Tyson, De la HOya, Lewis, ALI, Louis, etc...

So many great boxers to Mentioned. but What About Those boxers who was in Their way to Greatness and a Chance to greatness but a certain EVent took place that forever screwd their carrers.

I have Some in My list and maybe you have your own.

Here are mine.

1. Riddick Bowe:

The Big Daddy, Have the size of a Monster and a Power and skills that Have the Potential to Clean Out the Eagerly Exciting Heavyweight division in the Early ninties. He showed his heart and skills in his Two Fights with the Real Deal and Showcase his Power when he Knocked him out Cold in their RubberMATCH Until he Run against a Wild Rugged Foul Pole in GOLOTA their First two MATCH were suppose to be one of The great fights. Untill Golota made stupid mistakes by Fouling BOWE. In their two bouts. That was Big Daddy's Last fight befor his life bercomes a mess. Now he is making a comeback, a comeback in the ERA in which the Heavyweight Division has no More LEWIS, had an OLD VANDER, an injury PLAGUE MIKE TYSON, a HUGGING RUIZ, and a POWDER PUNCHING BYRD. Bowe may beat all these fighters but then he could never claim greatness like WHAT an ALI or a LOUIS had.

2. IKE IBEAUCHI:

In The Middle Nineties Heavyweight Division Has so Many Potential Superstar, But no One has the same intimidating presence as THE PRESIDENT IKE IBEAUCHI. He's got the intimidation power as much as the same amount of punching power as a PRIME TYSON (As Evidence of His Anihillation Of CHRIS BYRD)
The Chin that could take even the strongest Punching Heavyweight, Heart like the REAL DEAL ( as Evidence with his Power Punching Contest with DAVID TUA) But the same as MIKE TYSON IKE has to go to JAIL Accused of RAPE. But Unlike MIKE IKE Went to Jail without having to reach his POTENTIAL. Thus MAking Boxing FAN in LIMBO and Wondering What if IKE had not been Jailed. Well we will never Know he screwed up his Chance He disappont his Fans. He could have been, thats the Best thing he could offer.

3. Michael Moorer

Think of Michael Moorer as a Heavy weight, and you will remember a Fighter outpointed a Prime Holyfield only to lost by a single PUNCH(in His first defense of his crown) to an OLD GEORGE FOREMAN, a fighter who was Knocked down Five Times In the Rematch with Holyfield, and a fighter who lasted 30 seconds against the TUAMAN. But think of MOORER as LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT and you will FIND out, a Devastating Puncher with a 22 0 record with all his wins by way of knockout. what if Moorer stayed a t light heavy, he could have obliterated JONES, TARVER might not have a chance to rule the division. But Moorer Move up to Heavyweight and becomes LAZY in his Training Thus Causes his every heavyweight performance looks like a Nuissance when his Fightin the Best. Well He is not Yet retired he still have a chence but a very slim Chance.

4. Michael Grant:

You have seen the HYPE, and you have the seen the HYPE goes down in Blitz. A hulking 6'7 frame, has the potential to clean out the Heavyweight Division but one Big Mistake Cost this kid his Bright Future. A young and Undefeated Michael Grant was Pited against a Strong and Hungry Heavyweight Champion Lennox Lewis, a move which serve fatal to the young carrer of a good heavyweight prospect GRANT went on to lose in the second round in a fight Dubbed as CLASH OF The TITANS. From then on GRANT's Confidence is no where to be found, if only Grant was being Pace slowly he could have gotten LEWIS by The Time he is Ready to be Picked.

5. Oliver Mc Call:

A strong puncher and a very good CHIN, Sent Lennox Lewis to dreamland with a single punch. But went on to Lose to another Brit, Frank Bruno by UD. and Cried in The 5th round of the Lennox Lewis Rematch. This Guy has the Crude skills to take him places. Has a very good CHIN to compete with the BEST. But suddenly lost his SANITY to Drug Addiction.

What Can I say these fighters have their chance but Circumastances occured that they might or might not have control over it cost their chances to obtain Superstar Status or a Chance to be recognize as one of the Greats.

You Might Have your own list Please tell Me yours.

