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!! Shawn
06-22-2008, 01:33 PM
Two rounds of defensive drills with Luke!

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First round is Luke throwing punches at me. Second round is me throwing punches at Luke.
Heavy emphasis is placed on relaxation.

These rounds were filmed immediately prior to our "sparring", which the more astute among you realize was merely an escalation of the defensive drills.

Fidayin
06-22-2008, 01:45 PM
damn uve got some nice skills if ur the guy whose working with the pads.
If ur one of those 2 retards dancing with each other in the ring then i would suggest to find another hobby.

TheTruthIs
06-22-2008, 01:58 PM
The kid on the pads has some decent snap going on. Not sure what that fairy dance was going on behind him tho.

Trrmo
06-22-2008, 02:12 PM
I gave you a bit of criticism when I saw the defensive drill video of you ´sparring´with Luke, but I hadnt seen any other videos of you so I took a look.

I was quite surprised because in the shadow boxing and bag punching video and to be honest you moved well, looked fluid, comfortable in southpaw and orthodox stance, you threw a good variety of punches as well. You looked quite experienced and I wouldnt say novice at all. You werent hitting the bag hard because of sore hands ok fair enough, the only real criticism I could see is you often do this little stylistic hand rolls fist over fist between punches which is a bad habit which could make your punches more predictable to an opponent.

But these videos of you with Luke is a different story, it doesnt seem the same person. Your footwork is plodding and one directional (the ring is very small which does make things difficult I admit) You right hand is often carried above your forehead with you elbow out quite far which looks very strange. It really does look very novice. What is the purpose of posting these videos?

sterling
06-22-2008, 02:22 PM
thats **** stfu shawn.

Nacho_Analstain
06-22-2008, 02:25 PM
What you do with your hands is weird, Either down by your side or up really high and wide.

What part of that video did you try to trick him? You say thats what your style is based on but i don't see it, You walked around the ring in the same direction in the whole video, All Luke had to do was cut the ring off and put pressure on.

Besides, Luke was throwing piss poor shots at you, Not too hard to defend.

Why don't you practice defending at full speed, Power and aggression? Thats how you get better, You act sharper and learn quicker when you know you HAVE to defend the punch or your getting smacked, While you were dancing around with Luke .. In the back of your head you were thinking " Even if he connects its not gonna hurt " and thats not good.

!! Shawn
06-22-2008, 02:48 PM
I gave you a bit of criticism when I saw the defensive drill video of you ´sparring´with Luke, but I hadnt seen any other videos of you so I took a look.

I was quite surprised because in the shadow boxing and bag punching video and to be honest you moved well, looked fluid, comfortable in southpaw and orthodox stance, you threw a good variety of punches as well. You looked quite experienced and I wouldnt say novice at all. You werent hitting the bag hard because of sore hands ok fair enough, the only real criticism I could see is you often do this little stylistic hand rolls fist over fist between punches which is a bad habit which could make your punches more predictable to an opponent.

But these videos of you with Luke is a different story, it doesnt seem the same person. Your footwork is plodding and one directional (the ring is very small which does make things difficult I admit) You right hand is often carried above your forehead with you elbow out quite far which looks very strange. It really does look very novice. What is the purpose of posting these videos?

I haven't brought it up because I don't like to make excuses, but all of the footage with Luke was made while I had two broken toes. My big toe on my right foot, and my middle toe on my left foot.

I broke them sailing, jumped from the deck into the ****pit and landed wrong. AZZA can confirm my story.

The hand high with the elbow out is a controlling tactic. Its basically hovering there and your opponent knows if they try anything with their left hand, that right hand is coming down on them. Your opponent also has a tendency to look at that hand up there and try to figure out a way to get past it, but while they are doing that, they forget about the other punches you can throw.

It also give you the ability to pull down their jab which is absolute hell on their shoulder. Fatigues their jabbing arm very very quickly if they try to throw with any power.

Usually they will start bringing their jab back low in an attempt to try to avoid the pull down, and that is the real purpose of the move. It forces them to either stop jabbing, or to jab in a way that creates perfect counter-punching opportunities.

I also like to do it on occasion with my left hand to their strait right. Although its not really as effective in creating usable openings, it can put them off balance, and it is very discouraging to your opponent.

I agree with you about what I call the "choo-choo". I use it as part of my feinting arsenal, there are lots of subtle feints included in the motion that is not really visible at the low video qualities on youtube.

I have got in the habit of doing it pretty much every time I am about to punch, its definitely something I need to stop doing.

!! Shawn
06-22-2008, 03:01 PM
What you do with your hands is weird, Either down by your side or up really high and wide.

What part of that video did you try to trick him? You say thats what your style is based on but i don't see it, You walked around the ring in the same direction in the whole video, All Luke had to do was cut the ring off and put pressure on.

Besides, Luke was throwing piss poor shots at you, Not too hard to defend.

Why don't you practice defending at full speed, Power and aggression? Thats how you get better, You act sharper and learn quicker when you know you HAVE to defend the punch or your getting smacked, While you were dancing around with Luke .. In the back of your head you were thinking " Even if he connects its not gonna hurt " and thats not good.

That is the reason why you throw light punches when you are focusing on relaxation. You are not going to relax if you are thinking, "If I **** up I am gonna get KTFO!".

On a side note, getting hit never even crosses my mind when I am in the ring.

P4PKING_2008
06-22-2008, 03:03 PM
I haven't brought it up because I don't like to make excuses, but all of the footage with Luke was made while I had two broken toes. My big toe on my right foot, and my middle toe on my left foot.

I broke them sailing, jumped from the deck into the ****pit and landed wrong. AZZA can confirm my story.

The hand high with the elbow out is a controlling tactic. Its basically hovering there and your opponent knows if they try anything with their left hand, that right hand is coming down on them. Your opponent also has a tendency to look at that hand up there and try to figure out a way to get past it, but while they are doing that, they forget about the other punches you can throw.

It also give you the ability to pull down their jab which is absolute hell on their shoulder. Fatigues their jabbing arm very very quickly if they try to throw with any power.

Usually they will start bringing their jab back low in an attempt to try to avoid the pull down, and that is the real purpose of the move. It forces them to either stop jabbing, or to jab in a way that creates perfect counter-punching opportunities.

I also like to do it on occasion with my left hand to their strait right. Although its not really as effective in creating usable openings, it can put them off balance, and it is very discouraging to your opponent.

I agree with you about what I call the "choo-choo". I use it as part of my feinting arsenal, there are lots of subtle feints included in the motion that is not really visible at the low video qualities on youtube.

I have got in the habit of doing it pretty much every time I am about to punch, its definitely something I need to stop doing.


That is complete bulll****. And no one does it at all. Because it simply would not work. Controlling tactic you need to just man up and fight instead of trying to play mind games with your opponent.

Trrmo
06-22-2008, 03:31 PM
The hand high with the elbow out is a controlling tactic. Its basically hovering there and your opponent knows if they try anything with their left hand, that right hand is coming down on them.

I would like anyone reading this to put their right hand high on the side of their foreheads with their elbow out and then throw a punch, try it, and it will be a slapping arm punch from the elbow like trying to knuckle someone on their head (unless they are 7 foot tall!) not what I would call effective. Also leaves your right side of your body very vulnerable.

I agree with you about what I call the "choo-choo". I use it as part of my feinting arsenal, there are lots of subtle feints included in the motion that is not really visible at the low video qualities on youtube
I have got in the habit of doing it pretty much every time I am about to punch, its definitely something I need to stop doing.

well at least you accept some constructive criticism, but subtle feints in this ´choo-choo´roll, are you serious!!!

(sorry about the quoting not sure how to do this properly)

Actus Reus 21
06-22-2008, 03:37 PM
I haven't brought it up because I don't like to make excuses, but all of the footage with Luke was made while I had two broken toes. My big toe on my right foot, and my middle toe on my left foot.

I broke them sailing, jumped from the deck into the ****pit and landed wrong. AZZA can confirm my story.

The hand high with the elbow out is a controlling tactic. Its basically hovering there and your opponent knows if they try anything with their left hand, that right hand is coming down on them. Your opponent also has a tendency to look at that hand up there and try to figure out a way to get past it, but while they are doing that, they forget about the other punches you can throw.

It also give you the ability to pull down their jab which is absolute hell on their shoulder. Fatigues their jabbing arm very very quickly if they try to throw with any power.

Usually they will start bringing their jab back low in an attempt to try to avoid the pull down, and that is the real purpose of the move. It forces them to either stop jabbing, or to jab in a way that creates perfect counter-punching opportunities.

I also like to do it on occasion with my left hand to their strait right. Although its not really as effective in creating usable openings, it can put them off balance, and it is very discouraging to your opponent.

I agree with you about what I call the "choo-choo". I use it as part of my feinting arsenal, there are lots of subtle feints included in the motion that is not really visible at the low video qualities on youtube.

I have got in the habit of doing it pretty much every time I am about to punch, its definitely something I need to stop doing.

defensive drill is what all our videos should be called! not SPARRING!

!! Shawn
06-22-2008, 04:06 PM
The hand high with the elbow out is a controlling tactic. Its basically hovering there and your opponent knows if they try anything with their left hand, that right hand is coming down on them.

