The Blueprint by Jay-Z
Food & Liquor by Lupe Fiasco
Get Rich Or Die Tryin by 50 Cent
The Minstrel Show by Little Brother
Lets Get Free by Dead Prez
The Fix by Scarface
Be by Common
Death Is Certain by Royce Da 5'9
The College Dropout by Kanye West
Stillmatic by Nas
The Documentary by Game
The Black Album by Jay-Z
The Cool by Lupe Fiasco
The Marshall Mathers LP by Eminem
Supreme Clientele by Ghostface Killah
King by T.I.
Tha Carter 2 by Lil' Wayne
Hell Hath No Fury by The Clipse
Untitled by Nas
Hip Hop Is Dead by Nas
Eardrum by Talib Kweli
American Gangster by Jay-Z
Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre (we can count this one just a couplemonth shy of 2000)
GRODT Soundtrack by 50 Cent
God's Son by Nas
The Lost Tapes by Nas

Classic/great is subjective though. But here's a small list there are some other albums worth mentioning.

The Blueprint was nuts. That album was so fresh...with the samples, beats and flows. I remember seeing Izzo on tv and just thinking damn this is hot. That to me was Jay at his ultimate height. I hope Jay can recapture that with BP3.

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"Hov is back, life story told through rap...n***** acting like i sold you crack...like I told you sell drugs..No, Hov did that so hopefulley you won't have to go through that."

Out of your list, I only agree with Marshall Mathers LP and The Blueprint. Chronic 2001 if you're lumping it into the group would make 3...

Maybe add Cage - Hell's Winter to the list and possibly Roots - Game Theory.

That's if you're talking "5 mic" albums, some of those are solid 4 mic/3-star albums like the Lupe album and Jay Z's black album

Neils, I have disagree about the black album. I sincerley believe that was a classic. And I don't call every Jay-Z album a classic.

Neils, I have disagree about the black album. I sincerley believe that was a classic. And I don't call every Jay-Z album a classic.
I think it's a solid album - the third or fourth best of his career. Blueprint & Reasonable Doubt are 1 and 2 in some order, then Black album and Vol 2 Hard Knock Life are his next best IMO

I think it's a solid album - the third or fourth best of his career. Blueprint & Reasonable Doubt are 1 and 2 in some order, then Black album and Vol 2 Hard Knock Life are his next best IMO

yeah. actually it seems most people disagree with me on this one. I did a thread a while back and the majority said they didn't think the black album was a classic. So your opinion is cool. Its not like your trying to deny Reasonable Doubt...lol

I gotta add some to that list

ghostface killah fishscale
Prodigy HNIC
Cormega The realness
Cormega The True meaning
Scarface The Fix
AZ Aziatic
Diplomatic Immunity
Jadakiss kiss the game goodbye
Camron Purple Haze
Lox We are the streets

Nothing from the 2000's can come close to cracking the top 5 all time

illmatic
only built 4 cuban linx
ironman
ready to die
reasonable doubt

I can keep going on

Paid in Full
doggystyle
The chronic
36 chambers

etc. etc. *falls asleep*

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Aziatic...I got to buy that album. G-mac gave me a copy a long ass time ago. That was a sick album.

From your list above I'd break it down to these as the "classics" imo.

Classic
Blueprint
GRODT
2001
The Fix
The Black Album
College Dropout
Marshall Mathers LP
Stillmatic

I'd also give a shout out to Late Registration and Graduation as two great albums you didn't mention.

^ so you saw the black album as classic too, sis? I just think it was too good just to be a dope album(4 mics). It opened with Decemeber 4th and closed with My 1st song. In between those were alot of classic Jay songs like Moment of Clarity, Allure etc...
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to me this is one of Jay-Z's best songs ever.

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this is jay at his best...this was pure class.

Out of all these listed I see these as the classics

Nas Stillmatic
Jay-z The Blueprint
Ghostface Supreme Clientele
Ghostface Fishscale
Lil Wayne The Carter 2
Nas Hip hop is dead
Prodigy HNIC
Cormega The realness
AZ Aziatic

Most of the other albums are very good cd's...not far at all from being classics. This would include Nas-Gods son and lost tapes, jay-z-black album, scarface-the fix, Lupe-Food and Liquor, Diplomatic Immunity, Lox-We are the streets, jada-kiss the game goodbye...and a couple more

Out of all these listed I see these as the classics

Nas Stillmatic
Jay-z The Blueprint
Ghostface Supreme Clientele
Ghostface Fishscale
Lil Wayne The Carter 2
Nas Hip hop is dead
Prodigy HNIC
Cormega The realness
AZ Aziatic

Most of the other albums are very good cd's...not far at all from being classics. This would include Nas-Gods son and lost tapes, jay-z-black album, scarface-the fix, Lupe-Food and Liquor, Diplomatic Immunity, Lox-We are the streets, jada-kiss the game goodbye...and a couple more

Damn I forgot about this. I love the 2000's.

