a prime Smokin' Joe Frazier vs. a prime Iron Mike Tyson

Who would win this fight? and Why?

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Similar styles, and in their primes, similar animal-like aggression. But where Frazier was the prototype, Tyson was the production model (i.e. Frazier plus 25 pounds of pure power).

Tyson KO2.

Similar styles, and in their primes, similar animal-like aggression. But where Frazier was the prototype, Tyson was the production model (i.e. Frazier plus 25 pounds of pure power).

Tyson KO2.



Frazier KO9 Tyson.

Tyson KO 1

Tyson just does everything better than Frazier

Iron Mike wouldn't take him out as bad as Foreman did, but he would still earn a knockout. Joe Frazier is a great fighter and all, but a Prime Tyson would be a bad matchup.

Tyson wins any way you look at it :cool:

Tyson DID NOT do many things better then Frazier-he had a lesser work-rate, did not bob and weave even half as much as Frazier, had lesser stamina, and was a front runner, while Frazier started slow and got stronger as the fight progressed. This comes down to styles-if Frazier comes straight at Tyson, I think he takes too much damage and eventually gets Tko'd in the mid-late rounds. If he chooses to move and box more early, as he did with Foreman in their 2nd fight, and start smoking later in the middle rounds, Frazier wins with a 10th round KO.

If he chooses to move and box more early, as he did with Foreman in their 2nd fight, and start smoking later in the middle rounds, Frazier wins with a 10th round KO.

Exactly. You took the words out of my mouth dempseyfire. ;)

But as much as I like Frazier, i reckon Iron Mike will be all over him right after the bell...Tyson by early rounds TKO. All those fighters kept falling like timber against the prime Mike Tyson.

Not me folks, Smokin' Joe has something Iron Mike has never had, even in his prime - the ability to take a fighter deep and take him out in the later rounds.

Smokin' Joe wins by KO in the Championship Rounds, Tyson will be out of gas completely by the 8th and on the canvas in the 9th or 10th....

Not me folks, Smokin' Joe has something Iron Mike has never had, even in his prime - the ability to take a fighter deep and take him out in the later rounds.

Smokin' Joe wins by KO in the Championship Rounds, Tyson will be out of gas completely by the 8th and on the canvas in the 9th or 10th....
Smokin Joe had intense staying power, I'll grant you that. But he needed it, because apart from his left hook, he was not a one or two punch KO artist. He just wore you down with his work rate and heart.

I agree Joe would take Tyson in the later rounds if it went there, but it wouldn't. Prime Tyson had dynamite in both fists, and hand speed to boot. Tyson KO2. :)

tyson ko by mid rounds

i think that Tyson was a better versoin of Frazier in all aspects. Of coarse, i am talking about the 1986-88 Tyson and no other version. Tyson ko3

Yeah the big difference between Tyson and Fraizer is that Fraizer could take a better shot and had more stamina only one winner: Fraizer

Tyson had great stamina in his prime. In order to beat him you'd need a stiff jab in his face & even in his prime I'm not so sure that a stiff jab would've been enough to throw him off his game. Kid Dynamite would stop Joe within 3. Joe would get into a heavy exchange with Mike & that would be his downfall. I don't think Joe's power would discourage Tyson. In his prime his chin was granite & he could punch with both hands.

Tyson DID NOT do many things better then Frazier-he had a lesser work-rate, did not bob and weave even half as much as Frazier, had lesser stamina, and was a front runner, while Frazier started slow and got stronger as the fight progressed. This comes down to styles-if Frazier comes straight at Tyson, I think he takes too much damage and eventually gets Tko'd in the mid-late rounds. If he chooses to move and box more early, as he did with Foreman in their 2nd fight, and start smoking later in the middle rounds, Frazier wins with a 10th round KO.
Great post. That is exactly my opinion on this one. Have some Karma.

a prime Smokin' Joe Frazier vs. a prime Iron Mike Tyson

Who would win this fight? and Why?

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this belongs in fantasy fights, not nonstop boxing

Tyson in three.

Tyson was bigger, stronger, faster and had legit KO power in both hands.

I would also say Tyson had the better chin.

