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gandhalf

07-21-2008, 12:39 AM

Here's something interesting. Some guy over at the boxing forum said:

"there are hardly any black MMA fighters..the ones the were are champs (silva) or were champs (jackson)"

In the thread titled "White fighters are taking over Boxing "

Which is bull****. And that's the sad thing about 90% of people who are watching this sport.

In reality , this sport has some striking resemblance to soccer. (not the sport itself of course) but by the racial makeup. MMA is one of the most racially diversified sport you can imagine.

But it is easy to think that "there's just whites" since Dana White and his monopoly of the sport gives you a distored vision of the entire mma scene.

Some basic facts.

In this sport. Some of the most dominant fighters are

Kid Yamamoto (asian - japanese)
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (latino Brazilian)
Anderson Silva (black brazilian)
BJ Penn ( from Kailua hawaii - american)
GSP (french canadian)
Fedor emelianenko (russian)

These guys are part of the P4P list...you can't argue and say that it ain't diversified.

The problem is that most none white participants aren't generally fighting in the # 1 american mma org (which happens to be the ufc). Although they're making an effort.

Pride fc (before the scandal) had one of the most international mma scene imaginable. They used to reflect how the mma scene truely was.

In mma , if you look at all orgs , (not just america)....You'll notice lots of mullatos , blacks (who generally come from brazil)...Lots of japanese fighters (who are almost absent in the ufc) , some latinos , some eastern europeans & of course , white americans.

Hell , i'd go even as far as to say that if we compare Ali's or Tyson's or Wlad's competition to let's say...Nogueira you'll notice that Nog's competition is WAY more "international"

Go ahead , do the experience. Take a look at foreman's or ali's record.
90% if not 95M% of their opponents ? born in america
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=000180&cat=boxer
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=000090&cat=boxer
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=007035&cat=boxer

Modern HWs have to deal with a bit more diversified scene though.
(remember , russians used to be banned from participating several years ago)

Let's compare shall we ? Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira had to deal with opponents coming from:
America
Brazil
croatia
Japan
Poland
Russia
canada
Netherlands

Think that's a lot ? Fedor had to deal with opponents coming from:
America
Korea
New Zealand
Brazil
Croatia
japan
trinidad
lithuania
england
bulgaria
georgia

of course , when the average fan doesn't know any better , and discovers mma via Liddell (for example)...He won't see too much of that "international" scene.

Liddell , for example fought guys from
america (of course..and lots of them)
brazil
armenia
netherland

Kakutogi-Gumi

07-21-2008, 01:31 AM

People are dominating MMA.

A lot of them.

aristotlemoses

07-21-2008, 03:51 AM

People are dominating MMA.

A lot of them.

for real.. too many race threads.

1bad65

07-21-2008, 07:33 AM

People are dominating MMA.

So true. Notice all these people hung up on 'MMA=white people' bs always overlook the large number of Brazilian fighters in MMA.

Don Corleone

07-21-2008, 10:17 AM

So true. Notice all these people hung up on 'MMA=white people' bs always overlook the large number of Brazilian fighters in MMA.

Wow, where have you been. LOL. But I agree with you. I hate getting that, "are you a redneck" comment just because I watch MMA. I'm always having to defend myself and the people who watch it when saying "No i'm not, but some are". People who do and don't watch it have no respect for what it's really about.

It's not about two people on the ground "dry humping" each other or two guys brawling punch for punch in the ring. It's way more then that and the average fan and ignorant viewers have to realize that...It's a number of different combative arts that have been here for many years and made into one mixed martial arts style, (hence MMA) which people don't understand...It wasn't created by Dana nor is it just for white people...

To the thread maker- good thread but I would have taken out the "black and white" option and just added American since it plays out better for arguements sake...

sunthunder

07-21-2008, 11:09 AM

Yeah there are a lot of people who are almost willfully ignorant about MMA.

I mean it's only relatively recently that MMA has become big in the US, people who make comments such as "MMA is a sport for white guys" have absolutely no idea about the history of the sport, as for a very long time it was dominated by Japanese and Brazilian fighters, and those countries were the main hotbeds for MMA.

QuebecSTAR

07-21-2008, 11:22 AM

i don't give a **** about their race.
i only care about good fighters.

jakkups

07-21-2008, 12:06 PM

Exactly, the best fighters are dominating because they're are the best, colour has **** all to do with it. Bringing one's race into question with regards to sports in general is sad and played out. Surely people as a whole hav come further along than that instead of having to create discussion based on ideologies that are old and ignorant.

787

07-21-2008, 05:44 PM

^ sad, yes. but its not going away anytime soon. even though everybody is mixed with something. still seen as black,white,asian. doesnt matter i'm half this,quarter that, just b,w,a.

Liaison

07-21-2008, 08:01 PM

Human race...

the traveler

07-29-2008, 11:53 AM

Gandhalf brings up a good point, illustrating the diversity of MMA. I think the UFC markets to the redneck american whites in this country and that is probably why there is less diversity in their organization compared to Pride and other orgs.

White american males needed some outlet to express their manhood, wether directly or by living vicariously through others. Due to blacks and latinos dominating the popular sports of the times, there was a lot of held back rage and testosterone in white males.

This is my theory. I'm not sure if UFC created this marketing strategy, but I think that maybe once that they saw the amount of white males that were gravitating to their sport that they began fostering the growth of white fighters and champions and they were their preferred champion.

Guys like Chuck Liddell, Randy Coutoure and others are helped build mma's popularity in the united states.

Kakutogi-Gumi

07-29-2008, 03:42 PM

the traveler

07-29-2008, 04:30 PM

Why don't you offer an explanation of your own, using your brain, rather than just copying a thoughtful post that I made and posting nothing with thought?

Kakutogi-Gumi

07-29-2008, 08:22 PM

them_apples

07-30-2008, 05:00 AM

:argue:Here's something interesting. Some guy over at the boxing forum said:

"there are hardly any black MMA fighters..the ones the were are champs (silva) or were champs (jackson)"

In the thread titled "White fighters are taking over Boxing "

Which is bull****. And that's the sad thing about 90% of people who are watching this sport.

Thats me you are quoting, and its true, the UFC is marketing white Males regardless of what country has been housing MMA for years. If a Division like the UFC has a light heavyweight champion called "Forest Griffin" then you know its just a marketing scheme. I don't believe he's the best light heavyweight in the world. I truly don't, there are plenty of hungry fighter's in 3rd world countries that would do anything to make 500k a fight, and Forrest Griffin, some American redneck with no skills is the champ?

BOLLOCKS

07-30-2008, 07:11 AM

Bums dominate MMA.

Afterglow

07-30-2008, 11:27 AM

:argue:

Thats me you are quoting, and its true, the UFC is marketing white Males regardless of what country has been housing MMA for years.

The UFC is an American based company.

The Majority of people in America are white.

The majority male in this country is White.

That withstanding. I still don't see how there actually marketing towards white males.

How many white males have been LHW champ compared to non white males?

If a Division like the UFC has a light heavyweight champion called "Forest Griffin" then you know its just a marketing scheme. I don't believe he's the best light heavyweight in the world. I truly don't, there are plenty of hungry fighter's in 3rd world countries that would do anything to make 500k a fight, and Forrest Griffin, some American redneck with no skills is the champ?

Yep his name is a marketing scheme.

They were working with his parents while he was still in his mother.

sunthunder

07-30-2008, 01:30 PM

:argue:

Thats me you are quoting, and its true, the UFC is marketing white Males regardless of what country has been housing MMA for years. If a Division like the UFC has a light heavyweight champion called "Forest Griffin" then you know its just a marketing scheme. I don't believe he's the best light heavyweight in the world. I truly don't, there are plenty of hungry fighter's in 3rd world countries that would do anything to make 500k a fight, and Forrest Griffin, some American redneck with no skills is the champ?

Oh come on. In Forrest's past two wins, he beat Shogun when Shogun was considered the number one light heavyweight and one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, and when he beat Rampage was considered the number one light heavyweight, and again, one of the best pound for pound fighters in the sport.

He doesn't have the best skill set in the 205lb division, but he pulls out good performances through hard work and smart game planning. To say he has no skills is just ridiculous.

Palma

07-31-2008, 03:34 AM

nice research, but very odd subject matter.

American_Ninja

07-31-2008, 04:42 AM

the traveler

07-31-2008, 08:35 PM

You're sitting in the answer.

Quick. Name me a major wrestling institute in an urban area.

You can't.

Name me an institute in a largly rural area.

Minnesota
Iowa
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Ohio St.
Arizona St.

Why is SoCal and Big Ten territories also MMA hotbeds?

Because they offer opportunities to wrestlers.

Talk about not understanding geography. Ohio State is not a major wrestling institute in a largly rural area. Ohio State University is in the middle of Columbus, Ohio, which is currently the 15th largest city in the United States. Large public universities don't usually set up shop in "rural" areas.

And, I don't see how your post disproves my theory that white males gravitate towards MMA because it is an outlet for them to express their manhood. If anything, your post supports my claim by labeling those areas as rural areas, which are mostly white areas, and by pointing out how MMA gives the athletic males of those areas different venues to compete professionally.

Stormin' Norman

08-13-2008, 07:56 AM