I think people just look at the the commercial side and judge and says it's not the same. But as you see for yourself there is plenty of great music.

Classic is debateable because people just have far different tastes.

co-sign

At the same time there are some cd's that i think a large percentage of us would agree that they're not classics....like the Carter 3. I like lil wayne and he tried to be creative with songs like Dr. Carter but hes just not good enough lyrically at this point to drop a classic.

I love diplomatic immunity....cam and the diplomats made great commercial music. I think they were the best at that. They made so many good songs. And i used to not like alotta commercial stuff. People underrate the diplomats saying they cant rap but the more i listen to them...they made some deep music and some great music to chill to. They got at it from every angle.

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Camron killed that verse in ground zero. So many say he cant rap...i used to think he was one of the worst rappers. Hes rhyming 4 and 5 syllables from one line to the next...i cant ask for anymore.


"chill while im chasin millions
Im a balla that will murk you like Jason williams"

I agree with most.

I'd go far as saying The Documentary is a classic. I loved that album, used to listen to that album everyday before I go to sleep.

I agree with most.

I'd go far as saying The Documentary is a classic. I loved that album, used to listen to that album everyday before I go to sleep.

Agreed, not one track on there I would skip.

GRODT soundtrack sucked though.

The Documentary was a classic.

I think the documentary is very close to being a classic but im not sure if its worthy of that title. Theres only 2 songs i skip on the album...ill have to get back to yall on this. I consider Common-Be to be right there with the documentary as borderline classic.

A couple albums i didnt mention that are all 4.5/5 in my opinion are ghostface-the big doe rehab, jay-z american gangster, and busta rhymes-the big bang.

what about in my lifetime vol. 1 by Jay? thats a tough one...I've considered it a classic. But this one is very questionable because i know many say vol. 2 was better.

**i know this came up in 97...but since were talkin classics I wanted to bring it up.**



**I actually agree with you American Gangster. I know at first I said it was a classic, but I think that was going too far looking back at it.*** It was good though. I agree with your rating.

what about in my lifetime vol. 1 by Jay? thats a tough one...I've considered it a classic. But this one is very questionable because i know many say vol. 2 was better.

**i know this came up in 97...but since were talkin classics I wanted to bring it up.**



**I actually agree with you American Gangster. I know at first I said it was a classic, but I think that was going too far looking back at it.*** It was good though. I agree with your rating.

All the volumes were okay. Not classic in my opinion. I think Jay really struggled to appeal to both sides. He focused too much on party ish. Now there was some good content on some of the albums. But not consistently to be considered great in my opinion.

All the volumes were okay. Not classic in my opinion. I think Jay really struggled to appeal to both sides. He focused too much on party ish. Now there was some good content on some of the albums. But not consistently to be considered great in my opinion.

fair enough. I personally think volume 1 and the black album were classics. We'll have to agree to disagree like Larry Merchant says. :)

fair enough. I personally think volume 1 and the black album were classics. We'll have to agree to disagree like Larry Merchant says. :)
I think Volume 1 was solid but not classic. Their were a few tracks I could have done without, but I agree Black Album is a classic album.

I think Volume 1 was solid but not classic. Their were a few tracks I could have done without, but I agree Black Album is a classic album.

yeah its a close call for me. i've tried to think the black album wasn't a classic and i couldn't. I just don't hear it as not one...I hear a classic rap album.

This is how i got them rated

Classics
RD (top 10 all time, many say top 5)
Blueprint (helped change the game, top 5 of the 2k's)
In My lifetime vol 1 (How can it not be a classic?)

4.5/5
Black Album
American Gangster

4/5
Life and times Vol. 3

3.5/5
Hard knock life vol.2 (I dont count this against jay-z...only 3 songs didnt have guest appearances)
Dynasty (Has some great songs but its kind of like HKL with the guest app)
Blueprint 2 (I like this one better then i used to but i've never been a fan of double cd's)

3/5
Kingdom Come (Had about 6 or 7 songs i liked)

I'd say thats a very fair rating you gave. I actually agree with those ratings besides...you know how I feel about the black album. lol :D I'm a black album stan.

yeah dynasty wasn't really a solo album, more like a Rocafella album. Jay was on the cover to sell it, but it was a callab album. I also agree with you about BP2, it grew on me( I actually realized I slept on it for a while, until I listened to it through)...but I think one cd is enough.

