Based on the new format rebranded comp that started in 1992/93 season.

Rafa's first four season's in comp:

2005: Winners
2006: 2nd Round
2007: Runners Up
2008: Semi Finalists

Fergie's first four seasons in comp:
1993: Did not Qualify
1994: Second Round
1995: First Round (Group Stages)
1996: Did not Qualify


I would say it look slike he has acheived more in a short time and has spoiled the prawn and cucumber generation who want instant gratification and titles like it was a ****ing SMS! He acheived in ten months what 'Sir' took 13 years to get. Nobody ever thought the Prem was more coveted until he did the unthinkable, one night in Istanbul. Even now it is only more coveted by us! Rafa is the best and he is taking us in right direction. He will become another Paisley and will overshadow the chequebook manager that took 13 years. Discuss.

What about the League?

What a coincedence that you don't mention the Premiership :rolleyes:

All this proves is that Liverpool are a cup team :lol1:

Rafa has to win 10 Premier league titles to overshadow Fergie and seeing as you're the worst club out of the top 4, it's not going to happen.

Based on the new format rebranded comp that started in 1992/93 season.

Rafa's first four season's in comp:

2005: Winners
2006: 2nd Round
2007: Runners Up
2008: Semi Finalists

Fergie's first four seasons in comp:
1993: Did not Qualify
1994: Second Round
1995: First Round (Group Stages)
1996: Did not Qualify


I would say it look slike he has acheived more in a short time and has spoiled the prawn and cucumber generation who want instant gratification and titles like it was a ****ing SMS! He acheived in ten months what 'Sir' took 13 years to get. Nobody ever thought the Prem was more coveted until he did the unthinkable, one night in Istanbul. Even now it is only more coveted by us! Rafa is the best and he is taking us in right direction. He will become another Paisley and will overshadow the chequebook manager that took 13 years. Discuss.

who cares the format of the Champions League is ridiculous anyway how can u be Champions of Europe when u aint even Champions of England and u finished 4th to even qualify for the comp

lets see if Rafa Benitez can win the Premier League next year cause he has got no chance mate ,man for man Liverpool have inferior players compared to Man Utd ,Chelsea and Arsenal

Benitez was lucky to win the title with Valencia its only because Carlos Quiroz Real Madrid choked at the end of the season thats how he managed to win the League in Spain, Rafa defensive football 4-4-1-1 aint gonna win the Premier League it may win him a few cup competitions but good sides are measured by Consistency over 38 games IE the Premeir League winners

Why don't you compare how much they spent in those first seasons as well. That should be a laugh.

Discuss

You're a bit of a clueless twat really aren't you kid

Hes just a silly alt pretending hes spanish n ****, pure muppet

Why don't you compare how much they spent in those first seasons as well. That should be a laugh.Hahahaha. Muppet!
Rafa only bought Garcia for 5 and Alonso for 10.5 in his first season and was 6th biggest spender in leage behind even Spurs and Newcastle that year. It would be a laugh when you see it in comparison to what Fergie spent compared to others!. Prices have been inflated since 90's anyone knows this! Your logic is flawed. I can bet my left testicle Manure were not the 6th biggest spenders inleague when he came in. They spalashed out on Pallister for a few mill which was unheard of back then.

What about the League?I know it will come very soon.He has won 2 La Liga's breaking the domination of Spain's old firm. At the time, spain had a stronger league than EPL. Outside the big four, they still have more strenght in depth. Look at the gaps in points going down all the way to ten when Barca beat the *******nal in 2006.

What a coincedence that you don't mention the Premiership :rolleyes:

All this proves is that Liverpool are a cup team :lol1:

Rafa has to win 10 Premier league titles to overshadow Fergie and seeing as you're the worst club out of the top 4, it's not going to happen.We finsihed third last year, closed gap this year and *******nal have won nothing in three years. I doubt we are the wrost. consider that Rafa was under artillery fire for two months in winter, he has done really well an is taking us in right direction.

