Eating every 4 hours....

EVERY 4 HOURS... it works.. I actually lost weight each day eating what i wanted but every 4 hours... And that was without running and training.


Just wanted to let everyone who wasn't sure about that or starving themselves or running ridiculously or dehydrating till the point of failure.


eating every 4 hours works... yea i saw a bunch of guys posting it... but i never tried it...

just wanted to post this for some guys who might have been like me.

but what did you excatly eat? that might have something to do with it as well?

but what did you excatly eat? that might have something to do with it as well?

2 slices pizza and coffe for breakfast...9:30 ....1 slice pizza and chicken with ranch sauce (1 chicken) 1:30......... Sweet potato (with butter so it tastes like pie lol.) and chiekn at 5 pm..... same thing again at 9pm and some banana split ice cream b4 bed.

went to bed pound under what I woke up, with absolutely no training..

With training today I lost like 4.

I have always lost weight easily when about to fight.. but this was ridiculous... I was eating all the time whateva I wanted 4 hours isn't that long to wait at all.. especially if you sleep and do some stuff .. its great.

I'll never have a weight problem again with this.


will make a video if someone wants some proof or sumthin. People on here have been saying this for the longest.. i just never tried or believed.. thought I would just keep gaining.. But man .. its great.


Now I'm going to start throwing in FRUITS for some meals.. I can only imagine how much i will lose.

Im going to try this for a week starting tomorrow ill post my results when the week is up.

Wow, man, I should try this. It's gonna be hard since I eat pretty much what I want every single hour.

Question is why weren't you training :spankme:

Question is why weren't you training :spankme:

Well i started saturday... and i sometimes take saturdays off...this saturday happened to be one of those days...

Hey fellas, what's up. I am a serious advocate of this way of dieting. The reason why you actually lose weight OR you do not budge from your current weight is due to the fact that you are jumpstarting your metabolism. If you constantly train your body to eat every six hours AND the food intake is less than optimal (fatty foods, etc.) you will gain weight due to the fact that your body is tricked into the fact that it will not eat for 6 hours. Now, your body is now forced to "think" that it will fast for 6 hours or more. This in turn will store carbs which are basically glycogen (sugars) and lipids (fats) excessively because the body "thinks" that it won't eat for a prolonged period of time. When you eat every 3 to 4 hours your body changes this fact and actually starts digesting food much faster (go to the bathroom more) and start absorbing nutrients more efficiently because your body realises that it needs to make space for the certain food to come in 3 to 4 hours. It has no time to store glycogen or lipids. It needs to breakdown and absorb as fast as possible. Haven't you ever wondered why skinny people eat all the time and never get big? (obviously can't be horrible food). It's due to the fact that they're body's metabolism is engaging much more quicker and much more efficiently. I hope this clarifies the situation up a bit. So yes, this form of dieting works both practially and on paper. I'm sure you can find medical articles on this subject online with a much more refined answer. Good luck and enjoy your new found weight loss plan which is based on scientific/medical fact. It is not just a fad but a biological truth. later fellas and good luck!

-Ace

How long does this start to take effect? As far as your metabolism recognizing the higher, more frequent input of food in your diet?

While working your metabolism on a 3-4 hour basis is probably better than having 2-3 big meals daily, you still need to realize that if you eat more calories than you expend, you will gain weight.

Who woulda thought I'd actually learn something from Training & Nutrition on boxingscene lol.. but anyway:spankme:


Hey fellas, what's up. I am a serious advocate of this way of dieting. The reason why you actually lose weight OR you do not budge from your current weight is due to the fact that you are jumpstarting your metabolism. If you constantly train your body to eat every six hours AND the food intake is less than optimal (fatty foods, etc.) you will gain weight due to the fact that your body is tricked into the fact that it will not eat for 6 hours. Now, your body is now forced to "think" that it will fast for 6 hours or more. This in turn will store carbs which are basically glycogen (sugars) and lipids (fats) excessively because the body "thinks" that it won't eat for a prolonged period of time. When you eat every 3 to 4 hours your body changes this fact and actually starts digesting food much faster (go to the bathroom more) and start absorbing nutrients more efficiently because your body realises that it needs to make space for the certain food to come in 3 to 4 hours. It has no time to store glycogen or lipids. It needs to breakdown and absorb as fast as possible. Haven't you ever wondered why skinny people eat all the time and never get big? (obviously can't be horrible food). It's due to the fact that they're body's metabolism is engaging much more quicker and much more efficiently. I hope this clarifies the situation up a bit. So yes, this form of dieting works both practially and on paper. I'm sure you can find medical articles on this subject online with a much more refined answer. Good luck and enjoy your new found weight loss plan which is based on scientific/medical fact. It is not just a fad but a biological truth. later fellas and good luck!

-Ace

YEA going to the bathroom more only took the 2 days I was on it.... Man anything else you think is good? I'mma try everything now.

While working your metabolism on a 3-4 hour basis is probably better than having 2-3 big meals daily, you still need to realize that if you eat more calories than you expend, you will gain weight.

Yea... well I knew that it had to be somewhat healthy....

Thats how I started eating when I first started training. I kept working up a killer appetite and I pretty much have to eat SOMETHING every few hours, whether it be a few glasses of milk, tuna or a full meal. If you do some training in the morning (kick start your metabolism) and again at night, you'll almost always be craving food and eating frequently almost becomes a necessity.

Two things:

1. your digestive system burns more calories than anything else in your body. Think of your stomach as a kiln, you need to constantly keep the fire in the kiln hot. The hotter it burns for the longer the more energy expended.

