View Full Version : Which one of these welterweights had a harder punch?
Boogie Nights 08-20-2008, 07:22 PM Pipino Cuevas
Thomas hearns
Mark Breland
Ray Robinson
felix trinidad
they all had great power, but if you had to pick one, not minding the boxing skill or ability, who would you rank just in terms of over all power, and why?
for me it's a tie between hearns and cuevas
Thomas because he obliterated welterweights in his path, and carried his power into higher weight divisions.
Cuevas because he busted people's eye sockets, smashed jaws, and broke ribs. But he has also tasted Hearns' right hand
what say you?
Steak 08-20-2008, 08:18 PM Hearns by far. the guy was still considered a big puncher at Light Heavyweight
cotto16 08-20-2008, 08:21 PM Trinidad/Hearns
marciano1952 08-20-2008, 08:29 PM hearnes by far
Fullmer wasnt a welter
slicksouthpaw16 08-20-2008, 08:53 PM Hearns followed by Robinson. I don't think Hearns gets the credit he deserves. He could box and force the fight as well and was excelllent at cutting off the ring against fighters that tried to move on him. This is the most beautiful knockout that i have ever seen Hearns score at welterweight against a world class opponent. Look at that pretty right hand as he holds Cuevas's face with his left. He picks his spots carefully and slowy broke Cuevas down and stopped in two rounds.
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Lenny McLean 08-20-2008, 08:57 PM Robinson and Hearns. **** glass chinned Tito, the **** avoided a pasting from Mosley and denied him his greatness in his prime as did Quartey and the other bums before THAT Forrest fight.
slicksouthpaw16 08-20-2008, 09:00 PM Robinson and Hearns. **** glass chinned Tito, the **** avoided a pasting from Mosley and denied him his greatness in his prime as did Quartey and the other bums before THAT Forrest fight.
Trinidad has a good chin, he was just one of those fighters that gets knocked down often but was not seriously hurt. Thats called being chinny. Knocking Trinidad down was actually a wake up call. Thats when he really started going and heat up.
You mention the people that you claim he avoided, but don't talk about the fighters that he did fight. Trinidad has never avoided anyone. He went up past his weight class he beat world clas fighters in their divisions like Vargas, Joppy, Reid ect.
Boogie Nights 08-20-2008, 09:45 PM well as expected, Hearns is a popular choice here. He proved his power and greatness, but not even one mention of Cuevas?
like i said before, for me it's a split. But Cuevas was a monster too and is really underated. he shouldnt be left in a cold
Started at a young age, like most mexicans do, still a kid at 14. knocked out every tough guy that was put in front of him. had 11 overall title defenses.
cuevas is not great, but his punch was. i think he should get a nod
i heard stories about him really busting bigger guys in sparring. One reliable source told me that one heavyweight in particular refused to spar with Cuevas, and that guy sparred with Foreman
cuevas's punching power is no hype or joke
MANGLER 08-20-2008, 09:50 PM Hearns. One of the most devastatin WW's ever.
Steak 08-21-2008, 12:32 PM you make a good point about Cuevas's power...the guy was well known for breaking jaws and slicing up faces. hes often overlooked, and is often seen as 'that guy who got KOed so bad by Hearns', but thats not fair at all. He is at the very least the equivilant of what Margarito is today, at least as good.
but still, even if Cuevas COULD have hit Duran cleanly, I dont think even he could have KOed him like Hearns did...when I think about power, I think about knockout power more than anything, and Hearns had tons of it.
the problem with Cuevas is that its hard to imagine him hitting certain fighters cleanly at all...and so that throws you off when you try to gauge how good his power was compared to others.
insane power though. I imagine not many people wanted to fight him.
TheGreatA 08-21-2008, 02:11 PM Cuevas basically made his career with that left hook. Hearns did destroy Cuevas with the right hand but Cuevas' left hook shouldn't be forgotten about, it was certainly the most feared punch in his time (until Hearns).
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Young Cuevas shocks welterweight champion Angel Espada
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sugarshanenas 08-21-2008, 03:27 PM Hearns then SRR
Pipino Cuevas
Thomas hearns
Mark Breland
Ray Robinson
felix trinidad
I'll never know for sure, thank god, but I'd say Breland and Hearns, if you let them take a good clean shot.
Hagler★ 08-21-2008, 06:37 PM id say hearns he had some devestating ko's but bear in mind many people are judging it on his ko of duran but that came at junior middle not welter
Silencers 08-21-2008, 11:02 PM I think it was Hearns, he had some serious punching power.