Frazier KO's Tyson in the later rounds, after being down on the canvas once himself. If Frazier could weather the initial storm in the first 5 rounds( and he can ), he can beat Tyson

In a styles matchup it would be a bad matchup for Frazier. If you stand in front of Tyson especially in his prime you lose. Frazier has a lethal left hook but Tyson has power in both hands and would come in with different angles to catch Frazier off gaurd. It's the punches you don't see coming as a fighter that do the most damage. Frazier's heart will allow him to survive a heated first round where both fighters get stunned. But as the punishment keeps coming Frazier will start to break down. This is why I give the edge to Tyson by KO in round three.

Tyson by KO in round four!

I'd have to go with Tyson...KO5.

Frazier was a bit too easy to hit, especially with uppercuts, to survive the Tyson attack.

Tyson has always been a frontrunner....but Joe did not have the style to frustrate Tyson.
He'd be there for Tyson to hit....& Tyson's bombs would have more of an effect on Joe than Joe's would on Tyson.


It's a bad style matchup for Frazier.

this belongs in fantasy fights, not nonstop boxing

your right, but Mayweather vs. Hearns is in this section.

Although, Frazier was a great heavyweight in his time, tyson would knock
him out before the third round. THe reason: Frazier was a notoriously slow starter and Tyson a very fast starter who likes to get business done early.
Tyson by KO2

Tyson had great stamina in his prime. In order to beat him you'd need a stiff jab in his face & even in his prime I'm not so sure that a stiff jab would've been enough to throw him off his game. Kid Dynamite would stop Joe within 3. Joe would get into a heavy exchange with Mike & that would be his downfall. I don't think Joe's power would discourage Tyson. In his prime his chin was granite & he could punch with both hands.

Tyson has NEVER had great stamina, he has ALWAYS become very ordinary after the 5th or 6th round. Frazier fought some of the greatest heavyweights in history and held his own while becoming a legend in the sport himself.

Tyson will be talked about for years to come, but it will be about what could have been, not what he actually did in the ring - other than biting Evanders' ear of course...

it would be a 1st round ko for either one

Tyson has NEVER had great stamina, he has ALWAYS become very ordinary after the 5th or 6th round. Frazier fought some of the greatest heavyweights in history and held his own while becoming a legend in the sport himself.

Tyson will be talked about for years to come, but it will be about what could have been, not what he actually did in the ring - other than biting Evanders' ear of course...

Don't think so. Joe's jab was average at best & he didn't throw his right hand with authority. Yeah he had great stamina but to take a Tyson punch with his fast hands, nope. Joe would get Tyson's attention like Razor Ruddock did with his left but Tyson wasn't in any real danger. Tyson's stamina was good in his prime. He kept coming forward and he'd still be throwing with authority. Tyson has had many KO's after the 5 or 6th round so I don't know where you get ordinary from. We're talking about his prime not the 90's version

Don't think so. Joe's jab was average at best & he didn't throw his right hand with authority. Yeah he had great stamina but to take a Tyson punch with his fast hands, nope. Joe would get Tyson's attention like Razor Ruddock did with his left but Tyson wasn't in any real danger. Tyson's stamina was good in his prime. He kept coming forward and he'd still be throwing with authority. Tyson has had many KO's after the 5 or 6th round so I don't know where you get ordinary from. We're talking about his prime not the 90's version

Tyson has only 4 KO wins after round 6, and all of them were TKO wins NOT KO wins, that is where I get it from....

TKO or KO they ALL count as KO's. Joe gets smoked by Tyson. He's bigger, stronger, & faster.

We can rebuild him, we have the technology, we can make him bigger, stronger, faster---he will be "The I Made $300,000,000 And Now I'm Bankrupt Man" :eek: :p

We can rebuild him, we have the technology, we can make him bigger, stronger, faster---he will be "The I Made $300,000,000 And Now I'm Bankrupt Man"

Only if he fought for Don king!

although both are overrated...styles make fights...i dont see anybody other then david tua ..beating a prime tyson under 6'0

tyson was faster and maybe more powerful

We can rebuild him, we have the technology, we can make him bigger, stronger, faster---he will be "The I Made $300,000,000 And Now I'm Bankrupt Man" :eek: :p

That has nothing to do with the topic.

Tyson is faster, with power in both fists, and Frazier's go forward style is pefectly suited for Tyson's hooks. Tyson by early KO, (They both
used peek-a-boo defense if you notice)

My late father and I bonded watching the early Tyson. It was fun as hell watching this dynamo plow through the ranks. We would shake our heads in wonder and comment about how real the possibility of him killing someone in the ring was as we stared at some poor victim flat on his back with his foot twitching!