2. This is a great way to lose weight but MOST people will not lose weight by eating alot of pizza and ranch etc...

LOL

chalk it up to a mesomorphic metabolism

eating often is a great way to eat but i also wouldnt reccommend a diet of pizza and ice cream to most of us that arent genetically blessed

what's up!
yea, you definitely must eat healthy foods to see a noticeable difference. Da1catas. I'm sure you've been around the game for a while so I know you must have some knowledge on healthy eating habits. The thing is you don't have to eat a meal; albeit a healthy meal, but you don't have to eat an entire meal every 3 hours. Let's say a can of tuna, or nuts (good fats, protein) etc. is perfect. (think healthy snack!) That way you actually eat raw foods that are very fibrous which will in turn send you to the bathroom more frequently. Why I am emphasing going to the bathroom more frequently is because lipids (fats) are mostly absorbed in the intestines. Think about it. If you go to the bathroom more often you get rid of unwanted waste due to the high fibrous content in the foods you are eating. For example Nuts, greens, etc. A diet high in fiber definitely helps reduce fat and burn more fat based on the intestinal fact that I mentioned before. Think about it, if lipids are mostly absorbed in the intestines and you have a highly fibrous diet then the excessive lipids not needed get pushed out of the system and you just intake what the body actually needs. A perfect example is a vegetarian. Greens, nuts and everything else in the vegetarian's diet is very fibrous that's why if you've noticed vegetarians are usually skinny or thin it is physically impossible to be fat when you're a vegatarian unless your glycogen intake is off the wall and you don't have any physical activity which in turn will cause you to have an excess glycogen storage tank and lipids tanks for energy which is not good if you're not doing any physical activity to burn the sugars and fats in your system. Hope this helps. Ez
-Ace

One more thing that i forgot to mention is a cheat meal. What you basically do is eat healthy all week and pick one day out of the week preferably on a day off (no workouts) to eat what you want (not pigging out, but a sensible portion of food be it pizza, ice cream, burgers, etc.). This is beneficial in the sense that your metabolism won't plateau. Just like when you workout you may reach a plateau and not budge even though you're doing everything correctly. The same principle applies to eating. Eat healthy and have one cheat meal a week that way your body never plateau's and is constantly on it's toes. Good luck.
-Ace

just wanted to add to this thread that its completely unfair that you got ripped like that eating pizza and ice cream

just wanted to add to this thread that its completely unfair that you got ripped like that eating pizza and ice cream

He didn't get ripped like that eating pizza and ice cream.

Damn, Im geeked, I was tryna figure out how to drop some more weight. Currently at 156. Tryna get down to 152. The weight just wont move, I dont know if this will work but hell its worth a try. Appreciate the tip fellas.

Damn, Im geeked, I was tryna figure out how to drop some more weight. Currently at 156. Tryna get down to 152. The weight just wont move, I dont know if this will work but hell its worth a try. Appreciate the tip fellas.

Stop eating sugar and salt. Eat fruits if you want a snack. Don't fry your meat - only steam, boil, or roast it in the oven with no oil. Run more and train harder and it will come off.

just wanted to add to this thread that its completely unfair that you got ripped like that eating pizza and ice cream

Well I dont do that EVERY day.....

I do have a weakness for wendy's and burger king though... but its just the shakes and i figure those go through you very quickly....plus its basically liquids.

But yea i dont finish every night with icecream... i might tonight now that you mentioned it...

And I'm gonna buy some nuts and tuna fish... I'm so hyped about this diet man.. its great.... I can feel my stomach gettin smaller... I'm keeping my size.. i don't feel weak.. and im eating all the time...

This is GREAt..


EVERYONe should get on this type of diet if they are boxing..try it for a week and see how great it is... :) I seriously suggest to atleast try it for a week.:boxing::luvbed:<---me and the diet.

I think what you eat and how many overall calories you take in (in relation to how much exercise you do in a day) determines if you lose weight, alot more than whether you eat 6 small meals a day or 3 large meals.

While working your metabolism on a 3-4 hour basis is probably better than having 2-3 big meals daily, you still need to realize that if you eat more calories than you expend, you will gain weight.

after my last post i see you already made a similar point!

Eating every 4 hours....

EVERY 4 HOURS... it works.. I actually lost weight each day eating what i wanted but every 4 hours... And that was without running and training.


Just wanted to let everyone who wasn't sure about that or starving themselves or running ridiculously or dehydrating till the point of failure.


eating every 4 hours works... yea i saw a bunch of guys posting it... but i never tried it...

just wanted to post this for some guys who might have been like me.



If you eat often you lose weight while maintain muscle...its funny how simple it is but most boxers just starve themselves they are thickheaded and go the oldschool route instead of doing the meals 3-4 hours to lose fat.

Yeah, eating often is the way to go as it really gets your metabolism going!

I eat every 2-3 hours.

:boxing:

If you eat often you lose weight while maintain muscle...its funny how simple it is but most boxers just starve themselves they are thickheaded and go the oldschool route instead of doing the meals 3-4 hours to lose fat.

Thats exactly what i would do... no more of that EVER!

If you eat often you lose weight while maintain muscle...its funny how simple it is but most boxers just starve themselves they are thickheaded and go the oldschool route instead of doing the meals 3-4 hours to lose fat.

It's just not that simple. It's not like anyone who eats often will lose weight, and more importantly, continue to lose weight. If that was true, DA1 could maintain his muscle mass and compete at featherweight at some point in the future.
Most high level boxers go several pounds below the weight they're comfortable at, eating more often is not the answer, cutting calories out of their diets is.

I had a fighter who walked around at 138 lbs, which was the lowest weight he was comfortable at. He fought at 125, and getting there was a matter of eating less and less as weigh in approached. He ate 6-8 times a day except in the last week.

If eating more often makes you lose weight, it's because you're way above the weight you can get to.

It's just not that simple. It's not like anyone who eats often will lose weight, and more importantly, continue to lose weight. If that was true, DA1 could maintain his muscle mass and compete at featherweight at some point in the future.
Most high level boxers go several pounds below the weight they're comfortable at, eating more often is not the answer, cutting calories out of their diets is.

I had a fighter who walked around at 138 lbs, which was the lowest weight he was comfortable at. He fought at 125, and getting there was a matter of eating less and less as weigh in approached. He ate 6-8 times a day except in the last week.

If eating more often makes you lose weight, it's because you're way above the weight you can get to.



HMMMMM...... i went to 195 from my fight weight *(165)* now im 174..... i usually feel drained and horrible around this point in making weight and just sweat the rest of it out for my 2 day tournaments... but i actually feel great now, and haven't even been sweating crazy like i usually aim for... running 2-3 times the day to make sure im 167 atleast...

I feel if i continue this i can maintain 165 easily... that good?
did i mention my energy is BETTER than ever compared to my other methods of the past around this tiem of making weight.



MORE KNOWLEDGE PLEASE!!!

It's just not that simple. It's not like anyone who eats often will lose weight, and more importantly, continue to lose weight. If that was true, DA1 could maintain his muscle mass and compete at featherweight at some point in the future.
Most high level boxers go several pounds below the weight they're comfortable at, eating more often is not the answer, cutting calories out of their diets is.

I had a fighter who walked around at 138 lbs, which was the lowest weight he was comfortable at. He fought at 125, and getting there was a matter of eating less and less as weigh in approached. He ate 6-8 times a day except in the last week.

If eating more often makes you lose weight, it's because you're way above the weight you can get to.

first off on that last thing about eating more often making you lose weight it snot because you are way above the weight you can get too...its because eating more often and just enough makes the metabolism speed up if you eat huge ass meals instead of small ones your digestive system will slow down making you put on more fat, eating just to fuel your body with small portions 6 to 8 times a day will make you burn more fat by speeding the metabolism faster.

If you are eating "CLEAN" and just a handful and not till full then you will lose fat...the rest is water weight...the science is muscle burns more calories then fat.

If you get a good nutritionist they will make a diet but too many boxing trainers or boxing guys are old school and have to much pride to hire one...they rather their guy starve to make weight which is messed up.

well of course metabolism has much to do with it...but my cousin is a dietitian and personal trainer and he has taken some of the fattest people you would know and swiped a good 50 pounds of a few weeks with diet alone.

its all about what you eat and the timing along with workouts it takes tons of discipline but in the end it can be achieved might take longer for some but unless you have a thyroid problem that makes you fat easy it can be done.

Thanks for that tip. I run a ton thats for sure, but the diet is where i falter, Gotta work on that. Thanks Sukhenkoy

HMMMMM...... i went to 195 from my fight weight *(165)* now im 174..... i usually feel drained and horrible around this point in making weight and just sweat the rest of it out for my 2 day tournaments... but i actually feel great now, and haven't even been sweating crazy like i usually aim for... running 2-3 times the day to make sure im 167 atleast...

I feel if i continue this i can maintain 165 easily... that good?
did i mention my energy is BETTER than ever compared to my other methods of the past around this tiem of making weight.



MORE KNOWLEDGE PLEASE!!!

Haha - that's probably because you're constantly eating, as opposed to eating 2-3 meals a day before and eating a lot in one meal to the point where you feel groggy and heavy. Sure you feel great - it might even be because you're trying something new. But, like PunchDrunk mentioned, there's no miracle way to lose weight and continue losing it, and constantly eat, eat, eat. At some point you're going to hit the weight your body wants to maintain on this new eating pattern, and you'll probably get used to this new energy cycle as well.

Anyways, if its working for you right now, more power to you man. Good luck at your next fight by the way. Try to get some good sparring in. :boxing:

first off on that last thing about eating more often making you lose weight it snot because you are way above the weight you can get too...its because eating more often and just enough makes the metabolism speed up if you eat huge ass meals instead of small ones your digestive system will slow down making you put on more fat, eating just to fuel your body with small portions 6 to 8 times a day will make you burn more fat by speeding the metabolism faster.

If you are eating "CLEAN" and just a handful and not till full then you will lose fat...the rest is water weight...the science is muscle burns more calories then fat.

If you get a good nutritionist they will make a diet but too many boxing trainers or boxing guys are old school and have to much pride to hire one...they rather their guy starve to make weight which is messed up.

well of course metabolism has much to do with it...but my cousin is a dietitian and personal trainer and he has taken some of the fattest people you would know and swiped a good 50 pounds of a few weeks with diet alone.

its all about what you eat and the timing along with workouts it takes tons of discipline but in the end it can be achieved might take longer for some but unless you have a thyroid problem that makes you fat easy it can be done.

Look, I understand the dynamics of why you can lose weight when you eat more often, and I'm not saying you have to be fat for it to work. What I'm saying is, that ultimately it's a matter of eating less calories than you burn. Speeding your metabolism up is merely a method that allows you to burn more calories. The fact remains that if you still eat more calories than you use, you will not lose weight. There's no magic involved here, what you put in is what you get out.
My point is that you won't ever be able to get DA1 down to featherweight, no matter how many times he eats a day. At some point, that stops, and he'll have to diet to lose beyond that point. That point is where most high level boxers are at, or even far beyond.

2 slices pizza and coffe for breakfast...9:30 ....1 slice pizza and chicken with ranch sauce (1 chicken) 1:30......... Sweet potato (with butter so it tastes like pie lol.) and chiekn at 5 pm..... same thing again at 9pm and some banana split ice cream b4 bed.

went to bed pound under what I woke up, with absolutely no training..

With training today I lost like 4.

I have always lost weight easily when about to fight.. but this was ridiculous... I was eating all the time whateva I wanted 4 hours isn't that long to wait at all.. especially if you sleep and do some stuff .. its great.

I'll never have a weight problem again with this.


will make a video if someone wants some proof or sumthin. People on here have been saying this for the longest.. i just never tried or believed.. thought I would just keep gaining.. But man .. its great.


Now I'm going to start throwing in FRUITS for some meals.. I can only imagine how much i will lose.

