View Full Version : Shamrock Gets Next Shot at ‘Slice’


jakkups
08-25-2008, 02:04 PM
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/shamrock-gets-next-shot-at-slice-14185

Ken Shamrock will be the fourth man to face Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson when the two icons clash at EliteXC’s third installment of “Saturday Night Fights” Oct. 4 at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Fla. The headlining bout will anchor a live broadcast on CBS.

Sherdog.com confirmed the bout’s signing with multiple parties aware of the fight, while a press release is expected to circulate later today with the news.

The 44-year-old Shamrock (26-13-2) beat out fellow candidates Sean Gannon and Brett Rogers, who called out Slice in May, for the coveted slot.

Shamrock, a 15-year veteran of the game who made his storied Octagon debut at UFC 1 in November 1993, has dropped his last five bouts in a row since 2005, including a lackluster showing against brawler Robert Berry at Cage Rage 25 last March.

However, “The World’s Most Dangerous Man” exudes substantial selling power for a match now only five and a half weeks away. A strong personality in and out of the cage, Shamrock’s 15 appearances in the UFC earned him international recognition alongside his original nemesis Royce Gracie.

Slice (3-0) earned a third-round victory against Brit James Thompson in his last foray for EliteXC in May. The bout was much criticized for its questionable officiating, placing Ferguson’s skill set in doubt after Thompson held the advantage for sizable stretches of the 11-minute contest. Ferguson holds previous wins over David "Tank" Abbott and Bo Cantrell.

number6
08-25-2008, 02:47 PM
Ken's well past it, Kimbo wins by ko.

Kakutogi-Gumi
08-25-2008, 03:05 PM
slice is going to have to earn it again. shammy can still rely on his leglocks.

Palma
08-25-2008, 03:22 PM
Ken might pull an upset as long as he doesn't sit and bang with Kimbo. Take him to the ground and expose his weakness!

jakkups
08-25-2008, 03:58 PM
If Ken's last performance is anything to go by then I doubt Ken will do anything, just circle round and then get KO'ed again. It's bull**** really and proves once again that Kimbo is a joke and his people know it otherwise they would've have setup him against Brett Rogers.

1bad65
08-25-2008, 04:16 PM
Yet ANOTHER over-40 opponent on a long losing streak. Ridiculous.

Dorian
08-25-2008, 04:49 PM
Kimbo by murder round 1

ABOSWORTH
08-25-2008, 05:05 PM
Shamrock is shot!!!! He was kind of overrated IMO anyway.

Savino
08-25-2008, 06:11 PM
no suprise here. anyone see ken's last fight?

jakkups
08-25-2008, 06:14 PM
Shamrock is shot!!!! He was kind of overrated IMO anyway.

I disagree, during the mid 90's Shamrock was without doubt one of the best in the world during a tough era of MMA. He mixed it up with Gracie, Rutten, Funaki, Severn, Patrick and Mo Smith to name a few. He wasn't overrated by any stretch. The only knock on him was that he obviously suffered alot more damage with his WWF stint and when he did come back it looked like and still does look like the dedication and drive had gone and he is quite happy to rely on what he knows rather than seriously trying to add more skills to his grappling ability.

What annoys me most about this is that EliteXC are trying to bill Kimbo as a sensation and a legit top heavyweight, and they have him fight guys that were either hasbeens (Tank and Shamrock) or never-was (Thompson and Cantrell). If they truly believed that Kimbo is as good as they say he is then give him a challenge a la Brett Rogers.

MJ406
08-25-2008, 06:32 PM
What annoys me most about this is that EliteXC are trying to bill Kimbo as a sensation and a legit top heavyweight, and they have him fight guys that were either hasbeens (Tank and Shamrock) or never-was (Thompson and Cantrell). If they truly believed that Kimbo is as good as they say he is then give him a challenge a la Brett Rogers.[/QUOTE]

yeah this is kinda ridiculous, (said already) but Elite XC wants a name, and obviously Shamrock's is much bigger then Rogers. Between the UFC and WWF who hasn't heard of Ken Shamrock?

