Without discipline, you will not succeed. You cannot succeed if you do not practice, practice practice and also listen to those trying to teach you. GRRRRRR Our band sucks because kids are goofing off and the damn band instructor won't discipline them. He plays favorites and let's some get by with **** that others wouldn't even dream of doing. I am so pissed that I could spit nails. Every parent is paying $375 per kid in fees, then we have a trip to AZ that will cost $500 per kid. It's a waste of my money and my time to see this **** happen......... :cuss:

We are writing an anoynomous letter to the director and sending a copy to the principal. This is the third year in a row and my kids are ready to quit because of it. They don't want to quit, but they are tired of the **** that others get away with and they don't even try to do out of respect for the rules and the discipline needed to succeed. Our band used to bring home the sweepstakes awards (the best of show) and hasn't in three years. Us parents put in so much time and effort in watching, raising money, going on trips (last year's was a nightmare) and putting it all together for the kids and this is how they repay us. I don't expect them to win everytime, but they could at least put on a GOOD show!!! *spitting nails* Everyone duck!!!

what kinda band is this?
what do your kids play?
what do the others play?
what is the goal of the band and how is it not getting accomplished?

now if you could just apply this idea of discipline to your son's ass, he'd probably be better off....

the eyes have spoken

hahaha

Kill 'em all mom!

Originally posted by Purity
what kinda band is this?
what do your kids play?
what do the others play?
what is the goal of the band and how is it not getting accomplished?

High School Marching Band
One daughter plays French Horn (Mellophone in M. Band)
Other daughter is on the Color Guard
The goal of the band is to learn the music and march while playing it. They learn march in different directions in order to form "pictures".
They aren't learning it because the instructor lets some kids slide on the rules and it upsets the whole band.

I have to come up with $1,000 in order for my kids to join the band at the Fiesta Bowl in Dec/Jan. I want my money's worth of a decent performance. Is that too much to ask for?

Originally posted by Crystalline Dream
now if you could just apply this idea of discipline to your son's ass, he'd probably be better off....

LOL

I gave him a warning yesterday after school. I told him that if he gave me any more crap in the mornings before school started, he would get a treat when he got home. The sideways glance I got told me he understood the word "treat". He asked me what he would be doing. I told him he would get a bucket of hot water, oxyclean and a scrub brush. My driveway is dirty. Amazingly enough, he was very "calm" this morning. :) Hopefully this will continue. I pulled out the bucket, brush and oxyclean for him to see everyday. My next step is to go ahead and paint the (new) used furniture I bought for his room and if his room isn't clean by the time I'm ready to put it in there, I'm selling it and all of the car posters and everything else I got for him on the next weekend available. No more **** from the little ****. Thanks to all. I will kick his rear if none of this works. Please understand that I was abused and don't want to go that route, but getting pushed to that extreme.

I need a spanking

Take your kids out of band, put them on the corner with a upside down hat in front of them, that way they can make money instead of costing you money.....

Originally posted by Curly Howard
I need a spanking

Bend over:whipped:

Originally posted by kaps
Take your kids out of band, put them on the corner with a upside down hat in front of them, that way they can make money instead of costing you money.....

Not a bad idea....hmmm.....I wonder if I could get them to do that??:lol2:

Originally posted by madcrewmom
Bend over:whipped:

oooo baby

Originally posted by Curly Howard
oooo baby

You have been a very bad boy.

Anybody else weirded out by the old people cybering?

Originally posted by kaps
Anybody else weirded out by the old people cybering?

WHO ARE YOU CALLING OLD? MY DAD IS OLD!! I AM YOUNG!!

BITE ME DOUGH BOY!!!:grr: :grr:

OldER, I appologize.....

Originally posted by kaps
OldER, I appologize.....

Apology accepted. :)

Originally posted by madcrewmom
BITE ME DOUGH BOY!!!:grr: :grr:

My mom says Im big boned..... *Runs away crying*

Originally posted by kaps
My mom says Im big boned..... *Runs away crying*

You are big boned.....*hugs* sorry.

