This would be a guarenteed great fight. I personally feel that Ibeabuchi would be a little to skilled and tough for Liston.

Good fight, Liston hasn’t faced anyone as physically strong as Ike but Liston took a few good bombs of Williams who was a big puncher, and Ike took massive punches of Tua. I think it would be a close decision for Liston with his better jab being the deciding factor.

Good fight, Liston hasn’t faced anyone as physically strong as Ike but Liston took a few good bombs of Williams who was a big puncher, and Ike took massive punches of Tua. I think it would be a close decision for Liston with his better jab being the deciding factor.

Ibeabuchi had a good jab for himself but i can definitely see what you are saying, Liston having that kind of a reach on top of a hard jab would be problems for Ike. I think that Ibeabuchi's non stop effective volume punching and skillful inside game would be a bit too much. He reminded me of a bigger harder punching version of Evander Holyfield. Just relentless and consistant in his game even when hit. Liston didn't have that type of mentally and was not as multi dimesional the way Ike was. You have a good prediction though.

Liston's jab was a jack hammer, Ike's couldn't compare, but Ike's inside game would serve him well. On the other hand, Liston did have underrated evasive skills in my opinion. I'm going with Duffgun's close decision for Liston. Sure would be a grueling fight for him though.

Ibuchea would win. Ike is to strong and tough for Liston, Liston's jab was good if his oponents ran from him, but Ibuchea would be in his face throwing combos on the inside.

Ike wins. Liston was a monster, but Ike was a more polished, technical monster. Ike would be in for a brutal fight, though. Ibeabuchi by an 11th round KO caused by uppercut.

You simply cannot pressure Liston, he was not only a master at using his freakish reach but he simply had too many dangerous weapons once you did work your way inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_cvyvIqNvU

Ike had a busy left but there is no way he can beat Liston from the outside with his jab; he was too stationary and at points even outjabbed and easily countered from the outside by Tua. I haven't seen anything from that suggests he could pull an Ali.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ike-ibeabuchi-vs-david-tua-part-4/447166421/?icid=VIDURVSPR07


Ike's best chance would be to do the near impossible and beat Liston on the inside with his pressure. And while his workrate and durability could be enough to make it around Liston's jab a few times, he never clinched and ate tons of punches on the inside against Tua and the light hitting Byrd while Liston was deceptively tough to find. Is anyone really tough enough to stand up to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfDjWM3EtxU


I think Liston stops Ike or just beats the shit out of him all night. Ike was hurt by Calvin Jones and Tua in the 11th I believe, he demonstrated durability the one time he was tested but he wasn't unhurtable.

You simply cannot pressure Liston, he was not only a master at using his freakish reach but he simply had too many dangerous weapons once you did work your way inside.

Liston was dangerous, but he really lacked in the speed department and we have never seen him fight at the kind of a pace that Ibeabuchi could set. He normally sets the tempo of fights and Ibeabuchi would not allow that to happen as he was a master at controlling the pace.

Ike had a busy left but there is no way he can beat Liston from the outside with his jab; he was too stationary and at points even outjabbed and easily countered from the outside by Tua. I haven't seen anything from that suggests he could pull an Ali.

If anyone is being countered in this fight, it would be Liston. His left jab was telegraphed and Ike would have a field day at coming over top with his right hand or a hard jab of his own. I also wouldn't look to deep into the Tua fight. That fight was fought in close quarters and the two styles are completely different, and as you mentioned Tua had these moments ''at points''. Ibeabuchi out punched, out brawled and out boxed Tua for the majority of the fight. Also a prime David Tua was an excellent inside fighter with good hand speed. Nothing to be ashamed about, especially considering he (Ibeabuchi) had only 17 fights while Tua had about 27 and was unbeaten( as well as Byrd at the time). Tua is one of the best fighters that has never one titles. Hell, he knocked out about 5 future world champions in his time.

Chris Byrd was getting out boxed by Ike shortly before the stoppage. Thats when Ibeabuchi actually adjusted and started getting his game plan to work. We have to watch the entire fights and not just the begining.

Ike's best chance would be to do the near impossible and beat Liston on the inside with his pressure. And while his workrate and durability could be enough to make it around Liston's jab a few times, he never clinched and ate tons of punches on the inside against Tua and the light hitting Byrd while Liston was deceptively tough to find. Is anyone really tough enough to stand up to this?

