums it up.

his comeback? Does he not have HIV? I'm sure I read this somewhere.

his comeback? Does he not have HIV? I'm sure I read this somewhere.

Ace,
He fought in 2007 and again in 2008. here's his record from Boxing records....
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1465&cat=boxer

They incorrectly diagnosed him with HIV Aids.

Incorrectly diagnosing hiv aids? WOW! changing a man's life that way. that's a problem. Didn't know he fought again though. I stand corrected.

-Ace

i can't believed the misdiagnosed him with hiv just before his fight with tyson. anyone think he had a chance against tyson at that point in his career?

It would be a war, and the winner IMO would be the person with the better chin. Tyson by KO.

i've seem some clips of him on youtube, there are some pretty impressive ko wins from him. i read elsewhere that he had a notoriously known glass jaw, any truth? He's only got 3 losses but i think they are all from ko/tko.

At Heavyweight 99% have a glass Jaw.
That has always been the Beauty of the Heavyweight Division.
A big punch can come at any point.

Again you people show your lack of boxing knowledge. When has been knocked out 3 times in 50 plus fights means you have a glass chin? He was stopped by Lewis but at the end up the fight he was on his feet. Tyson on the other hand was laying on his back but yet Tyson has a great chin according to you people. He came into the Bent fight cold and probably over sure in himself and lost but was still on his feet. Mercer stopped him after he tired himself out in a fighter he was dominating.

Morrison had a pretty decent chin and murderous power. Who knows how good he could of been if he would of focused on boxing more instead of sleeping with women and ending up with HIV.

Again you people show your lack of boxing knowledge. When has been knocked out 3 times in 50 plus fights means you have a glass chin? He was stopped by Lewis but at the end up the fight he was on his feet. Tyson on the other hand was laying on his back but yet Tyson has a great chin according to you people. He came into the Bent fight cold and probably over sure in himself and lost but was still on his feet. Mercer stopped him after he tired himself out in a fighter he was dominating.

Morrison had a pretty decent chin and murderous power. Who knows how good he could of been if he would of focused on boxing more instead of sleeping with women and ending up with HIV.
those are very good points. i wonder how long he went before he found out he was misdiagnosed.

Awesome left, but his chin was easy to find and he was easily overwhelmed. Regardless of how one feels about the term "glass chin," Morrison was simply prone to sudden knockdowns and stoppages at any give time. I don't like his chances against most versions of Tyson.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPt1j1elFIg&feature=related

Carl Williams somehow catches Morrison after taking a beating and drops him twice in Round 5.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA

Morrison gassed and Mercer can't miss.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu9nzeTOA-M

Morrison vs. Bentt. Morrison out in round 1.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDjnr0GRIyE

Outside of old man George, Morrison's best win against Ruddock; still manages to find a way to end up on the canvas in round 1. Morrison was also down twice against Ross Purrity in the middle rounds, and Lewis raped him.

Awesome left, but his chin was easy to find and he was easily overwhelmed. Regardless of how one feels about the term "glass chin," Morrison was simply prone to sudden knockdowns and stoppages at any give time. I don't like his chances against most versions of Tyson.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPt1j1elFIg&feature=related

Carl Williams somehow catches Morrison after taking a beating and drops him twice in Round 5.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA

Morrison gassed and Mercer can't miss.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu9nzeTOA-M

Morrison vs. Bentt. Morrison out in round 1.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDjnr0GRIyE

Outside of old man George, Morrison's best win against Ruddock; still manages to find a way to end up on the canvas in round 1. Morrison was also down twice against Ross Purrity in the middle rounds, and Lewis raped him.

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Here's Morrison going down against Puritty (around 4 minutes of the vid).

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The Lewis fight.

I can't say he had a good chin or even a decent one, I guess it could be said that Morrison also had stamina problems and a leaky defense which made him that much easier to hit especially in the later rounds.
So his 'chin' may not have been that bad after all, but it was certainly his biggest problem as a boxer.