It may sound strange but I believe that a Frazier in his prime may have been just deliberate and confrontational enough to be the kind of guy that might have pissed Mike off enough to hurt very badly.....maybe even kill. Joe could have been just good enough to die in there!

Frazier by KO 4.

Smokin joe by late KO

Frazier would KO Tyson late.

Interesting matchupp, prime tyson had better speed and power and prime frazier had better chin,heart and stamina.

If Frazier survived several rounds with foreman(who i belive is worse than Tyson) he could survive Tyson onslaught, turned the fight and koed tyson.

The main differetn is that tyson cant take a good beating and still come back like frazier could

Tyson DID NOT do many things better then Frazier-he had a lesser work-rate, did not bob and weave even half as much as Frazier, had lesser stamina, and was a front runner, while Frazier started slow and got stronger as the fight progressed. This comes down to styles-if Frazier comes straight at Tyson, I think he takes too much damage and eventually gets Tko'd in the mid-late rounds. If he chooses to move and box more early, as he did with Foreman in their 2nd fight, and start smoking later in the middle rounds, Frazier wins with a 10th round KO.
:cool: my thoughts exactly

frazier wasnt tall..he was perfect hight to get all of prime tyson's fast and quick uppercuts...i say tyson doesnt even let it go to late rounds

tyson ko 3

Anyone who looks at this fight without an agenda knows this is an easy fight to predict the outcome of.

There the same height 5'11, fight in the same style.

Except Tyson would have 20lbs of muscle on Frazier, Tyson would have much faster hands, Tyson could KO you with any punch from any angle with either hand while Frazier pretty much just had his left hook, Tyson would have a better chin,

Its a flat out mismatch.

I dont care who you are no smaller man in the history of this sport is just gonna walk right in and brawl with a prime Mike Tyson.

mike tyson in his prime would knock frazier out in 2 rounds, i guarentee it, althoguh frazier is one of the greatest fighters of all time, mike tyson had george foreman-like power

Frazier would knock Tyson out in late rounds, but the only problem for Frazier is, it would never make it to late rounds. Tyson would be on him from the opening bell. Once Frazier got hurt (and a prime Tyson would definitely hurt Frazier) Tyson would finish him. Tyson Ko in 3

Tyson all over Frazier in the opening round. Frazier will be lucky if he gets out of it alive, if he chooses to stand close to tyson and fire back. It's a complete mismatch cause I think Tyson's stronger and faster.

I honestly dont know who wins but it does not go past 3 rounds.

Can't doubt the earlier indestructability of Iron Mike.

Tyson TKO4

I am not sure. Most seem to think Frazier would get killed, based on his two losses to George Foreman. Maybe, but remember, Foreman was alot stronger than Tyson. Tyson could probably hit at Foreman-level, but Foreman was stronger. He just overwhelmed Frazier with his size and strength. Tyson had the punching power, sure, but he lacked size. He would not be able to push Frazier around and make him back up. I actually believe Frazier to be stronger than Tyson!

Tyson would defintely have a good chance to beat Frazier if he could hurt him early. But if the fight goes beyond five rounds, Tyson gets it.

Another thing is Tysons lacking heart, combined with Fraziers lions heart. Tyson would most likely deck Frazier several times, but he gets easily frustrated and scared when his foe keep on coming like Frazier would.

I see this fight having to possible outcomes:
Scenario 1:
Tyson throws wild punches after only about two rounds, desperately seeking to put Frazier on the canvas for keeps. At this time, Frazier would slowely start taking control of the fight and a few rounds later, Frazier starts smokin´ and Tyson starts cryin´. A brutal tko inside ten rounds, possibly a UD.

Scenario 2:
Tyson comes out like he did with Spinks, throwing accurate combinations and using his speed and power to take control of the fight right away. Inside of three rounds the ref stops the fight. Tyson by Tko.

Like I said, I am not sure! Tyson might very well have beaten Frazier, but it is not the "sure thing" alot of you make it out to be in my opinion.

Sorry, but this would be too close to call. But one thing though, it would be a fcking close. You probably could sell out Madisen Square Garden three times over for this match. No joke.

Why is everyone assuming smokin joe couldn't hit as hard as tyson. Look how foreman hit ali and didn't knock him down, frazier knocked him down with one punch. Also how many fighters would get up six times after being knocked down six times by george foreman. I dont think tyson hit as hard as foreman so Frazier would win this by ko after 8

Why was Frazier more subseptible to Foreman's punches than any other? Precision?

