It has begun. I am willing to put my money that this will be the first in many to come. Kill all those ****ers!

Saturday, August 23, 2003

Free Press News services


BOSTON -- Former priest John Geoghan, a convicted child molester whose prosecution sparked the sex abuse scandal that shook the Catholic Church nationwide, died Saturday after being attacked in prison.


Preliminary indications are that Geoghan was strangled, Worcester District Attorney John J. Conte said. An autopsy will be conducted Monday.

Conte said fellow inmate Joseph Druce, 37, attacked Geoghan shortly before noon Saturday. Geoghan died at 1:17 p.m., shortly after he was taken to a hospital, Conte said.


Druce is serving a life sentence and will face murder charges, Conte said.

The attack took place just after lunchtime at Souza-Baranowski Correction Center, about 30 miles northwest of Boston, Department of Correction spokeswoman Kelly Nantel said. Geoghan was being held in protective custody to shield him from the general prison population, but he still had some contact with other inmates.

The suspect was immediately placed in isolation and the incident was under investigation.



In civil lawsuits, more than 130 people have claimed Geoghan sexually abused them as children during his three decades as a priest at Boston-area parishes. He was convicted last year of indecent assault and battery for fondling a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool.



In September 2002, the Archdiocese of Boston settled with 86 of his victims for $10 million, after pulling out of a settlement of about $30 million.



His prosecution helped uncover a string of child sex abuse cases that shook the Catholic Church around the world and forced Cardinal Bernard Law to resign as Boston's archbishop late last year.

The church abuse scandal, which has had repercussions worldwide, broke in early 2002 with revelations that the Boston Archdiocese had shuttled Geoghan from parish to parish despite warnings about his behavior. The scandal mushroomed after a judge ordered the release of archdiocese files involving dozens of priests, showing repeated examples of the archdiocese shipping priests to different parishes when allegations arose. Dioceses and bishops across the country soon came under scrutiny for their handling of abuse allegations over the years. More than 325 priests of the 46,000 clergy in the United States were either dismissed or resigned from their duties in the year after the Geoghan case.

David Clohessy, national director of the Chicago-based Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said what made Geoghan's case more "than just a single case about a single predator'' was that it revealed the corruption in the church.

"In many respects, Geoghan is not the pivotal figure. It's the people who he wounded and still came forward and the bishops who enabled him but were finally exposed,'' he said.

Geoghan was ousted from the priesthood in 1998 at Law's urging.





Mitchell Garabedian, an attorney for many of Geoghan's victims, said he was "surprised'' by Geoghan's death.

"Many of my clients would have rather seen Father Geoghan serve out his time in jail and endure the rigors of further criminal trials, so that his pedophile acts could have been exposed further,'' he said.

He said Patrick McSorley, one of Geoghan's best-known victims, broke into tears at the news. Another, Ralph DelVecchio, said Geoghan deserved prison but didn't deserve to be killed.

"He was in jail -- that's where I believed he should be. ...It's over with."

The Archdiocese of Boston described Geoghan's death as "tragic.'' One of its spokesmen, the Rev. Christopher Coyne, offered prayers for Geoghan's family.

thank GOD that ****in nasty bastard deserved all of it, i hope he died a misurable death!



So how are you Kato??? By the way baby Ana is the soooooooo Cute.:)

Pretty good, trying to get inspired to finish the stupid newsletter for the gym I work for...I am not feeling it. How are you doing? I can't believe how big Ana is already...she dances all the time, she bounces constantly lol.

The priest that confirmed me is actually in jail for the same thing, he was always touchy feely, you know the kind that hugs you for a longgggg time. I was freaked out when I seen him in the news. I hope they all die

Yeah my daughters new thing is telling on my son and when ever we are in the car, my daughter moves her head back and forth to the music, so far her favorite songs are "Eminem-Till i collapse and Chingy-One call away, she loves to dance, BUT she is growing up sooooooo fast...







Explan more!!! A priest from your town is also in jail for the same thing, this other priest was in jail for?????

God how scary.

why the hell is the word "CAR" underlined in my last post???

Yeah... isn't that insane. When all the hoopla broke out, alot of people came out and told what had happened to them years ago. He was one of the priests here in Detroit to be placed in jail. Abstinance is not healthy man, its against all that God has created I hope the Catholic church realizes what a mistake it is.

i am Catholic, and i think that religon should be forgottin, so many perverts!

I was born in to the Catholic religion, and even though I do believe in God I do not believe in religion.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats how i am.



By the way, what sign are you??

I am a Sag with the moon rising in Leo..Fire Fire baby

I hope the dirty bastard died with ands around his throat and a dagger in his ass

my kids dad is a Leo, and a very big pain in the ass, Im a Gemini so i get along with very few people..

He got what was coming to him. Agony, why are you listening to Chingy?

i love chingy, im gonna send a letter to BET tell them my best friend Billy has a tumer in his nutsack and is gonna die soon, (knock on wood) and his last dream is to meet Chingy and Nelly.

How can you like a cheap Nelly rip off? Nelly is bad enough, but I thought you had standards.......

Originally posted by AgonY^x0
i am Catholic, and i think that religon should be forgottin, so many perverts!

rrrright!!!! blame the religion.... and not the person.

Originally posted by Kato
I was born in to the Catholic religion, and even though I do believe in God I do not believe in religion.

right so you believe in a god that was taught to you through religion.... but you dont believe in religion

that is the biggest contradiction ive ever heard ever, you cant have one without the other.

you cant just go make up your own belief system..... your not god and god hasnt given you anything proof to say otherwise.

You can serve only one master God or the Devil... i guess your choices are pretty clear.

he deserved what he got period

Religion is the humanity's poison...

Good stay in your hell priest Geoghan...

Originally posted by astroboy
right so you believe in a god that was taught to you through religion.... but you dont believe in religion

that is the biggest contradiction ive ever heard ever, you cant have one without the other.

you cant just go make up your own belief system..... your not god and god hasnt given you anything proof to say otherwise.

You can serve only one master God or the Devil... i guess your choices are pretty clear.

Those are your thoughts and belief and whatever rocks your boat darling. God and Religion are not the same. Religion is man made there for it can NOT be PERFECT, every religion has been modified to fit a certain individual. Your ignorance is a bit sad. No matter what religion you are, or what you believe in, the basic values are the same. Do no harm to others, be kind, do not judge, etc...I can go on my OWN belief system you dumb ass that is why this is a free nation. I do not have to belong to a religion to go to "heaven" or be morally good person.

Originally posted by astroboy
you cant just go make up your own belief system..... your not god and god hasnt given you anything proof to say otherwise.


This comment right here about PROOF is quite contradicting...there is NO proof that God even exists...you choose to believe or not. There is NO proof of anything so where are you getting at?

Life in its self is proof....

Something created this?

Listen I believe in God, but being alive is not proof for many, its not palpable... who says I am not God, I am part of him right? created in his image? The thing about faith is that you choose to believe in what you will, some have faith that we are related to the monkey and that there is a scientific explanation for humakind. Some people do not even think about it or care to know.

To believe in a god and not the church is called being Agnostic. Believe it or not, ( no pun intended ) Being agnostic is quite commen. My whole family is religous and has no love for the clergy.

I myself, am an athiest.

as for the priest, thats what happens to pedophiles in prison. At least for his sake, he didnt die like Dahmer.

Originally posted by astroboy
right so you believe in a god that was taught to you through religion.... but you dont believe in religion

that is the biggest contradiction ive ever heard ever, you cant have one without the other.

This is probably the most ignorant statement made in these forums. Pretty naive of you, young man.

Religion is for children. When the brain dies, our consciousness ceases to exist. End of story. That is all she wrote. The Bible is a primitive writing that has outlived it usefullnesss. It blows my mind that otherwise seemingly intelligent people could believe that some sort of Super being exists, much less doesn't regard us as insignificant as we regard and ants and cares how we live out our lives lol!!! Do you people think any other living vreature besides humans even has a concept of god? I don't, why? Because someone made him up. God and religion are stupid. Constructs created to control the weak....

thank you

I didn't mean that post to be harsh at you Kato, just the concept of religion. Some of my fav people are religious. It just blows my mind that so many people are ready to believe in something so unlikely rather than accept the likely, that there is nothing after death and that the question to how we got here is pretty much unanswerable. I mean I guess I can see WHY people do it, as my views are pretty cold and uncomforting when the **** goes down and I'm hurting, but personally I just can't force myself to believe in something that seems so silly and impossibel to me just so I can believe a more comfy lie and that things happening are part of some master plan from a diety that is still all pissed off about "something that happened" thousands of years ago and isn't evolved enough emotionally to get over it. The biblical God is vengeful and insecure. How can a master being be such an emotional and needy wreck?

I also believe more in science and evolution then Religious explanations. Although you never know so its always good to keep an open mind. Its so deep, the idea of the complex system of life as an accident is hard to swallow for some. Like the Earth forming from random gasses and coincidentally constructing a planatarium that is circular and-self suffcient. As an example, the food chain by itself can feed every living organism (with exception to us) from Micro scopic to vastly large without fear of exhausting food supply.

living creatures breathe carbon monoxide which trees absorb and convert to oxygen which we breathe to CM again. Evolution has proved that life can evolve to its surroundings. I have a hard time that all this happened by accident and by circumstance the system works perfectly. No system developed by man is perfect yet this one is. It makes you wonder.

The fallacy in your view Aaron, is that you are confusing an unanswerable question with proof that there is God. Two totally different things. Just because we don't know how the world came to be doesn't mean that some divine power created it, just means we probably need a few more thousnad years to figure **** out, if that's even possibe.

Originally posted by Blue Dawg
I didn't mean that post to be harsh at you Kato,

I was not being sarcastic love, lol it was from the heart.

I choose to believe in a greater being because throughout my life I feel that I have been witness to certain situations. I do understand where you are coming from...When I was 6 I told my grandma (who almost died at the moment) that grown up made up God so children would behave...lol it took me 3 times to get my first communion straight because nothign made sense and I refused to believe in a merciless god...

I went to Catholic school too, I went to first communion and confirmation before I came to my senses. And to be honest, I WISH I could believe. Like I said, the down side of believing what I do is that it offers no comfort, answers or hope when tragedy inevitably occurs.

its a choice... I guess if you look through another looking glass things will seem different. The reality is that life itself is a miracle, color, sense, innocense, love, humility... we have the gift of free will.

WE dont need gods. Crom has given us all we need to survive, WILL and STRENGTH- Conan

Originally posted by Whoremaster B
WE dont need gods. Crom has given us all we need to survive, WILL and STRENGTH- Conan

Yep.

Originally posted by Kato
its a choice... I guess if you look through another looking glass things will seem different. The reality is that life itself is a miracle, color, sense, innocense, love, humility... we have the gift of free will.




that's not neccisarily true not everyone in the world has free will look at afghanistan and iraq before we went and took over no one there had free will

Originally posted by Kato
its a choice... I guess if you look through another looking glass things will seem different. The reality is that life itself is a miracle, color, sense, innocense, love, humility... we have the gift of free will.

I agree with all of that except for possibly free will. I think all of our actions are biologically predisposed. We only think we're choosing, but our wiring is influencing our decions. And if there is an omniscient, omnipotent God, he would know EXACTLY what we were going to "choose" the minute he created us, inevitably creating people just for hell. The concept of God and free will cancel each other out.

Originally posted by Blue Dawg
The fallacy in your view Aaron, is that you are confusing an unanswerable question with proof that there is God. Two totally different things. Just because we don't know how the world came to be doesn't mean that some divine power created it, just means we probably need a few more thousnad years to figure **** out, if that's even possibe.


I wasnt using it to "prove" there is a God. But you will here scientific explanations using the term "Mother Nature" or just "Nature" as a substitute for God it seems.

I.E. Nature made it so that creatures without long enough necks to reach the high branches evolved to have elongated necks.

and with that I ask what is "Nature"? The explanations refer to nature as a sentient being that knows what the animal needs to survive and changes it. so maybe a definite answer may eventually arise but for right now even it seems science has its own sort of diety.

Well, now we're talking sematics aren't we? If you wanna call the life giving sun or the catalyst that caused the big bang or mother nature God, than I guess you could....I see your point about nature though, I just think of the Biblical god when someone says God, unless they explain otherwise, like you just did. I do think that nature seems to have the characteristics of a sentient being though.

I just find it very strange sometimes how creatures evolve to thier surroundings over time. so when I hear about a thoughtless insect that has adapted to drink water in the desert by standing on its head to let water congeal on its body and roll into its mouth it makes me think sometimes. Insects cant learn, they are like living machines that are genetically programed what to do. Until over time the genetic structure changes and now the once suffering species has an ingenious way to survive.

I wouldnt jump to the conclusion that it was a sentient thought that fixed this problem but SOMETHING had to see a flaw in the system and change the design.

Yeah, it's wierd but life does seem to find a way....I am certainly not opposed to the idea that there is an intelligence at work in nature. I wouldn't call it God though. At least not the way he is portrayed by religion.

without religion there is no concept of the "one god"

there were cows and goats....

kato, if you believe in GOD as in a christian god who is good then you are contradicting yourself by saying you believe in something that was taught from religion.... but ignore the rest.... so by saying you believe in god but not religion makes you not religious making you a non believer. its the whole thing or go start your own sect.

hence the saying you can only serve one master. I could go on to explain this in agonizing depth and going through theology books etc..etc.. but the fact remains god and religion go hand in hand
since the first religions that is how it was and how it always shall be, you are not a catholic otherwise ... you might be baptisted but you turn your back on everything that is catholic by denouncing it.

whores of babylon / global

hahahaha you psycho... go back to your narrow minded sheltered home. Its people like you that ruin all that is good. Your righteousness makes you no different then those psychos in 9/11 you are so set that your way is the right way that you are willing to step on all that believe differently then you. I have seen priests and nuns with brand new cadillacs while the poor starve to death, I have seen how men cheat on their wives or abuse their daughters and then go to Church and confess and become “forgiven” for the week until next Sunday arrives. HYPOCRITES

Man I can almost bet you are from SC

it doesnt matter what youve seen. Its called faith if you dont have any thats sad and its to bad you cant see past your own opinions

And why judge people because of what they drive or what they do.... people make mistakes, some worse then others. Instead of all the looking out look within to become a better person.

Having faith in God has nothing to do with having faith in a man that says he talked to God. In all honesty I know better then to keep this conversation with someone that claims to know the "truth" of God while calling people whores of Babylon, you shame me for passing judgment on Priests and Nuns but you are not any more accepting of those that do not believe in what you believe in. I wonder how accepting you are of other cultures, races etc, I wonder if you have any contact to people outside your own safety net group.

As the caththolic priest are so fond of saying, what happens in the rectal, stays in the rectal...