When a top contender gets blown out in the first round by a Michael Bentt and has been knocked down over 10 times in his career, there are going to be questions. It's the same with Wladimir Klitschko.

Enough about his chin, here's his left hook:
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Tommy and I use to work out at Bally's in Overland Park Ks, he and his trainer. At the time I had no idea who he was at first, until one day we where all standing around talking and he said "I think i can beat Tyson". We all looked but just assumed it was just people talking stuff. Then a week later he passed out invites regarding a fight he was having, and I had heard the name.

He was a good guy, for the most part. He saw me hitting the bag at ******** boxing club once and gave me kudos on my left hook, at this time we had knew each other, not like friend by by recognition. I had moved up to Gladstone MO, and he was from that area, and there was this one guy that they would fight (street fight) everytime they saw each other, with Tommy cominig out on the losing end. I never witnessed this, as it was at primarily house party's for those that those who grew up there went to or at school, but the RUMOR (since Tommy was a big name by that time) around their was repeated by pretty much everyone I ever discussed him with.

As for his chin..he did not have a great chin by any means. I am not saying Tyson had one either. The difference is Tyson came up a boxer, thus he knew how to do other things that complimented taking a punch, or offest it, that is he had great head movment early on (Tommy didnt), Tyson had no problems with Stamina (Tommy did big time), Tommy never knew how to pace himself...Thus some of the basics that fghters who learned the art early on and progressed upwards, some of these basics that Tommy didnt have early on, impacted him big time as he faced better fighters.

Tyson IMO would have literally destroyed Tommy, unless tommy caught him coming in, then Tommy had a very very good offense with good power. However what would tommy do to stop Tyson from steamrolling him. NOTHING.

I used to work at CocaCola and I used to talk current boxing with a lot of the warehouse guys. One guy in particular would always rave about Tommy Morrison and how great he was in his heyday. I looked him up on boxrec.com and seems like he's fought some fair talent. What do you guys have to say?

Good enough to beat most guys.. but not good enough to beat the best

I used to work at CocaCola and I used to talk current boxing with a lot of the warehouse guys. One guy in particular would always rave about Tommy Morrison and how great he was in his heyday. I looked him up on boxrec.com and seems like he's fought some fair talent. What do you guys have to say?

** I'm shocked that most of the comments are quite reasonable.

Morrison tends to be one of those polarizing figures, like Tyson, who shortcircuits reasonable logic and attracts a vast array of hater types or fanboys.

On a natural talent and attributes level, I'd rank him 8-9 on a scale of ten which puts him up there with most heavy champs. His downfall was in his labeling, Another Great White Hope by his critics, and The Duke's fair haired slugger nephew by his promoters and supporters.

He was a star and local legend when he turned pro, and was youthfully reckless in his aim to answer the critics and please the fans. It was all a big party and show for him as he was obviously not much for training and more than willing to take shortcuts that he admits to, the steroids.

His first loss to Mercer is no shame, but damning in his lack of preparation and planning. Certainly no worse than Louis losing to Schmeling, Patterson to Ingo, but, unlike them, he didn't seem to learn much from it. No shame in losing to Lewis, a terrible combination of style and strength matchup for him. The Bentt loss is the curious one that makes out like he has a glass chin. Louis probably got knocked down more as did Patterson, but Louis is generally accorded as having a decent chin, but could get hurt, whereas Floyd labeled with the glass department, which, like Tommy, is really unfair and not the case.

The win over Foreman was the most complete win over Big George in his comeback. Though the tactics could be questioned from an enthusiast point of view, Morrison showed he could box and move when he wanted. His KO% is 81%, one of the best in history, and his fights, win, lose, or draw almost always highly charged action and excitement, only 2nd to Tyson.

The steroids take some shine off, but it's something he's never hidden unlike Holy who gets a vast amount of credit and is only now coming under criticism and reevaluation.

People forget that Morrison was only just 26 yrs old when his career is over, a traditional prime age for a heavy, yet already 45-3-1, 39 KOs, not including post HIV fights. Hard to know if he would have ever matured enough to make maximum use of his talent, but he did briefly hold a minor belt against one of the best HOF heavies in history.

I'd put him somewhere in the top 50 heavies, maybe even as high as, say 30th, but I don't sweat minor rankings much. The guy was always gonna be in any fight with his speed and power and Lord knows we could use more Morrisons and less Ruiz's and White Tyson wannabes these days.

I believe he had a promising career as a prize fighter.

The kid was good looking, had a well built physique, and was related to The Duke.

He chose the celebrity lifestyle which came with the booze, the women, the clubs, the women, the drugs, the women, the booze, the women, and the clubs.

And I think being in a Rocky movie made him a bit overconfident. :boxing:

Ok let me ask you people this then. Does Archie Moore have a bad chin? Moore was knocked out in his prime at middleweight by some unknown fighter in 1 round or so. Moore was knock down countless times in his career but in all of the forums i been too i never seen one person mention his weak chin. Do you know why his chin is never mentioned? Because if it was it would prove a another point i try to get across to you people and that is Marciano wasn't a hard puncher. Look at the people Morrison got knocked out by again. Bent, Mercer, and Lewis. Bent was a pretty decent fighter who was hurt by Herbie Hide so you don't know if he could of done more with his career or not. Lewis was the 2 time world champion and Mercer for a time was considered to be a top flight heavyweight.


Look at the people who knocked down and floored Moore. You didn't have to be a big banged to knock this guy down but it took Marciano 8 or 9 round to knock out a guy who was pushing 40 and was knocked out by people who were in his own weight class much easier. I will say this again you people base what you believe on what other people say and not what you see for your own 2 eyes. When somebody mentions a heavyweight with a great chin most of you will choose somebody like Tua or McCall but how many times in their career were the really tagged? You will mention Chuvalo who was stopped by Frazier and Foreman in 3 rounds. If the ref didnt stop the fight he would of went down eventually. What middleweights did Lamotta fight who were mudereous punchers like Julian Jackson, Pavlik, Benn, or McClellan? He fought guys who werent big punchers and that is why he wasnt knocked down often.

You can't trash Morrison for being stopped 3 times but then say Tyson a guy who was stopped 5 times has a better chin. Infact look at it this way, any heavyweight who is a banger will leave himself open to be hit. Which means eventually you are going to take some yourself. Few heavyweights who always came forward looking for the one punch knockout didnt go down from time to time. By no means did Morrison have a great chin but it was not nearly as bad as you people make it out to be.

All fighters are susceptible to the KO.

However, one can easily distinguish who has a weak chin and who doesn't by the number of times a fighter has been knocked down or out throughout his career.

A lot has to do with a fighter's defensive strategy and his state of mind during a bout.:boxing:

Tunney i believe 38 is pushing 40 and i dont believe i mention how many times Moore was down against Marciano. The point is he was a natural middleweight who was knocked out by natural middleweights in a few rounds in his prime. The people who knocked Morrison out were actually heavyweights and they were all in their primes. He wasn't fighting 40 year guys who were blown up middleweights and getting knocked down by them like Marciano was. Anyway i was just giving examples of how some fighters who were knocked down alot never get punished for being knocked down while others get ripped apart for doing the same thing.

Tunney Moore spent the first 8 years of his career at middleweight before moving up to light heavyweight. I don't care how much Moore weighed when he fought Marciano. Marciano was naturally bigger than him and yet he still struggled to knock out a man with a china chin. Morrison was only knocked out by 200 plus pound men and in 2 of those fights he was on his feet when the fight was stopped. Wlad does have a bad chin by the way. The moment he is touched he gets hurt not to mention he has made a career out of fighting 3rd rate fighters.

Lets just say Tommy lack of a serious amateur career exposed his chin more, than say a Tyson who learned (at least early on) defense and how to conserve energy. Tommy really never learned this, he would be winded many of time early on in fights.

wpink1 Lets just say Tommy lack of a serious amateur career exposed his chin more, than say a Tyson who learned (at least early on) defense and how to conserve energy. Tommy really never learned this, he would be winded many of time early on in fights.


Good point, Maybe Morrison went down in some of his fights because of stamina more than his chin being bad.

Lets just say Tommy lack of a serious amateur career exposed his chin more, than say a Tyson who learned (at least early on) defense and how to conserve energy. Tommy really never learned this, he would be winded many of time early on in fights.

** Wiki lists Tommy's amateur record as 222-20 which is considerably longer and starts much earlier than that of Tyson at 24-3 if accurate. In 88 he lost a split to Mercer in the Olympic trials. Compare to Tyson losing to Tillman in the 84 Olympic trials. This on top of his toughman career.

It wasn't a lack of development, it was the result of youthful full throttle recklessness that his fans demanded combined with lax training and heavy partying. He never had a Cus, Jacobs, and Cayton to guide him, so his whole career is that similar to the reckless King version of Tyson.

Oh, and for the usual suspects, anyone who thinking Archie Moore has a glass jaw really should be joining a knitting club being fitted for a bib and plastic knitting needles where their natural attributes would be better suited.

london. Wiki. is a truly in accurate source as any person can update that with false information. That being said I will research to see what his true amateur record is. He did have a toughman career, which teaches bad habits, and not the tecnhique that a boxer needs to be successful, especially defensivly.

The point of my post, which I believe you know, is that he did not learn the defensive skills necessary to help protect his chin, that is obvious when you see him fight, and you did point out correctly that he went full throttle early on in fghts, this shows he did not learn to pace himself.

Oh, and for the usual suspects, anyone who thinking Archie Moore has a glass jaw really should be joining a knitting club being fitted for a bib and plastic knitting needles where their natural attributes would be better suited.

Lol as I said before people like you London lack common sense never mind boxing knowledge. If Archie Moore didn't have a glass jaw then why was he knocked down and out so many times? Why was it that even in his prime against middleweights he was stopped in a couple of rounds by unknown opponents? I guess because no so called boxing experts told you to believe he has a glass chin then it means he didn't right? I can't think of a world champion in mordern boxer history who went down more than Moore.

Anyway Wpink i agree with you 100 percent. He was wild and wreckless with his style like you said and he was known for being a party animal. Countless heavyweights would of been stopped more than 3 times if they tried to apply the same style Morrison applied and didnt train hard for his fights.

Lol as I said before people like you London lack common sense never mind boxing knowledge. If Archie Moore didn't have a glass jaw then why was he knocked down and out so many times?

** What grade are you in kid?

Everyone knows that Archie was fighting HOF fights his whole career, 9 specifically the last 11 yrs of his career, going 6-3, with the only losses being to HOFer heavies. He never lost his LH title in the ring in that period. He was finally stripped at age 50, but not before he beat a bunch of top 10 era heavies on top of that.

Glass jaws don't make it that far, but gaseous brain cavities spew forever it seems.

London i went to UVA a major college in this country if you never heard of it so your computer insults dont bother me. Your stupidity only amuses me. Archie Moore fought hall of famers his whole career? Hilarious because Moore had over 200 fights and all of them were against HOFs? Give me a freaking break retard. Just because a fighter has a belt doenst mean he is great you simple minded fool. So i guess John Ruiz is a hall of famer in your eyes. He did have the title for a while. Valuev has it now so I guess he is a legend in your eyes.