Try eating about ever 2 1/2 hours, half of what you eat for tehe every 4 hour plan...... double up on carbs about an hour before working out. The first few days your body will be like WTF? youll be hungry and want to eat more, but after about a week and a 1/2 youll never be hungry after eating, even if its like 100 calories, and youll lose much more weight.....I lost 10 pounds in 3 weeks. Plus drink a lot of water. After that, just focus on eating SOMETHING ever 2 1/2 hours, as long as its natural and watch your portions. 4 hours is a bit too long in between.

Look, I understand the dynamics of why you can lose weight when you eat more often, and I'm not saying you have to be fat for it to work. What I'm saying is, that ultimately it's a matter of eating less calories than you burn. Speeding your metabolism up is merely a method that allows you to burn more calories. The fact remains that if you still eat more calories than you use, you will not lose weight. There's no magic involved here, what you put in is what you get out.
My point is that you won't ever be able to get DA1 down to featherweight, no matter how many times he eats a day. At some point, that stops, and he'll have to diet to lose beyond that point. That point is where most high level boxers are at, or even far beyond.

If you eat tons of calories of course you will put weight if you DO NOT have an intense workout regimen and eat empty calories like junk foods.
But micheal phelps eats 12,000 Calories a DAY but he eats often! and he is thin as a rail he can do this because he is active and constantly burning calories and needs fuel so his body does not start burning his muscles.

It all depends on your activity level, and your genetic make up

Marathon runners have to carb up like crazy as well for fuel.

I have to break it down to you because you over looked it its all about Timing hence eating ever 3-4 hours a day small meals...if you do this then you will lose weight.

because you eat to live not eat to be full.

now if you eat 3 whole meals huge ones with the same amount of calories as the 6-8 meals a day then you will get FAT.

Its all about the timing you burn that small meal faster and get your digestive system working to digest the food faster so your body uses that fuel faster not turning it into fat...if you ate the huge meals then you body would digest what it needs and then store the rest as fat.

Try eating about ever 2 1/2 hours, half of what you eat for tehe every 4 hour plan...... double up on carbs about an hour before working out. The first few days your body will be like WTF? youll be hungry and want to eat more, but after about a week and a 1/2 youll never be hungry after eating, even if its like 100 calories, and youll lose much more weight.....I lost 10 pounds in 3 weeks. Plus drink a lot of water. After that, just focus on eating SOMETHING ever 2 1/2 hours, as long as its natural and watch your portions. 4 hours is a bit too long in between.

Thanx... That sounds good... method sounds straight..

Man I'm excited about how everyone is responding... But to be honest Its not as easy for me to understand reading it just once after reading response after response...

Hope that doesn't make me dumb.. but yea All you guys responses are GREAT,... getting a lil confused or bogged down though... Seems like your all saying the same thing but in different ways....But i have to read them all again and really pay attention to make sure that statement i made is even correct lol.

I wish i knew as much as all of you guys seem to know. I'm definitely reading and learning though.

I eat every 15 minutes and I've put on 3 stone since the start of the year.

I have to break it down to you because you over looked it its all about Timing hence eating ever 3-4 hours a day small meals...if you do this then you will lose weight.

because you eat to live not eat to be full.

now if you eat 3 whole meals huge ones with the same amount of calories as the 6-8 meals a day then you will get FAT.

Its all about the timing you burn that small meal faster and get your digestive system working to digest the food faster so your body uses that fuel faster not turning it into fat...if you ate the huge meals then you body would digest what it needs and then store the rest as fat.

Cant agree with that at all, if I personally condense say 6 smaller meals down to only 3 larger meals and the overall calories are the same for the day, and my exercise the same, It would make F-all difference to my overall weight!

maybe it would help in a small way for someone trying to lose weight, but its calories out vs calories in that really matters, timing is of secondary importance!

though ideally I would eat the small meals to make sure my body was getting the nutrients for recovery and growth when it needs them.

Cant agree with that at all, if I personally condense say 6 smaller meals down to only 3 larger meals and the overall calories are the same for the day, and my exercise the same, It would make F-all difference to my overall weight!

maybe it would help in a small way for someone trying to lose weight, but its calories out vs calories in that really matters, timing is of secondary importance!

though ideally I would eat the small meals to make sure my body was getting the nutrients for recovery and growth when it needs them.

well then disagree with every single dietitian and trainer then.

I used to wrestler and I cut more weight while being healthy with the small meals.

Timing and proportion of meals is everything learn about it.

And wonder why if you eat 3 big loaded meals you get a fatter gut and why when you eat often clean and small meals you stay lean.

well then disagree with every single dietitian and trainer then.

I used to wrestler and I cut more weight while being healthy with the small meals.

Timing and proportion of meals is everything learn about it.

And wonder why if you eat 3 big loaded meals you get a fatter gut and why when you eat often clean and small meals you stay lean.

Man seriously, do some research, calories in vs calories out is the biggest determinator of weight gain or loss, this isnt rocket science

Man seriously, do some research, calories in vs calories out is the biggest determinator of weight gain or loss, this isnt rocket science

You are telling me to Do Research when you should be the one doing research...

here is a study about people on low carb diets and high calories and still losing more weight then the placebo... I wouldnt suggest using atkins if you are an athlete but I would do low carb days if you are trying to lose weight before a fight...I usually take most of my carbs early in the morning for energy like wheat and oats, and then post workout ill take my fast digesting carbs to replenish with my protein shake then limit my carbs after that. I was able to cut weight with intense training for my wrestling




Study surprise: Low-carb dieters eat more, lose weight

FORT LAUDERDALE, Florida (AP) --The dietary establishment has long argued it's impossible, but a new study offers intriguing evidence for the idea that people on low-carbohydrate diets can actually eat more than folks on standard lowfat plans and still lose weight.

Perhaps no idea is more controversial in the diet world than the contention -- long espoused by the late Dr. Robert Atkins -- that people on low-carbohydrate diets can consume more calories without paying a price on the scales.

Over the past year, several small studies have shown, to many experts' surprise, that the Atkins approach actually does work better, at least in the short run. Dieters lose more than those on a standard American Heart Association plan without driving up their cholesterol levels, as many feared would happen.

