Whats more important- That what you believe is right, or that whatever you believe, you believe it with all of your being?

I'm not sure, but I'm trying to grow spiritually and this quandry occured to me.

I say that whatever you believe, you believe with all your being.

Being true to yourself is more important IMO than living up to anyone else's expectations or trying to adopt someone else's morals

That's what I think too. Even though I don't agree with alot of religious people, I envy the undying faith that so many of them have.

It could be my cloudy thinking atm, but that the two questions being asked do not seem comparible....

- J.

I'm only asking 1 question, what scenario is more important?

The second one is more important then.

- J.

You are right...it is your cloudy thinking!

Originally posted by seldomTap
I say that whatever you believe, you believe with all your being.

Being true to yourself is more important IMO than living up to anyone else's expectations or trying to adopt someone else's morals

I agree, but that could also fall under believing in what is right. Can't you do both? Believe that you are right with all of your being?

You can. For instance, I would say that 95% of my own beliefes are what are generally thought of as good beliefs, this is influenced by my folks and all the other formative stuff that goes on in childhood and subsequent growth.

but how can you ever learn and grow if you always believe in something and never listen to outside influence or others beliefs

I guess in my case it the grass is always greener on the other side scenario. In my search for truth, I've found that I greatly envy people that have an unwavering faith in their religion or beliefs, so much so that they are willing to die for it.

martyrs will never know if they're right ot wrong, if there is such a thing because they are unwilling to waver. Guess I'm glad I don't feel that strong about too many things that I'm not willing to listen to what someone else has to say.

Originally posted by Curly Howard
martyrs will never know if they're right ot wrong

Can you prove that? And I don't mean that in a condescending way, but I don't think anyone can really know that.

That's why I said if there is such a thing. If there really is a true right or wrong or just what we think is right. Actually I guess if you truly believe you're right and not willing to listen to others then you're right.

OK, I took the if there is such a thing as talking about martyrs.

Right/wrong- that's where it all starts and ends right there.

This is way too deep for me to be reading with bronchitis onsetting, six hours sleep, at 2300 hrs.

- J.

But who is to say what is right and wrong? there is no such thing. Its like the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

my head hurts from thinking

ok they are both the same options essentially, because when you believe something deeply then you think it is right or else you wouldnt maintain it in your belief/value/moral system with in you.

you cant have one without the other..... even ppl who do harm ie: terroists think its "right" and still manage to maintain deep faith. .... but with terrorists it has also become a scapegoat or excuse/justification for their actions... they have become so twisted that their blind faith has condemed alot of ppl.

Originally posted by seldomTap
I say that whatever you believe, you believe with all your being.

Being true to yourself is more important IMO than living up to anyone else's expectations or trying to adopt someone else's morals

IMO I think believing what's right is most important.

You can believe with all your being that airplanes can't fly, but the truth of the matter is they can and no matter how much you believe that, it doesn't change the truth.