Getting knocked flat on your ass by light punching middleweights means you have a weak chin. Moore could of defended the light heavyweight title until he was 100 but how many fighters like Michael Spinks or Roy Jones Jr did he fight doing that time? The guy fought trash just like most fighters of the era did. Just because a fighter is ranked in the top 10 in the era he is in doesnt mean that person is good. I believe Tye Fields was ranked in the top 10 or maybe top 20 until he got knocked out. That doenst prove a thing.


And this guy asked about Tommy Morrison and i gave examples or Archie Moore having a bad chin not so simple minded slow witted little kids like you would type back to me. If Tommy Morrison a guy who was stopped 3 times in his career then a guy like Archie Moore has a glass chin because he was stopped more.

london could you list the names of GREAT fighters that Archie Moore more beat to substantiate your post. Please cit the names and what makes them great.

I believe Archie Moore fought Ezzard Charles when they were both middleweights and i think Moore lost everytime. Moore fought Yvon Durelle I believe you spell it that way and was knocked down 2 or 3 times in the fight round but he did recover and won the fight. Look at Durell's record. Not really impressive is it?He was 90 wins with 24 loses. Not exactly hall of fame type numbers. I will give you some of the names and numbers of the so called good fighters Moore fought

Harold Johnson 76 wins 32 ko's with 10 loses ( Not much of a puncher yet he was able to knock Moore down).

Bobo Olsen 97 wins 47 kos with 16 loses

Joey Maxim 82 wins 21 kos with 29 loses ( Another light punching guy with alot of loses and Moore won the title from this joke)

When Moore was 32 he fought a guy named Leonard Morrow who was 11 wins with 2 loses and was knocked out in 1 round

Ezzard Charles knocked him out in 8

Jimmy Bivins knocked Moore out in 6

Eddie Booker knocked Moore out in 8

Charley Burley knocked Moore down 4 times and according to Moore Burley could of knocked him out any time he wanted to but chosed to punish him for being arrogant.

Holman Williams beat Moore ( Williams record is impressive but who did Holman beat besides Moore)

Aaron Wade and Jack Chase beat Moore

Moore had a 2 draws against Eddie Booker

Moore Lost to Teddy Yarosz

Johnny Romero beat Moore in their first fight and knocked him down 2 times.

Billy Adams beat Moore

Moore lost 2 fights to Shory Hogue ( based on what i read the fights were close and could of gone either way but who the hell is Shorty Hogue?The point is Moore still lost to him)

Moore had a 3 more draws to 3rd rate hack fighters before his lost to Billy Adams.

This was just in him prime. I could of named Ali, Marciano , and Patterson who stopped him our how when he was past his prime he fought 3 wrestlers who had no previous fights and didn't fight after Moore beat him just to show how padded Moore's record was.

I said this before and I will repeat this for hopefully the last time. Fighters like Moore and Walcott are built up to make it seem like Marciano another overrated fighter fought people who weren't bums but as you can see Moore was nothing special. Just a average fighter who had alot of heart but a weak chin. A fighter who padded his record by beating bums and now most people think he was this murderous puncher when he wasn't MOORE HAD A WEAK CHIN AND HE BEAT ANY GREAT FIGHTERS IN HIS CAREER!!!

Great Post Randi. London, always...correction most of the time bites off more than his knowledge can chew... I would like to recite the heavyweight champ thread we where on where he said Tyson had a tougher resume than Ali.... Wow what a joke.

Way to set he record straight.

Thanks Wpink1, If London really believes Tyson fought better opponents than Ali then he really is a sad case. Tyson fought some half way decent opponents but most were Don King fighters who so who knows if they were told to take a dive or not. I am pretty sure most of you agree Bruce Seldon a King controlled fighter did take a dive for Tyson. Tyson's who career was based on him knocking out nobodies or guys past their prime. The moment he stepped up and fought people who weren't controlled by King he lost.

Tyson's fans will claim it was because he was washed up at 23. What fighter is past their prime at 23? In every post about Tyson you will hear this " When he was 22 and beat Spinks he would of have beat any heavyweight that night" Then you realize Spinks wasn't a heavyweight and came into the fight scared out of his mind. You can't based Tyson's career off being a light heavyweight who was afraid of him.

