this has been debated for years
but it never has been here
both in their primes of course
who will win between these 2 great champs

most people would say that ali would box circles around him but uh uh. not a prime mike. u people forget how fast he was. once mike got his shots in it'd be over. then u would say nah ali's defense is too good. he open in some places and tyson is known as probably the most devastating puncher in history.

speculation is difficult because you have to consider many things. However, when tyson arrived and started KOing everyone (and im speaking of the young motivated tyson of 86-87), i think even a prime Ali's skills would be obsolete compared to Tyson offense. Ali had a very durable chin but tyson would just keep attacking like a bull. Ali would not have known how to handle that.

this has been debated for years
but it never has been here
both in their primes of course
who will win between these 2 great champs

are you kiddin me?
this thread comes up here atleast once a month
its boxings period

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hahahahaha LOL :D:D:D

Ali would have danced around mike for the first 3 rounds poppin him with the jab and tying him up until he felt mike starting to get tired and then he would step it up hitting mikes one dumbmensional ass with everything in the book until tyson quits like he does when he knows he can't win.... remember Tyson was the youngest but Ali is "The Greatest".....
Less talk about a better matchup who would win between sonny liston and young george foreman?

Ali was to 'pretty' to lose to Tyson.

Ali would box Tyson silly. Yes he would dance around, kept MT at a good distance with his jab...frustrating him...he wont do the rope-a-dope though, but i'd see him shoe-shining a confused Tyson in the late rounds...and Ali's gonna make a better job KTFOing him than Buster Douglas.

Ali would have no problem with Iron Mike - anyone who ever watched Ali and watched Tyson knows this.

I think even Tyson would say the same thing if asked.
You all know Tyson has no stamina, never has...

I used to think this was a slam dunk (i.e. for Ali) but now I'm not so sure. After re-watching Tyson ***** slap and literally torture Terrell Biggs to tears, it makes me wonder. For those of you who don't remember, Biggs was about as close to Ali in terms of style and skills as anyone ever was...

There is no evidence that Tyson could knock Ali out early(from Ali's career) and Ali had amzing skills and fits the mould of the blueprint of how to beat tyson. Ali on points

What a load of crap, if Ali can cope with Forman pounding on him continiously then he can cope with Tyson, to be fair I don't think Ali would have even bothered trying to neutralise Tyson that way I think he would have just taped away at Tysons weak jaw for fun until Mike wentt blotto, Tyson's defence would never repel Ali's class.

Tyson won most of his fights before he even got in the ring but if there was one person he was not going to intimidate it would be Ali, I don't even see it as being close. Ali would make a fool of him. End of story.

What a load of crap, if Ali can cope with Forman pounding on him continiously then he can cope with Tyson, to be fair I don't think Ali would have even bothered trying to neutralise Tyson that way I think he would have just taped away at Tysons weak jaw for fun until Mike wentt blotto, Tyson's defence would never repel Ali's class.

Tyson won most of his fights before he even got in the ring but if there was one person he was not going to intimidate it would be Ali, I don't even see it as being close. Ali would make a fool of him. End of story.
totally agree ali would never be intimidated by tyson,
tyson loses by dq after ali torments the life out of him.

Tyson would have no problem walking through Ali's jab, and I believe Tyson can land a big enough shot to put Ali away.

You have tgo realize that Ali studied his opponents. He would know what Mike would do.
Tyson would hit Ali a bit early but he`d have taken it. Ali`s dancing would save him and take Mike past 5 rds. Tyson may slow Ali down with early assaults but i thing it would be the heart of Ali and the fact Tyson hasn`t got the guts and heart to fight a war with Ali, Ali by Dq or late stoopage!

Less talk about a better matchup who would win between sonny liston and young george foreman?

Man, what a sweet fight that would be. I see Foreman taking it, based on what he did to Frazier. Liston threw them with the best of'em but he even bristled at Ali's punches (and I'm not just talking about the Phantom Punch...Ali was near knocking the man down a few times in their first match).

As long as Foreman could take a punch or two he'd be fine. I know he went down to Ali as well but that was late in the game. Liston would make himself an easier target for Foreman so he could put him down in the early rounds. I say Foreman KO 4.

Muhammad Ali, corse.

i like to agree with this statement

I used to think this was a slam dunk (i.e. for Ali) but now I'm not so sure. After re-watching Tyson ***** slap and literally torture Terrell Biggs to tears, it makes me wonder. For those of you who don't remember, Biggs was about as close to Ali in terms of style and skills as anyone ever was...