Thats where Ibeabuchi would have his most success at, on the inside where Liston would have his punches smoothered and his outside boxing ability completely nullified and his power and reach negated. I remember boxing experts saying the exact same things before his fight with Tua and he was also the underdog going in. He really has a granite chin and is very consistant. Pre Ali Liston is use to having things his way and in the only fight that we seen him fight another's fight, he was throughly beaten. He was type that needed his opponents to box with him and to give him that distance to work from, which is why Patterson, Williams and Folley were decapitated. Liston went to distance with guys that are far smaller and had a lesser chin than Ike, what would he do against an agressive big beast that could take his shots and throw 4 or 5 more in combinations? He would be just as discouraged than with Ali becuase the bully would be getting bullied.

You always seem to bring up the Byrd fight, but need in remind you of what happened and who was ahead on the scorecards up until that point? Not only that but a prime Chris Byrd was one of the fastest and slickest heavyweight champions and becoming the second southpaw champion, on top of him being more accomplished than Liston achievement wise.


I think Liston stops Ike or just beats the shit out of him all night. Ike was hurt by Calvin Jones and Tua in the 11th I believe, he demonstrated durability the one time he was tested but he wasn't unhurtable.

Sorry but Ike has never been seriously hurt. I have rewatched his fights with Tua, Byrd, Ray, Jones ect all of the time and have never seen him even staggered badly. Of course you are going to be stunned if you are taking power shots from DAVID TUA for 10 hard rounds at a very fast pace, but not once did you see Ibeabuchi's legs go. Good run down even though i don't agree.

I think Liston stops Ike or just beats the shit out of him all night. Ike was hurt by Calvin Jones and Tua in the 11th I believe, he demonstrated durability the one time he was tested but he wasn't unhurtable.

Ha ha ha Ike was not hurt by Jones i have seen that fight, Ike was a bit stunned in the 11th against Tua but came firing back. I think Liston wins a fairly close UD but i don’t think he would just beat the shit out of Ike who was a solid technical fighter him self.

You simply cannot pressure Liston, he was not only a master at using his freakish reach but he simply had too many dangerous weapons once you did work your way inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_cvyvIqNvU

Ike had a busy left but there is no way he can beat Liston from the outside with his jab; he was too stationary and at points even outjabbed and easily countered from the outside by Tua. I haven't seen anything from that suggests he could pull an Ali.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ike-ibeabuchi-vs-david-tua-part-4/447166421/?icid=VIDURVSPR07


Ike's best chance would be to do the near impossible and beat Liston on the inside with his pressure. And while his workrate and durability could be enough to make it around Liston's jab a few times, he never clinched and ate tons of punches on the inside against Tua and the light hitting Byrd while Liston was deceptively tough to find. Is anyone really tough enough to stand up to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfDjWM3EtxU


I think Liston stops Ike or just beats the shit out of him all night. Ike was hurt by Calvin Jones and Tua in the 11th I believe, he demonstrated durability the one time he was tested but he wasn't unhurtable.

you need to think outside the box, It's pretty clear from watching Ikes videos he's a much better inside brawler and can hold his own. Liston won't be hurting Ibuchea even if he does hit hard, if Tua couldn't then Liston couldn't.

I smell a bit of old time bias coming from all your posts.

you need to think outside the box, It's pretty clear from watching Ikes videos he's a much better inside brawler and can hold his own. Liston won't be hurting Ibuchea even if he does hit hard, if Tua couldn't then Liston couldn't.

I smell a bit of old time bias coming from all your posts.i didnt read what he wrote about ike, because i dont bother with reading his garbage anymore.

one thing's that's interesting is that he said that rocky marciano was bigger than evander holyfield

he also said that rocky marciano would dust the klitschkos

and he said that roland lastarza would **** up tyson

that's pretty much is as extreme as you can get

I think Ike is a bit of a myth really. I'm not saying he wasn't a good fighter, I believe he had all the tools but we only ever saw him against two competitive fighters, a good boxer and a good slugger, both smaller, Tua in height, Byrd in weight. The Tua fight was very competitive, the Byrd fight was very impressive.

Who knows, he could've gone against Lennox Lewis and end up like Michael Grant... We know he had severe mental issues and could've done a 'Golota'.
There simply is not enough footage of the man for me to really make an 'educated' opinion about him.

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Ike Ibeabuchi vs David Tua highlights

ike had the tools and conditioning. He had good power but he was not a one punch ko artist. But it's easy to overate him.

Sonny had been a champion, and he became a champ at a very old age, something that's underated today. He had the size and strength of a modern heavyweight, he may have been just slightly above 200 pounds but he looked bigger than that

ike's best performances came againt byrd and tua. But when you think about it, with byrd's defensive abilities and his chin, he was still outweighed by almost 40 solid rock pounds, and a guiy who was bullrushing him from the start. The fact that byrd couldnt punch really did not work to his advantage

ike's fight with tua was close. Both men put a great performance, but tua was coming strong in later stages of the fight. The fight could have went either way to be fair.

also one things that's not mentioned is that ike could be hit. Liston had long arms, and he was very powerfull. something to think about

ike had the tools and conditioning. He had good power but he was not a one punch ko artist. But it's easy to overate him.

Sonny had been a champion, and he became a champ at a very old age, something that's underated today. He had the size and strength of a modern heavyweight, he may have been just slightly above 200 pounds but he looked bigger than that

ike's best performances came againt byrd and tua. But when you think about it, with byrd's defensive abilities and his chin, he was still outweighed by almost 40 solid rock pounds, and a guiy who was bullrushing him from the start. The fact that byrd couldnt punch really did not work to his advantage

ike's fight with tua was close. Both men put a great performance, but tua was coming strong in later stages of the fight. The fight could have went either way to be fair.

also one things that's not mentioned is that ike could be hit. Liston had long arms, and he was very powerfull. something to think about

David Tua is very underated, all his losses came from being to short / lack of reach. The fact that Ibuchea beat him by brawling says a lot.

In my Personal opinion Tua had more power, speed and a better chin than Liston, his only short coming was his reach, which allowed him to get out boxed sometimes. Ibuchea beat him by fighting, not by boxing. Liston can't stop that.

I think Ike is a bit of a myth really. I'm not saying he wasn't a good fighter, I believe he had all the tools but we only ever saw him against two competitive fighters, a good boxer and a good slugger, both smaller, Tua in height, Byrd in weight. The Tua fight was very competitive, the Byrd fight was very impressive.

Who knows, he could've gone against Lennox Lewis and end up like Michael Grant... We know he had severe mental issues and could've done a 'Golota'.
There simply is not enough footage of the man for me to really make an 'educated' opinion about him.


Ike could not only slug but he could box when he choose to as well. He had a hard snapping left jab and every punch in his arsenal. Just picture Evander Holyfield at cruiserweight but 230 pounds.That is Ike Ibeabuchi. Just a consisant durable skilled working machine that never stops coming .The fighters that he beat and the way he beat them really were impressive and even till this day it has not been done before. No one has never stood in front of a prime David Tua and out brawled him and no one has ever brutally knocked out a prime Chris Byrd. He was proven against the elite and he only had about 17 fights at the time going against guys that were not only unbeaten but also having over 10 more fights then he did. We can say that Ibeabuchi was overrated and would have eventually went insane ect, but we all know that he was a certified beast that was multi demensional and powerful. He was just a scary human being. He finished his career with 20 wins and 0 losses and was about a fight away from getting his crack at Lewis. That really would have been interesting.

I'll give Ike credit for his workrate, he was an amazing starter who could still keep up an above average pace in his two big fights. This is really how he beat both Byrd and officially Tua. Byrd with his defense first approach and the increasingly lazy Tua were both subjective to bigger busier punchers and Ike was a good foil for them in that regard.

Sorry, but I really just never saw any evidence of him being a great all round talent as being argued. He had a busy jab and a good left, but he wasn't really blistering quick and consistently accurate against Tua and obviously Byrd. It is also hard to guage his power since it could be easy to read too much into the Byrd knockout. True counter punching? Never really saw that from him as he was always constantly pressuring.

Durable? Obviously, he took some good shots in the last half of the fight from Tua though it should be noted that he kept the big left in check. I'm just not convinced anyone can stand up to the punishment Liston would be dishing out. I don't even think Chuvalo could.

For those who claim lesser fighters went the distance with prime Liston. Machen was the only fighter who lasted 12 once Liston hit his stride and that was by refusing to exchange and frustrating him. As we know, Ali pulled this off in his "wins" as well. Maybe Ike had that in him but it isn't something he showed in his two big wins. He was a pressure fighter with a busy jab but that don't work against Liston.