So what's next for Kimbo post Shamrock? a Tank Abbott rematch?

seriously though, watch it be Butterbean or Cabbage.

xEDDIEx
08-25-2008, 06:41 PM
wasnt kimbo supposed to fight gannon?

1bad65
08-25-2008, 07:51 PM
wasnt kimbo supposed to fight gannon?

No. He will be a potential Kimbo opponent after he turns 40.

Brick Top
08-25-2008, 08:39 PM
NO way Ken can win this fight , did you see his fight vs Buzz , Ken`s chin is long gone , his take down is gone and his strength is gone !

Kimbo is to strong to be taken down , First strike that lands for Kimbo will have Ken taking a dive for the floor , this is when Kimbo wins by easy first round GNP !

Ken is shot !

Kimbo will avoid Bert Rogers like the plague , dont count on this fight going down !

ElGranLuchador
08-25-2008, 09:20 PM
oh god this is gonna be so embarrasing for ken
to lose to a joke like kimbo

1bad65
08-25-2008, 09:37 PM
oh god this is gonna be so embarrasing for ken
to lose to a joke like kimbo

What's even worse is that a UFC Hall of Fame member like Ken Shamrock will make less money than an Internet hype machine who has fought nothing but bums.

Mech.
08-25-2008, 10:29 PM
No. He will be a potential Kimbo opponent after he turns 40.

lol.


Slice is kinda of their main attraction, of course they're not gonna throw him to the wolves, you guys need to calm down. Anybody with any sense can see through slice, I dont see why you guys are upset about it.

MJ406
08-25-2008, 10:45 PM
Slice is kinda of their main attraction, of course they're not gonna throw him to the wolves, you guys need to calm down. Anybody with any sense can see through slice, I dont see why you guys are upset about it.[/QUOTE]

It's more comic relief, but that's just me. The minute I saw Kimbo's potential opponents listed as Rogers, Gannon and Shamrock ... that last name hit a green light because he's the most known

but anyway, if you look at Kimbo's 3-0 record you'll notice that ALL his opponents are coming off of loses into there respective fights with Slice.

and seeing as Shamrock has lost 5 in a row, he fits that trend perfectly.

don't be too shocked to see Elite XC try and milk that potential Rogers-Slice fight by giving Kimbo a couple more cans

heck Butterbean and Cabbage are 2 more names to throw into the pot as names he could face.

** depending on how that Bigfoot Silva drug test situation plays out, Kimbo very well could be fighting for the Elite XC Heavyweight crown quite soon.

The Legacy
08-26-2008, 09:24 AM
Elite are trying to build Kimbo Slice as their main man, the "next big thing" as it were. So it's obvious they are going to put him up against big names who are on the downward spiral to retirement.

Ken Shamrock hasn't won a fight in four years, but he's a big name and after Slice gets the KO, some people who don't know much about all the hype surrounding him will think, "Hmm, he must be pretty good."

I'd like to see him fight Gannon in the cage. Gannon beat Slice in one of those Internet fight things, even though both were out of breath after five minutes.

On second thoughts, I'd love to see Slice go up against anyone with a good ground game, take him to the floor and make him tap.

KESSLER
08-26-2008, 10:35 AM
**** Kimbo, he is useless. Ken is my favorite fighter of all time, he can still win on the ground.. Seriously.. Kimbo has zero skills on the ground. If they stand though, it'll be Kimbo by KO. But a prime Shamrock....... Kimbo would die.

Cuauhtémoc1520
08-26-2008, 11:15 AM
You guys take this crap way to seriously. Kimbo is a baby in the world of MMA, I continue not to understand why some people want this guy to fight a top contender.

Even though he's 32 or 33, how ever old he is, he knows NOTHING about MMA. He's been training for a year and a half, that's it.