Someone other poster said this a few months ago. Biggs was a pale kleenxe imitation of Ali . . . not nearly as strong, inventive, well balanced, or could take near the punch of Ali. To say they are similar is insane . . . Biggs tried to copy Ali's style but the comparison ends there . .

ali wins by late stoppage or UD

What is the point of this thread?.......and yes it has been debated here before.

Yep this threads been here b4 and its only going to get one answer out of me Ali all the way. (Tyson fans reply) but what about tysons power. Ali has been in with some of the heaviest punchers in HW history. I dont have to name them do I.

I could see either winning it but I'd lean towards Tyson. Those who say he would shake off Tyson's power need to have another look at the Henry Cooper fight - Ali was gone, and if that had been Tyson instead of Cooper it would have been over.

100-th time - Ali by UD.

OMG this is ridculous. EVERYONE stop bringing up the henry cooper incident, it was a freak incident that rarely occured in Ali' career. Ali didn't often step into a left hook. It was the young relatively naive inexperienced 21 yr old Cassius Clay that fought cooper not the great Muhammad Ali that we look back at in awe. Now when comparing lets use Ali in his prime(1967) who had developed his skills and still retained his foot and hand speed. Ali withstood poundings from Foreman and frazier in 1974 - after he had lost alot of his hand and footspeed due to his ban from boxing. HE had a chin of steel that withstood punishment from frazier and forman, he would have no prob with tyson when he was in his prime. Infact i doubt he would have to withstand much punishement from tyson as the prime Ali with his exceptional footwork would have no problem keeping his distance against tyson who wasn't great at cutting off the ring. Ali with his superior ring smarts would find to many ways to adapt and neutralize Tyson. I believe its tysons mental weakness that would result in his demise againtst Ali, Ali would frustrate him as a result of his unorthodox style and taunting, this could result in tyson losing his cool and walking straight into Ali's counterpunches which did have the potential to knock tyson out. In conclusion due to tysons relative lack of stamina and ringsmarts its quite probable Ali would win by Unanimous descion, if not a KO.

OMG this is ridculous. EVERYONE stop bringing up the henry cooper incident, it was a freak incident that rarely occured in Ali' career. Ali didn't often step into a left hook. It was the young relatively naive inexperienced 21 yr old Cassius Clay that fought cooper not the great Muhammad Ali that we look back at in awe. Now when comparing lets use Ali in his prime(1967) who had developed his skills and still retained his foot and hand speed. Ali withstood poundings from Foreman and frazier in 1974 - after he had lost alot of his hand and footspeed due to his ban from boxing. HE had a chin of steel that withstood punishment from frazier and forman, he would have no prob with tyson when he was in his prime. Infact i doubt he would have to withstand much punishement from tyson as the prime Ali with his exceptional footwork would have no problem keeping his distance against tyson who wasn't great at cutting off the ring. Ali with his superior ring smarts would find to many ways to adapt and neutralize Tyson. I believe its tysons mental weakness that would result in his demise againtst Ali, Ali would frustrate him as a result of his unorthodox style and taunting, this could result in tyson losing his cool and walking straight into Ali's counterpunches which did have the potential to knock tyson out. In conclusion due to tysons relative lack of stamina and ringsmarts its quite probable Ali would win by Unanimous descion, if not a KO.

Who's everyone? You can tell yourself what you like about the Cooper incident...I don't care.

I agree it could go this way which is why i said I could see either guy winning.

Foreman didn't land many clean shots on Ali during their fight and Frazier didn't have the power of Tyson so that's a pretty weak argument.

Chill man, it's only my opinion :cool:

All through his career Ali was most vulnerable to a good jab and a left hook...I'm not saying Tyson has that great of a jab now, but in his prime it was something he used (if it would be effective against such a big reach and height advantage I dunno) but his left hook was his best punch, If Ali just tastes his power it will be all over..

Tyson is not the most powerful boxer that ever lived hes up there but Ali faced some of the hardest hitters in the History of the Division, Shavers, Fraizer, Foreman, Lyle, Liston alot of hard hitters.

Tyson is not the most powerful boxer that ever lived hes up there but Ali faced some of the hardest hitters in the History of the Division, Shavers, Fraizer, Foreman, Lyle, Liston alot of hard hitters.

Tyson would be the fastest hard hitter he faced...

I think you guys are fooling yourselves with the "nostalgia factor" and assume old school is tougher than new school. Remember, we are talking about both fighters IN THEIR PRIME - you are looking at Tyson's later blounders and trying to lessen his early dominance. Remember, Ali got his jaw broken by Ken Norton!?! Listen Ali fans, who did Ali fight that would equate to Tyson in his prime? Foreman? Frazier? Well, turn it around and be honest - a 1986 Tyson versus Foreman or Frazier (in their prime)? You saw what Tyson did to Frazier's son... 30 seconds? You are idolizing Ali for a reason unknown to me - it would be no contest. A prime Tyson would KO Ali because you talk about imtimidation from Tyson? Who trash talked like no other?? Hello - Ali?? No, not intimidation - go back, boxing buffs, and look at the tapes, first Ali and then Tyson - PICK YOUR FIGHT - how fast are they in comparison to each other? If you are honest, you will realize that Tyson's speed would dictate the fight, just like it did every '80's fight Tyson was in and Tyson would pummel Ali. Now do your homework and prove me wrong...

if a past prime ali could sit back on the ropes and let shavers, foreman, frazier, and lyle pound away on him and not get knocked out then what makes you think tyson could ko a prime ali. tysons handspeed and footwork doesnt compare to ali's. he wasnt a master at cutting off the ring, and he didnt press as hard as frazier. yea tyson beat fraziers son in 30 seconds, but thats not smokin joe. he didnt have the heart and chin that he did. ali's jab and constant talking would frustrate tyson and make him give up, plus tyson wouldnt be able to keep up with ali's dancing for 7 or 8 rounds. i see tyson getting ko'd in 5 after alot of missed shots and no stamina

For those of you who don't remember, Biggs was about as close to Ali in terms of style and skills as anyone ever was...

Pfft...Biggs was a known drug addict going into the Tyson fight and was fed to Tyson before he was really ready, just so the Duvas could cash in on their investment in him. ****, Biggs was getting beaten up & bloodied by David Bey, of all people, just previous to facing Tyson, so...Wait, I suppose Francisco Damiani or Gary Mason would've beaten Ali as well, I guess hey, seeing as how they both stopped Biggs around that same time as Tyson did?

Ali would have danced around mike for the first 3 rounds poppin him with the jab and tying him up until he felt mike starting to get tired and then he would step it up hitting mikes one dumbmensional ass with everything in the book until tyson quits like he does when he knows he can't win.... remember Tyson was the youngest but Ali is "The Greatest".....
Less talk about a better matchup who would win between sonny liston and young george foreman?

See most people forgot how Tyson used to be. A prime Tyson was not one dimensional and could adapt.

Ali would have no problem with Iron Mike - anyone who ever watched Ali and watched Tyson knows this.

I think even Tyson would say the same thing if asked.
You all know Tyson has no stamina, never has...

I think he did in his prime. He went 12 rounds a couple of times.

See most people forgot how Tyson used to be. A prime Tyson was not one dimensional and could adapt.

Tyson didn't adapt very well against a past his prime version of James Tillis, who was probably the closest in style to what Ali would present to Mike. In fact, I thought Tyson barely sqeaked out a decision over Tillis in that one (95-94 was my card for Tyson), as Tillis certainly had the better of things over the last half of the fight when Tyson did very little combination punching and was not hard to find with Tillis' jabs, combinations, and uppercuts.

Tyson didn't adapt very well against a past his prime version of James Tillis, who was probably the closest in style to what Ali would present to Mike. In fact, I thought Tyson barely sqeaked out a decision over Tillis in that one (95-94 was my card for Tyson), as Tillis certainly had the better of things over the last half of the fight when Tyson did very little combination punching and was not hard to find with Tillis' jabs, combinations, and uppercuts.

Well, Tyrell Biggs had a similar style to Ali. My whole point was Tyson was a great fighter in his prime and people shouldn't forget that. Some seem to forget Tyson wasn't always the Tyson who lost to McBride. :D

Well, Tyrell Biggs had a similar style to Ali. My whole point was Tyson was a great fighter in his prime and people shouldn't forget that. Some seem to forget Tyson wasn't always the Tyson who lost to McBride. :D

I already discussed Biggs in the previous post to that one, so check it out if you want and comment on it if you can.

And sure, Tyson was a great fighter in his own right, but some people think he was indestructable machine and without flaws during his "prime", which was simply not the case...He had his flaws which were apparent in some of his "prime" fights (which were most noticable against fighters who relied on a jab, movement and smart clinching on the inside...Tillis, Ribalta, Tucker, etc.), and obviously Buster Douglas proved he was not at all indestructable.

I already discussed Biggs in the previous post to that one, so check it out if you want and comment on it if you can.

And sure, Tyson was a great fighter in his own right, but some people think he was indestructable machine and without flaws during his "prime", which was simply not the case...He had his flaws which were apparent in some of his "prime" fights (which were most noticable against fighters who relied on a jab, movement and smart clinching on the inside...Tillis, Ribalta, Tucker, etc.), and obviously Buster Douglas proved he was not at all indestructable.

Oh I agree he certaintly had flaws...

tyson had very good endurance in his prime, norton demolished ali in their first fight, tysin beats ali late by points or TKO

oh please.....

The Simplest Question Ever Asked Since The Cosmos Was Formed
Muhammad Ali By Ko

ali wins by a fifth round ko!

i could go t ali or tyson but i would say tyson by tko10

are you kiddin me?
this thread comes up here atleast once a month
its boxings period

....QFT....

this has been debated for years
but it never has been here
both in their primes of course
who will win between these 2 great champs

tyson was one of the greats in his prime, but ali was untouchable in his prime
he would ud or tko mike
tyson has always had trouble with tall guys, and ali's stature would be a big advantage
also, ali had good power, and his hand and footspeed are faster than tysons
it be a good, entertaning fight, but ali would take it home

See most people forgot how Tyson used to be. A prime Tyson was not one dimensional and could adapt.

the problems is that he would have to be one dimensional agaisnt ali, because ali has every advantage over mike except raw power. also, ali wasnt intimidated by big punchers, and tyson relied on fear just as much as boxing skill and power

Tyson would have won the early rounds would have even had Ali in trouble a couple of times...but Ali with his incredible chin would have survived the onslaught. After round 5 Tyson would have started to run out of gas which he is known for after 5 rounds and this is when Ali would bring the pain to him winning by a Unanimaous Decision or possibly a late TKO.

They were both great fighters, most say Ali was better because Tyson fell apart after leaving Kevin Rooney at an early age. Ali went to Cus D'amato many times throughout his career for advise, if not for Cus i don't think Ali would have beaten Foreman. It was documented that Cus told Ali his early style left him open to hooks, Ali got up and started dancing around the 60 year old Cus throwing jabs towards him, Cus D'amato caught Ali and busted his lip before Ali could move. Ali always respected Cus after that moment. Joe Frazier is the fighter who beat the best version of Ali, and he was a swarmer just like Tyson, only without the speed, head movement and angles of Tyson. I'm not saying Tyson would win, but i'd have it 50/50. People who say Ali would destroy Tyson need to look at some old films again. Tyson had tremendous speed, power, and upperbody strength. And yes Tyrell Biggs would have been an all time great just like Ali, but Tyson made him look like a fool with his 7 round destruction of Biggs. Tyrell came out in the first round dancing around and throwing the jab, but Tyson went to his body and broke him up making Biggs cry like a girl. The only person who i think could beat a swarmer like Tyson is a punchers like Foreman. A great boxer beats a great puncher. A great puncher beats a great swarmer, and a great swarmer beats a great boxer. Thats what history has shown us over and over again. 19-21 year old Tyson by 8th round KO over the Ali from the Liston fight.

most people would say that ali would box circles around him but uh uh. not a prime mike. u people forget how fast he was. once mike got his shots in it'd be over. then u would say nah ali's defense is too good. he open in some places and tyson is known as probably the most devastating puncher in history.

You should leave these forums, because you're an idiot.

Foreman is considered as devastating a puncher, and Ali took all of his shots.

Also, you seem to forget the quality of opponents that Mike fought back then, making him seem so much better than he was. He beat two name fighters, really, Holmes and Spinks, and neither of them were half the fighter they were a few years before hand. Mike Tyson, prime or not, is one of the most overrated boxers in the history of boxing. Go learn something before you come back posting your garbage here.

speculation is difficult because you have to consider many things. However, when tyson arrived and started KOing everyone (and im speaking of the young motivated tyson of 86-87), i think even a prime Ali's skills would be obsolete compared to Tyson offense. Ali had a very durable chin but tyson would just keep attacking like a bull. Ali would not have known how to handle that.

Because he never fought Foreman, did he?

ali. i dont really need to say how or why, now do i?

Ali is the better all around fighter of the two, but styles make fights. Swarmer > Boxer..... Boxer > Bomber... Bomber > Swarmer.

The best heavyweight swarmer (who could bomb no doubt) vs the best heavyweight boxer, I will take the swarmer...... but there is no way in hell I would bet on this fight :boxing:

I used to think this was a slam dunk (i.e. for Ali) but now I'm not so sure. After re-watching Tyson ***** slap and literally torture Terrell Biggs to tears, it makes me wonder. For those of you who don't remember, Biggs was about as close to Ali in terms of style and skills as anyone ever was...


The fact that you even compared the two of them is sickening.

This fight would be a boxing clinic. I'm going to say this for the last time:





MIKE TYSON IN 86-87 IS A CLONE OF JOE FRAZIER. LOOK BACK ON HISTORY AND DON'T ASK A STUPID QUESTION LIKE THIS EVER AGAIN.

:bryce: