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YUHHHHHHH!
08-12-2008, 12:07 PM
Why is everyone comparing this guy to top Heavyweights/top 10 P4P fighters all of a sudden? I've been seeing a lot of responses with people saying "Brock Lensar could beat Couture if-", "Brock Lesnar could beat Fedor if-", "Brock could blah blah blah."

Stop comparing him to top Heavyweights, that's the same thing that people did with Kimbo. We haven't even seen if Lesnar can take a clean punch (I sincerely doubt it) yet, and we certainly haven't seen him throw his hands outside of the single straight right that he threw against Herring.

Let's face it, Lesnar has proved to be a great wreslter, he can sit on top of you and put out mediocre damage. (compare the damage he did to an unresponsive Herring underneath him for the entire fight to what ANY Pride/Affliction GNP fighter would have done)

The post fight interview shows that Lesnar is still stuck in his "I AM A SUPERSTAR" ways. Bottom line is that Brock Lesnar is too mentally weak to be the next Heavyweight Champion. Stop riding College Wrestling nuts.

-Bricks

SnoopySmurf
08-12-2008, 12:13 PM
Lay Pray was his style.

At least he has enough skills and retard strength to hold his own.....for a while.

Naps
08-12-2008, 12:40 PM
I won't get on Lesnars balls, but I won't hate on him either. He's still an unknown quantity, and to beat Herring in only his 3rd MMA fight is admirable.

It's similar to the Kimbo hate. Ok, he's not gonna be a star, but why do people wanna see him get knocked out so bad? He's only earning money for himself.

Virgil Caine
08-12-2008, 03:28 PM
Why is everyone comparing this guy to top Heavyweights/top 10 P4P fighters all of a sudden? I've been seeing a lot of responses with people saying "Brock Lensar could beat Couture if-", "Brock Lesnar could beat Fedor if-", "Brock could blah blah blah."

Stop comparing him to top Heavyweights, that's the same thing that people did with Kimbo. We haven't even seen if Lesnar can take a clean punch (I sincerely doubt it) yet, and we certainly haven't seen him throw his hands outside of the single straight right that he threw against Herring.

Let's face it, Lesnar has proved to be a great wreslter, he can sit on top of you and put out mediocre damage. (compare the damage he did to an unresponsive Herring underneath him for the entire fight to what ANY Pride/Affliction GNP fighter would have done)

The post fight interview shows that Lesnar is still stuck in his "I AM A SUPERSTAR" ways. Bottom line is that Brock Lesnar is too mentally weak to be the next Heavyweight Champion. Stop riding College Wrestling nuts.

-Bricks

I'd say it's mostly a product of all the hype, even if he does have potential.

YUHHHHHHH!
08-12-2008, 03:32 PM
I won't get on Lesnars balls, but I won't hate on him either. He's still an unknown quantity, and to beat Herring in only his 3rd MMA fight is admirable.

It's similar to the Kimbo hate. Ok, he's not gonna be a star, but why do people wanna see him get knocked out so bad? He's only earning money for himself.

Because he falls into the category of the countless arrogant college level wrestlers who think they can become the champ by sitting on top of someone the whole fight and throwing a couple elbows for a decision.

I like to see the fighters who talk big, but don't have the balls to stand getting KTFO'd.

Virgil Caine
08-12-2008, 06:27 PM
Because he falls into the category of the countless arrogant college level wrestlers who think they can become the champ by sitting on top of someone the whole fight and throwing a couple elbows for a decision.

I like to see the fighters who talk big, but don't have the balls to stand getting KTFO'd.

I sort of agree with you. Brock has shown some heavy hands when he decides to punch, but he seems gun shy when it comes to trading, which is common for wrestlers. Hopefully he can improve his stand up and gain confidence in his striking.

th4l3pr3ch4un
08-12-2008, 06:49 PM
Why is everyone comparing this guy to top Heavyweights/top 10 P4P fighters all of a sudden? I've been seeing a lot of responses with people saying "Brock Lensar could beat Couture if-", "Brock Lesnar could beat Fedor if-", "Brock could blah blah blah."

Stop comparing him to top Heavyweights, that's the same thing that people did with Kimbo. We haven't even seen if Lesnar can take a clean punch (I sincerely doubt it) yet, and we certainly haven't seen him throw his hands outside of the single straight right that he threw against Herring.

Let's face it, Lesnar has proved to be a great wreslter, he can sit on top of you and put out mediocre damage. (compare the damage he did to an unresponsive Herring underneath him for the entire fight to what ANY Pride/Affliction GNP fighter would have done)

The post fight interview shows that Lesnar is still stuck in his "I AM A SUPERSTAR" ways. Bottom line is that Brock Lesnar is too mentally weak to be the next Heavyweight Champion. Stop riding College Wrestling nuts.

-Bricks


That was his third MMA fight... he is physically capable of going very far in this sport. And your talking about mental thoughness... you dont become Division 1 All American overnight. It takes lots of physical and twice as much mental strength that you can possibly have. The mental toughness argument is pathetic. I can see why you would call it a hype train at this point, i can see that argument because it is only one win. We will see in his future fights, he gained alot of experience last weekend, i see him only getting better.