As for what you say of Fergie, it will come son! BTW it took fergie 7 years before lifting the title and winning his first major trophy(there are only two majors as far as I am concerned, so don't go on about his Rumbelows Cup!). Rafa took 10 months! Overshadowed already!

who cares the format of the Champions League is ridiculous anyway how can u be Champions of Europe when u aint even Champions of England and u finished 4th to even qualify for the comp

lets see if Rafa Benitez can win the Premier League next year cause he has got no chance mate ,man for man Liverpool have inferior players compared to Man Utd ,Chelsea and Arsenal

Benitez was lucky to win the title with Valencia its only because Carlos Quiroz Real Madrid choked at the end of the season thats how he managed to win the League in Spain, Rafa defensive football 4-4-1-1 aint gonna win the Premier League it may win him a few cup competitions but good sides are measured by Consistency over 38 games IE the Premeir League winners
ROFL! What a sore and bitter hater!He only won it because someone else slipped up. That usually is the case in all title races! This year the *******s slipped up and Manure did not. Also, how was he lucky when he won it again? Get your fcts right, he won it twice and the second time it was a double! I know for a fact he will do it again. He is a genius and a true legend. Paisley part 2! Imagine what he would do if he had the fat chequebooks. I don't think he needs it. You don't have an answer for the fact that he has made bigger strides in a shorter amount of time. You can't deny thegenius of winning with Traore and Houlliers team + only 2 Spaniards.

Rafalution forever! YNWA.

ROFL! What a sore and bitter hater!He only won it because someone else slipped up. That usually is the case in all title races! This year the *******s slipped up and Manure did not. Also, how was he lucky when he won it again? Get your fcts right, he won it twice and the second time it was a double! I know for a fact he will do it again. He is a genius and a true legend. Paisley part 2! Imagine what he would do if he had the fat chequebooks. I don't think he needs it. You don't have an answer for the fact that he has made bigger strides in a shorter amount of time. You can't deny thegenius of winning with Traore and Houlliers team + only 2 Spaniards.

Rafalution forever! YNWA.

Arsenal spent much less than Liverpool yet they still finished ahead of you :lol1:. You guys splashed big last season and where did that leave you? That's right 4th position

You know he'll do it again but ever since he came to England he hasn't even come close to winning the League.

ROFL! What a sore and bitter hater!He only won it because someone else slipped up. That usually is the case in all title races! This year the *******s slipped up and Manure did not. Also, how was he lucky when he won it again? Get your fcts right, he won it twice and the second time it was a double! I know for a fact he will do it again. He is a genius and a true legend. Paisley part 2! Imagine what he would do if he had the fat chequebooks. I don't think he needs it. You don't have an answer for the fact that he has made bigger strides in a shorter amount of time. You can't deny thegenius of winning with Traore and Houlliers team + only 2 Spaniards.

Rafalution forever! YNWA.


u can enjoy winning the CL all u want fact is u are not gonna win the PL while Benitez is their and that what u really want LMAO

u won the CL but u finished in 4 th place in the league and how many points behind the Premier League champions ever thought that Liverpool had an adavantage over Man Utd ,Chelsea ,Arsenal cause they were out of nearly all competitions by Christmas and were therefore allowed to rest players where as the other teams were still competiting for other competitions and playing the full strength sides week in week out

Cup competitions can be won by any team [ Porto ,Greece .Pool ] a lot of it is down to luck Liverpool got dominated for nearly the whole game for all but 9 minutes of the game , Dudek was coming a mile of his line for the pens and was not pulled up about it ,Shevchenko missed from 5 yards out , Liverpool also had the goal that was never was against Chavski ,they were also going out untill Gerrard scored against Olympiakos

Liverpool were just damn lucky but lucky teams do not win Premier Leagues that why they aint got no where near it and aint likely to and that is why Man Utd ,Chelsea ,Arsenal are still seen as better sides regardless of Pool CL win

this is what u really want but u aint good enough :wave:

http://www.geocities.com/lfcman_1/trophy.bmp

Hahahaha. Muppet!
Rafa only bought Garcia for 5 and Alonso for 10.5 in his first season and was 6th biggest spender in leage behind even Spurs and Newcastle that year. It would be a laugh when you see it in comparison to what Fergie spent compared to others!. Prices have been inflated since 90's anyone knows this! Your logic is flawed. I can bet my left testicle Manure were not the 6th biggest spenders inleague when he came in. They spalashed out on Pallister for a few mill which was unheard of back then.

Your logic is flawed as well pal because the Champions League is a much larger competition now and back then they weren't dishing out places to teams who finished fourth in the league.

If the Champions League was like Ronseal and done exactly what it says on the tin Rafa and Liverpool would never have qualified for it!

Your logic is flawed as well pal because the Champions League is a much larger competition now and back then they weren't dishing out places to teams who finished fourth in the league.