KostyaTszyu44 08-22-2008, 07:22 PM hearns easily..he was still knocking guys out at cruiserweight....
them_apples 08-22-2008, 07:25 PM I'd say Hearns and trinidad
McGoorty 08-11-2011, 09:09 PM Pipino Cuevas
Thomas hearns
Mark Breland
Ray Robinson
felix trinidad
they all had great power, but if you had to pick one, not minding the boxing skill or ability, who would you rank just in terms of over all power, and why?
for me it's a tie between hearns and cuevas
Thomas because he obliterated welterweights in his path, and carried his power into higher weight divisions.
Cuevas because he busted people's eye sockets, smashed jaws, and broke ribs. But he has also tasted Hearns' right hand
what say you?
Hearns, but not by much,.... SRR was better at nailing his,.... more KO's too..
The_Demon 08-11-2011, 09:16 PM Purely based on power? Id have too say Cuevas,but Hearns was a better all round puncher,and SRR is the best puncher on the list imo (if that makes sense)
jabsRstiff 08-12-2011, 07:01 AM Hearns' right hand may have been the single greatest punch in boxing history, so I'll give him the nod.
2nd is Cuevas, who I have always thought was 2nd only to George Foreman when it came to pure heavy-handedness. Pipino was one of those guys who seemed to have bricks in both hands, especially the left.
mhager91490 08-12-2011, 08:47 AM If you're asking who's more likely to knock down a brick wall with a punch I'd have to say Cuevas, Hearns had great, great power but it came with his delivery while Cuevas had a more raw kind of power.
jabsRstiff 08-12-2011, 09:02 AM Hearns and Joe Louis
Cuevas and George Foreman
You put a brick wall in front of the first two, and they will punch a clean hole right through. The second two will hit the wall and knock the whole thing over.
The_Demon 08-12-2011, 09:17 AM Hearns and Joe Louis
Cuevas and George Foreman
You put a brick wall in front of the first two, and they will punch a clean hole right through. The second two will hit the wall and knock the whole thing over.
Well said you put it much better than me
The Surgeon 08-12-2011, 11:31 AM They can all bang at the highest of levels for sure and they have among them different types of power and different signature punches but when i look at that line up and think what Single shot from which guy would i LEAST like to take flush its The Tommy Hearns Right Hand - Boom! U OUT! :boxing:
them_apples 08-12-2011, 01:35 PM you make a good point about Cuevas's power...the guy was well known for breaking jaws and slicing up faces. hes often overlooked, and is often seen as 'that guy who got KOed so bad by Hearns', but thats not fair at all. He is at the very least the equivilant of what Margarito is today, at least as good.
but still, even if Cuevas COULD have hit Duran cleanly, I dont think even he could have KOed him like Hearns did...when I think about power, I think about knockout power more than anything, and Hearns had tons of it.
the problem with Cuevas is that its hard to imagine him hitting certain fighters cleanly at all...and so that throws you off when you try to gauge how good his power was compared to others.
insane power though. I imagine not many people wanted to fight him.
Cuevas isn't as good as Margarito. He hits harder sure, but he didn't have much skill. Margarito has plenty of skill just **** poor defense. Margarito is also a huge welterweight at 5'11 and big framed as well. Just look at their resumes.
I agree though, cuevas hit hella hard. I remember the Canadian welterweight clyde grey saying he hit harder than Hearns.
New England 08-12-2011, 07:11 PM Cuevas isn't as good as Margarito. He hits harder sure, but he didn't have much skill. Margarito has plenty of skill just **** poor defense. Margarito is also a huge welterweight at 5'11 and big framed as well. Just look at their resumes.
I agree though, cuevas hit hella hard. I remember the Canadian welterweight clyde grey saying he hit harder than Hearns.
:haha::haha::haha:
Terry A 08-17-2011, 01:50 PM I believe Cuevas was the hardest puncher of that group. He broke jaws, eye sockets & speed bags.
joseph5620 08-17-2011, 02:04 PM Cuevas isn't as good as Margarito. He hits harder sure, but he didn't have much skill. Margarito has plenty of skill just **** poor defense. Margarito is also a huge welterweight at 5'11 and big framed as well. Just look at their resumes.
I agree though, cuevas hit hella hard. I remember the Canadian welterweight clyde grey saying he hit harder than Hearns.
Cuevas was a better fighter than Margarito and you can't even compare the two in terms of accomplishments at 147. Cuevas is superior by a long shot. I don't know where you're getting that Margarito has the better resume.
poet682006 08-17-2011, 02:44 PM Margacheato without loaded gloves = Journeyman.
New England 08-17-2011, 05:48 PM Margacheato without loaded gloves = Journeyman.
cuevas with loaded gloves = life changing head trauma
and liver failure
poet682006 08-17-2011, 07:13 PM cuevas with loaded gloves = life changing head trauma
and liver failure
No sh1t: Just give him gun and let him do the job cleanly :chuckle9:
Poet
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