Skeptics contend, however, that these dieters simply must be eating less. Maybe the low-carb diets are more satisfying, so they do not get so hungry. Or perhaps the food choices are just so limited that low-carb dieters are too bored to eat a lot.

Now, a small but carefully controlled study offers a strong hint that maybe Atkins was right: People on low-carb, high-fat diets actually can eat more.

The study, directed by Penelope Greene of the Harvard School of Public Health and presented at a meeting here this week of the American Association for the Study of Obesity, found that people eating an extra 300 calories a day on a very low-carb regimen lost just as much during a 12-week study as those on a standard lowfat diet.

Over the course of the study, they consumed an extra 25,000 calories. That should have added up to about seven pounds. But for some reason, it did not.

"There does indeed seem to be something about a low-carb diet that says you can eat more calories and lose a similar amount of weight," Greene said.
A calorie just a calorie?

That strikes at one of the most revered beliefs in nutrition: A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. It does not matter whether they come from bacon or mashed potatoes; they all go on the waistline in just the same way.

Not even Greene says this settles the case, but some at the meeting found her report fascinating.

"A lot of our assumptions about a calorie is a calorie are being challenged," said Marlene Schwartz of Yale. "As scientists, we need to be open-minded."

Others, though, found the data hard to swallow.

"It doesn't make sense, does it?" said Barbara Rolls of Pennsylvania State University. "It violates the laws of thermodynamics. No one has ever found any miraculous metabolic effects."

In the study, 21 overweight volunteers were divided into three categories: Two groups were randomly assigned to either lowfat or low-carb diets with 1,500 calories for women and 1,800 for men; a third group was also low-carb but got an extra 300 calories a day.

The study was unique because all the food was prepared at an upscale Italian restaurant in Cambridge, Massachusetts, so researchers knew exactly what they ate. Most earlier studies simply sent people home with diet plans to follow as best they could.

Each afternoon, the volunteers picked up that evening's dinner, a bedtime snack and the next day's breakfast and lunch. Instead of lots of red meat and saturated fat, which many find disturbing about low-carb diets, these people ate mostly fish, chicken, salads, vegetables and unsaturated oils.

"This is not what people think of when they think about an Atkins diet," Greene said. Nevertheless, the Atkins organization agreed to pay for the research, though it had no input into the study's design, conduct or analysis.
Raising questions

Everyone's food looked similar but was cooked to different recipes. The low-carb meals were 5 percent carbohydrate, 15 percent protein and 65 percent fat. The rest got 55 percent carbohydrate, 15 percent protein and 30 percent fat.

In the end, everyone lost weight. Those on the lower-cal, low-carb regimen took off 23 pounds, while people who got the same calories on the lowfat approach lost 17 pounds. The big surprise, though, was that volunteers getting the extra 300 calories a day of low-carb food lost 20 pounds.

"It's very intriguing, but it raises more questions than it answers," said Gary Foster of the University of Pennsylvania. "There is lots of data to suggest this shouldn't be true."

Greene said she can only guess why the people getting the extra calories did so well. Maybe they burned up more calories digesting their food.

Dr. Samuel Klein of Washington University, the obesity organization's president, called the results "hard to believe" and said perhaps the people eating more calories also got more exercise or they were less apt to cheat because they were less hungry.

I eat every 15 minutes and I've put on 3 stone since the start of the year.

I feel your pain! I try to keep a burger infront of me basically all through the day and set my alarm clock at certain points in the night to eat more but I'm still gaining weight! These diets don't work!!!

You are telling me to Do Research when you should be the one doing research...

here is a study about people on low carb diets and high calories and still losing more weight then the placebo... I wouldnt suggest using atkins if you are an athlete but I would do low carb days if you are trying to lose weight before a fight...I usually take most of my carbs early in the morning for energy like wheat and oats, and then post workout ill take my fast digesting carbs to replenish with my protein shake then limit my carbs after that. I was able to cut weight with intense training for my wrestling

High calories? They're on 1500 for women, 1800 for men, and a group of plus 300 calorie diets . That is not a lot. First of all, these are dieters, the higher calorie group lost 20 pounds, meaning they're fat. What they've proved, is that you can eat too little, so that your metabolism slows down, and prevents you from losing weight, if you fat, or a t least normal weight, and on a diet. Boxers trying to get to their weight class are not normal weight!


My point is, that this will not work endlessly. If they tried this on a bunch of boxers trying to get to their fighting weight, they'd fail at the scales.

It does work if you understand it properley which some of the people who think it does not work clearly do not! They usually tend to think 6 meals a day means stuffing their face. You are simply eating the same amount of food you are on now but spreading it to trick your metabolism into speeding up. You can cut calories and binge once a day and you will find that you put weight on as your body thinks it is starving and needs to conserve energy. Remember spread the same amount of food you normally have! It works even for people who are not so dedicated like me as I am on an extreme poleolithic type diet. I've seen this work on some people who even eat JUNK, but took the tip of spreading it and got ripped. No lie!

High calories? They're on 1500 for women, 1800 for men, and a group of plus 300 calorie diets . That is not a lot. First of all, these are dieters, the higher calorie group lost 20 pounds, meaning they're fat. What they've proved, is that you can eat too little, so that your metabolism slows down, and prevents you from losing weight, if you fat, or a t least normal weight, and on a diet. Boxers trying to get to their weight class are not normal weight!


My point is, that this will not work endlessly. If they tried this on a bunch of boxers trying to get to their fighting weight, they'd fail at the scales.

diet starts prior to getting into training camp...boxers who try to kill themselves to make weight are unprofessional to begin with. You can get to a healthy weight by eating small meals witht he same caloric intake if the intesity of training is up to par.

I have no idea why you are arguing?

its like you have way to much pride no one is trying PWN anyone here ok...we are just helping each other out.

You are still sticking to what youa re saying even after I show you and explain to you how it can be down, even DA1 showed it.

if you want to cut down to a healthy weight for boxing or wrestling it can be done...but you really made that silly comment about DA1 cutting down to featherweight lol wtf he would be dead that is not a healthy weight for the size and body composition for him...bone density and build and other factors.

But he is already cutting down to a healthy weight for him not a somalian weight or holocaust weight.

My friend cut from 195 to 168 pounds which is a healthy weight for him he had more body fat before the cut and he did that in 2 months time. he cut 5-8 pounds water weight though like the usual before a fight. He came to the fight with 6 percent body fat.

He got a nutritionist who helped him with his 6 to 8 meals a day schedule and cutting out sugars and unhealthy foods.

A unhealthy oldschool weigh of cutting is Chris Byrd recently and he almost died...he even admitted he didn't know that guys can cut weight by eating 6 to 8 meals and eating often every 3 hours.

He almost died trying to crash diet to 175 the wrong way he could of damaged his nervous system.

Good thread, what are some good snack foods to eat?
I know of tuna and fruits, but what type of nuts? Peanuts, almonds?

Good thread, what are some good snack foods to eat?
I know of tuna and fruits, but what type of nuts? Peanuts, almonds?

Whichever one's you like. if it is natural, then it is good for you! Fruit tastes so good and as long as you have a variety fo your faves you are ok. One mistake people make when thinking aboiut eating greens is they think they have to have stuff they don't like too. Not true. I just have my faves over and over again: bananas like Floyd, mangoes, red grapes, melons, dates, cauliflower, sweet pumpkin, sweet and crunchy salad bags, garden peas, baby carrots and swede. If I don't like brocolli I don't give a **** how good it is for me, I'm not going to eat it! Eat as many different things from the stuff you like! ENJOY.

It's quite interesting reading the debate between Punch and Domain.

Just to clarify, when people talk about 6-8 meals a day, they're talking about small meals. Just because you eat regularly throughout the day it doesn't mean you're consuming more calories than you burn.

If your weight loss begins to plateau, you reduce the amount of calories per meal and see how your body responds.

It's quite interesting reading the debate between Punch and Domain.

Just to clarify, when people talk about 6-8 meals a day, they're talking about small meals. Just because you eat regularly throughout the day it doesn't mean you're consuming more calories than you burn.

If your weight loss begins to plateau, you reduce the amount of calories per meal and see how your body responds.

We've all been trying to tell him the same thing but he won't listen. He is righteous indignant person and just can't be wrong and as a result will never accept another viewpoint until he has undergone a whole process of changing sides. I use to be like that but found it to be useless, especially when it came to the ring. Better to be pragmatic and use what works for you. **** the theories, do what works.

Listen guys, I'm not saying 3 meals a day is better than 6 meals a day. I'm saying that 6 meals a day is not a magic weight loss trick that will get you to any weight you want. It'll work untill a certain point, but ultimately, you're gonna have to restrict the amount of calories you take in if you want (or in the case of a top fighter, need) to get lower.

diet starts prior to getting into training camp...boxers who try to kill themselves to make weight are unprofessional to begin with. You can get to a healthy weight by eating small meals witht he same caloric intake if the intesity of training is up to par.

I have no idea why you are arguing?

So now you get to decide when dieting begins? My fighters don't start diet before training camp, so that claim's out the window. You're also starting to concede to my point, because now you're talking about healthy weight as opposed to "somalian" weight. I've been saying the same thing all along; you can lose weight eating often to a certain point. Problme is, most fighters fight well beyond that point (and have great success doing so, I might add).

You are still sticking to what youa re saying even after I show you and explain to you how it can be down, even DA1 showed it.

Domain, you haven't shown me anything regarding my point. Yes, fat people can shed weight if they eat more often(I've never claimed otherwise). Yes, DA1 shed weight when he started to eat more often (he's still at 174 though, so he hasn't shown me anything either), and the question is whether he should be fighting lower than 165. BUT there is a limit to how low you can go, using this method alone, which you clearly admit when you start talking about training intensity. Why? Because that means you acknowledge the calories in vs. calories out factor. Manipulating that factor by doing more intense training is just another way of doing the same thing as restricting your intake; taking in less calories than you spend. You try to dodge that bullet by spending more calories than you take in. Same thing, different method.

This is getting painful but I will try to explain.

Through keeping charts of what of eat I worked out my my Base Rate Metabolism (BMR)- overall calories I eat in a day to not gain or lose weight with a relatively constant rate of exercise. It works out to be about 2300 calories. When I up this I gain weight, lower it lose weight.

Normally I eat about 4-5 meals a day. Lets say for example I eat two large supreme pizzas a day, and the the total of calories is 4000. I will gain weight because I am eating 1700 calories over my BMR.

Okay lets talk about timing, I eat my pizza in three settings, morning, lunch and dinner. What happens? I gain weight because I am taking more calories in than I burn.

What happens when I eat the same amount of pizza over 6 settings, 7am, 11am, 2pm, 5pm, 8pm, 10pm. I am still eating 1700 calories over. What happens? I gain weight because I am taking more calories in than I burn.

Do I gain significantly less weight because I ate over 6 meals instead of 3? (and this is what I believe you are trying to argue) probably no, why? because I am still eating alot more calories than I burn.

So what would make a bigger difference? eat less calories, eat less pìzza!!. Like I said before calories in versus calories out is more important than timing for weight loss/gain.

I am no arguing timing makes NO difference, just not as big a difference as overall cals!

From
Science-Based Medicine
Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine

Published by Steven Novella under Public Health

From my perspective the failure of the weight-loss industry and public health measures is due to a failed approach - focusing on factors that have a small overall effect on weight loss while neglecting those that have a huge impact.

From an individual perspective, weight loss is simple (although not easy). It is a matter of calories in vs calories out - you cannot escape this equation. This means eating less and moving more. Simple, basic strategies to help reduce caloric intake seem to be the most effective. This means portion control, and limiting calorie-dense foods. The latter requires knowing how many calories are in food you are likely to consume (that Starbucks Mocha Breve has 580 calories). Limiting total caloric intake also means keeping track of how much you eat - which is deceptively difficult to do. Most people fail on diets because they simply underestimate their total caloric intake.

A recent study published in American Journal of Preventive Medicine showed that simply keeping a daily diary of food intake doubled total weight loss in a 5 month study (participants who kept a diary lost an average of 17.5 pounds). This is a significant difference, and the amount of weight lost was also significant. This supports other evidence that methods for estimating and keeping track of caloric intake are very predictive of successful weight loss.

And yet this huge effect from a simple technique was overshadowed in the media by another recent study that showed that those on a low carb diet lost an extra four pounds over 2 years over low-fat dieters (for a total of about 10 pounds). Wow - 4 pounds over 2 years. The media touted this as vindication for low-carb dieting, when it really showed that the diets did not work very well, and any differences among them were practically insignificant.

Now we are told that a pill can reproduce the effects of exercise. The media hails this as a boon to couch potatoes. It did not take long, however, for others to point out that the studies performed on mice did not consider many of the known benefits of exercise. At least for now, there is no exercise in a pill.

The pattern is clear - the media thinks (and they may be right) that the public is interested in learning how to lose weight without calorie restriction and exercise. They would rather eat different food than less food, and exercise “smart” rather than frequently. But the data does not comply.

By obsessing over effects so small that it is controversial if they even exist, and if they do their impact would be minor - the media and self-help industry are likely worsening the obesity problem. Rather there should be an emphasis first on what does work. Here is a quick summary: (Standard disclaimer - this is for information only, not individual medical advise. Many people have individual health concerns that affect their diet and ability to exercise, so if necessary consult your physician.)

- Eat fewer calories. Do this by:

- Choosing lower calorie and less calorie dense food, and by avoiding large calorie extras.

- Avoid drinking calories.

- Use portion control (just don’t take that second helping).

- Track your food intake with a convenient and simple system, at least until you get a better feel for where your calories are coming from.

- Increase your calorie output by exercising more, at least three days a week, but more is better.

- Do something you enjoy as you are much more likely to keep up with it. Likewise, make it as convenient as possible.

- Little activities add up, so take the stairs when you can, walk when you can, and spend more time in recreation that involves moving rather than sitting.

- Weigh yourself weekly to assess how you are doing so you can make adjustments as necessary.

Those are the basics - you should at least start with these steps. The goal is long-term weight control, not a quick fix. That is the other problem with most “diets”- they emphasize short term weight loss rather than long term health and weight control. Forget about highly restrictive diets - no one sticks with them. Forget about really complex diet plans - no one sticks with them. Forget about plans where you have to buy special food - no one sticks with them.

Basically - do not think to yourself, “I just need to get these X pounds off then I can switch to long term maintenance.” The problem with this approach is that almost everyone gains all the weight back. You are better off just going to the long term plan initially - don’t be lured by the promise of rapid weight loss.

From a public health perspective the issues are more challenging. Education can help individuals, but does not have a huge statistical impact on the public. Measures that are helpful are those that make better food choices easier. At my hospital cafeteria, for example, the sandwich counter used to offer two choices for sides, pretzels or potato chips. That was it. Now they off carrot sticks or celery, so that’s what I get. The default choice contains many fewer calories. Those types of measures work.

The trend in marketing, however, has been counter productive. Products are promoted as low-fat or low-carb (depending on your preference) - but neither are necessarily low calorie. They simply replace fat calories with carbs, or vice versa. So people end up eating more total calories because they think they are eating healthy. It’s counter productive. Printing nutritional information on the side of the package is nice, but it hasn’t helped.

Bottom line time

The public would be better off if they completely ignored the weight loss industry, avoided self-help weight loss books and diets, and simply focussed on some basic principles, as outlined above. Public health measures should focus on making default choices more healthful and lower calorie. We are starting to see a trend in this direction, in response to public demand. You can now get apple slices instead of french fries as a side in your kid’s Happy Meal. I can get carrot sticks instead of potato chips with my tuna on rye. But if there is going to be a reversal of the obesity trend in the West much more has to be done.

2 slices pizza and coffe for breakfast...9:30 ....1 slice pizza and chicken with ranch sauce (1 chicken) 1:30......... Sweet potato (with butter so it tastes like pie lol.) and chiekn at 5 pm..... same thing again at 9pm and some banana split ice cream b4 bed.

went to bed pound under what I woke up, with absolutely no training..

With training today I lost like 4.

I have always lost weight easily when about to fight.. but this was ridiculous... I was eating all the time whateva I wanted 4 hours isn't that long to wait at all.. especially if you sleep and do some stuff .. its great.

I'll never have a weight problem again with this.


will make a video if someone wants some proof or sumthin. People on here have been saying this for the longest.. i just never tried or believed.. thought I would just keep gaining.. But man .. its great.


Now I'm going to start throwing in FRUITS for some meals.. I can only imagine how much i will lose.

for real?? you ate all that **** and were still cool? u aint eatin all that everyday though are you. cuz im gettin back in the game and i need to lose some pounds, and if u been eatin whatever u want and losin weight still, then **** i'm all aboard. gimme some details if u aint busy. peace.

eating 6 meals a day will not speed up your metabolism, recent studies prove this. Its been bodybuilding dogma for quite a while and it was only assumed to be true from poor studies and observations.

The benefit of eating so often is to control your blood sugar levels so your appetite will be at bay. Also if you are eating high dosages of protein in many sittings it triggers protein synthesis more often. Protein synthesis means muscle growth.

To the threadstarter, you have very good genetics and with a few years of weightlifting you could even become a top amateur bodybuilder if u wanted too.
But the majority of us couldn't eat icecream, burgers etc we would get fat

eating 6 meals a day will not speed up your metabolism, recent studies prove this. Its been bodybuilding dogma for quite a while and it was only assumed to be true from poor studies and observations.