I try to bring something different this forum. Most of the people here just repeat what some boxing guy on tv tells them to think. You ask people who had the best jab in heavyweight history and then will either say Liston's or Holmes. Both had a good jabs but they weren't the best. You ask a person here who has the best chin in boxing history and most will say a guy like Jake Lamotta a guy who never faced any huge punchers who were natural middleweights or they will mention a guy like Chuvalo who besides from Ali,Frazier and Foreman how many world class fighters he faced and how many of them were world class punchers. The ref stopped the fight before Frazier and Foreman could knock him down.

You come to this Forum and you usually will see this. 99 percent of the post are about how mexicans, ricans or asians are better than white or black fighters or you will see some european guy bashing a american one or a american bashing a european one. The fact is the best fighters in the world have always been european white and blacks or american whites and blacks.

It would be nice to come here and see americans praising white and black fighters....our people. It would be great to see people in post bring up new facts to prove their points. It would be nice to see less biased comments between europeans and americans. But hey i am a dreamer, none of this will ever happen.

wpink1 Lets just say Tommy lack of a serious amateur career exposed his chin more, than say a Tyson who learned (at least early on) defense and how to conserve energy. Tommy really never learned this, he would be winded many of time early on in fights.


Good point, Maybe Morrison went down in some of his fights because of stamina more than his chin being bad.

Stamina was not an issue against Michael Bentt.

He was a good fighter with very good power, especially in his left hook. He wasn't the most technically skilled fighter but his skills were good enough, his one big weakness was his chin, he couldn't take a very good shot.

This is an accurate description of Morrison. The Razor Ruddock that Morrison fought was an extremely faded version and that has to be pointed out too.

Joseph what excuse does Lewis have for being knocked out with one punch by McCall? The Rudduck that Lewis fought was faded too and most fighters get knocked out but being only knocked out 3 times and having over 50 fights isn't that bad is it?

I believe Archie Moore fought Ezzard Charles when they were both middleweights and i think Moore lost everytime. Moore fought Yvon Durelle I believe you spell it that way and was knocked down 2 or 3 times in the fight round but he did recover and won the fight. Look at Durell's record. Not really impressive is it?He was 90 wins with 24 loses. Not exactly hall of fame type numbers. I will give you some of the names and numbers of the so called good fighters Moore fought

Harold Johnson 76 wins 32 ko's with 10 loses ( Not much of a puncher yet he was able to knock Moore down).

Bobo Olsen 97 wins 47 kos with 16 loses

Joey Maxim 82 wins 21 kos with 29 loses ( Another light punching guy with alot of loses and Moore won the title from this joke)

When Moore was 32 he fought a guy named Leonard Morrow who was 11 wins with 2 loses and was knocked out in 1 round

Ezzard Charles knocked him out in 8

Jimmy Bivins knocked Moore out in 6

Eddie Booker knocked Moore out in 8

Charley Burley knocked Moore down 4 times and according to Moore Burley could of knocked him out any time he wanted to but chosed to punish him for being arrogant.

Holman Williams beat Moore ( Williams record is impressive but who did Holman beat besides Moore)

Aaron Wade and Jack Chase beat Moore

Moore had a 2 draws against Eddie Booker

Moore Lost to Teddy Yarosz

Johnny Romero beat Moore in their first fight and knocked him down 2 times.

Billy Adams beat Moore

Moore lost 2 fights to Shory Hogue ( based on what i read the fights were close and could of gone either way but who the hell is Shorty Hogue?The point is Moore still lost to him)

Moore had a 3 more draws to 3rd rate hack fighters before his lost to Billy Adams.

This was just in him prime. I could of named Ali, Marciano , and Patterson who stopped him our how when he was past his prime he fought 3 wrestlers who had no previous fights and didn't fight after Moore beat him just to show how padded Moore's record was.