If the Champions League was like Ronseal and done exactly what it says on the tin Rafa and Liverpool would never have qualified for it!bull****. They knew what they needed to get in just like LFc in 70's and 80's but were simply not good enough to do it. Even since then, how many has he done? LFc won all of theirs in style, not like scroungers in sudden death and not gifted by a **** dickhead like Terry.

I didn't read Terribles long winded reply because I know it is all hating and bull****. You can't take it, Rafa has made bigger strides in a shorter time and everyone is scred of him. he did so well last year even though he was at one point a lame duck manager until we saved him! We all aw what Jol did in same situation.

Some other dickhead said at some point that LFC o not have as good players as other big four clubs. ROFL! If that was the case then Chel**** and the *******s would have won it in Istanbul! The blue****e would not have lost three semi finals in a row, and the *******s would not have **** their pants at the Kop end either. You're all jealous because we are sick in Europe and the comment is bull**** when you look at our players down the middle: Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Mascherano, Lucas, Alonso, GERRARD, TORRES. WTF, that is as good as you'll get anywhere in the world.

The only areas where that statement is true is wide areas (Jermaine Pennant, LOL!). But now Rafa has added Dossena, Dagen and hopefully Silva too. I know you do not watch Bundesliga or Serie A, but them two full backs are sick machines. If Silva comes too or some added firepower up front or in wide areas then it is all over!


YNWA Barry. Rafalution forever!

Pool are the 4 th best team in England and the stupid format of the CL does not make them the best team in Europe cause they won a ****ing cup competition lol it just means what i just stated that the format of the CL is bull

Liverpool are Boring and they play defensive football and that works for them in the CL cause they can stiffle good sides and pinch a goal when they are at Anfield ,however this is the very reason why they will never win a Premier League title cause that defensive football is not conducive to win the Premier League on top of that Rafa thinks
Aurellio ,Gonzalez,Palletta ,Zenden ,Pennent ,Arbeloa are sufficient quality players to have in your squad

what kinda idiot lets Riise go and keeps Arbeloa ,Aurellio LMAO

Pool are the 4 th best team in England and the stupid format of the CL does not make them the best team in Europe cause they won a ****ing cup competition lol it just means what i just stated that the format of the CL is bull

Liverpool are Boring and they play defensive football and that works for them in the CL cause they can stiffle good sides and pinch a goal when they are at Anfield ,however this is the very reason why they will never win a Premier League title cause that defensive football is not conducive to win the Premier League on top of that Rafa thinks
,Gonzalez,Palletta ,Zenden ,Pennent ,are sufficient quality players to have in your squad . Oh I forgot he got rid of most of them and Pennant is on his way too. Considering the budget he was not a bad buy for reinforcement on very rare occasionswhat kinda idiot lets washed up Riise go and keeps versatile euro champArbeloa ,sweet left foot but often injured Aurellio LMAO Plus he replaced Riise with a better consistent player in DossenaI stopped reading when you say we are 4th best even though we have humilated Wenger three times in a week and ****ed over MAureen three semi finals for three consecutive seasons in the comp that all Europe covet and especially LONDONERS who have never won it. The nderlined bits you wrote an the parts in bold prove how retarded you are!

I stopped reading when you say we are 4th best even though we have humilated Wenger three times in a week and ****ed over MAureen three semi finals for three consecutive seasons in the comp that all Europe covet and especially LONDONERS who have never won it. The nderlined bits you wrote an the parts in bold prove how retarded you are!

how many points did u finish behind Arsenal ,Chelsea in the league ?

like i said 38 games is how u judge a side not one off games where u can be lucky enough to get away with a goal that never was against Chelsea and a blatent penalty claim when Hleb was clearly hauled down in the Box

a retard is some one who thinks one off games or a winning a European Cup makes them the best side in Europe when the league table clearly illustrates they are not even the best team in England infact far from it they finish 4th lol :wave:

Again another load of bollocks.

this is why kopites really are gob****es. in rafa's first season he spent close to 50mil.

how many points did u finish behind Arsenal ,Chelsea in the league ?

like i said 38 games is how u judge a side not one off games where u can be lucky enough to get away with a goal that never was against Chelsea and a blatent penalty claim when Hleb was clearly hauled down in the Box

a retard is some one who thinks one off games or a winning a European Cup makes them the best side in Europe when the league table clearly illustrates they are not even the best team in England infact far from it they finish 4th lol :wave:Bull****! We play 17 games in Champions League (do the maths cunt) so it is hardly a sprint if the Prem is a Marathon. More like a half marathon and you don't go up against Derby and Stoke. You play the best in Europe. In short we are too goo at beating top teams but need to lenr how to raise our game against **** teams too. That is what the league is about. Beating **** teams too. Problem with LFC is we are full of big game players. That is why we are going for Baz and trying to flog the much more skilfull Alonso. Balance to the force!

Also, bect in UK and best in Europe can and has been two completely different things!

this is why kopites really are gob****es. in rafa's first season he spent close to 50mil.

He only had two of his own players starting in Istanbul. Alonso (10.5mill) and Luis Garcia (6mill). Learn how to count *****! You are the gob****e mate. People like Cisse(14mill) were actually purchased by the outgoing Houllier.

Who let the REDS out? Who, Houllier!!! ROFL.

Bull****! We play 17 games in Champions League (do the maths cunt) so it is hardly a sprint if the Prem is a Marathon. More like a half marathon and you don't go up against Derby and Stoke. You play the best in Europe. In short we are too goo at beating top teams but need to lenr how to raise our game against **** teams too. That is what the league is about. Beating **** teams too. Problem with LFC is we are full of big game players. That is why we are going for Baz and trying to flog the much more skilfull Alonso. Balance to the force!

Also, bect in UK and best in Europe can and has been two completely different things!



He only had two of his own players starting in Istanbul. Alonso (10.5mill) and Luis Garcia (6mill). Learn how to count *****! You are the gob****e mate. People like Cisse(14mill) were actually purchased by the outgoing Houllier.

Who let the REDS out? Who, Houllier!!! ROFL.


38 >>17 ****ing idiot lol

those 17 games were spread out aswell and they were able to rest players cause they were not competitive in the league ,face it Cup Competitions are luck son thats why Greece won Euro 2008 ,Porto CL

your CL win means Jack u are the 4 th best team in lol so how can u be the best in Europe

38 >>17 of europes finest ****ing idiot lol

those 17 games were spread out aswell and they were able to rest players cause they were not competitive in the league ,face it Cup Competitions are luck son thats why Greece won Euro 2008 ,Porto CL

your CL win means Jack u are the 4 th best team in lol so how can u be the best in Europe

Hahaha, what a bitter loser! Let me guess, you support a London team that has never won it, and NEVER will!!! Yeah, they really are top quality. BTW, Porto are sick and took Manure to school. They also had half the Portugese team at the time who went on to that final V Greece who gelled well as a team. LFC went back to the final after winning it. AC Milan have also been to a few finals reently. So much for you bull**** theory of LUCK. It is gob****e son, bitter gob****e.

One More Time For You Bitter Fools. Two of The Big Four Have NEVER Ever Ever Won Big Ears! It Is Too Hard For ****net Pricks. It Is All About The Cajones.

38 games :wave:

38 games, I AM BITTER FROM TAKING IT IN THE ****TER. OK I AGREE LIVERPOOL HAVE WON EVERYTHING ELSE AND I CANT FORGET THAT! :wave:

EUROPE'S FINEST:wave:

The league is so much more difficult to win than any cup competition. Liverpool do well in the Champions League because by the time the knockout stages come round there already out of the title race so Benitez can rest his best players. I also point out there is a certain degree of luck with cup competitions and imo Liverpool have had the rub of the green in the past few years in the CL.

EUROPE'S FINEST:wave:

Europes finest who finished 4 th in the league LMAO

out of every other Comp by January

Europes finest who finished 4 th in the league. I MEAN THEY FINISHED 5TH AND 3RD IN THE YEARS THEY GOT TO FINALS!!! LMAO

out of every other Comp by January CHELSEA AND ARSENAL HAVE NEVER WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. IT AIN'T LUCK BUT A LACK OF CLASS! :wave:

The league is so much more difficult to win than any cup competition. Liverpool do well in the Champions League because by the time the knockout stages come round there already out of the title race so Benitez can rest his best players. I also point out there is a certain degree of luck with cup competitions and imo Liverpool have had the rub of the green in the past few years in the CL.
YOU MAKE YOUR OWN LUCK! You sound like a bitter ****ney prick! It is your own fault that your fans are boring and could not lift the players. You would have apoint if it didn't happen so often against the biggest clubs in Europe:

Arsenal
Chelsea x2
Inter Milan
AC Milan
Juventus
Barcelona
PSV Eindhoven who have won it more than London Clubs!
FC Porto who spank Manure!

Yeah, Rafa is a lucky lad if you say so. A bit like Fergie in the League! (after 7 years on the job, not 10 months):wave:


YNWA. RAFALUTION FOREVER!!!!