The benefit of eating so often is to control your blood sugar levels so your appetite will be at bay. Also if you are eating high dosages of protein in many sittings it triggers protein synthesis more often. Protein synthesis means muscle growth.

To the threadstarter, you have very good genetics and with a few years of weightlifting you could even become a top amateur bodybuilder if u wanted too.
But the majority of us couldn't eat icecream, burgers etc we would get fat
That is true, we can't. But if you eat healthy meals spread out it helps you lose wieght for the reasons you described. Some would argue that improved protein synthesis will result in your metabolism being increased indirectly. Also, the research always contradicts other research and so on. Do what works best for you.

anyone who has studied sports nutrition even to a basic level knows eating every 3-4 hours is the way to go. I don't think that's any kind of groundbreaking revelation

It's really a matter of food preparation, that is the key. I spend several hours on a sunday morning preparing food for the week

eating 6 meals a day will not speed up your metabolism, recent studies prove this. Its been bodybuilding dogma for quite a while and it was only assumed to be true from poor studies and observations.

The benefit of eating so often is to control your blood sugar levels so your appetite will be at bay. Also if you are eating high dosages of protein in many sittings it triggers protein synthesis more often. Protein synthesis means muscle growth.

To the threadstarter, you have very good genetics and with a few years of weightlifting you could even become a top amateur bodybuilder if u wanted too.
But the majority of us couldn't eat icecream, burgers etc we would get fat

Da1 does have good genetics - I won't argue that. But too many of you are on his nuts about how he can eat like **** and get as ripped as he is. You have to realize that if he eats like that constantly, he will still gain fat and will get fat. Da1 trains more than most of us, so he can remain ripped. I've read some of his posts before and da1 understands a good diet, and I'm sure he follows it when he's training for fights. Da1 isn't superman like many of you make him out to be.

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Da1 does have good genetics - I won't argue that. But too many of you are on his nuts about how he can eat like **** and get as ripped as he is. You have to realize that if he eats like that constantly, he will still gain fat and will get fat. Da1 trains more than most of us, so he can remain ripped. I've read some of his posts before and da1 understands a good diet, and I'm sure he follows it when he's training for fights. Da1 isn't superman like many of you make him out to be.


For a 17 year-old, you have suprising maturity.

For a 17 year-old, you have suprising maturity.
Thanks man:)

Thanks man:)

It means your a geek.

Obviously you were raised properly, and if you weren't, then you deserve even more credit. Look, from a 25 year old to a 17 year old, I'm sure you already know this. But a good piece of advice I wish I would've respected at that age, is this little piece of knowledge...you are who you hang out and associate with. Stay away from drugs, and people who mess with them. Even if you see a successful athlete you know smoking a little grass, just don't **** with it, or anything else. Pills, of any kind, either...

Look, I'm not tryin' to be a parent, but you got alot of potential in life...Wasted potential and talent is the ugliest thing on the planet, imo, next to seeing a pregnant woman with a cigarette.

Obviously you were raised properly, and if you weren't, then you deserve even more credit. Look, from a 25 year old to a 17 year old, I'm sure you already know this. But a good piece of advice I wish I would've respected at that age, is this little piece of knowledge...you are who you hang out and associate with. Stay away from drugs, and people who mess with them. Even if you see a successful athlete you know smoking a little grass, just don't **** with it, or anything else. Pills, of any kind, either...

Look, I'm not tryin' to be a parent, but you got alot of potential in life...Wasted potential and talent is the ugliest thing on the planet, imo, next to seeing a pregnant woman with a cigarette.

haha I've never drank before in my life. Never smoked. Sure as **** never done drugs. I absolutely HATE that ****. Can't stand it. I don't hang out with people that do. As for pills and steroids, i dont have respect for athletes that use that ****. I want to keep things as natural as possible, even if it means achieving less than one who uses those performance-enhancing aids.

Most people my age dont understand it, but that's how I am. I'm serious about my training, my diet, and I wont let that **** get in my way.

Thanks for the advice man. Nice to see people share my views on that ****.

It means your a geek.

thanks tip! :booty:

Unfortunately for me, when I was about twenty years old I took a trip to Vancouver, B.C. It's a great place, but not at that time and point in my life. I went with a group of friends, after a month they all ran out of money and went home, but I had found work doing lumberjacking work under the table as I was an illegal alien lol...Guess you could say I know what it's like to be a mexican ;) ...in short I bunked with a group of dudes one of which was an expert horticulturist and they did alot of street selling with a bunch of different vendors more than just selling big weight. It was where I also learned the hard way not to try to take a knife from someone if you aren't trained to do so. I ended up getting high alot, etc...Mom called me crying one mother's day and I packed my **** up and went back, 15 months later...15 months of my prime, wasted on that ****...Wish I woulda never went, I learned alot of **** (all illegal unfortunately) that could make me money but boxing is what I truly love, and I hate the fact that I ever went there, even though it's a great place....just a little tale

If you train really hard, you will find that this way of eating does work. Nothing will work for bums and they will debate and argue about different diets forever. The bottomline is that training hard is an essential part of this eating plan as it was designed by athletes.

If you train really hard, you will find that this way of eating does work. Nothing will work for bums and they will debate and argue about different diets forever. The bottomline is that training hard is an essential part of this eating plan as it was designed by athletes.

Makes sense...

that means its a key to why it works for me... i work hard :):boxing::boxing::drillserg

Whichever one's you like. if it is natural, then it is good for you! Fruit tastes so good and as long as you have a variety fo your faves you are ok. One mistake people make when thinking aboiut eating greens is they think they have to have stuff they don't like too. Not true. I just have my faves over and over again: bananas like Floyd, mangoes, red grapes, melons, dates, cauliflower, sweet pumpkin, sweet and crunchy salad bags, garden peas, baby carrots and swede. If I don't like brocolli I don't give a **** how good it is for me, I'm not going to eat it! Eat as many different things from the stuff you like! ENJOY.

Cheers bro