I said this before and I will repeat this for hopefully the last time. Fighters like Moore and Walcott are built up to make it seem like Marciano another overrated fighter fought people who weren't bums but as you can see Moore was nothing special. Just a average fighter who had alot of heart but a weak chin. A fighter who padded his record by beating bums and now most people think he was this murderous puncher when he wasn't MOORE HAD A WEAK CHIN AND HE BEAT ANY GREAT FIGHTERS IN HIS CAREER!!!

This post is ignant.

Joseph what excuse does Lewis have for being knocked out with one punch by McCall? The Rudduck that Lewis fought was faded too and most fighters get knocked out but being only knocked out 3 times and having over 50 fights isn't that bad is it?

With all due respect Randy, you slammed Archie Moore who was only stopped 7 times in 220 fights, yet you are finding it acceptable to have over 50 fights with 3 career ko losses. I am not following your logic. could you explain it please?

Joseph what excuse does Lewis have for being knocked out with one punch by McCall? The Rudduck that Lewis fought was faded too and most fighters get knocked out but being only knocked out 3 times and having over 50 fights isn't that bad is it?

I don't understand your question about Lewis since I never made any excuses for Lewis. If you want to compare Lewis to Morrison, Lewis ripped Morrison apart when thery fought. As far as the chin, Morrison was dropped twice by Ross Purity, three times by Michael Bentt, twice against Carl Williams, once against Mercer and multiple times against Lewis. That doesnt speak well for Morrison's chin. Second, Ruddock was the number 1 contender and was favored to beat Lewis. So where you get the idea that he was "faded" in that fight is a mystery to me. Third, Ruddock had one fight in three years prior to Fighting Morrison. I hope you see where I'm going with this.

He definitely had a weak chin, but there is no denying the mans skill and punching power( particularly the left hook) and he had some defensive lapses as well. For a guy to be so young and athletic, he was wide open and his chin couldn't handle it. You could just go so far with fighting like that.


Sweet

Good thing his people didn't match him against someone like Tyson as he would have been blown away in seconds. Ray Mercer like Fashion, it would only be a matter of time. With that being said, i rank one of the best heavyweights on the 90's and he was one of my favorites. He would probably be dominate in todays ****ty division.


Sweet

I believe Archie Moore fought Ezzard Charles when they were both middleweights and i think Moore lost everytime. Moore fought Yvon Durelle I believe you spell it that way and was knocked down 2 or 3 times in the fight round but he did recover and won the fight. Look at Durell's record. Not really impressive is it?He was 90 wins with 24 loses. Not exactly hall of fame type numbers. I will give you some of the names and numbers of the so called good fighters Moore fought

Harold Johnson 76 wins 32 ko's with 10 loses ( Not much of a puncher yet he was able to knock Moore down).

Bobo Olsen 97 wins 47 kos with 16 loses

Joey Maxim 82 wins 21 kos with 29 loses ( Another light punching guy with alot of loses and Moore won the title from this joke)

When Moore was 32 he fought a guy named Leonard Morrow who was 11 wins with 2 loses and was knocked out in 1 round

Ezzard Charles knocked him out in 8

Jimmy Bivins knocked Moore out in 6

Eddie Booker knocked Moore out in 8

Charley Burley knocked Moore down 4 times and according to Moore Burley could of knocked him out any time he wanted to but chosed to punish him for being arrogant.

Holman Williams beat Moore ( Williams record is impressive but who did Holman beat besides Moore)

Aaron Wade and Jack Chase beat Moore

Moore had a 2 draws against Eddie Booker

Moore Lost to Teddy Yarosz

Johnny Romero beat Moore in their first fight and knocked him down 2 times.

Billy Adams beat Moore

Moore lost 2 fights to Shory Hogue ( based on what i read the fights were close and could of gone either way but who the hell is Shorty Hogue?The point is Moore still lost to him)

Moore had a 3 more draws to 3rd rate hack fighters before his lost to Billy Adams.

