i have heard handspeed cant be taught, even if this technique is applied, what do you thin, ,i havent done it before but may start doing it depending on the feedback i get

People who say handspeed can't be taught are ****ing idiots.

Don't listen to them.

it's genetics, if handspeed could be tought, everyone would be as fast as roy jones.

People who say handspeed can't be taught are ****ing idiots.

Don't listen to them.

Hand speed is largely determined at birth. It has to do with percentages of each type of muscle fiber that your muscles are composed of. However, you can improve your hand speed by increasing the size and strength of the fast twitch fibers as well as improving your punching technique.

lol roy jones wasn't born with quick hands, he had to develop himself to become a quick fighter. (however it means he could develop himself better than the average person).

everyone can get better at improving speed, just not roy jones type speed.

lol roy jones wasn't born with quick hands, he had to develop himself to become a quick fighter. (however it means he could develop himself better than the average person).

everyone can get better at improving speed, just not roy jones type speed.

yeah you can improve it but to a certain point

Once again, handspeed can be taught. Of course Roy Jones Jr. was faster then most will ever be, he worked on it since he was how old? And yes, fast twitch muscles help, but what the **** does that have to do with this teenage kid in a gym trying to improve his handspeed?

"HANDSPEED CAN'T BE TAUGHT" is almost as ****ing stupid as "LIFTING WEIGHTS IS TERRIBLE FOR BOXING!!"

Roy Jones was born with the talent to have handspeed better than others while others worked as much as him, or even more. He still had to work on it.

yeah you can improve it but to a certain point

What point? Is there somewhere along the way that your body says "LOL NO MORE FASTURRRRRRRRRR"? No.

It's the 21st century, grow up.

What point? Is there somewhere along the way that your body says "LOL NO MORE FASTURRRRRRRRRR"? No.

It's the 21st century, grow up.

chill out, why are you so touchy about this subject?

chill out, why are you so touchy about this subject?

Because you are giving faulty advice to someone who is potentially trying to better himself.

Because you are giving faulty advice to someone who is potentially trying to better himself.

I was just saying my opinion, im pretty fast and i never used dumbells while shadow boxing and i never train on the speed bag, all i do is just shadow box alot so i gues it has to be genetics

I was just saying my opinion, im pretty fast and i never used dumbells while shadow boxing so i gues it has to be genetics

Using dumbells while shadow boxing isn't the only way to improve hand speed.. you realize this, right? Almost everybody on the board seems to be "pretty quick". Have fun remaining "pretty quick" the rest of your boxing career while others improve and you're left with "pretty average".

Using dumbells while shadow boxing isn't the only way to improve hand speed.. you realize this, right? Almost everybody on the board seems to be "pretty quick". Have fun remaining "pretty quick" the rest of your boxing career while others improve and you're left with "pretty average".

pretty average is fine by me, don't want to be to greedy

pretty ignorant is fine by me, don't want to be to greedy

Sounds fair.

Sounds fair.

why am i ignorant? you haven't stated any facts why handspeed has got nothing to do with genetics

why am i ignorant? you haven't stated any facts why handspeed has got nothing to do with genetics

As a matter of fact, I did state that handspeed has something to do with genetics. I also stated that improving your handspeed through drills, etc. will help.. well, improve your ****ing handspeed.

It's time to grow up, hinduw.

As a matter of fact, I did state that handspeed has something to do with genetics. I also stated that improving your handspeed through drills, etc. will help.. well, improve your ****ing handspeed.

It's time to grow up, hinduw.

Yes it can be improved but only to a certain point, but doesn't mather kryo i know you are slow, but if you want to believe that with hard work you will be fast one day thats cool. I don't want to take you out of your fantasy world

Personally i have seen some benefits from shadowboxing with dumbells, i wouldnt suggest using too much weight, something small like 1-3 pounds.

By the way, getting boxing advices from hinduw is like getting sex tips by the pope.

Yes it can be improved but only to a certain point, but doesn't mather kryo i know you are slow, but if you want to believe that with hard work you will be fast one day thats cool. I don't want to take you out of your fantasy world

Alright hinduw, whatever you say champ.