Originally posted by kaps
Anybody else weirded out by the old people cybering?

the thought of cybering in general kind of weirds me out actually

Originally posted by Crystalline Dream
the thought of cybering in general kind of weirds me out actually

LOL, prefer the real thing? Me too.:)

People are too afraid to hit their kids these days... especially in this country. Everyone is so ready to stick their nose in other people's business and liberals all jump up and down to their defence, it's disgusting really.

The reason **** wasn't as bad as it is today in our parent's heyday is because they're parents weren't afraid to give them an asskicking if it was required.

Not that I'm an advocate for child abuse or anything like that, I just think a healthy amount of respect, tinged with fear and discipline will reign an errant child in line.

To anyone who disagrees, you're just wrong.

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
People are too afraid to hit their kids these days... especially in this country. Everyone is so ready to stick their nose in other people's business and liberals all jump up and down to their defence, it's disgusting really.

The reason **** wasn't as bad as it is today in our parent's heyday is because they're parents weren't afraid to give them an asskicking if it was required.

Not that I'm an advocate for child abuse or anything like that, I just think a healthy amount of respect, tinged with fear and discipline will reign an errant child in line.

To anyone who disagrees, you're just wrong.

- J.

Just for the record, I have spanked my kids. I am just afraid of losing my temper to the point of abusing my son because he does push my buttons. Had a meeting with his teachers today and they are soooo much better than last years.......and he is doing pretty good so far too. Now if he will just clean his room so I can decorate it.:)

I can see why you'd be afraid to hit your kid (being abused and all) but a liberal beating when they're out of line and being downright insulting is all good.

There's a difference between being a smart arse and being full on rude and belligerent to your parent.

You can bet your ass if a kid talks **** to other people in the 'real world', they'll get a smackdown laid on them, prolly by someone less forgiving than you too. I see no reason why they shouldn't learn that lesson at home as well.

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
I can see why you'd be afraid to hit your kid (being abused and all) but a liberal beating when they're out of line and being downright insulting is all good.

There's a difference between being a smart arse and being full on rude and belligerent to your parent.

You can bet your ass if a kid talks **** to other people in the 'real world', they'll get a smackdown laid on them, prolly by someone less forgiving than you too. I see no reason why they shouldn't learn that lesson at home as well.

- J.

I agree with you. That's what we keep telling our son. That one day he's gonna say the wrong thing to someone that isn't us. And I'm gonna let them do what they gotta do. I'm really lucky with my girls. I get nothing but compliments on them outside of the home, so I guess I can put up with some crap here at home. THat's when you know you are doing a good job with your kids, they behave when you aren't there.

Kids need physical disipline. It might not be "politically correct", but to raise a child it is a requirment(sp?). I was a mean kid, and the only time i got the message was when my dad beat the wheels off of me. It didn't happen very often, but when I messed up big, i knew what was going to happen. I believe you should let your kids be themselves, but when they cross the line, let them know they have done wrong. One of the most important qualities in life is learning responsibility. Let the kids know from an early age if they mess up, they will be the ones held accountible(sp?again?). Because that is how the real world is.

Originally posted by prime cut
Kids need physical disipline. It might not be "politically correct", but to raise a child it is a requirment(sp?). I was a mean kid, and the only time i got the message was when my dad beat the wheels off of me. It didn't happen very often, but when I messed up big, i knew what was going to happen. I believe you should let your kids be themselves, but when they cross the line, let them know they have done wrong. One of the most important qualities in life is learning responsibility. Let the kids know from an early age if they mess up, they will be the ones held accountible(sp?again?). Because that is how the real world is.

All of you guys are right. And I have physically disciplined my son. I just wish any of you could stay here for a week and see how he gets at times. I've even used a board on his butt, only problem is it makes him angrier. Finding what matters to him is the hard part.......that's how you get to a kid. One daughter of mine is grounded from the computer and that is hard on her. The other one gets grounded from her b/f. She straightens up fast! Motivation is the key.