There going to set him up with people he can learn from and beat until they feel he's good enough to compete with someone worth while and then he will lose and you all will be loving life calling him a bum.

A bum who has the heart to actually get in the ring and fight and not sit back like a backseat driver telling people what the sport is all about.

He's in it for the money, let the man make his money and dissapear into the Miami streets. While he's here though, he's fun to watch and that's all I take it for.

1bad65
08-26-2008, 11:28 AM
If it goes to the ground, Shamrock can pull it out. Kimbo is a joke on the ground and Ken does have very good leglocks.

2 things though; going for leglocks puts you in vulnerable positions, and Ken is a natural Light Heavyweight and I'm sure Elite is making him come up in weight so Kimbo can fight and an older AND smaller opponent.

ABOSWORTH
08-26-2008, 04:32 PM
I disagree, during the mid 90's Shamrock was without doubt one of the best in the world during a tough era of MMA. He mixed it up with Gracie, Rutten, Funaki, Severn, Patrick and Mo Smith to name a few. He wasn't overrated by any stretch. The only knock on him was that he obviously suffered alot more damage with his WWF stint and when he did come back it looked like and still does look like the dedication and drive had gone and he is quite happy to rely on what he knows rather than seriously trying to add more skills to his grappling ability.

What annoys me most about this is that EliteXC are trying to bill Kimbo as a sensation and a legit top heavyweight, and they have him fight guys that were either hasbeens (Tank and Shamrock) or never-was (Thompson and Cantrell). If they truly believed that Kimbo is as good as they say he is then give him a challenge a la Brett Rogers.

Touche!! I didn't really watch MMA until only like 3 years ago so my opinion is ****!:lol1: I didn't know anything about his WWF stint either. I think he has been overrated by the UFC in the passed few years but maybe they are just being loyal to him because at one time he really was the most dangerous man on the planet.

Thanks for the info.

Kakutogi-Gumi
08-26-2008, 05:08 PM
Ben Fowlkes gets it on the dot. (http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/25/elite-xcs-twisted-approach-to-matchmaking/#more-2405)

This begs the question, what are we watching for? Is it to see a good fight, or just a good beating? Is it because we want to know who wins, or because we want to know how bad it can get?

The worst of it is that Elite XC is squandering a great opportunity. They think that people will tune in to CBS, see Kimbo beat down Shamrock and Carano demolish Kobald, and then we***8217;ll all be foaming at the mouth to see a pay-per-view where they actually make legitimate fights for a change. But what they***8217;re really doing is intentionally putting an inferior product on live network TV. Someone please tell me, how does that help them build a fan base?

Maybe it wouldn***8217;t be so irritating if they weren***8217;t so glib about it. Elite XC has got to be the only MMA promotion in the world where being a talented fighter can keep you out of the main event. The sole reason Brett Rogers isn***8217;t getting his shot at Kimbo on CBS is because he might win. You can***8217;t even argue that it has to do with his lack of name recognition among casual fans, not after they put Kimbo against James Thompson in their first CBS offering.

It***8217;s not that Shamrock can***8217;t win, either. Any guy who knows his way around a submission the way he does always has a chance. But we all know who Elite XC wants to see come out on top, and that***8217;s not how a fight promotion is supposed to work. Not if it wants to be taken seriously, anyway.

1bad65
08-26-2008, 06:55 PM
That guy did hit the nail on the head. That's why Elite is losing money fast, while Affliction is doing very well and making money. Good article.

To answer abosworth; The knock on Shamrock is that he never really cross-trained. He started out as a leglock specialist basically. He never really worked on his standup or his 'Guard game'. Despite his experience he has NEVER had good standup or been able to work well off his back. He just relied on his leglocks his entire career.

number6
08-27-2008, 06:41 AM
no suprise here. anyone see ken's last fight?

The Buzz Berry fight was a joke he went down very easy. Bad enough to look like a dive.

If it goes to the ground, Shamrock can pull it out. Kimbo is a joke on the ground and Ken does have very good leglocks.

2 things though; going for leglocks puts you in vulnerable positions, and Ken is a natural Light Heavyweight and I'm sure Elite is making him come up in weight so Kimbo can fight and an older AND smaller opponent.

This fight will end on their feet within 2mins.imo.

Kakutogi-Gumi
08-27-2008, 03:07 PM
As for Oct 4th; that was our spot. Shamrock with his name and giant ego butted in line to get a slice of Kevin. At 103 years of age Ken usurped our rightful place against the YouTube champ. Our sincerest hope is that Ken whips Kimbo and then we can finally euthanize the ***8220;World***8217;s Most Dangerous Man***8221; and relegate him to some MMA dinosaur exhibit. Maybe taxidermy him and Severn and place them on a rotating pedestal where they can endless circle each other.

If Ken proves to be more sham then rock and Fergi beats him, then the Slice hype grows even greater. Dude is already more myth then Sasquatch, Chupacabra and a ****ing unicorn combined. Kevin is the black Yeti.

- Brett Rogers

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/27/5-oz-exclusive-brett-rogers-and-his-camp-release-explosive-new-statement-regarding-elitexcs-decision-to-promote-kimbo-slice-vs-ken-shamrock/

1bad65
08-27-2008, 08:50 PM
You gotta admire Rogers. The guy tells it like sees it.

Though I don't really think Shamrock so much jumped to the front of the line. I think Elite made sure Rogers was not in the line in the first place.

jakkups
08-27-2008, 09:46 PM
someone had to be honest about it, at least Rogers has the balls to do so even if he does work for them.

Miyagi
08-28-2008, 12:59 AM
shamrock has root rot.

jakkups
08-28-2008, 04:11 PM
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/shamrock-i-will-break-his-leg-14203

Shamrock: ‘I Will Break His Leg’

The contrasts couldn’t be clearer. Ken Shamrock is a grizzled veteran of mixed martial arts, a 44-year-old UFC Hall of Famer who has battled the most well-known fighters of the past 15 years in rings and cages across the world. Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson is a baby in the sport, a tough street fighter who banks on his heavy hands to get him toward a respect to match his box office appeal.

Shamrock (26-13-2) knows these differences. But heading into a fight with the bearded brawler on national network television Oct. 4 -- the main event of EliteXC “Saturday Night Fights” on CBS -- Shamrock is thinking just as much about what he and Slice (3-0) have in common.

“Where I’m at in this stage of my career, this is probably the biggest fight in my life since I started fighting,” Shamrock said. “This is the biggest, because, you know, I’m at the stage of my career where it’s put up or shut up. And you know, Kimbo’s at that same stage. Put up or shut up.”

Like Slice, Shamrock is coming off a less-than-stellar performance, which itself came after he’d lost four straight. In March, “The World’s Most Dangerous Man” fizzled against journeyman Robert “Buzz” Berry in London for the Cage Rage organization. Shamrock circled Berry tentatively, failed on a takedown attempt, and about three and a half minutes into the first round was hit with a right hook that felled him unceremoniously.

Slice also struggled in his last effort on May 31 against the cartoonish James Thompson. Slice was hurt and exposed on the ground, and gassed so hard he had trouble talking after the fight, which he managed to win with flailing punches in the third.

Shamrock believes Kimbo Slice was exposed in his bout with James Thompson back in May.“Kimbo got exposed,” Shamrock said. “Because he got exposed, they’re going to go back and make sure they fix those things. So it’s not like they’re going to have the same fighter this time.”

There’s another similarity. Shamrock said he also won’t be the same fighter who stepped into Cage Rage in March. He said he was hit by an illness that intensified once he touched down in England and cut into his preparation. Experience alone wasn’t enough to get him through the fight, though he thought he could handle it.

