in the same year and month that duran moved up to fight Leonard, arguello moved up to jose luis ramirez.these guys where months from being in the same div.this fight woulda been awesome.does anyone know of any rumors or stories of this fight having even been talked about?

duran would have KO'd him

arguellos chin was good but not brilliant and roberto would have worn him down and stoped him late

i agree
Arguello was good but Duran was at his absolute peak in 1980...imagine a Duran/Leonard 1 beatdown exept at 135...too much for arguello to handle, even tho he has his moments

in the same year and month that duran moved up to fight Leonard, arguello moved up to jose luis ramirez.these guys where months from being in the same div.this fight woulda been awesome.does anyone know of any rumors or stories of this fight having even been talked about?

I know that Duran always says he would have killed Arguello but that's Duran lol. I have read that there was always speculation about them fighting, but I don't think it ever came close to being made. If it did it probably would hvae looked alot like Arguello's second fight with Aaron Pryor.

I know that Duran always says he would have killed Arguello but that's Duran lol. I have read that there was always speculation about them fighting, but I don't think it ever came close to being made. If it did it probably would hvae looked alot like Arguello's second fight with Aaron Pryor.

yeah i agree, but i think the weight drain might be an issue.maybe not.

Help me remember, what duran/leonard I beatdown are you referring to. The fight I saw in 1980 was Duran winning by a total of 4 points between 3 cards, then duran quiting when Leonard boxed him the next time.

As for Arguello Duran I would go with Duran at 135.

in the same year and month that duran moved up to fight Leonard, arguello moved up to jose luis ramirez.these guys where months from being in the same div.this fight woulda been awesome.does anyone know of any rumors or stories of this fight having even been talked about?

Compelling matchup. I'd favor Duran slightly in this battle of ATGs. Duran was as good as I've ever seen at Lightweight but I can see Arguello's reach and power giving him trouble. Say, Duran by close decision or maybe late stoppage. In a 10 fight series I'd favor Duran by 6-4 or 7-3.

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Agree as well, Duran would have been too much for Arquello

Arguello, just to give a big "**** you" to everyone and support my favorite fighter :boxing:

It would have been a great fight but I think Duran would have had too much for Arguello. Duran by late knockout.

Jose Luis Ramierez already gave Arguello all he could handle even knocking him down in there fight. JLR is a very under rated fighter. Easily Ramierez could have got the win but they gave it to Arguello.

Jose Luis Ramierez already gave Arguello all he could handle even knocking him down in there fight. JLR is a very under rated fighter. Easily Ramierez could have got the win but they gave it to Arguello.

i heard this in the preview of camacho vs ramirez.they showed a bit of the fight and ramirez talking about it.

Help me remember, what duran/leonard I beatdown are you referring to. The fight I saw in 1980 was Duran winning by a total of 4 points between 3 cards, then duran quiting when Leonard boxed him the next time.

As for Arguello Duran I would go with Duran at 135.

i'd be referring to rounds 1-5, and a few of the later rounds in the fight where duran dictated damn near every moment against a fast handed fighter who couldn't dominate very well standing in front of him...seems like you look for a reason to hop into Duran threads and downplay this...o well, he won that one and would win the arguello fight,,,after a tough long fight.

I would also take Duran. If you stood in front of him you generally got beaten by him and being at lightweight I think it would definitely be a victory for him. A little known fact is that two of Duran's lightweight victims, Ernesto Marcel and Vilomar Fernandez were the only two guys to beat Arguello in his prime, apart from Pryor, though you could argue whether he was in his prime still at that stage.

The fight was belived to be talked about, and i have seen a picture of duran looking at a photo of arguello in hands looking atit pointing his finger with that look,that i will destroy you. I was gonna post it up but can't seem to find if i do i will post it up.I would of picked Duran late tko!

i agree
Arguello was good but Duran was at his absolute peak in 1980...imagine a Duran/Leonard 1 beatdown exept at 135...too much for arguello to handle, even tho he has his moments


I never saw a duran/leonard 1 beatdown. When did that happen? What i saw was duran win a fight by a total of 4 point between 3 scorecards, and a fight he won all of the 1st 4 rounds on each of the 3 judges scorecards.

Sounds to me like it was a close fight, that leonard willingly, went toe toe and this having his back against the ropes willingly (you can not point to a section in that fight where duran cut off the ring vs ray or made him fight his fight, ray came in the fight to do so) and since people were not used to seeing ray in this type of fight, it is blown out of proportion.