Find out what your son cares about and take that away from him.

Originally posted by prime cut
Find out what your son cares about and take that away from him.

I have.

It's as if we build an obstacle to stop him from behaving the way we want to, and he finds a way around it. He keeps changing. The hardest thing for me is when he says, "If I'm so bad, why'd you have me" I tell him that we didn't raise him to be bad. It's his choice to make those decisions.

He's gotta understand that he controls his actions and that actions and not just the intention is what counts. It's also an understanding of how those actions will affect other people that determines whether it's good or bad.

It's often hard for kids to grasp and even for adults - **** ask Arju about the stupid **** I've done from time to time. And it's not that I'm malicious, I sometimes don't get how the things I do can affect others. And it's a mistake we all make.

All you can really do is explain that parents just try to explain whats acceptable and whats not because society is a lot less forgiving (which is what Prime Cut is saying I believe).

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
He's gotta understand that he controls his actions and that actions and not just the intention is what counts. It's also an understanding of how those actions will affect other people that determines whether it's good or bad.

It's often hard for kids to grasp and even for adults - **** ask Arju about the stupid **** I've done from time to time. And it's not that I'm malicious, I sometimes don't get how the things I do can affect others. And it's a mistake we all make.

All you can really do is explain that parents just try to explain whats acceptable and whats not because society is a lot less forgiving (which is what Prime Cut is saying I believe).

- J.

You are right. I guess maybe I'm just frustrated with him because I didn't have this much trouble with my girls. I do try and let my kids be who they want to be within reason (ie: my girls are day and night, one is the surfer girl and the other one is more into heavy metal music and stuff) Maybe my son is just having trouble finding his place? I don't know. I just know that the harder I try with him, the more frustrated I get. I have gone into mean mom mode 24/7 with him and I hate it. There is no love shown, no tenderness, no affection, etc. when I go into that mode. That's not me and I don't like me when I do that. He doesn't like it, but he behaves so much better for a short time.

Ok, I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your son, but this is what i would reccomend. #1, I would make it very clear, from day one, that he would not talk back and would respect my judgement from now on. If he does't, get as hardcore as you can as far as a punishment. I don't know what he enjoys or likes to do, but take whatever that is away from him. Give him a set punishment, and stick by it. He seems to be strong-willed,so keep taking away things he likes to do. If taking away important things in his life doesn't seem to be working, you are going to have to have a dominant male force to INFORCE some sense into him. Trust me, a nice little whipping from pops will get the message across that that kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Something else is,hen he does something like you want him to, let him know, even if it is something simple. You just have to let him know that bad behavior id not acceptable. You have to scare your kids, at least in my opinion.

Originally posted by prime cut
Ok, I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your son, but this is what i would reccomend. #1, I would make it very clear, from day one, that he would not talk back and would respect my judgement from now on. If he does't, get as hardcore as you can as far as a punishment. I don't know what he enjoys or likes to do, but take whatever that is away from him. Give him a set punishment, and stick by it. He seems to be strong-willed,so keep taking away things he likes to do. If taking away important things in his life doesn't seem to be working, you are going to have to have a dominant male force to INFORCE some sense into him. Trust me, a nice little whipping from pops will get the message across that that kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Something else is,hen he does something like you want him to, let him know, even if it is something simple. You just have to let him know that bad behavior id not acceptable. You have to scare your kids, at least in my opinion.

Oh, I know. I just feel that everything that we have tried hasn't worked. At least not yet. I am open to suggestions. The problem is I've done just about all of it. Strong willed is an understatement for this kid. I have scared him. I have taken things away. I think that I am just plain tired of being his mom. If I could afford to send him, he'd be in military school. They have one in Carlsbad. Not too far from here.

Not trying to get to personal but it sounds like he needs a goo "talkin to" by his father.