Anyway, Ali was knocked down largely due to exhaustion by Joe (not taking away from what Frazier did, but it wasn't an fresh knock down, and, in Joe's own words "tell the truth, it wasn't that much of a punch.") Plus, Foreman never landed clean.

But I'm getting off subject... I'd have to say Tyson 4-5 rounds.

Frazier wasn't nearly as easy to hit when he fought someone who would fight him inside, not flush. This fight could be alot closer than some of you think. If Tyson doesn't hit him on the chin, he's not knocking Frazier out, and frazier fought with his guard up when he was on the inside. I could see Tyson's punches landing on his guard maybe tiring him out, but I can't see Tyson knocking Frazier out early.

i think the fight would be a little like frazier foreman where frazier get knocked down loads of times maybe hell get up and win eventually tho

tyson would win flawless

frazier does not have a lot of skillz

a Prime Smokin' Joe Frazier Vs. A Prime Iron Mike Tyson

Who Would Win This Fight? And Why?

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I Always Have A Good Idea In My Mind Of Who Would Win And Why.
This One Has Got Me Thinking.i Have To Break It Down.

Power--tyson With Both Hands And Fraser Only A Left Hook.
Strength--tyson
Stamina-this Is A Big One Fraser Hands Down.many 15 Rounders.
Caliber Of Competion-fraser By Far Many Good Fighters.
Defence--tyson Was A Good Defensive Fighter,many Over Looked.
Chin--a Toss Up.
It Would Be One Of The Few Fights I Would Not Bet On.
Rodhook

Why is everyone assuming smokin joe couldn't hit as hard as tyson. Look how foreman hit ali and didn't knock him down, frazier knocked him down with one punch. Also how many fighters would get up six times after being knocked down six times by george foreman. I dont think tyson hit as hard as foreman so Frazier would win this by ko after 8
YOUR RIGHT,AS LONG AS JOE COULD GET PAST THE 5th.
RODHOOK

Tyson KO 2, ala Foreman.

Why is everyone assuming smokin joe couldn't hit as hard as tyson. Look how foreman hit ali and didn't knock him down, frazier knocked him down with one punch. Also how many fighters would get up six times after being knocked down six times by george foreman. I dont think tyson hit as hard as foreman so Frazier would win this by ko after 8

Are you serious? Watch Frazier's fights against mid-level contenders, he almost always needed a lot of punches to knock them down. There are a lot of rounds where Joe lands 20 flush power punches and his opponent is still standing in front of him. Joe was a grinder, not a KO artist. His KD over Ali was after 14 grueling rounds with hundreds of punches landed. Power is not even a debate here.

I think it's a terrible styles matchup for Joe, whose not long enough or skilled enough to outbox Tyson and would be outgunned if he decided to slug it out.

Why is everyone assuming smokin joe couldn't hit as hard as tyson. Look how foreman hit ali and didn't knock him down, frazier knocked him down with one punch. Also how many fighters would get up six times after being knocked down six times by george foreman. I dont think tyson hit as hard as foreman so Frazier would win this by ko after 8
It's nothing to do with that, Frazier may hit just as hard at Tyson. Tyson is a very fast started and I think Tyson combination punching would get to Frazier, Tyson would land first and has IMO better head movement in his prime (ironically other than Tyson, Frazier is the 2nd best bob and weaver at HW)

Pretty easy win for Tyson. He is just a bigger better version of Frazier.
Better Chin, Better Power, Better combination of punches. Frazier would have little chance if he stood in front of Tyson trying to trade with him. He would have to hit tyson then grab on for dear life. He wouldn't be able to get past 5 rounds if he wanted to go to a Toe to toe battle with tyson.
Tysons punches are crisper, shorter, and to me more powerful then Frazier.

Tyson KO within 5 rounds. Joe would get knocked down a couple times and then knocked out.

Im rather surprised how many people think Tyson beats Frazier. I understand that Frazier starts slow, but the guy wrecked people to the body and was a better infighter than Tyson. I can see Frazier getting dropped, but eventually Tyson would get overwhelmed.

Could go one of two ways. Either Tyson blasts Joe out early as Joe was a slow starter or Joe makes it into the second half of the fight and either wears Mike down for a late TKO or wins a decision. Literally could have gone either way, I cannot pick a winner.

If it goes past 6 though, Mike ain't winning.

joe frazier will take out tyson in the later rounds