I would like anyone reading this to put their right hand high on the side of their foreheads with their elbow out and then throw a punch, try it, and it will be a slapping arm punch from the elbow like trying to knuckle someone on their head (unless they are 7 foot tall!) not what I would call effective. Also leaves your right side of your body very vulnerable.


The hand is not held on the side of the forehead, it is a good foot infront and to the right. It is a punching motion that you have to practice, but once you get it down, you can turn it over pretty good. Its a motion very reminiscent of the "phantom punch" that Ali put Liston down with.

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You have to REALLY turn your hand over, you will end up with your palm facing completely right. Think of it as a corkscrew punch.

I only use that punch once or twice though. Just enough to give holding my hand out there like meaning. Just like any other feint, its useless if your opponent doesn't respect the punch you are feinting.

I personally like the move most for tiring out their jabbing arm and forcing them to bring it back low.

And like everything in boxing, there are trade offs and risks you have to take. Leaving your body open is one of them, but you do learn to minimize that risk.

I also have a feeling that we might be talking about different things so if you would tell me what time it is in the video, I could better explain what and why I am doing something.

**EDIT**

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Go to 8:20 of the video. At 8:25 I throw the punch. Even though it wasn't thrown with 100% power, it was still hard enough to spin his head around a bit and make Luke take a step back.

At 3:50 I also threw one a little harder than I intended, but still not with 100% power, Luke says "I'm glad I blocked that one!"

Nacho_Analstain
06-22-2008, 04:16 PM
Fair enough ... I don't see how it gels together but fair enough.

Something about your gym, You never seem to be supervised, Just free training how you like, Don't you have a routine and doesn't your trainer keep an eye on you to spot mistakes and stop you making bad habits?

Also who's the guy on the pads, He looks alright.

!! Shawn
06-22-2008, 04:44 PM
Fair enough ... I don't see how it gels together but fair enough.

Something about your gym, You never seem to be supervised, Just free training how you like, Don't you have a routine and doesn't your trainer keep an eye on you to spot mistakes and stop you making bad habits?

Also who's the guy on the pads, He looks alright.

In the defense video my trainer is standing at ringside at the back left post. Nothing goes unsupervised in the gym.

And which guy on the pads? White gloves is Josh; 141lb. Blue gloves is Christian, 130's. Christian is fast, but unfortunately he is a bleeder. 0-3 with 3 stoppages on his nose.

It sucks because he is pretty good, but if he even gets tapped on his nose it starts gushing blood.

!! Shawn
06-22-2008, 04:52 PM
I think I know what you guys are talking about now.

When I put my hands up to my ears and stick my elbows way out. That wasn't anything boxing related, just sticking my tongue out and making elephant ears at Luke, lol. Probably shouldn't have done it, but I was enjoying myself.

Trrmo
06-22-2008, 05:04 PM
that punch by Ali has nothing to do with carrying your right high and wide. Ali used right hand leads, and right hand arm punches to great effect, timed them perfectly as the opponent came in, but he didnt throw them from the position from where you hold your right hand.

Looping overhand rights normally have a circular motion when you drop your fist and shoulder, bring it back and around in a small circle for leverage and then over the top, a devastating punch if executed right. You hold your right hand too high and too wide for it to be used in the same manner.

Anyway, thats all I have too say and I dont wanna watch the video again. I will let others make up there minds

P4PKING_2008
06-22-2008, 05:06 PM
In the defense video my trainer is standing at ringside at the back left post. Nothing goes unsupervised in the gym.

And which guy on the pads? White gloves is Josh; 141lb. Blue gloves is Christian, 130's. Christian is fast, but unfortunately he is a bleeder. 0-3 with 3 stoppages on his nose.

It sucks because he is pretty good, but if he even gets tapped on his nose it starts gushing blood.

:lol1: Damn that sucks! We have a guy at our gym whose nose bleeds every sparring session lol. Doesn't bother him at all hes used to it but stopping on nose bleeds sucks.

!! Shawn
06-22-2008, 11:10 PM
:lol1: Damn that sucks! We have a guy at our gym whose nose bleeds every sparring session lol. Doesn't bother him at all hes used to it but stopping on nose bleeds sucks.

Yeah, I am glad I have never had any bleeding problems. I have never had any sort of bleeding from my nose ever.

Rafael Benitez
06-23-2008, 01:14 AM
damn uve got some nice skills if ur the guy whose working with the pads.
If ur one of those 2 retards dancing with each other in the ring then i would suggest to find another hobby.

I'm guessing that there is osmething personal going on here because the guy on the pads was ****. He was slow, had bad technique and may be a robot from the Chinese State Circus. No power either and no snap.

Them dudes doing drills need to make it more real. If you don't train at match tempo, you won't learn at match tempo. Be more realistic.

aussieboxer2320
06-23-2008, 03:44 AM
well you again showed you are a mediocre boxer, that guy was throwing pansy shots at you wtf is that at my gym we do alot of drills like that yes but we still keep it intense and we spar normally also. do people at your gym actually spar properly or with any degree of intensity at least???

these drills are valuable but if you dont hit hard and treat it like a fight it will give you **** all help. also that high elbow thing isnt a control tactic wtf........it just makes you look dumb and doesnt "control" them to any degree

maybe when you learn how to box with some intensity and none of this bull****ting around tapping crap people might respect you and your videos

EDIT: the guy on the pads was okay though, nice snap

aussieboxer2320
06-23-2008, 06:17 AM
hahahahha you call this sparring

!! Shawn
06-23-2008, 10:11 AM
hahahahha you call this sparring

Its disappointing to think that the children are our future.

!! Shawn
06-23-2008, 10:15 AM
well you again showed you are a mediocre boxer, that guy was throwing pansy shots at you wtf is that at my gym we do alot of drills like that yes but we still keep it intense and we spar normally also. do people at your gym actually spar properly or with any degree of intensity at least???

these drills are valuable but if you dont hit hard and treat it like a fight it will give you **** all help. also that high elbow thing isnt a control tactic wtf........it just makes you look dumb and doesnt "control" them to any degree

maybe when you learn how to box with some intensity and none of this bull****ting around tapping crap people might respect you and your videos

EDIT: the guy on the pads was okay though, nice snap

Thats not what your mom said.

Rafael Benitez
06-24-2008, 12:10 AM
Its disappointing to think that the children are our future.

You got issues, blood you need to get real. The guy was telling you the truth. Cut out that fanny **** and get to a proper gym where they spar and fight for real. How many bouts have you had? LOL. :hijacked:

Salty
06-24-2008, 12:31 AM
well you again showed you are a mediocre boxer, that guy was throwing pansy shots at you wtf is that at my gym we do alot of drills like that yes but we still keep it intense and we spar normally also. do people at your gym actually spar properly or with any degree of intensity at least???

these drills are valuable but if you dont hit hard and treat it like a fight it will give you **** all help. also that high elbow thing isnt a control tactic wtf........it just makes you look dumb and doesnt "control" them to any degree

maybe when you learn how to box with some intensity and none of this bull****ting around tapping crap people might respect you and your videos

EDIT: the guy on the pads was okay though, nice snap

I disagree, when learning new things it's much easier to start slowly so you get your biomechanics right to begin with. If you go full tilt to start with you develop bad habits. For example when new people are learning to parry, they are tense and nearly do a 90 degree motion trying to belt the punch out of the way. However you teach them with everything slowed down they can concentrate and becomes more natural. Same with everything in boxing, but especially in defencive drills. Sparrring is sparring, but defencive drills are there to practise, sparring is for using them in fight conditions.

!! Shawn
06-24-2008, 01:16 AM
I disagree, when learning new things it's much easier to start slowly so you get your biomechanics right to begin with. If you go full tilt to start with you develop bad habits. For example when new people are learning to parry, they are tense and nearly do a 90 degree motion trying to belt the punch out of the way. However you teach them with everything slowed down they can concentrate and becomes more natural. Same with everything in boxing, but especially in defencive drills. Sparrring is sparring, but defencive drills are there to practise, sparring is for using them in fight conditions.

Finally, and intelligent poster!

Rafael Benitez
06-24-2008, 01:23 AM
I disagree, when learning new things it's much easier to start slowly so you get your biomechanics right to begin with. If you go full tilt to start with you develop bad habits. For example when new people are learning to parry, they are tense and nearly do a 90 degree motion trying to belt the punch out of the way. However you teach them with everything slowed down they can concentrate and becomes more natural. Same with everything in boxing, but especially in defencive drills. Sparrring is sparring, but defencive drills are there to practise, sparring is for using them in fight conditions.

And what about fannying around on the heavy bag? Do you do that slow too and cross your legs and execute shots with incorrect technique? You have a point if they were learning it right. Looks like a poncey gym to me where little fighting goes on. You can't learn how to box like that. Here is the end result these tits should be aiming for:http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/focosi/video/x3jz6d_focosi-vs-liberati_sport

Unless you can post up a bout like the dude's cousin from Limey lounge, please do not bore us with tall tales of your talent to finally agree with a poster saying your a dumb noob who has to get over looking like a rabbit caught in headlights.