Its all good....I strongly believe jay-z has dropped 3 classics and hes never dropped a wack album. Im not hating on you considering the black album a classic...i have no problem with that opinion. Thats respectable. I said in another thread that i wouldnt be able to respect someone calling the Carter 3 a classic just because lil wayne is not good enough lyrically. The Carter 2 on the other hand fits right into this thread...a classic made in the 2000's.

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This is how i got them rated

Classics
RD (top 10 all time, many say top 5)
Blueprint (helped change the game, top 5 of the 2k's)
In My lifetime vol 1 (How can it not be a classic?)

4.5/5
Black Album
American Gangster

4/5
Life and times Vol. 3

3.5/5
Hard knock life vol.2 (I dont count this against jay-z...only 3 songs didnt have guest appearances)
Dynasty (Has some great songs but its kind of like HKL with the guest app)
Blueprint 2 (I like this one better then i used to but i've never been a fan of double cd's)

3/5
Kingdom Come (Had about 6 or 7 songs i liked)


Volume 1 isnt a classic IMO because it had "I Know What Girls Like", and "Sunshine"... I hated both of those songs. Other than those 2 , its a great great album.

Its all good....I strongly believe jay-z has dropped 3 classics and hes never dropped a wack album. Im not hating on you considering the black album a classic...i have no problem with that opinion. Thats respectable.

yeah its not like I'm saying volume 3 was a classic...lol. That would be bad...volume 3 was good but not a classic.

I have no problem with you not thinking the black album is a classic, I notice alot of people don't rate it as one. And like I said other than that I agreed with your ratings...they seemed accurate to me.

Volume 1 isnt a classic IMO because it had "I Know What Girls Like", and "Sunshine"... I hated both of those songs. Other than those 2 , its a great great album.

I can understand you not thinking Vol. 1 was a classic...its kind of an outlaw opinion. Its not like everyone believes that...its close for me. It depends on how you determine classics...everyone has their guidelines.

The Blueprint by Jay-Z
Food & Liquor by Lupe Fiasco
Get Rich Or Die Tryin by 50 Cent
The Minstrel Show by Little Brother
Lets Get Free by Dead Prez
The Fix by Scarface
Be by Common
Death Is Certain by Royce Da 5'9
The College Dropout by Kanye West
Stillmatic by Nas
The Documentary by Game
The Black Album by Jay-Z
The Cool by Lupe Fiasco
The Marshall Mathers LP by Eminem
Supreme Clientele by Ghostface Killah
King by T.I.
Tha Carter 2 by Lil' Wayne
Hell Hath No Fury by The Clipse
Untitled by Nas
Hip Hop Is Dead by Nas
Eardrum by Talib Kweli
American Gangster by Jay-Z
Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre (we can count this one just a couplemonth shy of 2000)
GRODT Soundtrack by 50 Cent
God's Son by Nas
The Lost Tapes by Nas

Agreed on a lot of these. I'd add The Grind Date, The Minstrel Show, and Like Water Like Chocolate.

Oh yeah Graduation is a great album too, imo.

Agreed on a lot of these. I'd add The Grind Date, The Minstrel Show, and Like Water Like Chocolate.

Oh yeah Graduation is a great album too, imo.

Minstrel SHow is in the list somehwere at the top. I cosign Like Water for Chocolate. And yeah Graduation was ill. Not sure if others feel this way but Kanye did it again in my opinion.

I'd like to add lefhooktodabody's The Revelution to the list of classics...

Masta Ace - Disposable Arts (2001)
Cormega - The Realness (2001)
Vakill - The Darkest Cloud (2003)
Canibus - Rip The Jacker (2003)
Murs - 3:16 (The 9th Edition) (2004)

all undisputed classics that haven't been mentioned yet...:wtf1:

I think Kanye's late registration should be mentioned if hasn't been...

Bump..............

since hip hop calls anything a classic, Kurupt album, Tha Streetz is a west coast hip hop classic

Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein (2001)

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EL-P - Fantastic Damage (2002)

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Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow (2002)

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Deltron 3030 (2000)

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Blu & Exile - Below the Heavens
Kanye West - College Dropout
Outkast - Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
Binary Star - Masters of The Universe
Common Sense - Like Water For Chocolate
Masta Ace - Disposable Arts
Little Brother - The Minstrel Show
J Dilla - The Shining
The Roots - The Tipping Point
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein (2001)

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EL-P - Fantastic Damage (2002)

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Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow (2002)

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Deltron 3030 (2000)

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I own the last two and yes they deserve recognition. The first two I've never heard.

