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realkaps
08-27-2003, 05:19 AM
From MMAweekly.com..... (www.mmaweekly.com)

Mainstream Ignorance of MMA Reaches All-New Levels

Transcript and Analysis by Ivan Trembow - MMAWeekly.com

The pending fight between Bob Sapp and Mike Tyson was featured prominently on Tuesday as the lead segment on ESPN's Pardon the Interruption, which is hosted by Washington Post columnists Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon. PTI is the highest-rated sports talk show on cable television, and consistently beats ESPN's flagship show (the 6:00 PM SportsCenter) in the ratings. Both hosts of the show spoke as if a Sapp vs. Tyson pay-per-view would be an automatic purchase for them without any question, but that's where the good news ends for K-1/MMA fans.

While they are usually hilarious and well-informed about just about everything, Wilbon and Kornheiser have never shown any knowledge whatsoever of MMA, or any desire to learn anything about it. No distinction was made on Tuesday's show between K-1 and MMA, with Bob Sapp referred to as the "K-1 fighting martial arts beast" and MMA acknowledged only as "this other fighting martial arts thing that Bob Sapp does." The sport of MMA is normally mentioned briefly on Pardon the Interruption once every few months, and it's always done in a negative way which suggests that Kornheiser and Wilbon don't know the difference between UFC 1 and UFC 40 in terms of rules and regulations.

Tuesday's show was the first time the hosts have ever talked about an MMA-related topic for an extended period of time, and it is now apparent that they don't even have a passing knowledge of the rules from the early day UFC's, as they said on Tuesday's show that low blows, headbutting, and biting are all legal in K-1/MMA rules. These statements represent more than just the usual mainsteam media misconceptions about MMA; this is actually spreading false statements about MMA to millions of people simply because no one on the PTI staff wants to do five minutes of research and learn anything at all about MMA.

Mixed martial arts fans should not tolerate this and should feel free to e-mail Pardon the Interruption using the e-mail address pti@espn.com. You can voice your displeasure that Wilbon and Kornheiser know nothing about MMA and have no desire to learn about it, or you can try to offer a basic explanation of what MMA is, or you can say anything else you want... but please keep it polite or it will only reinforce the stereotype about MMA fighters and fans being a bunch of savage brutes.

What follows below is a full transcript of the Tyson-Sapp conversation on ESPN from beginning to end by Ivan Trembow of MMAWeekly.com

Tony Kornheiser: You know, with today's show we could have started with a football story, we could have started with a baseball story, and we could have started with Pete Sampras' retirement... all worthy topics. But given the opportunity to go low, we do it! So we start with a report in the New York Times that Mike Tyson is giving serious consideration to fighting 6-foot-5 and 390 pounds' worth of Bob Sapp, the K-1 fighting martial arts beast. Wilbon, your thoughts on this potential red meat feeding frenzy?

(Wilbon laughs while footage airs of the Sapp-Tyson confrontation that took place after the Sapp-Kimo fight)

Michael Wilbon: Isn't he getting closer to fighting the lions, as you once said you would watch on pay-per-view?

Kornheiser: That's next. Absolutely.

Wilbon: You know, he has to do this...

Kornheiser: Because he has no money?

Wilbon: We know that Mike Tyson, at least 13 million dollars in debt and maybe more, has to continue to fight his way out of debt. And a lot of people would watch this. It would not... you know, I think this other fighting martial arts thing that Bob Sapp does, some of it looks like WWE, but this guy's huge.

Kornheiser: Let me tell you something. Everybody will watch this, but it depends on the rules. If you fight strict boxing rules...

Wilbon: Tyson is one round. One round and he knocks him out.

Kornheiser: Tyson would kill him, but if you have the other stuff going on...

Wilbon: You mean kneeing people in the groin? You mean that? Headbutting?

Kornheiser: What would happen is, Tyson would have to bite him. He'd have to bite him... but that would be legal.

Wilbon: Yeah, that would be legal.

Kornheiser: Now let me ask you this. What if Tyson said, "I'll fight your way, but you gotta give me a chainsaw"? What about that?

Wilbon: (laughs) That's not going to happen, but I'm thinking of Tyson possibly biting his ears off. An eye for an eye, a groin for a groin. This is... it's a circus, but this is what we've come to. This is what reality TV, and more and more bizarre sporting events, have led us to.

Kornheiser: Look at Tyson's head. Are you saying that Tyson doesn't even have enough money to put the other side of his head that way with the tattoo?

Wilbon: How much does it cost to do that?

Kornheiser: I don't know.

Wilbon: But we're going to watch this, and we're gonna like it.

Kornheiser: Oh, I'm going to watch it, but will this fight come off?

Wilbon: Yes, because Tyson has to fight. He needs the money. And Sapp wants to come and do something in this country that gets him some attention, and not just in Asia.

Curly Howard
08-27-2003, 05:23 AM
this is why we can't get any respect in the media. Morons like these 2 who can't take the time to at least look up the rules.

realkaps
08-27-2003, 05:24 AM
I think all of us MMA fans should do what he suggested.....

"Mixed martial arts fans should not tolerate this and should feel free to e-mail Pardon the Interruption using the e-mail address pti@espn.com. You can voice your displeasure that Wilbon and Kornheiser know nothing about MMA and have no desire to learn about it, or you can try to offer a basic explanation of what MMA is, or you can say anything else you want... but please keep it polite or it will only reinforce the stereotype about MMA fighters and fans being a bunch of savage brutes."

Curly Howard
08-27-2003, 05:26 AM
done but it's going to be hard not to call them idiots.

realkaps
08-27-2003, 05:27 AM
Momita should talk to them, lol.....

Kempo Chris
08-27-2003, 06:02 AM
sent

ronnie dobbs
08-27-2003, 10:34 AM
i say we hunt them down and chop off their balls with a rusty hedgeclipper but i think that may be illegal.

Tha Playa
08-27-2003, 10:39 AM
PTI is one of my favorite shows on tv, as I'm a fan of almost every sport. That being said, I was really pissed when I was watching yesterday with the lack of knowledge they showed for MMA/K-1. I do think everyone should e-mail them voicing our concerns. They have a segment on the show where they read e-mails from viewers and discuss them. I hope they are flooded with e-mails so that they will feel obliged to correct their false statements about MMA/K-1.

lightweight
08-27-2003, 11:19 AM
Sent one out, I hope they fix this on the air.

LukeDothSucketh
08-27-2003, 01:38 PM
e-mail has been sent...

VulgarTheClown
08-27-2003, 03:01 PM
this is what i wrote.


On the show comments were made about Mixed Matrial Arts and K-1 which are not true.

Firstly K-1 is kickboxing.

MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) is a hybrid of all fighting styles.


As for the comments made on your show about MMA they are horribly wrong and in my opinion slanderous.

Your show goes out to millions of people. People watch your show and take what is said as legit, well what was said about MMA was untrue and should be corrected and appologized for ONAIR!

things like:


Wilbon: Tyson is one round. One round and he knocks him out.

Kornheiser: Tyson would kill him, but if you have the other stuff going on...

Wilbon: You mean kneeing people in the groin? You mean that? Headbutting?

Kornheiser: What would happen is, Tyson would have to bite him. He'd have to bite him... but that would be legal.

Wilbon: Yeah, that would be legal.


Please, before doing a segment research the topic so as not to make yourselves look foolish.

Thank you,
Ben

mmafanman
08-27-2003, 03:07 PM
Obviously, they don't have much respect for K-1, or MMA at large for that matter. If they were good journalists, they'd do some research on the subject rather than make ignorant comments like the ones above.

lightweight
08-27-2003, 06:59 PM
They just read an e-mail from an mma fan on the air explaining how all that stuff was illegal. They still bashed it saying that you can kick a guy in the face, so lets not make it chess, how Tyson bit anyway in boxing so he'd do it there anyways, how they don't give a damn about mma, how it's ****fighting and blah blah blah they're *******s.

realkaps
08-27-2003, 07:15 PM
Just now? The ****in ******s.....

realkaps
08-27-2003, 07:24 PM
They said somthing along the lines of "MMA fans, stop with the Email Jihad." Keep it up boys......

realkaps
08-27-2003, 07:29 PM
More contact info......

e-mail address for Pardon the Interruption: pti@espn.com

e-mail address for Michael Wilbon at his Washington Post day job: wilbonM@washpost.com

e-mail address for Tony Kornheiser at his Washington Post day job: kornheiserT@washpost.com

e-mail address for Tony Kornheiser's radio show: thisshowstinks@espnradio.com (best to e-mail when the show is on because they read it live on the air)

Haru
08-27-2003, 09:40 PM
Haru sent out his distress signal. (politely-of course)

momita
08-30-2003, 12:06 AM
LOL, I sent a couple off soon as the show was over! I sent 2, I combined them both here!

I'm sorry that you have been misinformed about the facts of MMA, I happen to know, I'm a mom of a fighter & a big fan & I really wish you guys would check out the facts of things you inform the public. Or at least report the rules and basics correctly. I went to my sons first fight to discourage him from this sport..... but instead discovered a wonderful, exciting world full of qualified Athletes & sportsmanship!

My son does not go in there to hurt someone, he is competing against another highly skilled Athlete. Matter of fact, alot of them cross train, meaning they roll with each other as friends! At any event they can tap out at any time, plus the ref can stop it at any time when he sees a fighter not defending himself, & they are very good at what they do. They must be, have you read of any deaths or serious injuries of an MMA fighter?

No, because it hasn't happened.

This is not an email ji'had, it is an attempt to get sports reporters to stop misinforming the public. At least give true facts, even if you dislike the sport, please. My 3 sons were in more danger in our own backyard than what Ultimate Fighters do in a match.

the rules of MMA are at:

http://www.canuckles.com/mmafaq.htm

No Biting
No Eye-Gouging
No Head Butting
No Fish-Hooking
No Kicking while opponent is down
No Strikes allowed to the neck or back of the head.
No attacks to the spine


Rules and safety regulations vary from organization to organization. However, it is important to list some of the procedures and precautions taken to insure the health and well-being of the fighters at all times.

Here is a list of some general safety regulations that are used by many of these MMA organizations and help to insure the safety of all MMA practioners.

Padded Gloves are often used a means to protect the fighters hands from being damaged while striking.

Striking is almost never allowed to the back of the head, neck or spinal cord area.

There is no standing count when a fighter is knocked out. Once a fighter is unconscious, even if for only a second, the match is stopped immediately. Often times, the fight will be stopped even if the fighter is only in a daze.

Often there are events that do not allow kicking of an opponent while he is down.

The fight can and will be stopped by a doctor or referee if a fighter cannot intelligently or coherently defend himself.

The fighters cornerman can also throw in a towel, causing the fight to stop immediately if it is determined that a fighter cannot continue.

A fighter can tap the mat or his opponent at any time, indicating that he wishes to end the match and stop fighting.

Before a fighter competes, he is given a thorough examination by a professional doctor. The doctor will insure that the fighter is in good health and able to compete in this type of event.

In full contact matches, the fighters are usually tested for communicable diseases such as HIV and Hepatitis.

Since the inception of modern day MMA/NHB, there has only been one death that was associated with a fighter participating in this type of event. The name of the fighter was Doug Dedge and he was an American who was competing overseas in a Russian event called World Super Challenge. Apparently Doug Dedge finished the event, but died later at the hospital due to severe brain hemorraghing. It is important to bring up the circumstances related to the death of Doug Dedge. He is reported to have had a previous medical condition as he had blacked out several times during training. This condition was overlooked by event officials because of the lack of a qualified Russian sanctioning body that would have protected a fighter in this case had he fought in the U.S.

I hope this helps you to understand a little more of this wonderful sport, there are many great skilled Athletes out there involved who dedicate many long hours of training, did I mention heart? LOL.

With over 800 boxing deaths since first being recorded, Little League Baseball & Pro has over 29,000 injuries, 32 football deaths & thousands of injuries (high school & Pro). How about the weekend Warriors who ride ATV's in the deserts? Over 111,000 injuries, 300 deaths last year.

What these skilled & trained Athletes do in the arena, is safer than tennis or skiing, check the stats. I have lots of "facts" on injury & death rates of other less combative sports!

If you would like to attend an event, I suggest you go to the next UFC, where you will see a whole bunch of great fighters, live in Las Vegas at the Mandalay Bay, Sept 26th.


I would rather my son do what he is doing in the cage than what thousands of kids are doing on high school & college football fields daily, period. Sometimes admitting your wrong can be so hard..... Remember that old saying... Try it, you might like it?

Thank you,

mom of an MMA fighter & proud of it!

lightweight
08-30-2003, 02:26 AM
You write beautifully Momita, I love it.