Have to go with Dempsey here.

Ali

bigger, faster, and took a punch better from far harder hitters. People forget that Jack been down for 17 + times. Eventhough he was already nearing the end he was massacred by Tunney twice. Those that didnt run into Dempsey gave him trouble.

i got nothing against Jack, he's a great fighter but i wouldnt include him in my top 10 list. He sat on his title for too long wasting on his ability, and for one reason or the other wouldnt defend against the best contenders who happened to be black

Ali would box circles around him, outpunching him, and probably stopping him late in the fight.

Ali


i got nothing against Jack, he's a great fighter but i wouldnt include him in my top 10 list. He sat on his title for too long wasting on his ability, and for one reason or the other wouldnt defend against the best contenders who happened to be black

Hahaha what is this, another racial post.

Have to go with Dempsey here.


Ali 100% would win

Dempsey was exciting but his opposition wasn't anything near Ali's

Hahaha what is this, another racial post.
how exactly is it racial?

how exactly is it racial?


I'm talking about what you said about Black fighters, who cares what color they were.

Ali 100% would win

Dempsey was exciting but his opposition wasn't anything near Ali's



How would it unfold?

It's possible, but an Ali win here would have to result in a seriously boring fight, with an extremely tolerant referee (Do to off the charts, excessive holding).

I'm talking about what you said about Black fighters, who cares what color they were.
you should have told that to Jack and Tex Rickard

for anyone who's familiar with history of boxing, it's common knowledge and fact that in those days Dempsey including his manager, as well as other white fighters, refused to give black contenders a chance to fight for titles, simply because they were black. Dempsey, among other popular champions like Jim Jeffries has been known to use n-words along with other nasty racist remarks when addressing black fighters

there was nothing racist about my comment, just a historical fact

How would it unfold?

It's possible, but an Ali win here would have to result in a seriously boring fight, with an extremely tolerant referee (Do to off the charts, excessive holding).


Dempsey wouldn't beat Ali. you just finished arguing with me about how Ali would box circles around Tyson, then there is no way in **** all that Dempsey beats Ali.

Dempsey is smaller than Ali, Dempsey is slower, Dempsey won't get 8 oz gloves

If Tunney beats Dempsey then Ali annihilates him.

In fact, that's almost insulting that you give Dempsey a chance, yet discredit Tyson and give him no chance at all, especially since he's better than Dempsey and fought better fighters. Jess Willard?? lol

In fact, that's almost insulting that you give Dempsey a chance, yet discredit Tyson and give him no chance at all, especially since he's better than Dempsey and fought better fighters. Jess Willard?? lol
i agree, not to take away anything from Dempsey, but Tyson, stylistically, as well as athletically would have a hell of a more chance at beating ali. Dempsey basically didnt know how to pace himself. He threw a lot of wide punches each of them meaning to club you to sleep, agressively in the first couple of rounds and then he's exausted. His long inactivity spells might have been a factor in that.

in the fight with Tunney, he didnt cut off the ring, he just chased him around. Tunney was a more advanced fighter of that era, so he was combining science and ring generalship, it was a style that i think confused him. Jack fought other boxers, but those like Gibbons who didnt rush him like Firpo took him the distance.

Im a fan of Jack, but he still had a caveman mentality, and that's not the way to beat Ali. i.e Foreman

Have to go with Dempsey here.

Two words, Gene Tunney. Both Tunney and Demsey are great and i have both of them ranked pretty highly as great heavyweights, but there nothing that Tunney could do that Ali couldn't. Ali was certainly a harder puncher and naturally bigger, and most importantly a better boxer overall. I would pick Ali by Ud or possibly late stoppage.

How would it unfold?

It's possible, but an Ali win here would have to result in a seriously boring fight, with an extremely tolerant referee (Do to off the charts, excessive holding).

A prime Ali didn't excessively hold. That was after exile when his most important tools had deteriated and he needed to hold becuase he would have been hit more.

you should have told that to Jack and Tex Rickard

for anyone who's familiar with history of boxing, it's common knowledge and fact that in those days Dempsey including his manager, as well as other white fighters, refused to give black contenders a chance to fight for titles, simply because they were black. Dempsey, among other popular champions like Jim Jeffries has been known to use n-words along with other nasty racist remarks when addressing black fighters

there was nothing racist about my comment, just a historical fact

I am not sure if Dempsey was so much to blame, Dempsey agreed to fight Willis and Doc Kearns arranged the fight but it fell through due to the promoter Kearns had arranged not having any money. Dempsey then approached Rickard to arrange a fight with Willis but Rickard refused to put a fight on with a black fighter but would promote a Dempsey Tunney fight.

A prime Ali didn't excessively hold. That was after exile when his most important tools had deteriated and he needed to hold becuase he would have been hit more.



No, I didn't mean he held excessiely in general, I meant i expected it would have to be a strategy in this fight.

Two words, Gene Tunney. Both Tunney and Demsey are great and i have both of them ranked pretty highly as great heavyweights, but there nothing that Tunney could do that Ali couldn't. Ali was certainly a harder puncher and naturally bigger, and most importantly a better boxer overall. I would pick Ali by Ud or possibly late stoppage.

Given a choice, I would put the Dempsey that was around before the three year lay off against Ali.


My pick is not quite set in stone for this one, but I believe the extent to which Gene had to brawl with Jack on the inside is underestimated in light of a simplistic boxer vs brawler analysis. Gene was not a brawler, but he had to exchange with Dempsey on the inside alot, something Ali never really wanted to do. I think a volume puncher like this would be hard for Ali, he has never faced one quite like this. Frazier came at Ali non-stop, but with nothing like the volume and speed that Dempsey would unload on him. Ali could tie up alot but eventually he would have to set down and try to box.

Dempsey wouldn't beat Ali. you just finished arguing with me about how Ali would box circles around Tyson, then there is no way in **** all that Dempsey beats Ali.

Dempsey is smaller than Ali, Dempsey is slower, Dempsey won't get 8 oz gloves

If Tunney beats Dempsey then Ali annihilates him.

In fact, that's almost insulting that you give Dempsey a chance, yet discredit Tyson and give him no chance at all, especially since he's better than Dempsey and fought better fighters. Jess Willard?? lol



Dempsey puts tons of punches together, and is a persistent, pressing fighter over the long hall, two things Tyson lacked. Ali's size would work to allow him to tie up Dempsey but it also makes him a bit easier to stalk. Tunney absolutely had to scrap with Jack on the inside alot during their matches. In part the times were different, even boxer-punchers were part scrappers because of how early in Boxing history we are talking (That's how guys like Jess Willard became pro-fighters in the first place). I don't know that Ali faced a swarmer with that kind of punch volume before. Obviously I would pick Tyson in a match against Dempsey though, it's all about style.