http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/boxing/7556192.stm

Terry Edwards is a ***** and has to go! Vote against him now:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202010

terry edwards got 8 boxers to the olympics and will probably get at least 2 to medals, why on earth should he go?

The scoring throughout the olympics has been strange. nothing outrageous by amatuer boxing standards but it has been a little off, this time we just happened to be on the wrong end of it (when during the degale fight i'd say the opposite was true)

terry edwards got 8 boxers to the olympics and will probably get at least 2 to medals, why on earth should he go?

The scoring throughout the olympics has been strange. nothing outrageous by amatuer boxing standards but it has been a little off, this time we just happened to be on the wrong end of it (when during the degale fight i'd say the opposite was true)
Bull****. Even if Murray got the extra 5 points he still lost! Not fair and sqaure but he did lose today no question about it. The scoring has been severely biased as I have said before, especially towards the *****ks! BTW I don't give Edwards much credit for them all qualifying. Only thing that has changed is the money coming in, and he has already squandered a quarter of it! He is a ****e coach and it is the club coaches who made these guys. Ask people in boxing and they will tell you he gets all credit for what Mick Jelly did. He is nothing more than a bad babysitter who makes the kids FAT.

Murray did lose the fight as it turned out. Had he gotten the points he should have had early, it would have been a different fight, but that is speculation. He lost, I've seen worse decisions.

Edwards is doing great with the English team though. Amazing.

Murray lost fair and square, Some of his punches didn't score but had they done, The outcome of the fight would have been the same.

Murray was a ****y little **** after the fight too and couldn't accept his loss like a man.

Edwards should definately stay by the way, No question about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/boxing/7556192.stm

Terry Edwards is a ***** and has to go! Vote against him now:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202010
come on everybody knows the Olympic Judging sucks !

I did my own scorecard for the fight and had Murray up by 2 points. IMO the judging was a disgrace, but I have to say I expected it and had seen earlier in the tournament how the chinese boxers benefit from fighting at home.

Here a few observations I made about the fight:
1. The chinese boxer was awarded several points for slaps while I didn't see any slaps awarded as points for Murray.
2. Throughout the fight numerous scoring shots from Murray were not scored; there was a straight right in the 1st and two bodyshots in the 4th that definately should have scored.
3. Richie Woodhall bang on again. Without doubt the best commentator around.
4. Knockdown was bull****..and he was given a point for a hitting Murray with his wrist.
5. The chinese boxer given points when a punch didn't even land, unbelievably bad judging.

I definately have sympathy with Murray, but he should have known that the judges would have been kind to the chinese boxer and really have done more throughout the fight. I feel sorry for anyone who has to face a chinese boxer because they are about 10 points down before they even enter the ring.

Murray got hammered into submission in that fight

Murray got hammered into submission in that fight

Please don't become a judge.

LOL. That is the kind of people who are probably sitting on the judging panel. **** friendly mother****ers who have gotten too happy after eating free chop suey!

I feel for this kid but he has only himself to blame after reading this article...

US favorite Warren upset by Lee at Beijing Games
By GREG BEACHAM, AP Sports Writer

BEIJING (AP)—While Lee Ok-sung got his glove fixed with 35 seconds left, Rau’shee Warren turned in his neutral corner and searched for a clear voice in the cacophony of shouted advice.

Warren swore he heard somebody in the stands yelling “Move! Move!”, meaning the world champion flyweight had the lead and should simply avoid getting punched to win. His coaches were screaming the opposite message from their ringside seats, because Warren actually trailed 9-8 and needed to attack.

In a painfully perfect illustration of what might be the U.S. boxing team’s biggest problem, Warren listened to what he thought his friends, family or teammates were telling him. It cost him a chance at the medal he waited four years to hang around his mother’s neck.

Warren spent the final moments of his second Olympics with his gloves at his waist Tuesday night, dancing in a pointless circle around the South Korean former world champion.The stunning loss—and the head-scratching way it ended—crushed the first two-time American boxing Olympian in 30 years.

“It doesn’t feel real,” Warren said, pulling up his red tank top to dry his tears. “I didn’t feel like I lost the fight, because I was fighting hard, doing everything the coaches were telling me. To get this far and then lose, I don’t even know what happened.”

After losing his first fight in Athens as a raw 17-year-old light flyweight, Warren declined pro boxing’s riches and stuck around the amateur game solely for a trip to Beijing and his desire to present gold to his mother, Paulette.

Instead, he got eight minutes of action capped by 35 seconds of awful confusion.

Warren didn’t even know he had lost until he heard the news from U.S. coach Dan Campbell. He threw his headgear in disgust before the tears rolled, though he later apologized for being “unsportsmanlike.”

“There was so much going on in the crowd,” Warren said. “When I just stood there at the end, I thought I was up. To wait this long, and then to lose after one fight …”

Warren broke into sobs again.

“I was confused about why he stopped (punching),” Campbell said. “He said he heard somebody saying to him to move (and avoid Lee). He was looking up in the stands. I don’t know what he thought they were saying.”

Earlier at Workers’ Gymnasium, Juan Carlos Payano of the Dominican Republic upset two-time Olympic medalist Jerome Thomas of France. A few hours later, China sent its fifth fighter through to the next round with bantamweight Gu Yu’s win over Joe Murray of Britain, who angrily blamed it on a judging bias toward the hometown fighters.

Russian bantamweight Sergey Vodopyanov also advanced—but Warren, a fellow world champion, won’t be joining him.

Warren was a medal favorite for the tumultuous American team, along with welterweight Demetrius Andrade, another world champion who barely won his debut fight Sunday in Beijing.