Duran won, fair and square, but he took a lot of punishment too, and it was a close great fight by both of them. In fact form round 5 on ( you do the math) leonad won more rounds on each and every one of the judges scorecard than Duran did. Hmmm not to mention how he made duran quit 5 months later...

i'd be referring to rounds 1-5, and a few of the later rounds in the fight where duran dictated damn near every moment against a fast handed fighter who couldn't dominate very well standing in front of him...seems like you look for a reason to hop into Duran threads and downplay this...o well, he won that one and would win the arguello fight,,,after a tough long fight.

ohh I see your respone..However Ilike to set the record straing for all you that falsly like to hype up Duran Whipping leonard like you did. Duran barely ecked out a decison and to correct you it was really rounds 2-4 where he clealry dominated Loenard. Ray won rounds 5 easily. Yes there were some great rounds by duran in the later part, but none where he dominated every moment of the found. NONE!! IN fact almost every round had parts where both had good moments. It was one helluve a fight by Duran, he clearly brought it to Ray, however, Ray took his best shots, fought Durans fight, and brought it right bact to him

IMO ray woke up too late from a great shot he caught in round 2, and thus he was 4 pts down. In fact if you look at every scorecard this was the case as one 2 cards where durna by 1 point, one had duran by 2 points. If Duran won rounds 1-4 ( he didnt even land single punch to the head in round 1) that mathatically tells you who won most of rounds form rounds 5-15.

It is funny how duran fans through in over exaggerated words, when clealry he did not whip Loenard, he beat leonard in a great fight, he was the aggessor and forced ray to realize that he needs to fight his fight for now on.

When he fought his fight Durans fans never like to discuss that.

I'm a big Duran fan & Leonard has 2 b given his due 4 fighting Duran's style of fight.
people forget duran had 2 move up 12 pounds Leonard by far da stronger man but Duran beat him fair & square it was 15 great rounds thanks 2 Leonard going toe 2 toe Leonard proved himself a champ that night & he said he never again fight Duran da way he did cos he would be beat.maybe that's why we had no mas but it wasn't what Duran said .he said he would not fight this clown again when Carlos Aleta told him to fight on he repeated will not fight this clown.pound 4 pound manos de peidra is in the top ten of all time he punched way above & beyond his weight nobody can take that from him

I'm a big Duran fan & Leonard has 2 b given his due 4 fighting Duran's style of fight.
people forget duran had 2 move up 12 pounds Leonard by far da stronger man but Duran beat him fair & square it was 15 great rounds thanks 2 Leonard going toe 2 toe Leonard proved himself a champ that night & he said he never again fight Duran da way he did cos he would be beat.maybe that's why we had no mas but it wasn't what Duran said .he said he would not fight this clown again when Carlos Aleta told him to fight on he repeated will not fight this clown.pound 4 pound manos de peidra is in the top ten of all time he punched way above & beyond his weight nobody can take that from him


Could not agree more

But one of them has to go down. I sometimes surprise people when I say this, but... Duran in 8. That's right. Arguello was a magnificent fighter, no questions. Unfortunately, he does not have the tools to keep Duran off of him. Roberto is too relentless, too quick, hit too hard. Arguello had average foot speed at best and would be cut off consistently. His long midsection would be an inviting target for Duran's pit-bull type offense. Here's the clincher... Arguello would NOT create distance when this happens which would have been his undoing. Every time the fight has gone inside he's fought back inside and Alexis wasn't bad, in fact he was excellent for a tall lanky guy on the inside. But nobody, NOBODY was better inside than Duran. Duran eats him up. Just one of those match ups in which one guy's weaknesses/habits fit another guy's strengths. Roberto sends Alexis out on a stretcher.

I know that Duran always says he would have killed Arguello but that's Duran lol. I have read that there was always speculation about them fighting, but I don't think it ever came close to being made. If it did it probably would hvae looked alot like Arguello's second fight with Aaron Pryor.
I agree. Duran was a much stronger body puncher than Pryor, though Arguello was'nt bad himself. Duran was just too strong, fast and intense at lightweight for Alexis. He would wear him down and ko Arguello by round 10. It would've been a great fight to watch.

This fight nearly happened was negotiated an all but Duran was moving up & Arguello moving to light weight at the wrong time.
I see Duran having too much for Arguello he would not be a static target which would make the sometime mechanical Arguello balance look bad Duran would KO Alexis but it would be a great fight bombs would be dropped a lot of body work but no body seems to give Duran credit for his defencive boxing well as Arguello is just a bit robotic.