1. Bowe- always the first to come to my mind.

2.Cooney- don't laugh, if he wsn't a head case and hit didn't hit the juice, his hook alone would have gotten him places

3.Dokes- Drugs,drugs,drugs

4.Wlad- all the skill in thw world, but lacking a chin and stamina

5.Witherspoon- power, ability and a big chin...lazy,and fat most of the time

Tyson, De la HOya, Lewis, ALI, Louis, etc...

So many great boxers to Mentioned. but What About Those boxers who was in Their way to Greatness and a Chance to greatness but a certain EVent took place that forever screwd their carrers.

I have Some in My list and maybe you have your own.

Here are mine.

1. Riddick Bowe:

The Big Daddy, Have the size of a Monster and a Power and skills that Have the Potential to Clean Out the Eagerly Exciting Heavyweight division in the Early ninties. He showed his heart and skills in his Two Fights with the Real Deal and Showcase his Power when he Knocked him out Cold in their RubberMATCH Until he Run against a Wild Rugged Foul Pole in GOLOTA their First two MATCH were suppose to be one of The great fights. Untill Golota made stupid mistakes by Fouling BOWE. In their two bouts. That was Big Daddy's Last fight befor his life bercomes a mess. Now he is making a comeback, a comeback in the ERA in which the Heavyweight Division has no More LEWIS, had an OLD VANDER, an injury PLAGUE MIKE TYSON, a HUGGING RUIZ, and a POWDER PUNCHING BYRD. Bowe may beat all these fighters but then he could never claim greatness like WHAT an ALI or a LOUIS had.

2. IKE IBEAUCHI:

In The Middle Nineties Heavyweight Division Has so Many Potential Superstar, But no One has the same intimidating presence as THE PRESIDENT IKE IBEAUCHI. He's got the intimidation power as much as the same amount of punching power as a PRIME TYSON (As Evidence of His Anihillation Of CHRIS BYRD)
The Chin that could take even the strongest Punching Heavyweight, Heart like the REAL DEAL ( as Evidence with his Power Punching Contest with DAVID TUA) But the same as MIKE TYSON IKE has to go to JAIL Accused of RAPE. But Unlike MIKE IKE Went to Jail without having to reach his POTENTIAL. Thus MAking Boxing FAN in LIMBO and Wondering What if IKE had not been Jailed. Well we will never Know he screwed up his Chance He disappont his Fans. He could have been, thats the Best thing he could offer.

3. Michael Moorer

Think of Michael Moorer as a Heavy weight, and you will remember a Fighter outpointed a Prime Holyfield only to lost by a single PUNCH(in His first defense of his crown) to an OLD GEORGE FOREMAN, a fighter who was Knocked down Five Times In the Rematch with Holyfield, and a fighter who lasted 30 seconds against the TUAMAN. But think of MOORER as LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT and you will FIND out, a Devastating Puncher with a 22 0 record with all his wins by way of knockout. what if Moorer stayed a t light heavy, he could have obliterated JONES, TARVER might not have a chance to rule the division. But Moorer Move up to Heavyweight and becomes LAZY in his Training Thus Causes his every heavyweight performance looks like a Nuissance when his Fightin the Best. Well He is not Yet retired he still have a chence but a very slim Chance.

4. Michael Grant:

You have seen the HYPE, and you have the seen the YPE goes down in Blitz. A hulking 6'7 frame, has the potential to clean out the Heavyweight Division but one Big Mistake Cost this kid his Bright Future. A young and Undefeated Michael Grant was Pited against a Strong and Hungry Heavyweight Champion Lennox Lewis, a move which serve fatal to the young carrer of a good heavyweight prospect GRANT went on to lose in the second round in a fight Dubbed as CLASH OF The TITANS. From then on GRANT's Confidence is no where to be found, if only Grant was being Pace slowly he could have gotten LEWIS by The Time he is Ready to be Picked.

5. Oliver Mc Call:

A strong puncher and a very good CHIN, Sent Lennox Lewis to dreamland with a single punch. But went on to Lose to another Brit, Frank Bruno by UD. and Cried in The 5th round of the Lennox Lewis Rematch. This Guy has the Crude skills to take him places. Has a very good CHIN to compete with the BEST. But suddenly lost his SANITY to Drug Addiction.

What Can I say these fighters have their chance but Circumastances occured that they might or might not have control over it cost their chances to obtain Superstar Status or a Chance to be recognize as one of the Greats.

You Might Have your own list Please tell Me yours.


i agree, but Moorer wouldnt have taken Jones at light heavy, he was too slow, he would have gotten picked apart and jones would win by boring UD. It's too bad about Bowe and Ike, I thought they were going to be great as well.

i agree, but Moorer wouldnt have taken Jones at light heavy, he was too slow, he would have gotten picked apart and jones would win by boring UD. It's too bad about Bowe and Ike, I thought they were going to be great as well.


Honorable Mentions

Andrew Golota: Idiot in The ring when leading his Fouling

Gerard Mclellan: Too strong a Puncher, but couldnt take a Punch himself. Unfortunate Injury cost his carrer and life.

Howard Davis comnes to mind for me. Also the other olympian who tried acting .....can't recall the name and THAT speaks volumes.
(about both his disapointing career and my oncoming senility!) :eek: ;)
He was in the film "Taps" with a very young Tom Cruise I believe.

Andrew Golota
Oliver McCall
Gerald McClellan
Lamar Parks-maybe overstating it a bit but I loved him
Ike
Razor Ruddock
Joel Casamayor-if he wasn't such a ***** I think this guy could be a lot better than he is

If someone is great or not really comes down to the opinion of a person. No one is officially great in everyones eyes, in reality Ali is one of the greatest ever but not everyone believes that. I heard someone say Joe Louis wasn't great, thats wrong but thats there opinion. Greatness is an opinion

If someone is great or not really comes down to the opinion of a person. No one is officially great in everyones eyes, in reality Ali is one of the greatest ever but not everyone believes that. I heard someone say Joe Louis wasn't great, thats wrong but thats there opinion. Greatness is an opinion

You are definitetly right man.

But in your Opinion.

Who Do you think were the fighters who had the chance to be recognize by the Majority as one of The Greatest But screwed up their chances.

Have your own list?

1. Riddick Bowe:

The Big Daddy, Have the size of a Monster and a Power and skills that Have the Potential to Clean Out the Eagerly Exciting Heavyweight division in the Early ninties. He showed his heart and skills in his Two Fights with the Real Deal and Showcase his Power when he Knocked him out Cold in their RubberMATCH Until he Run against a Wild Rugged Foul Pole in GOLOTA their First two MATCH were suppose to be one of The great fights. Untill Golota made stupid mistakes by Fouling BOWE. In their two bouts. That was Big Daddy's Last fight befor his life bercomes a mess. Now he is making a comeback, a comeback in the ERA in which the Heavyweight Division has no More LEWIS, had an OLD VANDER, an injury PLAGUE MIKE TYSON, a HUGGING RUIZ, and a POWDER PUNCHING BYRD. Bowe may beat all these fighters but then he could never claim greatness like WHAT an ALI or a LOUIS had.

2. IKE IBEAUCHI:

In The Middle Nineties Heavyweight Division Has so Many Potential Superstar, But no One has the same intimidating presence as THE PRESIDENT IKE IBEAUCHI. He's got the intimidation power as much as the same amount of punching power as a PRIME TYSON (As Evidence of His Anihillation Of CHRIS BYRD)
The Chin that could take even the strongest Punching Heavyweight, Heart like the REAL DEAL ( as Evidence with his Power Punching Contest with DAVID TUA) But the same as MIKE TYSON IKE has to go to JAIL Accused of RAPE. But Unlike MIKE IKE Went to Jail without having to reach his POTENTIAL. Thus MAking Boxing FAN in LIMBO and Wondering What if IKE had not been Jailed. Well we will never Know he screwed up his Chance He disappont his Fans. He could have been, thats the Best thing he could offer.

3. Michael Moorer

Think of Michael Moorer as a Heavy weight, and you will remember a Fighter outpointed a Prime Holyfield only to lost by a single PUNCH(in His first defense of his crown) to an OLD GEORGE FOREMAN, a fighter who was Knocked down Five Times In the Rematch with Holyfield, and a fighter who lasted 30 seconds against the TUAMAN. But think of MOORER as LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT and you will FIND out, a Devastating Puncher with a 22 0 record with all his wins by way of knockout. what if Moorer stayed a t light heavy, he could have obliterated JONES, TARVER might not have a chance to rule the division. But Moorer Move up to Heavyweight and becomes LAZY in his Training Thus Causes his every heavyweight performance looks like a Nuissance when his Fightin the Best. Well He is not Yet retired he still have a chence but a very slim Chance.

4. Michael Grant:

You have seen the HYPE, and you have the seen the HYPE goes down in Blitz. A hulking 6'7 frame, has the potential to clean out the Heavyweight Division but one Big Mistake Cost this kid his Bright Future. A young and Undefeated Michael Grant was Pited against a Strong and Hungry Heavyweight Champion Lennox Lewis, a move which serve fatal to the young carrer of a good heavyweight prospect GRANT went on to lose in the second round in a fight Dubbed as CLASH OF The TITANS. From then on GRANT's Confidence is no where to be found, if only Grant was being Pace slowly he could have gotten LEWIS by The Time he is Ready to be Picked.

5. Oliver Mc Call:

A strong puncher and a very good CHIN, Sent Lennox Lewis to dreamland with a single punch. But went on to Lose to another Brit, Frank Bruno by UD. and Cried in The 5th round of the Lennox Lewis Rematch. This Guy has the Crude skills to take him places. Has a very good CHIN to compete with the BEST. But suddenly lost his SANITY to Drug Addiction.

What Can I say these fighters have their chance but Circumastances occured that they might or might not have control over it cost their chances to obtain Superstar Status or a Chance to be recognize as one of the Greats.

You Might Have your own list Please tell Me yours.


I think your list is accurate, all those fighters had a chance to be great.

The guy who I think is the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen is Ridick Bowe. Bowe could do everything and had all the talent in the world he was just so damn lazy

I think one should mention Mike Tyson! Tyon could have been so much bigger and better than he was. If say Cus hadn`t died when he did and Rooney stayed with him and Mike stayed sain, i think he would have gone down as one of the true greats. Now he is the champ who lost every fight where some one stood up to him, not a champion at all!

Joel Casamayor-if he wasn't such a ***** I think this guy could be a lot better than he is

How is Casamayor a *****? I agree he can be alot better if he boxes more rather than slugging it out but that doesn't make him a *****. Remember Frietas doesn't want to give him a rematch and Corrales has not made an attempt to make a rubbermatch after Casamayor gave him a rematch. I think you should question them more than Casamayor.

Ike Ibeabuchi! IKe Ibeabuchi! Ike Ibeabuchi! That man could have ruled the heavyweight division with an iron fist for as long as he wanted. He could have been a real undisputed hw champ, there's nobody out there now who could hang with Ike in his prime. NOBODY! Ike makes me sad, he's the biggest waste of talent in the last 30 years!

If Meldrick Taylor didn't have JCC around he would have been great. Or maybe even if he had been able to continue in that first fight (unlikely he had the fight beat out of him).

David Reid
Bowe
Ike Quartey (long layoffs and decisions)

Riddick Bowe is top on my list, and may I add Tommy Morrison.

tony ayala = better then chavez..but went to jail for rape...got out and 40 and returned to boxing..still was tuff and had heart..but couldnt fight anymore

riddick bowe= was just plain nasty for a while

3 words, Ferocious Fernando Vargas!!

It's very sad that so many people that have so much talent throw it away.

DONALD CURRY.....

Between '84 - '86.....I have never seen a better fighter.
This S.O.B. could do everything...& do everything exceptionally well.
He was fighting a decent amount, always against the best opposition....& winning in brilliant fashion.
Then, somewhere along the way.....he lost it. Don't know how or why, but it just disappeared.

JOSE LUIS LOPEZ.....

This guy had dynamite in both hands. Hands that moved very quickly, & put together beautiful combos. He had a granite chin.
Had he been more aggressive, he'd have taken out Ike Quartey.
But, he was too laid back...in & out of the ring.
Surfing, eating, smoking weed.....they were bigger "passions" than boxing, & that's why he never made it to the big time.

mike tyson and ibeabuchi, not morrison he sucked, i think he accomplished everything he could have

tony ayala = better then chavez..but went to jail for rape...got out and 40 and returned to boxing..still was tuff and had heart..but couldnt fight anymore

riddick bowe= was just plain nasty for a while


Ayala was never gonna be better than Chavez.
He was slow, easy to hit, & was almost KO'd in an early fight.

Plus, if he avoids jail....he winds up in the mix with Hagler, Hearns, & Leonard.
These guys would have BUTCHERED his chubby ass.

Greg Page- very special, could have truly been a great fighter, but politics,lack of development as a fighter, and his eating habits destroyed him.
Michael Dokes-Drugs, and lack of development hurt him.
Davey Moore-probably shouldn't have fought Duran, but could have been better than what he was.
Bernard Taylor-should have fought better competition.Actually was beating Predroza in their fight.
Howard Davis Jr.-maybe should have moved up to junior welterweight.May not have beaten Pryor, but just about everyone else.

No way Moorer would have blasted Jones out of this world, he was the biggest puncher in the Light-Heavyweight division bar none

Barry McGuigan not because he wasnt talented but because he got screwed by his manager and all that. Still was a great fighter though. He had bad luck with cuts too.

Tyson - never reached his potential, ended up being a hard hitting circus act.

Mosley - with the exception of RJJ, I can't think of anyone else who looked (at lightweight) like they desereved the nickname "Sugar" more.

Riddick Bowe - for obvious reasons

Aaron Pryor - "The Hawk" was one of the toughest, most complete fighters you'll ever see. But look where he stands all time for his accomplishments.

Bowe was the truth man, its not his he was spent after holy III

Andrew Golota I mean he had the fight won and he couldn't resist the low blows
oh yea and Meldrick Taylor I mean the guy was three seconds away

What about the great white hype errrrrrrrr I meant hope? Gerry Cooney

Tony Tucker had more potential than Bowe.He be doing the drugs even before he fought Tyson.Also, unlike Bowe, he was not into the homosexual tendencies that Big Daddy exhibited towards Newman.

1) Bowe- The best heavyweight while Tyson was in prison but could've been much more.
2) McClellan- Struck down in his prime.
3) Tyson- He was champ but if his personal life didn't go down the comode he could have been one of the greatest fighters ever.
4) Curry- Became champ quickly and then fell off the boxing charts just as quickly.

Honorable Mentions

Andrew Golota: Idiot in The ring when leading his Fouling

Gerard Mclellan: Too strong a Puncher, but couldnt take a Punch himself. Unfortunate Injury cost his carrer and life.

What McClellan fight led you to believe that he couldn't take a punch? I'm just curious.

Howard Davis comnes to mind for me. Also the other olympian who tried acting .....can't recall the name and THAT speaks volumes.
(about both his disapointing career and my oncoming senility!) :eek: ;)
He was in the film "Taps" with a very young Tom Cruise I believe.

Howard could have been a champion, in retrospect, if he had the sense to fight the right people for the championship.

Emanuel Burton/Augustus- Might sound stupid to you but if he was consistent and didn't do stupid **** in every fight he could of been a great. He has so much raw talent. He threw away every single fight...I mean he considered himself an "entertainer" not a boxer, he wanted to make most fights close so the fans would be on their feet.

Tyson, De la HOya, Lewis, ALI, Louis, etc...

So many great boxers to Mentioned. but What About Those boxers who was in Their way to Greatness and a Chance to greatness but a certain EVent took place that forever screwd their carrers.

I have Some in My list and maybe you have your own.

Here are mine.

1. Riddick Bowe:

The Big Daddy, Have the size of a Monster and a Power and skills that Have the Potential to Clean Out the Eagerly Exciting Heavyweight division in the Early ninties. He showed his heart and skills in his Two Fights with the Real Deal and Showcase his Power when he Knocked him out Cold in their RubberMATCH Until he Run against a Wild Rugged Foul Pole in GOLOTA their First two MATCH were suppose to be one of The great fights. Untill Golota made stupid mistakes by Fouling BOWE. In their two bouts. That was Big Daddy's Last fight befor his life bercomes a mess. Now he is making a comeback, a comeback in the ERA in which the Heavyweight Division has no More LEWIS, had an OLD VANDER, an injury PLAGUE MIKE TYSON, a HUGGING RUIZ, and a POWDER PUNCHING BYRD. Bowe may beat all these fighters but then he could never claim greatness like WHAT an ALI or a LOUIS had.

2. IKE IBEAUCHI:

In The Middle Nineties Heavyweight Division Has so Many Potential Superstar, But no One has the same intimidating presence as THE PRESIDENT IKE IBEAUCHI. He's got the intimidation power as much as the same amount of punching power as a PRIME TYSON (As Evidence of His Anihillation Of CHRIS BYRD)
The Chin that could take even the strongest Punching Heavyweight, Heart like the REAL DEAL ( as Evidence with his Power Punching Contest with DAVID TUA) But the same as MIKE TYSON IKE has to go to JAIL Accused of RAPE. But Unlike MIKE IKE Went to Jail without having to reach his POTENTIAL. Thus MAking Boxing FAN in LIMBO and Wondering What if IKE had not been Jailed. Well we will never Know he screwed up his Chance He disappont his Fans. He could have been, thats the Best thing he could offer.

3. Michael Moorer

Think of Michael Moorer as a Heavy weight, and you will remember a Fighter outpointed a Prime Holyfield only to lost by a single PUNCH(in His first defense of his crown) to an OLD GEORGE FOREMAN, a fighter who was Knocked down Five Times In the Rematch with Holyfield, and a fighter who lasted 30 seconds against the TUAMAN. But think of MOORER as LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT and you will FIND out, a Devastating Puncher with a 22 0 record with all his wins by way of knockout. what if Moorer stayed a t light heavy, he could have obliterated JONES, TARVER might not have a chance to rule the division. But Moorer Move up to Heavyweight and becomes LAZY in his Training Thus Causes his every heavyweight performance looks like a Nuissance when his Fightin the Best. Well He is not Yet retired he still have a chence but a very slim Chance.

4. Michael Grant:

You have seen the HYPE, and you have the seen the HYPE goes down in Blitz. A hulking 6'7 frame, has the potential to clean out the Heavyweight Division but one Big Mistake Cost this kid his Bright Future. A young and Undefeated Michael Grant was Pited against a Strong and Hungry Heavyweight Champion Lennox Lewis, a move which serve fatal to the young carrer of a good heavyweight prospect GRANT went on to lose in the second round in a fight Dubbed as CLASH OF The TITANS. From then on GRANT's Confidence is no where to be found, if only Grant was being Pace slowly he could have gotten LEWIS by The Time he is Ready to be Picked.

5. Oliver Mc Call:

A strong puncher and a very good CHIN, Sent Lennox Lewis to dreamland with a single punch. But went on to Lose to another Brit, Frank Bruno by UD. and Cried in The 5th round of the Lennox Lewis Rematch. This Guy has the Crude skills to take him places. Has a very good CHIN to compete with the BEST. But suddenly lost his SANITY to Drug Addiction.

What Can I say these fighters have their chance but Circumastances occured that they might or might not have control over it cost their chances to obtain Superstar Status or a Chance to be recognize as one of the Greats.

You Might Have your own list Please tell Me yours.
Yeah and if it wasnt for the Vietnamese war then Ali would have been even greater than what he ended up being. Never mix politics with sport, its constantly said.

Chris Eubank, he could of been fighter of the decade.

Whoever said McClellan couldn't take a punch needs their head tested, and eyes tested. McClellan took a punch as well as anybody and was so strong to go with it, arguably the best chin I've seen.

Chris Eubank, he could of been fighter of the decade.


hahaha what a suprise...
why wasnt eubank fighter of the decade?

hahaha what a suprise...
why wasnt eubank fighter of the decade?
He disabled Watson and never was the same again, he was also avoided.

Larry Merchant made that quote by the way "He could of been fighter of the decade" referring to Eubank.

Manny Steward said "He can be as good as he wants to be.." and basically was saying what a waste of potential (even though Eubank did achieve a lot).

ha ha ha. Like I said Collins washes off that boring uninspiring ackward JuJuy boyfriend and that was the same Collins that McCallum beat the living **** our of him. Collins after little success in America cleaned up the UK middleweights finishing Benn and washes off that enigmatic JujUy boyfriend.

ha ha ha. Like I said Collins washes off that boring uninspiring ackward JuJuy boyfriend and that was the same Collins that McCallum beat the living **** our of him. Collins after little success in America cleaned up the UK middleweights finishing Benn and washes off that enigmatic JujUy boyfriend.
I'm not going to bother replying to you anymore.

Well that's what you get for priming Eubank too much and try to manipulate the facts. Like I said Benn is exciting too watch and Eubank is uninspiring.

He disabled Watson and never was the same again, he was also avoided.

Larry Merchant made that quote by the way "He could of been fighter of the decade" referring to Eubank.

Manny Steward said "He can be as good as he wants to be.." and basically was saying what a waste of potential (even though Eubank did achieve a lot).
Yeah ill buy into that, Eubank was brilliant. But he stole the vault over the ropes from Hamed :p .

Yeah ill buy into that, Eubank was brilliant. But he stole the vault over the ropes from Hamed :p .
Hamed made a fool of himself with that claim.

He disabled Watson and never was the same again, he was also avoided.

Larry Merchant made that quote by the way "He could of been fighter of the decade" referring to Eubank.

Manny Steward said "He can be as good as he wants to be.." and basically was saying what a waste of potential (even though Eubank did achieve a lot).

yeah, thats what i was thinking, eubank did accomplish alot, which is why i was suprised when you saiud you would consider him a "could of been great."

Greg Page

Michael Dokes

Tim Witherspoon

Eddie Mustapha Muhammad

Tony Ayala maybe

Donald Curry - for all those pondering the expert theory was that he stayed at welter too long. His last couple of fights he had had trouble making the weight apparently and this as well as Honeyghan being vastly underrated supposedly contributed to his loss, from which he never recovered really. They say he should have hit Junior Middle a couple of fights earlier than this fight.

Aaron Pryor - we never got to see how good he really was.

Jef Chandler - JUST missed.

Hector Camacho - changed dramatically after Rosario frightened him.

Sal Sanchez - untimely death.

Riddick Bowe could have been a all time great heavyweight...

i can think of two huge wastes of talent ....

1 - ricardo williams - this mf'in dude .....

2 - man, i'm having a hard time remembering his name but i was SUCH a believer in this mexican dude ... dammit ... dude who was trained by floyd mayweather sr for a bit then by mcgirt, lost to rubio and jesse james leija.

if these two morons had someone to smack their ***** asses up and get 'um in line then the 140 division would be STACKEDDDDDD.

i'm not finishing this post until i remember his name .... AHHH! FRANCISCO PANCHITO BOJADO - fast ass hands, concussive power, great lateral movement - dude had infinite potential - 2 years ago i was telling people how this'll be the epitome of taino/azteca war w/ he and cotto going at it.

anyone remember this dude?

BOXING's COULD HAVE BEEN GREATS!

What Can I say these fighters have their chance but Circumastances occured that they might or might not have control over it cost their chances to obtain Superstar Status or a Chance to be recognize as one of the Greats.

You Might Have your own list Please tell Me yours.
Roy Jones Junior could have been a great, if only he'd have stepped up and fought the right people instead of taking the easy options each time.

Who knows, he may have been beaten a lot earlier had he fought the best in each division... :dunno: ... But if he had taken the chance, and it paid off... He might be known as one of the all time greats, instead of his wasted career.

Greg Page

Michael Dokes

Tim Witherspoon

Eddie Mustapha Muhammad

Tony Ayala maybe

Donald Curry - for all those pondering the expert theory was that he stayed at welter too long. His last couple of fights he had had trouble making the weight apparently and this as well as Honeyghan being vastly underrated supposedly contributed to his loss, from which he never recovered really. They say he should have hit Junior Middle a couple of fights earlier than this fight.

Aaron Pryor - we never got to see how good he really was.

Jef Chandler - JUST missed.

Hector Camacho - changed dramatically after Rosario frightened him.

Sal Sanchez - untimely death.


Who would you pick in a Page vs Dokes matchup?

i'm not finishing this post until i remember his name .... AHHH! FRANCISCO PANCHITO BOJADO - fast ass hands, concussive power, great lateral movement - dude had infinite potential - 2 years ago i was telling people how this'll be the epitome of taino/azteca war w/ he and cotto going at it.

anyone remember this dude?
Panchito was the truth hopefully he makes a comeback, with a couple of decent opponents it would be great to see him go at it with Cotto and think that would be another classic PR/Mex war.

i'm not finishing this post until i remember his name .... AHHH! FRANCISCO PANCHITO BOJADO - fast ass hands, concussive power, great lateral movement - dude had infinite potential - 2 years ago i was telling people how this'll be the epitome of taino/azteca war w/ he and cotto going at it.

anyone remember this dude?
Panchito was the truth hopefully he makes a comeback, with a couple of decent opponents it would be great to see him go at it with Cotto I think that would be another classic PR/Mex war.

Greg Page

Michael Dokes

Tim Witherspoon

Eddie Mustapha Muhammad

Tony Ayala maybe

Donald Curry - for all those pondering the expert theory was that he stayed at welter too long. His last couple of fights he had had trouble making the weight apparently and this as well as Honeyghan being vastly underrated supposedly contributed to his loss, from which he never recovered really. They say he should have hit Junior Middle a couple of fights earlier than this fight.

Aaron Pryor - we never got to see how good he really was.

Jef Chandler - JUST missed.

Hector Camacho - changed dramatically after Rosario frightened him.

Sal Sanchez - untimely death.

Tony Ayala was a tremendous talent, but there were probably several who would have handed him defeat.

Tony Ayala was a tremendous talent, but there were probably several who would have handed him defeat.


I totally agree.

Ayala was fierce, & could really punch....but he was competing in the era of Leonard, Hearns, & Hagler. They'd have all MURDERED him.
He also would have been chopped up by McCallum, & beaten by a motivated Duran.

He had defensive liabilties....wasn't that fast, & could be rocked.

He was very, very exciting, though.

I thought ricardo williams had the potential to be great, he was so elusive, he had the potential to be better defensively than mayweather in my opinion...

Andrew Golota: shoulda kept his head straight. couldve beaten any HW except lewis.

Meldrick Taylor: Richard Steele robbed taylor in the biggest fight of taylor's life.

Riddick Bowe: shoulda kept his weight down.

Arturo Gatti: shoulda changed his style earlier in his career.

Panchito was the truth hopefully he makes a comeback, with a couple of decent opponents it would be great to see him go at it with Cotto I think that would be another classic PR/Mex war.

i hope so dude - someone needs to take this dude under his wing and impart some drive in him. those were the good days, when he and cotto were on a crash course to meet in like 2006 - that loss to rubio and jesse james - although i thought were bad, unmotivated losses - not detrimental to the kids career.

had he kept on - both he and cotto wudda made MILLIONS bringing another pr/mex war.

hopefully he emerges again - this time sticking it out with ONE g'damn trainer.

Definitely Riddick Bowe, only 1 career loss and he avenged it. If he just fought and beat Tyson or Lewis (which I am not sure if he could) he would have been the best fighter of the times, instead of fourth

Ike Quartey- Inactivity for so long and then losing his desire to fight after a controversial loss to DLH.

Razor Ruddock- After his 2 fights with Tyson he was never the same fighter.

Mike Tyson- With his personal troubles affecting him in the ring we never saw his true potential because he rose to the top so fast & lost really before he hit his prime and then was jailed.

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Ike Quartey- Inactivity for so long and then losing his desire to fight after a controversial loss to DLH.

Razor Ruddock- After his 2 fights with Tyson he was never the same fighter.

Mike Tyson- With his personal troubles affecting him in the ring we never saw his true potential because he rose to the top so fast & lost really before he hit his prime and then was jailed.


Ike had lost the true desire to fight before he fought Oscar DeLaHoya.
He had been horribly inactive.

McClellan ..

If he just fought and beat Tyson or Lewis (which I am not sure if he could) he would have been the best fighter of the times, instead of fourth


He threw away a belt rather than fight Lewis, who would have Golota'd him even worse. I would put Bowe on a list of overachievers. He got one classic fight - Holyfield I - and then he lost to Holyfield when Holy fought his usual style instead of trying to overpower the much bigger guy. A neverwas contender like Golota totally beat him to a pulp.

A true 'underachiever' has to be someone who never got the chance in the ring for whatever reason, like say, Ike Ibeabuchi or Muhammad Ali. Ali never fought in what would have been his best years. He's still great in my book, but wow, what could have been and maybe he wouldn't be a walking corpse now.

All the guys that fought achieved what they were capable of. For example, some say that Meldrick Taylor was robbed against JCC and lost a chance at greatness. C'mon, it didn't matter what the ref did, the guy took his beating already and was never the same afterwards no matter what the decision was in the fight. Maybe you could argue Taylor would have been great if JCC was never born or something. Fact is, it was JCC that emerged as great because of his body of work over his very long career, not just one fight.

I do agree that some fighters appear to be on another level and then fall apart quickly, ala Donald Curry. You just have to accept that they fulfilled their potential and they lacked something that would have kept them at the top. They weren't that great after all.