“I don’t want to go into the symptoms,” Shamrock said about the ailment. “It was serious enough to where I lost 20 pounds and I was probably sick for about four weeks after I got back from England. I was hospitalized for about four days. It was a bad sickness. We got the right antibiotics and got everything cleared. I got myself back on the track again and going in the right direction and got my weigh back on. We started pursuing a fight, the Kimbo Slice thing came up and we said, ‘Wow, this is the perfect fight for me, man. You can’t gift wrap one better than this.’”

EliteXC managed to book a main event that is perfect for both Shamrock and Slice. Slice, 34, needs to face name opponents who present a threat, but not one dire enough to seriously damage his marketable aura. Shamrock, unquestionably in the twilight of his career, needs a high-profile opponent to maintain his relevance in the marketplace, preferably one with an experience deficit that could create openings.

The in-ring chemistry is right, and so is the potential to draw viewers to a broadcast that could keep the deeply indebted EliteXC above water. Slice and Shamrock have been in two of the three most-watched fights in the history of the sport stateside. The YouTube icon’s May 31 tilt with Thompson attracted 6.51 million viewers on CBS, while the third meeting between Shamrock and Tito Ortiz in October 2006 drew 5.7 million viewers during its initial live airing on ****e TV.

Shamrock, who has never met Slice, didn’t hesitate when asked to name the traits that make Slice a television draw.

“The way he looks, he’s very impressive looking,” Shamrock said. “He moves well for a big guy, before he gets tired, and talks well. He’s just got this image about him in the way he speaks. He’s a very, very intimidating person. He walks into the room, people look. When he talks, people listen. So he’s got that charisma. He’s got what it takes to be marketable. Now we’ll figure out whether he’s got what it takes to be a fighter.”

Shamrock is training at his Lion’s Den facility in Reno, Nev., and is looking to improve his punching power and his ability to cut angles on his feet. Shamrock first made his name using leg locks to submit boot-and-kickpad-wearing opponents in the Pancrase organization, but said he can handle Slice in all facets of the game.

“Honestly, I think I can test him anywhere,” he said. “He’s got big, heavy hands. Everyone says he punches hard and he probably does. But again, he doesn’t punch properly, in my opinion. He swings his hands, he moves his body back and forth trying to get as much power as he can, but there’s really no snap behind it. You can usually see the punches coming. I’m going to do what I need to do. If it goes to the ground, I’ll probably break his leg. I mean, no question. I will break his leg. If he gives it to me, I’m going to break it.”

One thing Shamrock said he needs to factor into his game plan is referees’ tendencies to stop his fights when he’s in deep waters. The stoppage in his second fight with Ortiz in 2006 touched off an audience backlash that compelled the UFC to put a rematch on free TV, and Shamrock feels he should have been given more time to regain his composure after being knocked down by “Buzz” Berry.

“I’m sure (referees) are concerned,” he said. “But they’ve got to keep in the back of their mind that I didn’t get to where I’m at by having people protect me.”

Palma
08-28-2008, 06:44 PM
No. He will be a potential Kimbo opponent after he turns 40.

Hilarious!!

Nice one!

Pecs
08-29-2008, 03:50 PM
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeen............. Shaaaaaaaamrock!!!!

kingprodigy10
08-30-2008, 10:04 PM
kimbo vs shamrock what a fight!!! kimbo wins by KO in 2nd then fights Brett Rogers

th4l3pr3ch4un
08-31-2008, 02:05 PM
This fight is nothing but a freakshow... but bet your ass ill be watching it haha

YUHHHHHHH!
08-31-2008, 04:47 PM
If Shamrock stands / tries to counter punch and doesn't push the pace like he did in his last fight against Robert Berry, he will get KTFO'd fast.

Kimbo might be riding a hype train, but the dude can get rid of you in a hot minute if you don't know what you're doing and try to bang with him.

Kakutogi-Gumi
08-31-2008, 09:56 PM
If they can get past FSAC, they still have to compete with Ohio State vs. Wisconsin