This was just in him prime. I could of named Ali, Marciano , and Patterson who stopped him our how when he was past his prime he fought 3 wrestlers who had no previous fights and didn't fight after Moore beat him just to show how padded Moore's record was.

I said this before and I will repeat this for hopefully the last time. Fighters like Moore and Walcott are built up to make it seem like Marciano another overrated fighter fought people who weren't bums but as you can see Moore was nothing special. Just a average fighter who had alot of heart but a weak chin. A fighter who padded his record by beating bums and now most people think he was this murderous puncher when he wasn't MOORE HAD A WEAK CHIN AND HE BEAT ANY GREAT FIGHTERS IN HIS CAREER!!!Yarosz, chase, Booker, Burley, Lytell, Marshall, Bivins, Cocoa kid, charles, Oakland Billy Smith, Lowry, Satterfield, Johnson, Maxim, Olson, Pastrano, Durelle, Patterson, Marciano, Ali. These are some of the best fighters from the era, and Moore fought most of them multiple times. I'd like to know how you have come to the conclussion Moore had a weak chin when he was only stopped 7 times in his career. 5 of those times were to hall of fame fighters. Another was to the great Eddie Booker, who was part of the "black murderers row" of fighters who were denied title shots because of the color of their skin. And the ko to Morrow came after fighting his 4th fight in less than 2 months. Moore was an all time great, and one helluva puncher to boot. I think you need to dig a little deeper than just boxrec, my friend.

[/B]Yarosz, chase, Booker, Burley, Lytell, Marshall, Bivins, Cocoa kid, charles, Oakland Billy Smith, Lowry, Satterfield, Johnson, Maxim, Olson, Pastrano, Durelle, Patterson, Marciano, Ali. These are some of the best fighters from the era, and Moore fought most of them multiple times. I'd like to know how you have come to the conclussion Moore had a weak chin when he was only stopped 7 times in his career. 5 of those times were to hall of fame fighters. Another was to the great Eddie Booker, who was part of the "black murderers row" of fighters who were denied title shots because of the color of their skin. And the ko to Morrow came after fighting his 4th fight in less than 2 months. Moore was an all time great, and one helluva puncher to boot. I think you need to dig a little deeper than just boxrec, my friend.

It's easy to see that he only took a quick look at boxrec to make up that post. Not trying to sound offensive but I don't think randy johnson knows much about pre-70's boxing, he seems to discredit all boxers who fought before his own time.

Moore fought 220 times, was stopped 7 times and mostly against great opposition who were often bigger than him. He fought from the 1930's to the 1960's, from the Louis era to the Ali era, an amazing feat.

He defeated top contenders from the middleweight division (Holman Williams, Cocoa Kid, Bobo Olson) to the light heavyweight division (Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yvon Durelle) and eventually all the way up to the heavyweight division (Baker, Valdes, Bivins, Satterfield).

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40 year old (or older) Archie Moore

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Moore in his mid 40's

You ask a person here who has the best chin in boxing history and most will say a guy like Jake Lamotta a guy who never faced any huge punchers who were natural middleweights

The biggest puncher LaMotta faced was probably Bob Satterfield, who was one of the hardest hitters of all time in my opinion. LaMotta took his best and KO'd Satterfield in the 8th round.

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Bob Satterfield

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Here's the man LaMotta won his world middleweight title from, Marcel Cerdan (Cerdan had 66 KO's to his credit).

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LaMotta fights Robinson

It's easy to see that he only took a quick look at boxrec to make up that post. Not trying to sound offensive but I don't think randy johnson knows much about pre-70's boxing, he seems to discredit all boxers who fought before his own time.

That's a phenomina I encounter on a daily basis on this forum.

Poet

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Pretty cool highlight of the duke! It sad what happened!