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TysonForeman
10-31-2004, 06:53 PM
In my opinion, Jack Dempsey vs. Luis Firpo is by far the most overrated fight in the history of boxing. Basically a total one sided beating except for a very short rally by Firpo. Not a terrible fight, but no where near an all time classic.

dempseyfire
10-31-2004, 09:44 PM
I actually agree. It was a heavily hyped spectacle. The actual goods were exciting but nothing to rate on the all-time lists

TysonForeman
10-31-2004, 09:50 PM
Before I read your reply I was that your name was Dempseyfire and I expected to get a giant insult post. LOL, nice to see I'm not alone about this fight.

TysonForeman
10-31-2004, 09:54 PM
And as a side note, I think anytime you're rating a fight on a scale of 0-100, if one of the guys get's knocked out of the ring, you have to add 10 points automatically, cause that's just awesome.
Also if I remember right, the ring only had two ropes per side, which is why he got thrown out.

GxBrak
11-01-2004, 09:49 AM
plus its hard to compare that style with modern styles (60's to present)

Dude
11-01-2004, 04:24 PM
The fight itself isn't as famous as the punch from Firpo that knocked Dempsey on the reporters table and the following count that only started when Jamck was back in the ring.

Plus, the era of Dempsey brought a new level of hype with it. At least in the United States. They sayed about Firpo that he knocked out bulls in the Pampa. For this fight the media machine was really rolling.

The fight itself is a onesided beatdown. But then again there was this one punch ... ;)

TysonForeman
11-01-2004, 05:48 PM
That's pretty funny about knocking out bulls. I wonder if that's even possible. I remember Roberto Duran says he knocked out a horse to impress a girl. I also heard Duran knocked out one of his opponent's mom when she tried to break up the fight.

Eken
11-02-2004, 10:40 AM
In my opinion, Jack Dempsey vs. Luis Firpo is by far the most overrated fight in the history of boxing. Basically a total one sided beating except for a very short rally by Firpo. Not a terrible fight, but no where near an all time classic.

I agree with you too!

jabsRstiff
11-02-2004, 11:49 AM
Damn....I'm glad others share my opinion on this....an incredibly overrated fight.


Right on with the one-sided nature making this a not-so-great fight.

Also....when Firpo knocked Dempsey through the ropes, it looked more like he pushed him, than punched him. It was ugly as hell.

Firpo kept flooping up & down from punches that didn't look like much.
Maybe it's the way this fight was filmed that makes those punches look less than devastating....but it's all I can go on, besides the word of historians who are caught up in the nostalgic hyperbole of this fight.

GxBrak
11-04-2004, 02:15 AM
firpo, that's a funny name

Prorock
11-04-2004, 06:49 PM
I didn't saw this bout but i know that it was amazing!

Great
11-04-2004, 08:50 PM
Not frequently possible to see Dempsey, taking off for ropes.

Prorock
11-05-2004, 02:02 AM
Not frequently possible to see Dempsey, taking off for ropes.
I generally didn't saw any bout of Dempsey. But i know a lot of facts of his biography from the books about boxing history...

Prorock
11-05-2004, 03:10 PM
firpo, that's a funny name
Argentina... Funny country :rolleyes:

TysonForeman
11-05-2004, 03:22 PM
As for Firpo going down from punches that don't look like much, he was probably going down to get a break.

Great
11-05-2004, 06:51 PM
I generally didn't saw any bout of Dempsey. But i know a lot of facts of his biography from the books about boxing history...
Not bad for start, not bad. Jack had very interesting figts. If you have a chance - necessaryly watch.

phallus
11-06-2004, 04:54 AM
Watch Dempsey against Jess Willard, now that's a beatdown!

Prorock
11-08-2004, 01:54 AM
Not bad for start, not bad. Jack had very interesting figts. If you have a chance - necessaryly watch.
I regret but i haven't a chance. Where i can watch his fights? Maybe you know some links?

Great
11-08-2004, 02:46 AM
No, I don`t know link`s. Sorry.

Prorock
11-08-2004, 02:09 PM
It's allright! ;)

I will find...

jabsRstiff
11-08-2004, 02:18 PM
Jess Willard & Luis Firpo couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Great
11-08-2004, 08:30 PM
It's allright! ;)

I will find...
I have found two link`s... On this site in section DLoad`s:)
You need 100 post`s.

TysonForeman
11-08-2004, 11:06 PM
Watch Dempsey against Jess Willard, now that's a beatdown!
That's probably the beating of the century. By far the worst Champion Annihilation I've ever seen or heard of. Foreman's beatdown of Frazier isn't even close.

One thing that is overlooked about that fight is the amazing heart and determination that Jess Willard showed. Can you imagine getting hammered senseless like that and still trying to get up and win?

The fight also shows how Jack Dempsey probably had the best power punching technique ever. Every move he makes is designed to amplify the force of the punch.

whdempsey
11-08-2004, 11:20 PM
No, it wasn't an all-time classic. I reminds me a little of the Tito-Mayorga fight, also a pretty much one-sided beatdown.

Also, don't let it's one sidedness fool you into doubting Dempsey's worthiness. What he did in that fight was equivalent to someone Wayne Braithwaite's size knocking out a man the size of, say, John Ruiz.

Actually, there are some similarities between Firpo and Ruiz. Neither was incredibly talented or skilled but both were very hard to beat. And this is a John Ruiz who was coming off a knockout of someone similar to Vitali Klitschko, stylistically and in terms of size (roughly).

Anyway, all this goes toward saying that Dempsey's win over Firpo and it's one-sided nature is indicative mostly of Dempsey's tremendous ability, and not just Firpo's unworthiness.

dempseyfire
11-08-2004, 11:40 PM
Jess Willard & Luis Firpo couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Don't judge Williard on the Dempsey fight alone, when he was old, overweight, and inactive. Williard in his prime had a very stiff jab, tremondous power, and perhaps was the most durable and well-chinned 'giant' heavyweight to ever fight. He never was very agile or a very good boxer, but he made up for it with toughness and tremondous strength and power. Imagine a less athletic Vitali Klitshko with more stamina, a better jab, and greater power. Not an 'all time' HW great but better then he's now said to be . . .

Prorock
11-09-2004, 02:25 AM
I have found two link`s... On this site in section DLoad`s:)
You need 100 post`s.
Thank you very much!

Kid Achilles
12-01-2004, 12:50 PM
Dempsey vs. Firpo is overrated now because we all know the outcome but at the time it was one of the most dramatic fights for those watching it as it unfolded. Viewers were sure Dempsey had the edge in the begining but then Firpo's superior strength and size (and Dempsey's ring rust) showed themself in a quick flare. When Dempsey was sent out of the ring (yes it was a push but those punches that set him up for that push were very real) it was a truly shocking moment. I would liken it to an extra violent version of Lewis vs. Vitali sans the anticlimatic ending. Perhaps Foreman vs. Lyle would be a better comparison. No, it was not boxing genius at work, but if you watched it for the first time, with no prior knowledge of the victor, you would have been on the edge of your seat.

Dempsey 1919
05-21-2006, 09:49 PM
yeah, maybe it is a bit overrated.