:rofl:

This is why 50% of the posters in the T&N board deserve nothing less then a ban.

Personally i have seen some benefits from shadowboxing with dumbells, i wouldnt suggest using too much weight, something small like 1-3 pounds.

By the way, getting boxing advices from hinduw is like getting sex tips by the pope.

Using anything more than 3-5 pounds is useless, in my opinion. The main reason for using dumbells is to improve your shoulder endurance, which means you will be able to keep your gloves up longer when under stress. Naturally if you train with heavier items and then take them away, you will be faster.

Look at Olympic sprinters.
Look at Baseball players.
Look at really any professional athlete.

Hinduw is just to naive to understand the simple concept. :rofl:

I don't think it'd make you faster. Plyometrics probably would though, throwing a heavy ball with the punching motion.

I know weight lifting does nothing for pitching speed and that's probably a near analog for punching.

I don't think it'd make you faster. Plyometrics probably would though, throwing a heavy ball with the punching motion.

I know weight lifting does nothing for pitching speed and that's probably a near analog for punching.

It's all about how you lift weights, if you have a constructive regime, and if your coach/trainer knows what he's doing. There are many books on the matter; www.RossTraining.com is one of the most popular around here. He encorporates weights into his workout plan and he stands behind them the whole time. Manny Pacquiao, Fedor Emelianenko, Tyson, all these people used weights and are/were still faster than most, if not all.

Don't tell people weights are bad. Tell people weights must be used with instruction.

They help with other stuff, but I doubt it really matters for punching itself. You're just moving a 8-12oz object as fast as you can.

They help with other stuff, but I doubt it really matters for punching itself. You're just moving a 8-12oz object as fast as you can.

.. And as soon as you let go of the 8-12oz object, what are you left with?

That's a question of form, upper body strength won't help with that. You need a strong core and legs so you can stiffen up and not waste that energy.

Not saying it's useless, but I think the point where extra strength doesn't help is a pretty damn low level of strength, probably about what the average man can do.

That's a question of form, upper body strength won't help with that. You need a strong core and legs so you can stiffen up and not waste that energy.

So you're telling me that if you have good form and you train with added weight, nothing will come of it?

Also, squats are used religiously by many professional athletes as a way to improve there lower body/core strength.

Is this bad?

id do more research if i was u in mean time try shadowing boxing with bag or sparring gloves on becuase that puts weight all ova ya hand

No, squats sound good, I'd bet good money they improve punching power more than the bench press does.

No, squats sound good, I'd bet good money they improve punching power more than the bench press does.

I agree 100%.

I was just stating that weights aren't bad.

Yes it can be improved but only to a certain point, but doesn't mather kryo i know you are slow, but if you want to believe that with hard work you will be fast one day thats cool. I don't want to take you out of your fantasy world


you never said that originally, you siad hand speed couldn't be improved at all.

im on about speed

you never said that originally, you siad hand speed couldn't be improved at all.

I was saying being fast can't be tought, you have to have it in you and with boxing training it will come to surface. But i don't believe you need to do dumbell shadow boxing and all that stuff to become fast, just keep boxing and if you have the right genetics the speed will come naturaly.

from what I know if you want to improve speed you should get some 3-6lb balls and throw them just how you throw a punch. get 2 and do the 1-2 and toss those bad boys.

Or do what Pavlik does and hit a heavy bag with a weighted bat, really similar concept.

You can not improve hand speed at all. The effect of shadow boxing with dumbbells is the same as boxing with heavier gloves. It builds endurance and your hands are quicker for ten seconds after because you are used to throwing more power to get your shots off with the weights on your hands. Then when you adjust it goes again.

That is ludicrous improving hand speed it is something you are born with.

bull****, maybe you won't get as fast as someone at a lower weight class, but saying you can't make improvement is silly

bull****, maybe you won't get as fast as someone at a lower weight class, but saying you can't make improvement is silly

Measure handspeed. You cant. It cant be improved otherwise heavyweights would have speed but they dont. Technique, stamina, power can all be improved but hand speed can not.

One heavyweight isn't faster than another? Of course they're slower, they weigh more, but one can be faster than another.

You can not improve hand speed at all. The effect of shadow boxing with dumbbells is the same as boxing with heavier gloves. It builds endurance and your hands are quicker for ten seconds after because you are used to throwing more power to get your shots off with the weights on your hands. Then when you adjust it goes again.

That is ludicrous improving hand speed it is something you are born with.

Absolutely retarded. Please see various posts before this if you want to argue.

All depends on who you think your Created by.....

I happen to be created by God so my capabilities are endless.... lol sorry if that sounds bad to one of you.


I don't know who these other guys think they were made by.

I was just saying my opinion, im pretty fast and i never used dumbells while shadow boxing and i never train on the speed bag, all i do is just shadow box alot so i gues it has to be genetics

Dude you'r not fast at all man im sorry. I have seen you're videos. Its not genetics you're average, handspeed can become faster but to do so you must work for years. and not major weights. Shadowboxing with dumbells are fine, but just dont hurt you're self lol. And shadowboxing will most likely make you a bit stronger if done daily i dont know about speed though.

All depends on who you think your Created by.....

I happen to be created by God so my capabilities are endless.... lol sorry if that sounds bad to one of you.


I don't know who these other guys think they were made by.

I'm a product of my environment my *****.

Dude you'r not fast at all man im sorry. I have seen you're videos. Its not genetics you're average, handspeed can become faster but to do so you must work for years. and not major weights. Shadowboxing with dumbells are fine, but just dont hurt you're self lol. And shadowboxing will most likely make you a bit stronger if done daily i dont know about speed though.

thats just a bunch of crap that you posted righ there.

It is clear to know who boxes and who doesn't by those disputing hand speed could be taught.

thats just a bunch of crap that you posted righ there.

Yeah? So everything you post isn't crap and is right. If handspeed can't be increased why can it decrease? Seriously handspeed can increase and decrease. It might not be as fast as Jones Jr but it can increase.

Here is hinduw boxing:

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Look at those comments, they are tearing you apart.

LOL, "my hands are low because im a brawler,
its natural" That doesn't mean it's right. Hahahahaha.. you're absolutely TERRIBLE. I don't even know why you were posting on hand speed, you obviously can't even hit a ****ing heavy bag let a lone argue with someone about how you have "pretty fast hands" when all I see is some ****** with a dirty sanchez mustache pitty patting the bag with his hands down.

Grow up, hinduw.

It is clear to know who boxes and who doesn't by those disputing hand speed could be taught.

It is obvious your trainers don't give a **** about you if you haven't seen improvement in your handspeed.

End of story.

Here is hinduw boxing:

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Look at those comments, they are tearing you apart.

LOL, "my hands are low because im a brawler,
its natural" That doesn't mean it's right. Hahahahaha.. you're absolutely TERRIBLE. I don't even know why you were posting on hand speed, you obviously can't even hit a ****ing heavy bag let a lone argue with someone about how you have "pretty fast hands" when all I see is some ****** with a dirty sanchez mustache pitty patting the bag with his hands down.

Grow up, hinduw.

uh im not even gonna bother

It is obvious your trainers don't give a **** about you if you haven't seen improvement in your handspeed.

End of story.

My handspeed is phenomenal anyways but I'm a featherweight so its expected. Enlighten me on how you can suddenly have better hand speed. Proof would be good it always helps.

i have heard handspeed cant be taught, even if this technique is applied, what do you thin, ,i havent done it before but may start doing it depending on the feedback i get

Definately give handweights or any other type of endurance work that is directly associated with boxing technique a go. I have improved the most from this out of everything else I have done, and I believe it is to do with training my muscle memory to react in a certain way through constant repetition of the same movement. My movements have become more relaxed and natural, therefore faster. Not saying I'm fast, just saying I've improved.

But the big thing to remember is to put the time into it. Shadow boxing for a few rounds with weights every now and then might not do it. I use 1-1.5Kg or the speedball and do an insane amount of reps a couple of times a week.

I suggest trying it on one movement, like a jab and see if you get results after a few weeks. You'll know if you've improved because you can compare that to the rest of your punches.

My handspeed is phenomenal anyways but I'm a featherweight so its expected. Enlighten me on how you can suddenly have better hand speed. Proof would be good it always helps.

No one ever said it could suddenly advance, as a matter of fact, I posted the exact opposite. It comes with hard work and dedication. If you think you punch the exact same speed now as when you first walked into the gym, you either haven't improved or you have a mental problem.

I also already posted everything that I was about to type here, so I am not going to post it again. It's time for you to click back a couple pages and quote me on things you disagree with.

My handspeed is phenomenal anyways but I'm a featherweight so its expected. Enlighten me on how you can suddenly have better hand speed. Proof would be good it always helps.

it's usually the slow boxers who say speed can be tought

No one ever said it could suddenly advance, as a matter of fact, I posted the exact opposite. It comes with hard work and dedication. If you think you punch the exact same speed now as when you first walked into the gym, you either haven't improved or you have a mental problem.

I also already posted everything that I was about to type here, so I am not going to post it again. It's time for you to click back a couple pages and quote me on things you disagree with.

No proof. No points made. You got embarrassed son get to a gym before ya try to sound knowledgeable round here.

it's usually the slow boxers who say speed can be tought

Exactly. But, then again everyone on here is 240lbs and ex street fighters. I was born with the speed to dazzle my opponents they cant **** with me man they cant **** with me.

Measure handspeed. You cant. It cant be improved otherwise heavyweights would have speed but they dont. Technique, stamina, power can all be improved but hand speed can not.


What so your saying how fast I punch now is going to be that handspeed for the rest of my life?

What so your saying how fast I punch now is going to be that handspeed for the rest of my life?

it depends, how long have you been boxing?

Measure handspeed. You cant. It cant be improved otherwise heavyweights would have speed but they dont. Technique, stamina, power can all be improved but hand speed can not.

@ Hindu
5 months but been watching boxing and learning it outside the gym from friends etc for like 5 years, starting going to a gym 5 months ago.

However thats basically saying the day roy was born, he had world class hand speed... Thats not right is it? I always thought you had to train yourself to keep at a consistant handspeed at least? When I started before I understood techniques, everybody was dodging and parrying me, but now I got handspeed its changed a bit, I can get past parrys, blocks and slips.

edit: oh should of mentioned, i'm aware its impossible for the less-talented to reach Roy Jones handspeed. However Roy still had to train to get at his handspeed, I'm aware that 9/10 the person will NEVER reach his handspeed no matter how hard he trained, but that person CAN peak his handspeed, whether its a millsecond faster or whatever, it can be improved.

@ Hindu
5 months but been watching boxing and learning it outside the gym from friends etc for like 5 years, starting going to a gym 5 months ago.

However thats basically saying the day roy was born, he had world class hand speed... Thats not right is it? I always thought you had to train yourself to keep at a consistant handspeed at least? When I started before I understood techniques, everybody was dodging and parrying me, but now I got handspeed its changed a bit, I can get past parrys, blocks and slips.

edit: oh should of mentioned, i'm aware its impossible for the less-talented to reach Roy Jones handspeed. However Roy still had to train to get at his handspeed, I'm aware that 9/10 the person will NEVER reach his handspeed no matter how hard he trained, but that person CAN peak his handspeed, whether its a millsecond faster or whatever, it can be improved.

of course roy couldn't punch as fast when he started boxing, but once he learned the proper technique of punching you could see he was fast. I think if u aren't fast in the first couple of years you will never become fast. your timing and explosivnes will improve and that helps to with you being able to hit an opponent but i don't think the pure handspeed can be improved after a certain point.

My handspeed is phenomenal anyways but I'm a featherweight so its expected. Enlighten me on how you can suddenly have better hand speed. Proof would be good it always helps.

I disagree with you and... i happen to box also.. so what does that make me?

when asked "how do you punch faster?" Bruce Lee replied with a smile.... "Punch Faster"....

No proof. No points made. You got embarrassed son get to a gym before ya try to sound knowledgeable round here.

Absolutely rediculous.

There is absolutely no way you can be serious right now and if you are, join a different gym. The one you supposidely train at right now obviously isn't training you well at all.

I disagree with you and... i happen to box also.. so what does that make me?

A motherfukin' joke.

What we have hear are two ****ing idiots giving advice which does not make any sense.

Handspeed can be improved full stop, it is limited by technique and genetics. It's not unlike any other movement, to say you can't improve is pretty much saying "you can never sprint faster" or "you can never jump higher". Bull****, you do squats, calf raisers, etc. to improve these. And yes you can improve this. Otherwise why would you train conditioning? If you couldn't improve there would be no reason to put yourself through the pain of intense training. Ignorant people like you make this forum a ****ing joke half the time, arguing on points which are so clear cut it is rediculous. Things such as weighted shadow boxing and elastic rope are excellent tools to improve your handspeed so have a look into it mate. To the two idiots in here please don't type responses which mislead people looking for good advice, do some research before you post.

Listen to Salty.

A motherfukin' joke.

DA1CATAS is a respected member of the forum, anyone who has any sense listens to him, so shut the **** up and let those of us who are here to learn do so without you whining in the backround.

I've seen De La Hoya using them, small dumbells that is.. but I would have thought speed comes from the technique of punching

yeah it's a lot about technique. when I'm sparring a lighter guy I usually keep my left out further so my hand gets to him faster, cuts way down on power but it usually takes me maybe 1/3 less time to reach him. my hand not having to travel as far essentially makes it faster.

DA1CATAS is a respected member of the forum, anyone who has any sense listens to him, so shut the **** up and let those of us who are here to learn do so without you whining in the backround.

me and T.I.P. are just giving another point of view

me and T.I.P. are just giving another point of view

A wrong point of view

A wrong point of view

Talk to me when you can show any clear knowledge of the sport. Something you lack immensely. If you are arguing that it can improve speed is like saying you can improve your chin by getting hit. You can learn how to take a punch and the technique of it all but it wont get stronger. Same with handspeed it is like wearing 10oz gloves takes them off and because you trained in 10s your hands 'feel' lighter for 5 seconds until you adapt. You are talking bull**** to me boy. Quit copying everyone else and have an opinion on the subject please.

it's usually the slow boxers who say speed can be tought

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hinduw why do you think your quick, i saw your video, you cant even hit a bag or hold your hands up. You cant even punch properbly so dont give advise on improving hand speed. Judging by your video your just a begginer.

Exactly. But, then again everyone on here is 240lbs and ex street fighters. I was born with the speed to dazzle my opponents they cant **** with me man they cant **** with me.

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watch out, they cant **** with you,

Talk to me when you can show any clear knowledge of the sport. Something you lack immensely. If you are arguing that it can improve speed is like saying you can improve your chin by getting hit. You can learn how to take a punch and the technique of it all but it wont get stronger. Same with handspeed it is like wearing 10oz gloves takes them off and because you trained in 10s your hands 'feel' lighter for 5 seconds until you adapt. You are talking bull**** to me boy. Quit copying everyone else and have an opinion on the subject please.


yep you're right, you and hindu are the best boxers around.

yep you're right, you and hindu are the best boxers around.

thank you...

yep you're right, you and hindu are the best boxers around.

I know it.

when asked "how do you punch faster?" Bruce Lee replied with a smile.... "Punch Faster"....

this is really the answer my friends. punch faster and pull your hands back faster. the best training for punching faster is seriously punching faster. if you work on it for 3-6 rounds every day or every other day on the double end bag, you will get faster. i have gotten a lot faster already than when i first started going to the gym....

the secret lies is in pulling your hands back faster. even when your on the heavy bag, your hands should come back very fast. most beginners have a tendency to "push" the bag. they think a swinging bag means they are hitting like mike tyson when really it only means that their arm is out for way to long and in a fight or sparring they would have been hit already....

If you're talking about building roy jones type speed, then you're probably right, it won't happen for 99.999999999% of people on earth, but most EVERYONE can get faster than they are already, especially newbies. there is a HUUGE learning curve and deconditioned people or those fighting only a year or less can improve DRASTICALLY....

I think i made my point here, thread closed.

I think i made my point here, thread closed.

Still here?

Go shave that dirty sanchez mustache.

not really, almost every person (apart from the homie geezer) has disagreed with you.

this is really the answer my friends. punch faster and pull your hands back faster. the best training for punching faster is seriously punching faster. if you work on it for 3-6 rounds every day or every other day on the double end bag, you will get faster. i have gotten a lot faster already than when i first started going to the gym....

the secret lies is in pulling your hands back faster. even when your on the heavy bag, your hands should come back very fast. most beginners have a tendency to "push" the bag. they think a swinging bag means they are hitting like mike tyson when really it only means that their arm is out for way to long and in a fight or sparring they would have been hit already....

If you're talking about building roy jones type speed, then you're probably right, it won't happen for 99.999999999% of people on earth, but most EVERYONE can get faster than they are already, especially newbies. there is a HUUGE learning curve and deconditioned people or those fighting only a year or less can improve DRASTICALLY....
Haha you quoted yourself and elaborated on what you posted :rofl:

Haha you quoted yourself and elaborated on what you posted :rofl:

yezzirrrr.........

Talk to me when you can show any clear knowledge of the sport. Something you lack immensely. If you are arguing that it can improve speed is like saying you can improve your chin by getting hit. You can learn how to take a punch and the technique of it all but it wont get stronger. Same with handspeed it is like wearing 10oz gloves takes them off and because you trained in 10s your hands 'feel' lighter for 5 seconds until you adapt. You are talking bull**** to me boy. Quit copying everyone else and have an opinion on the subject please.

haha sure thing champ, it is not my fault you do not know how to train your body properly to achieve your goals. What's the point training for speed with 10 oz gloves on? You fight with 12's. You didn't reply to my other post about improving your vertical leap or sprint time. Why can you improve the speed of one movement but not another? Improving your chin is debatable too, neck strengthening exercises and just seeing the punches seem to improve it, but how can you test your chin unless you actually go out there and let someone clean hit you on it. I do have an opinion on the subject, I think you better get back to hitting the heavy bag instead of sharing your infinite, intricate knowledge of boxing.

^^^Where you from? Every one of my fights has been with 10oz gloves....

And geez some of you make this sound like Rocket Science. Stop fussing about hand speed and power and work on your skills. Speed and power WILL develop naturally with training but you will hit a genetic wall EVENTUALLY.

Hand speed is largely determined at birth. It has to do with percentages of each type of muscle fiber that your muscles are composed of. However, you can improve your hand speed by increasing the size and strength of the fast twitch fibers as well as improving your punching technique.

everyone is born the same you dumb ****.. dont tell me a black baby is any different to a mexican baby. they develop there attributes when they grow with exercise and diet.

haha sure thing champ, it is not my fault you do not know how to train your body properly to achieve your goals. What's the point training for speed with 10 oz gloves on? You fight with 12's. You didn't reply to my other post about improving your vertical leap or sprint time. Why can you improve the speed of one movement but not another? Improving your chin is debatable too, neck strengthening exercises and just seeing the punches seem to improve it, but how can you test your chin unless you actually go out there and let someone clean hit you on it. I do have an opinion on the subject, I think you better get back to hitting the heavy bag instead of sharing your infinite, intricate knowledge of boxing.

fight with 12's......

both my fights have been with 10's dude....all am fights are im sure

Dunno mine have been with 12's I'm pretty sure, but I live in Australia so don't know if it's different.

Edit: No you guys are right, defently 10 oz

Dunno mine have been with 12's I'm pretty sure, but I live in Australia so don't know if it's different.

Edit: No you guys are right, defently 10 oz

hey salta all amatuer bouts in australia are with 10oz gloves, youcouldnt have faught with 12oz gloves. Unless you had an exebition bout or some ****

yeah last was an exhibition