I own the last two and yes they deserve recognition. The first two I've never heard.

Listen to them if you can. They can sound VERY dense and difficult the first few times around but they are indeed classics.

The word "classic" gets thrown around too much these days.

I don't know I jus wasn't feeling Lupe's The Cool. I prefer more political Lupe and his mixtapes. The Cool felt too mainstream to me at least. Dumb it Down was nice tho and a few other tracks.

Kweli dropped a gem of an album with Ear Drum.

Kweli dropped a gem of an album with Ear Drum.

not a classic though...

and El Gallo Negro
i agree. the word classic is thrown around too much. just because an album was really really good it doesn't make it a classic. i feel like a lot of people are kind of just naming off their favorite albums. just because you really enjoyed it that doesn't make it a classic.

come on people!:tragedy:

not a classic though...

and El Gallo Negro
i agree. the word classic is thrown around too much. just because an album was really really good it doesn't make it a classic. i feel like a lot of people are kind of just naming off their favorite albums. just because you really enjoyed it that doesn't make it a classic.

come on people!:tragedy:

I only posted classics, Meg;)

EDIT: I'm gonna go ahead and add this to my list aswell.

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The title is great/classic. And all of it is subjective so you can't tell someone what is and what's not a classic. You can only state your opinion. My suggestions are all opinion based. Ear Drum was great overall. There are plenty of heart conscious songs and great lyrics with meaning.

Classic Albums:

J Dilla - The Shining
AZ - AWOL
People Under The Stairs - O.S.T.
Blu & Exile - Below The Heavens
Binary Star - Masters of the Universe
Talib Kweli - Reflection Eternal: Train of Thought
All Natural - Second Nature
Vakill - Worst Fears Confirmed
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
Slum Village - Fantastic, Vol. 2

Great Albums:

Cee-Lo - ...Is the Soul Machine
Devin The Dude - Waiting to Inhale
Black Milk - Popular Demand
UGK - Underground Kingz
Tech N9ne - Everready (The Religion)
De La Soul - AOI: Mosaic Thump
The Roots - Game Theory
Murs - 3:16 (The 9th Edition)
Twista - Kamikaze
Madvillain - Madvillainy

Those are two tiers of albums in my opinion.

Some of My favourite releases (not necessary classics) from 2000 include:

Stankonia - OutKast
Supreme Clientele - Ghostface Killah
Masters of the Universe - Binary Star
The Marshall Mathers LP - Eminem
Quality Control - Jurassic 5
Let's Get Free - Dead Prez
Stillmatic - Nas
The Realness - Cormega
Disposable Arts - Masta Ace
Iron Flag/W - Wu-Tang Clan
Will Rap for Food - CunninLynguists
Expansion Team - Dilated Peoples
Phrenology - The Roots
God's Son - Nas
Blazing Arrow - Blackalicious
Quality - Talib Kweli
The Fix - Scarface
Power in Numbers - Jurassic 5
Speakerboxxx / The Love Below - OutKast
Southernunderground - CunninLynguists
Boy in da Corner - Dizzee Rascal
Maths + English - Dizzee Rascal
Madvillainy - Madvillain
No Said Date - Masta Killa
Made In Brooklyn - Masta Killa
A Long Hot Summer - Masta Ace
Connected - The Foreign Exchange
Late Registration - Kanye West
Be - Common
S.O.N.O.G.R.A.M. - One Be Lo
The Mouse and the Mask - DANGERDOOM
A.W.O.L. - AZ
Reloaded - Smif-N-Wessun
Fishscale - Ghostface Killah
Game Theory - The Roots
Hell Hath No Fury - Clipse
A Piece of Strange - CunninLynguist
A Heap of Broken Images - Blue Sky Black Death
Desire - Pharoahe Monch
Dirty Acres - CunninLynguists
The Offering - Killah Priest
Original Pirate Material - Streets
Ear Drum - Talib Kweli


I've probably missed some obvious ones off, but flicking through my collection, these ones i remember coming out since 2000.

not a classic though...

and El Gallo Negro
i agree. the word classic is thrown around too much. just because an album was really really good it doesn't make it a classic. i feel like a lot of people are kind of just naming off their favorite albums. just because you really enjoyed it that doesn't make it a classic.

come on people!:tragedy:

Yeah, but like Lefty said, there really isn't an objective way to go about naming classic albums. Some are so great that everybody pretty much agrees on them.

I'd argue that Speakerboxx/Love Below, Tipping Point and Minstrel Show aren't classics from your list alone. Yeah they are great albums, but you wouldn't go to those albums immediately to represent the artist's best work. A lot of people think The Listening was Little Brother's best work. I actually tend to prefer MS, but I know some people well versed in hip hop who will take it to the grave that 'Listening' was better. Stankonia was more representative of Outkast IMO. Speakerboxx/Love Below was too few and far between with the quality tracks. Certainly not a better double album than Underground Kingz. The Tipping Point was a nice release, but no greater or more influential than Game Theory or Rising Down.

Out of your list, I only agree with Marshall Mathers LP and The Blueprint. Chronic 2001 if you're lumping it into the group would make 3...

Maybe add Cage - Hell's Winter to the list and possibly Roots - Game Theory.

That's if you're talking "5 mic" albums, some of those are solid 4 mic/3-star albums like the Lupe album and Jay Z's black album

Stillmatic = 5 mics

Yeah, but like Lefty said, there really isn't an objective way to go about naming classic albums. Some are so great that everybody pretty much agrees on them.

I'd argue that Speakerboxx/Love Below, Tipping Point and Minstrel Show aren't classics from your list alone. Yeah they are great albums, but you wouldn't go to those albums immediately to represent the artist's best work. A lot of people think The Listening was Little Brother's best work. I actually tend to prefer MS, but I know some people well versed in hip hop who will take it to the grave that 'Listening' was better. Stankonia was more representative of Outkast IMO. Speakerboxx/Love Below was too few and far between with the quality tracks. Certainly not a better double album than Underground Kingz. The Tipping Point was a nice release, but no greater or more influential than Game Theory or Rising Down.

I completely understand where you're coming from in regards to your argument on Speakerboxx/The Love Below. i consider it to be a classic because of it's originality and creativity. it was the first of it's kind on a number of levels. Outkast is my favorite duo, and although it is by no means my favorite Outkast album, i view it as being somewhat of a landmark in recent hip hop history.

I completely understand where you're coming from in regards to your argument on Speakerboxx/The Love Below. i consider it to be a classic because of it's originality and creativity. it was the first of it's kind on a number of levels. Outkast is my favorite duo, and although it is by no means my favorite Outkast album, i view it as being somewhat of a landmark in recent hip hop history.

outkast bias!! boooo!

outkast bias!! boooo!

no!
maybe...


no!

no!
maybe...


no!

jk, i also love outkast but i havent heard speakerbox so i have no opinion on it

Classic Albums:

J Dilla - The Shining
AZ - AWOL
People Under The Stairs - O.S.T.
Blu & Exile - Below The Heavens
Binary Star - Masters of the Universe
Talib Kweli - Reflection Eternal: Train of Thought
All Natural - Second Nature
Vakill - Worst Fears Confirmed
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
Slum Village - Fantastic, Vol. 2

Great Albums:

Cee-Lo - ...Is the Soul Machine
Devin The Dude - Waiting to Inhale
Black Milk - Popular Demand
UGK - Underground Kingz
Tech N9ne - Everready (The Religion)
De La Soul - AOI: Mosaic Thump
The Roots - Game Theory
Murs - 3:16 (The 9th Edition)
Twista - Kamikaze
Madvillain - Madvillainy

Those are two tiers of albums in my opinion.

That's in the wrong section guy...

That's in the wrong section guy...

What you thought that was a classic pal?

What you thought that was a classic pal?

**** yeah i did, but that's just my opinion. i think i'll make a thread for it and see where it stands with other people.

**** yeah i did, but that's just my opinion. i think i'll make a thread for it and see where it stands with other people.

Definitely a nice album. I wouldn't call it a classic, but I couldn't really point out anything really wrong with it. I guess it didn't have any tracks that really blew me away. "And This Is For", "3:16" and "Freak These Tales" were probably my favorite tracks. Bad Man too.

Definitely a nice album. I wouldn't call it a classic, but I couldn't really point out anything really wrong with it. I guess it didn't have any tracks that really blew me away. "And This Is For", "3:16" and "Freak These Tales" were probably my favorite tracks. Bad Man too.

Yeah, when you look at it that way I can see how you wouldn't call it a classic, maybe it's just personal preference because to me it's got so many banger's on it, and not a single bad track.

Post in the new thread I made on it.