England ,Spain and Italy

Englands had 3 teams in the last 4 of the CL and an Englsih team went on to win the trophy and there national team did not qualify for the Euro

Italian and Spanish teams seem to be losing pace on the club front but making huge strides with thier national sides and my theory is that with all the money in the premiership, players are more inclined to go where the money is IE the prem and that has inadvertently worked in Spain and Italys favour cause i dare say more Spanish /home grown players have managed to get a spot in a team that could have been occupied by a foreigner 3/4 years ago and their best talent is being shipped abroad into the Premiership etc

Italy stopped splashing huge amounts of cash on the best players around along time ago and the majority of the players in their league are Italian and they went into lift the World Cup where as England failed to qualify and there league is predominantly made up of non -English players

is all this coincendence or is their some substance to it

England ,Spain and Italy

Englands had 3 teams in the last 4 of the CL and an Englsih team went on to win the trophy and there national team did not qualify for the Euro

Italian and Spanish teams seem to be losing pace on the club front but making huge strides with thier national sides and my theory is that with all the money in the premiership, players are more inclined to go where the money is IE the prem and that has inadvertently worked in Spain and Italys favour cause i dare say more Spanish /home grown players have managed to get a spot in a team that could have been occupied by a foreigner 3/4 years ago and their best talent is being shipped abroad into the Premiership etc

Italy stopped splashing huge amounts of cash on the best players around along time ago and the majority of the players in their league are Italian and they went into lift the World Cup where as England failed to qualify and there league is predominantly made up of non -English players

is all this coincendence or is their some substance to it

I dont know about that didnt Milan win the CL in 2007 and 2003 I dont see a big diffrence in strength between the top 3 leagues, to be honest i just think its an excuse for English players not being good enough.

I dont know about that didnt Milan win the CL in 2007 and 2003 I dont see a big diffrence in strength between the top 3 leagues, to be honest i just think its an excuse for English players not being good enough.

Liverpool and Man Utd have won the trophy while Arsenal and Chelsea have been to the latter stages of the tournament how may times they have gone to the Semi finals or quarter finals how many times and Arsenal have actually been to the final when u compare the English sides progression in competition it outweighs the impact of the top Spanish and Italian clubs by a long way IMO

when was the last time Inter Milan got anywhere near a semi final ,when was the last time Real Madrid made it to the Semi final ir Valencia ? the top 4 clubs in England consistently make it to the knockout stages these days and with Liverpool and Man Utd knowing what it takes to get to the final and winning i can only see English team continuing to succeed in the CL or at least having a big say on the Quarter and Semi finals etc

it has to be commonsense IMO that Spanish and Italian teams are developing more players than England when they are getting opurtunitys at the highest level at home and abroad ,i dont think Engands failure to qualify and Spain the biggest underachievers in International football have won their first tournament in 40+ years to be a coincidence especially when u consider that over 70% of the Players in Serie A are Italian and they won the World Cup 2006

I think there are a number of reasons for England's failure to produce at international level but the two most important are that they have been unable to produce a top class English manager for years and there are major deficiencies with the way players are taught to play the game in the country and also with the drink culture in the country.

I think there are a number of reasons for England's failure to produce at international level but the two most important are that they have been unable to produce a top class English manager for years and there are major deficiencies with the way players are taught to play the game in the country and also with the drink culture in the country.

i agree 100% there are major deficiencies with the way players are taught to play the game but there is sufficient quality to qualify for these tournaments we wiped the floor with Russia 3 -0 and we would have quailifed with our first team back 4 i have no doubt about that and thats not being baised i just dont believe Croaita would and Russia would have scored the goals they did with Ferdinand and Terry ,Cole Playing ,i guess the point im trying to make is England were easily good enough to qualify for this tournement but when your manager employs a system 3-5-2 in your biggest game a system u have never played before and he puts Scott Carson in the biggest game of his life then i think u can ask qusetions of his apointment TBH


i think the FA is the reason England did not quailfy TBH cause they hired Steve Mclaren a yes man who would not apose there money making schemes even if it was at the expense of the team ,this might sound like a lame excuse but would Martin O'Neil have let an American football game to be played on the pitch the night before a big qualifying game ,Terry Venables was sacked for none footballing reasons and Allardyce and O'Niel were overlooked because of their personalitys ,the Fa wanna make money and be successfull but IMO u can have both one has to be your main focus more than the other at the expense of money making schemes and big egos in the FA the team must come first but i does not

i agree that players win games but if your team is not set up right then they will underperform see France and Italy

i do think that Englands lack of quailty squads players is vital reason why we failed to qualify aswell and that IMO is down to the influx foriegners

i dont wanna come across like a biased England fan im sorry if that is the way ive come across i really dont mean to its just im very passionate about England as u can see

it is actually quite pathetic how long it has taken us to sit back and reevaluate the way we produce players in this country ,whats even more pathetic is this is not the first time we have not qualified so u would have thought these deficiencies we have producing techincally good players would have been addressed already and a structure would arleady be in place

England have more than enough world class players in the national squad. Our team is one of the best in the world.

i dont wanna come across like a biased England fan im sorry if that is the way ive come across i really dont mean to its just im very passionate about England as u can see

it is actually quite pathetic how long it has taken us to sit back and reevaluate the way we produce players in this country ,whats even more pathetic is this is not the first time we have not qualified so u would have thought these deficiencies we have producing techincally good players would have been addressed already and a structure would arleady be in place

The most alarming thing is the decision to effectively ignore the best advice from the continent. Games with smaller teams, less emphasis on winning and more emphasis on becoming comfortable with the ball and developing skill has been shown pretty comprehensively to be the way forward but the regional leagues at youth level in England and indeed Scotland (and the rest of the UK I presume) have basically ignored this advice for their own self preservation.

