View Full Version : Northern cities 'beyond revival'


Don Gorgon
08-13-2008, 04:59 AM
Northern cities 'beyond revival' - BBc Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7556937.stm)

Cities in northern England such as Liverpool, Sunderland and Bradford are "beyond revival" and residents should move south, a think tank has argued.

Policy Exchange said current regeneration policies were "failing" the people they were supposed to help.

A mass migration to London, Cambridge and Oxford would stop them becoming "trapped" in poorer areas, it said.

One of the report authors acknowledged it may be seen as "barmy". A Liverpool MP called it "utter nonsense".

Policy Exchange is one of the most influential right-of-centre think tanks and it has been credited with much of the fresh thinking behind the revival of the Conservative Party under David Cameron.

Its report comes as Mr Cameron embarks on a two-day tour of marginal constituencies in the north of England, including areas around Liverpool.

However, the Tories stressed that they wholeheartedly supported the regeneration of northern cities and the report did "not reflect" party policy.

No one is suggesting that residents should be forced to move, but we do argue that they should be told the reality of the position

Policy Exchange report

Labour MP Peter Kilfoyle described the Policy Exchange report as "utter nonsense".

"It doesn't ring true economically, socially or politically," said the Liverpool Walton MP.

"The south-east cannot take any more people and people in the north-west do not want to go.

"People are more than happy with the regeneration work that is happening".

'Reality'

The Policy Exchange report said the three million affordable new homes planned by the government should be built in London, Oxford and Cambridge to enable people to migrate south.

People should be told the "reality" to avoid them becoming "trapped" in less prosperous parts of the country.

Money currently being pumped into renewal projects and back-to-work schemes should instead be given directly to councils, according to local wage levels, to spend on regeneration measures, it added.


Plans for a £30m park by Bradford's City Hall failed to win lottery funding

The authors concluded that coastal cities like Liverpool and Sunderland had "lost much of their raison d'etre" with the decline of shipping and had "little prospect of offering their residents the standard of living to which they aspire".

It was time to be "realistic about the ability of cities such as Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle to regenerate struggling nearby towns such as Liverpool, Bradford and Sunderland.

"No-one is suggesting that residents should be forced to move, but we do argue that they should be told the reality of the position: regeneration, in the sense of convergence, will not happen, because it is not possible," it concluded.

Restrictions on house-building in the south-east should be lifted to lower house prices and stop people on low incomes being "trapped" in less prosperous parts of the country, the authors said.


Land earmarked for industrial use should be released for housing. The resulting price increase for industrial land would force some firms to relocate to cheaper areas, meaning more jobs for people in struggling towns and cities.

'Economic power-houses'

The university cities of Oxford and Cambridge were well placed to become the economic power-houses of the 21st Century, it argued, like the industrial north more than a century ago.

"We should consider expanding both dramatically, just as Liverpool and Manchester expanded in the 19th Century. Dynamic economies require dynamic economic geography."

The authors included Tim Leunig, a lecturer in economic history at the London School of Economics, who said: "No doubt some people will claim that these proposals are unworkable, unreasonable and perhaps plain barmy.

"But the issue is clear: current regeneration policies are failing the very people they are supposed to be helping and there is no evidence that the trend will be reversed without radical changes."

He said internal migration had always been an important part of a dynamic economy.

"If we are to ensure that people in this country have similar opportunities, regardless of where they are born, we need to allow people to move from places with few prospects to places that offer more opportunities," he said.


What a load of bollox, as a Southerner I find that a little ignorant.

Seeing as the majority of us Limeys are Northerners, what do you guys think?

MickyHatton
08-13-2008, 05:53 AM
Thats a think tank for you.

Anyone who has visited Liverpool this year would disagree, the European Capital of Culture year has brought 100's of millions of business into the City and completely transformed huge hunks of it including dozens of new 'skyscraper' type buildings, a brand new Arena and indoor shopping centre that will become the largest in Europe.

Newcastle is another good example especially in the Quayside area.

Manchester speaks for itself.

Don Gorgon
08-13-2008, 06:24 AM
Thats a think tank for you.

Anyone who has visited Liverpool this year would disagree, the European Capital of Culture year has brought 100's of millions of business into the City and completely transformed huge hunks of it including dozens of new 'skyscraper' type buildings, a brand new Arena and indoor shopping centre that will become the largest in Europe.

Newcastle is another good example especially in the Quayside area.

Manchester speaks for itself.
I think they were referring to Liverpool, Sunderland and Bradford in particular. I don't know much about the latter 2 but to put Liverpool in that bracket.

It's all bollox anyway, I was just curious to see what the "northerners" take was on the article.

I'd love to visit Liverpool again, haven't been in a few years now.

Pot Noodle
08-13-2008, 06:35 AM
Load of **** that is, Liverpool has completely been revamped on the waterfront, hundreds of apartments block been built on the Mersey estuary, warehouses have been converted, new indoor arena, of course you can't forget it being the 2008 European city of culture.

Seems the think tank only went through the ****e parts of each city up north.

beecherhq
08-13-2008, 06:47 AM
It is a load of ****, i sort of agree about liverpool though. I love the place have loads of family there and there has been a lot of regeneration particularly in the city centre and docks but it still has some of the poorest neighbourhoods in england which no one seems to be doing nothing about - instead of moving people why not redirect some of the money from the city into these neighbourhoods.

MickyHatton
08-13-2008, 06:56 AM
It is a load of ****, i sort of agree about liverpool though. I love the place have loads of family there and there has been a lot of regeneration particularly in the city centre and docks but it still has some of the poorest neighbourhoods in england which no one seems to be doing nothing about - instead of moving people why not redirect some of the money from the city into these neighbourhoods.

Off course there is still squalor but that's no different than in any City including London. The report was around primarily business and the effect the environment has on it.

Liverpool's poorer area's are being worked on currently with over 25 regeneration projects running today. There will always be poor area's but compared to ten years ago its a completely different city.

Southpaw Stinger
08-13-2008, 07:13 AM
Thats bull **** right there. I ain't moving down south, the chippies are crap!

MickyHatton
08-13-2008, 07:49 AM
I think they were referring to Liverpool, Sunderland and Bradford in particular. I don't know much about the latter 2 but to put Liverpool in that bracket.

It's all bollox anyway, I was just curious to see what the "northerners" take was on the article.

I'd love to visit Liverpool again, haven't been in a few years now.

As for Sunderland, they recently won the John Prescott initiative to regenerate the City including a digital challenge grant so.....

Pot Noodle
08-13-2008, 07:51 AM
Aye why would any northerner move down south, it's true they don't serve gravy in most chippies down south ain't it! And don't the ****neys only drink flat beer? No head on it, scrounging cunts no wonder they're richer than us.

Southpaw Stinger
08-13-2008, 08:01 AM
Aye why would any northerner move down south, it's true they don't serve gravy in most chippies down south ain't it! And don't the ****neys only drink flat beer? No head on it, scrounging cunts no wonder they're richer than us.

I'd sooner go without cash if it mean't a great pint with chips n' gravy on the side. So I would.

BETTY SWOLLOCKS
08-13-2008, 09:25 AM
Too true that article, bloody northern monkeys

*sips on double mocha frapuccino latte*

Pot Noodle
08-13-2008, 09:53 AM
Shut up you southern poofter, or i'll shove a fizzy beer down ya throat.

BETTY SWOLLOCKS
08-13-2008, 09:56 AM
Shut up you southern poofter, or i'll shove a fizzy beer down ya throat.

Why all the agression my northern friend? Cant we settle this matter over some fine wine and polite philosophical discussion?

Pot Noodle
08-13-2008, 10:21 AM
As long as you buy the wine, you're richer than us northerners afterall.

Phil McRevis
08-13-2008, 02:13 PM
Don't stop at moving to the south of england.
Keep on going this rat infested ship is sinking fast.

Chunk.
08-13-2008, 04:01 PM
Sunderland's nice. A lot nicer then most parts of London. The houses are cheaper up there too.

Rkicards
08-13-2008, 07:24 PM
The problem is not the north, it's the northern monkeys that occupy it(and their inbreeding). I have never met a northern monkey who could read and write properly OR one with a full time job. Northern monkeys are world renowned for being thick with disgusting accents. If the north was repopulated by Asians it would be as successful as London. That about sums up the millions of northern monkeys.

phallus
08-14-2008, 03:28 AM
my ex wife is from the north of england, her hometown is famous for its footy team and its hooligans. it is a very rough industrial town with lots of empty factories and half wrecked buildings. i've never been there, but after seeing where she grew up in a documentary about hooligans, and seeing what a ****hole it is, i know why she left as soon as she could

Patty Tanager
08-14-2008, 02:50 PM
my ex wife is from the north of england, her hometown is famous for its footy team and its hooligans. it is a very rough industrial town with lots of empty factories and half wrecked buildings. i've never been there, but after seeing where she grew up in a documentary about hooligans, and seeing what a ****hole it is, i know why she left as soon as she could

Where are referring to specifically?.

I read today in the paper that "it is a fact that 26% of Liverpool are on the dole", which is quite shocking. It also said that London and the south east make up 60% of the economy.

Pot Noodle
08-14-2008, 05:21 PM
I'm guessing Burnley.

Patty Tanager
08-16-2008, 09:43 AM
Burnley is an absolute **** hole to be fair.

phallus
08-21-2008, 01:39 AM
I'm guessing Burnley.

Burnley is an absolute **** hole to be fair.

you'd be right on both