KESSLER
08-12-2008, 07:00 PM
You obviously don't like Lesnar, and it's obvious you won't give him any credit either. He has had 3 MMA fights, 2 of them vs. Frank Mir and Heath Herring. He beat Herring very convincingly, and he is a veteran of the game. Lesnar is just a "College Wrestler". I can see this going uphill from Lesnar from now on, and you can't really say "It's the same thing they did with Kimbo". Kimbo has no stamina, zero ground skills and will lose to any good fighter he is gonna face. This is not YouTube, this is not some fat bums off the street you pay 20 bucks to fight on YouTube. Kimbo is lucky that he got a bull**** stoppage (which I think it was) against James Thompson. I cannot wait to see Kimbo get ****ed up. Lesnar on the other hand is an accomplished amatuer wrestler, fought Heath Herring and Frank Mir in 2 fights, that alone should rank him much higher than that bum Kimbo.

Sage84
08-12-2008, 07:44 PM
he is a hype job, that speaks for itself...someone with 2 MMA fights under their belt co-headlining a PPV.....course hes hyped, hes Dana's new money train.

In regards to his talent....well...hes a wrestler, and nothing much more unfortunately, he will produce bored lay and pray fights everytime he steps into the ring, he ll win a few, he ll lose a few (most likely against the BBJ guys as he still leaves his arms and legs in there ALOT).

I dont think i ll become a fan to be honest..to me hes ****y and very boring, i love watching a good BBJ "chess match" type fight, i love watching stand up, i love watch BBJ vs Stand up but his one dimensional right hand then charge and lay on top style is rubbish! but he ll beat alot of guys that way, hes just to big to get off! :dunce:

RisAri0
08-12-2008, 09:02 PM
he is a hype job, that speaks for itself...someone with 2 MMA fights under their belt co-headlining a PPV.....course hes hyped, hes Dana's new money train.

In regards to his talent....well...hes a wrestler, and nothing much more unfortunately, he will produce bored lay and pray fights everytime he steps into the ring, he ll win a few, he ll lose a few (most likely against the BBJ guys as he still leaves his arms and legs in there ALOT).

I dont think i ll become a fan to be honest..to me hes ****y and very boring, i love watching a good BBJ "chess match" type fight, i love watching stand up, i love watch BBJ vs Stand up but his one dimensional right hand then charge and lay on top style is rubbish! but he ll beat alot of guys that way, hes just to big to get off! :dunce:

I saw that also in the Herring fight...but then again Lesnar seems too smart to fall for it again, I'm thinking he's leaving his leg out to probly bait his opponent into a counter...either that or wants to test himself in predicaments he knows are challenging to him...iono, he just seems that way to me..I mean look at the guy, he's built like a true MMA specimen.

Equilibrium
08-12-2008, 09:13 PM
I mean look at the guy, he's built like a true MMA specimen.

No, he's built like a roid head.

Personally i don't mind him, he is extremely strong and he shows a lot of dedication towards his training. But right now if just fights like a typical greco-roman wrestler, and i can't stand that style, I think herring described his style perfectly he said something like "Brock is going to try to get on top of me and play donkey kong on my head." It's exactly what he did, and i tend to find those type of fight boring.

I want to see him again, agaisnt better competition.

vinnie7731
08-12-2008, 09:16 PM
the part that pissed me off about lesnar was at the end of the fight when he stood up early and ran away to celebrate and then laughed at herring. that **** is for the birds. his performance wasnt even impressive to me. he looks like a powerful wrestler at most. he seems to be a bit lost inside the cage. i know he's new to mma but when someone gives you their back a dozen or so times in a fight you should be able to sink in the rear naked choke. better yet, if you get mount 3 or 4 times, you should probably finish the fight. he just needs more experience

YUHHHHHHH!
08-13-2008, 06:07 PM
Stop comparing him to Kimbo. I give them both the same amount of credit/expertise. It takes a lot more balls/mental toughness to grow up in Dade County than it does to wrestle, no matter what caliber of a wrestler you are and that's real talk.

If you're going to give Lesnar props on being a college wrestler, wrestling people who could out-wrestle Kimbo, why don't you give Kimbo props for throwing hands with bouncers that could out-strike Lesnar?

Contradicting IMO.

Virgil Caine
08-14-2008, 03:47 AM
the part that pissed me off about lesnar was at the end of the fight when he stood up early and ran away to celebrate and then laughed at herring. that **** is for the birds. his performance wasnt even impressive to me. he looks like a powerful wrestler at most. he seems to be a bit lost inside the cage. i know he's new to mma but when someone gives you their back a dozen or so times in a fight you should be able to sink in the rear naked choke. better yet, if you get mount 3 or 4 times, you should probably finish the fight. he just needs more experience

I hear you man, I actually thought Brock gave a good display of hillbilly fighting the other night. However, I kind of thought he chose to have nothing to do with the chokes from the rear mount, as he had many chances to attempt a choke, and yet he passed up every chance. My guess is that he does not feel confident with leg riding due to his relatively short legs and relative pudginess. Regardless, he would definitely do well to improve his submissions. On that note, I'd like to see him gain some confidence in his stand up as well.

Naps
08-14-2008, 04:38 PM
give Kimbo props for throwing hands with bouncers that could out-strike Lesnar?

Contradicting IMO.

I don't hate Kimbo, I like him and respect him.

But......

I've never seen him fight a good striker, be it MMA or streetfighting.