USA Boxing instituted a strict training program and revolutionary coaching methods in an attempt to return to prominence, but Campbell’s staff has been battered by complaints from the fighters’ parents and local coaches. Most of the boxers thought the residency program in Colorado Springs, Colo., was onerous, and some discounted Campbell’s coaching abilities.

The results of all that dissension might be showing up in Beijing: Warren’s loss follows bantamweight contender Gary Russell Jr.’s failure to make weight, along with early losses by Sadam Ali and Javier Molina. Just five U.S. boxers remain in the Olympic field, and Campbell described himself as “close to speechless.

“For him to lose could be disheartening for some of our other guys,” Campbell said. “That’s going to be our biggest fear. … I think they’re most definitely going to be psyched out. We have a psychologist around, and we’re going to make sure that she talks to this team, because I’m sure all of them are going to be psyched out by this.”

Warren, a Cincinnati native, was the youngest boxer at the Athens Games and the youngest male athlete on the entire U.S. Olympic contingent in Greece.

No American fighter had been on two straight Olympic teams since Davey Lee Armstrong in 1972 and 1976. Although Cuba, Russia and other nations send their best amateur fighters to multiple Olympics, most Americans don’t wait.

“He did what we would like to hope that other young boxers do,” Campbell said. “He stayed around for four more years, and … he worked so hard in our program.”

yeah, I have just seen that Warren fight and it was strange to see him circling the ring for the last 30 seconds when in fact he was behind. Thats the problem that open scoring can cause and why I hope it never catches on in the professional ranks.

Eventhough Warren didn't realise he was behind until the last 5 seconds I still felt he landed a solid scoring shot just before the bell which was missed by the judges.

He said he did what the coaches told him, but he clearly did not! What a fool, hahahaha. I don't feel for him, the dumb cunt counted his chickens before they hatched. This coach should also be sacked for not giving clear instructions and failing his other fighters, unless of course he gets a gold medal. Coaches in other sports face the axe when money has been wasted and these lot should be no different.

Where can i see the Warren fight?

By the way what happens when an amateur fight ends say ... 10-10?

The judges all quickly press their buttons for the ***** because he is at home and gave them good chop suey and prostitutes who are not on crack! They make sure they never have draws.

Where can i see the Warren fight?

By the way what happens when an amateur fight ends say ... 10-10?

I'm not sure if it is different at the Olympics, but if an amateur match ends in a tie then there is a three-tier system for choosing a winner:

1. Effective aggressor

2. Better defense

3. Style

Pretty much like going back to 10 points must system, but they score the whole fight.

Maf, shut the **** up about **** you don't know about already (which pretty much means anything boxing related...)!

If an am fight is tied at the end, they take every punch the judges have scored individually, subtract the highest and lowest score for each boxer, add the rest of them, and the fighter with most points win. If it's a 10-10 fight, the result will read 10-10+

As for circling because you think you're ahead when you're not, the open scoring actually prevents this (except if you're dumb and blind and can't communicate with your corner, in which case you're ****ed either way). In closed scoring, like the pros, you'll get an Oscar de la Hoya circling the last three rounds away, thinking that he's ahead of Trinidad, when in fact he loses the fight on those three last rounds. Had the scoring been open, that would not have happened (unless de la Hoya is as dumb and blind as Warren). Not suggesting they open the score, I'm just saying that if you want to critisize the am scoring, do it for the right reasons... :)

I thought with murray, he lost but he was slightly cheated with the judges. This might affected his confidence and nerves which could of been the outfall of the fight.

even if all his punches were scored he would of lost big time....plus one poster was right he was a ****y ****e at the end...he really annoys me and im glad he lost lol.

he needs to man up and stop moaning!! he lost

p.s. he has got a really girly voice...worse than david beckham!!

Maf, shut the **** up about **** you don't know about already (which pretty much means anything boxing related...)!

If an am fight is tied at the end, they take every punch the judges have scored individually, subtract the highest and lowest score for each boxer, add the rest of them, and the fighter with most points win. If it's a 10-10 fight, the result will read 10-10+

As for circling because you think you're ahead when you're not, the open scoring actually prevents this (except if you're dumb and blind and can't communicate with your corner, in which case you're ****ed either way). In closed scoring, like the pros, you'll get an Oscar de la Hoya circling the last three rounds away, thinking that he's ahead of Trinidad, when in fact he loses the fight on those three last rounds. Had the scoring been open, that would not have happened (unless de la Hoya is as dumb and blind as Warren). Not suggesting they open the score, I'm just saying that if you want to critisize the am scoring, do it for the right reasons... :)
You have comprehension problems. Feint was obviosuly on about AM bouts where they use the must system which is still common as club shows hardly have ****ing computers set up. What do you want a medal for knowing the Olympic method? It's been like that for years and it is dumb that they subtract the top and bottom judges. They should just take an average. As for the DLH fight, just like DLH did to Quartey everyone knows that was an obvious rip off. Even if you give Tito them 3 rounds it is plain to see he was boxed in the rest. That is why the IOC objected against that system, because of blind bias and daylight robberies as we saw in last Hopkins fight. Had nowt to do with him rnning, the judges had it in for him. Electronic scoring is not perfect either, but they argue at least Roy Jones would not have been robbed. Clear pisstakes like the Jones fight (DLH V Tito was the same!) would not happen with electronics, so they say.

p.s. Someone asked where you can see Rau'shee Warren being a dumb cunt. In US you can see it on NBC and in UK on BBC iPlayer. It is at 26 minutes of flywieght preliminaries.