England have more than enough world class players in the national squad. Our team is one of the best in the world.

How many world class players do you think you have and where do you rank England in the world?

England have more than enough world class players in the national squad. Our team is one of the best in the world.

i definetly dont subsribe to this stupid notion that England are light years behind other national sides cause they did not quailfy in terms of technique yes they are miles behind but in terms of overall quailty they are not ,im not stupid enought to think they are as good as Brazil ,Argentina etc but

i think England will qualify for the World Cup

The most alarming thing is the decision to effectively ignore the best advice from the continent. Games with smaller teams, less emphasis on winning and more emphasis on becoming comfortable with the ball and developing skill has been shown pretty comprehensively to be the way forward but the regional leagues at youth level in England and indeed Scotland (and the rest of the UK I presume) have basically ignored this advice for their own self preservation.

i agree

it is relatively easy to get out the Championship if u are content to lump the ball into the box all the while in a win at all costs menality like Watford who were tipped for relegation yes it made it to the Premier League but that type of football can only take u so far

on the other end of the scale u have West Ham they had the best players in the Championship a few years back IMO but they could not win Automatic Promotion because they would not sacrifice playing Football for the long ball game but when they did finally make it through the play offs there team stayed their where as Waford came straight back down because they tried to employ their long ball aggressive style in the prem

How many world class players do you think you have and where do you rank England in the world?

i guess it depends on your criteria for World Class players

i think Ferdinand /Terry/Cole are as good if not better than any of the top CB in the world ,A Cole has Ronaldo in his pocket everytime he plays against him

I think Rooney is World Class his goal scoring record may not reflect that at the moment but i think anyone can see Rooney is World Class he is one of the players to shine at a major championships i can name many top players that have not produced at that level

i think Gerrard is World Class but he is not a complete player he is tactically poor and his techincally he is one of the worst outta all the England players but technique is not everything u still have to have other qualitys otherwise the technically brilliant Uraguays and Paraguays of the world would be more successfull

Joe Cole is World Class IMO he is as good as any wide man out there

Lampard is not World Class IMO he is a good /decent footballer but he is one dimmensional take away his goals he offers nothing to a team


England have some very good players but a lot of them are one dimmensional and have bad technique so when they are fused together in a team they look Disfuctional and disjointed when asked to pass the ball a intechange postition fluently and adapt to formations

Englands biggest probelm is deffo techique ,England have a few World Class players and a majority very good players with bad tehcnique

i guess it depends on your criteria for World Class players

i think Ferdinand /Terry/Cole are as good if not better than any of the top CB in the world ,A Cole has Ronaldo in his pocket everytime he plays against him

I think Rooney is World Class his goal scoring record may not reflect that at the moment but i think anyone can see Rooney is World Class he is one of the players to shine at a major championships i can name many top players that have not produced at that level

i think Gerrard is World Class but he is not a complete player he is tactically poor and his techincally he is one of the worst outta all the England players but technique is not everything u still have to have other qualitys otherwise the technically brilliant Uraguays and Paraguays of the world would be more successfull

Joe Cole is World Class IMO he is as good as any wide man out there

Lampard is not World Class IMO he is a good /decent footballer but he is one dimmensional take away his goals he offers nothing to a team


England have some very good players but a lot of them are one dimmensional and have bad technique so when they are fused together in a team they look Disfuctional and disjointed when asked to pass the ball a intechange postition fluently and adapt to formations

Englands biggest probelm is deffo techique ,England have a few World Class players and a majority very good players with bad tehcnique

Terry is world class and Ferdinand is world class. Gerrard is world class for Liverpool but a huge disappointment for Liverpool, Lampard is world class but his talents are negated by playing in a poorly balanced midfield and Rooney is world class but doesn't have a good partner so his talents are also negated. Joe Cole is one of my favourite players but he is best in the same position as Rooney and given the choice between the two Rooney has to get the nod.

I would rank Englands team in the top 5.

Terry is world class and Ferdinand is world class. Gerrard is world class for Liverpool but a huge disappointment for Liverpool, Lampard is world class but his talents are negated by playing in a poorly balanced midfield and Rooney is world class but doesn't have a good partner so his talents are also negated. Joe Cole is one of my favourite players but he is best in the same position as Rooney and given the choice between the two Rooney has to get the nod.

i agree 100%

im not one of these England fans that thinks we have World Class players in every positions those mofo make me sick

I would rank Englands team in the top 5.

LMAO STFU:haha: