Questions I always ask myself in this dull division of today and the near distant future.

What is it about these big guys that attract the people and the mega bucks?


Looking back at these past current months even dipping into the past 10 years AT LEAST!

Why are the heavyweights still the biggest draws in boxing?

Granted the dlh vs hopkins fight was the biggest easily in the past 5 years.

But why are people so enchanted with the heavyweight division? Most heavyweights (excluding the greats such as evander/muhammad ali/foreman/norton/frazier/lewis) are dull and bland, most heavyweights today are not carrying the mystique of yesterday?


But what is the "enchantment" with the heavyweight division?

The smaller fighters (160 and below) are getting more attention then before, but soon as the next great heavyweight arises, the lighter divisions will lose their spark and be right back up to the heavies.

Lighter fighters are craftier/faster/hit hard and are beautiful to watch....Most of the time in heavyweight fights we get slow and out of shape fighters, who have no idea what they are doing in the ring to begin with. The smaller guys carry more knowledge into the ring nowadays then those big bafoons! Their isnt one heavyweight in the division right now who would even crack the top 10 even top 15 of great heavyweights, while I can easily name at least 10 or 15 lighter guys who come to mind....

With the likes of morales/barrera/pacquaio/dlh/hopkins/gatti/spinks/mayorga/judah and others it is exciting to watch as these divisions are so DEEP with REAL TALENT!

Despite being the bigger draws today (smaller guys) their purses are not reflecting that, why are these guys that are selling out arenas and stadiums fighting for their life each and everytime out getting paid fragments of what mediocre heavyweight fighters get fighting in tool sheds/bars and ballrooms......


When everyday I have to remember John Ruiz and Vitali Klitschko are the top in the heavyweight division it sickens me...Prime Example


Vitali Klitschko vs Danny Williams on december 13th (maybe?) will be on pay per view carrying a 40 dollar price tag...How do these 2 horrendous fighters (back off nicht) still get the recognition most fighters are dying for?


What is it about these damn big guys that attract so many fans and still continue to get more recognition then the great fighters down south?


If all I have to look forward to is a very green Joe Mesi and a ukranian knocking fat pieces of chopped liver out in a few rounds every 6 months in boxing, and the illusion that mike tyson is still in 1986...Put a fork in me, I am done and I hope the heavyweights are to....


It just sickens me! :mad:

Spinks....

That's a helluva post !
Excellent. True.

That was a great post SpinkJinx. I whole heartedly agree with your thoughts 100%. The Heavyweight division is weak in talent and the only reason they get the big money is because of their size. Because if it was measured on talent than we'd see guys like Pac and Morales with Tyson like paychecks.

i think its kinda unfair to attack the heavies like that.... yes, they are not as talented as smaller fighters, but they train, take risks and fight just like everyone else.... evidently heavey's are what the public wants....

look at shaq, he's not the most skilled player in the game.... in terms of pure skill, he's in the bottom of the league.... but he's still the attraction and still the most dominant player in the league.... big guys in basketball, dont have to work on the same skills the smaller guys do and because of their size, they also dont have the same ability.... that same theory can be appplied to boxing.... if you dont like the heavies, dont watch them..... why bash them??? what are they really doing wrong to sport??

i think its kinda unfair to attack the heavies like that.... yes, they are not as talented as smaller fighters, but they train, take risks and fight just like everyone else.... evidently heavey's are what the public wants....

look at shaq, he's not the most skilled player in the game.... in terms of pure skill, he's in the bottom of the league.... but he's still the attraction and still the most dominant player in the league.... big guys in basketball, dont have to work on the same skills the smaller guys do and because of their size, they also dont have the same ability.... that same theory can be appplied to boxing.... if you dont like the heavies, dont watch them..... why bash them??? what are they really doing wrong to sport??

Guru, is your avatar the young chic from "Party of Five", if so she has really grown up! DAMN!

yep that's her, she is DAM fine!!!!

i think its kinda unfair to attack the heavies like that.... yes, they are not as talented as smaller fighters, but they train, take risks and fight just like everyone else.... evidently heavey's are what the public wants....

look at shaq, he's not the most skilled player in the game.... in terms of pure skill, he's in the bottom of the league.... but he's still the attraction and still the most dominant player in the league.... big guys in basketball, dont have to work on the same skills the smaller guys do and because of their size, they also dont have the same ability.... that same theory can be appplied to boxing.... if you dont like the heavies, dont watch them..... why bash them??? what are they really doing wrong to sport??


It's not the heavyweights themselves...it's the way they are overvalued, overpublicized.

I'm baffled by how people would find them more interesting than the smaller guys..JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BIG.

Because the average boxing fan finds boxers like the one in your avatar to be exceptionally boring.

my guess, it's just that they seem larger than life and the idea is that the fight could end at any time from one punch... the heaveywieght champ is supposedly the baddest man on the planet, so that's who the mainstream want to see....

The casual boxing fan does not want to see 12-rounds of boxing, unless someone goes down or someone gets beat up really bad. The art of boxing is lost on the sports fan who might stop on the fight, but doesn't schedule time to see it.

With heavyweights, there's a perception (perhaps a correct one) that there's a greater chance at seeing a knockout.

Because the average boxing fan finds boxers like the one in your avatar to be exceptionally boring.


true.... i'm a die hard boxing fan, but i cant watch a fight with chris byrd(the majority of them anyways), even though he is a highly skilled boxer...

Obviously, my friends insist that a UFC champion could easily beat a boxing belt holder in a boxing match with boxing rules and such. What dunces.

Seems like less & less heavyweight fights are ending because of power shots.

Look at Klit-Sanders, Brewtser-Klit, Lewis-Klit....these ended from attrition, exhaustion, cuts, etc.

& who the f*ck can sit through Ruiz, Byrd, & Oquendo ?

Obviously, my friends insist that a UFC champion could easily beat a boxing belt holder in a boxing match with boxing rules and such. What dunces.


just about any boxer(180-200 lbs)would KO tito ortiz in a boxing match..... but just about any MMA fighter would beat roy jones in the octagon.... they'd just take him down and tap him out...

i think its kinda unfair to attack the heavies like that.... yes, they are not as talented as smaller fighters, but they train, take risks and fight just like everyone else.... evidently heavey's are what the public wants....

look at shaq, he's not the most skilled player in the game.... in terms of pure skill, he's in the bottom of the league.... but he's still the attraction and still the most dominant player in the league.... big guys in basketball, dont have to work on the same skills the smaller guys do and because of their size, they also dont have the same ability.... that same theory can be appplied to boxing.... if you dont like the heavies, dont watch them..... why bash them??? what are they really doing wrong to sport??

I don't think it's accurate to say that (reference to shaq).
You said it yourself, Shaq dominates only because of his size. Boxing is one on one sport and not 5-5. You know that size does not mean an assured victory in boxing.As Steward said, "If that were the case, all you have to do is be the biggest guy in the gym to become the champion!" My question to your post is how would Shaq do in basketball if all the players we're as big, heavy and as tall as him?

I think that the reasons that the heavyweights are getting more attention regardless of their talent pool not being as deep as the lesser weight classes is because of the history that precedes them. Ali, Foreman, Liston, Frazier going to the prime Tyson, these guys left an impression in boxing that carried the way that the heavyweight division is percieved today.

The casual boxing fan does not want to see 12-rounds of boxing, unless someone goes down or someone gets beat up really bad. The art of boxing is lost on the sports fan who might stop on the fight, but doesn't schedule time to see it.

With heavyweights, there's a perception (perhaps a correct one) that there's a greater chance at seeing a knockout.


When was the last heavyweight fight we actually saw a true KO of which you are talking about? We get them all the time now in other divisions...Prime Example the jantuah vs rubio fight people love to see that or the tszyu vs judah fight....How about the dlh vs hopkins or the gatti vs dorin or quite possibly the knockout punch dlh gave to fernando vargas.


Those fights are from guys all under 160 and those are the kinds of outcomes the general boxing fan likes to see, You are not getting that in the heavyweight division and I cant even recall when the last true knockout came from the heavies....

Yes, but talk to a casual fan and ask him who the big-name heavyweights are and he/she will say Holyfield, Tyson, maybe even Foreman.

Boxing is really not big anymore. If it were, we'd have more network boxing and might actually be able to read boxing news in the daily sports section or see highlights on SportsCenter of non-mega fights.

I talk boxing to other sports fans at work, and sometimes other people chime in. It's always something about Tyson or Holyfield or Sugar Ray Leonard or someone retired.

The main thing people say about why they don't watch boxing anymore is that it went to pay-per-view (everyone has a "I ordered the McNeely fight... type of story) and that the decisions are fixed or that there are too many champions.

But that guy who once liked boxing might pause on a channel when he's flipping and sees a hulk like a Klitschko brother or a Jameel McCline in action. Looking for a knockout...

I don't think it's accurate to say that (reference to shaq).
You said it yourself, Shaq dominates only because of his size. Boxing is one on one sport and not 5-5. You know that size does not mean an assured victory in boxing.As Steward said, "If that were the case, all you have to do is be the biggest guy in the gym to become the champion!" My question to your post is how would Shaq do in basketball if all the players we're as big, heavy and as tall as him?

I think that the reasons that the heavyweights are getting more attention regardless of their talent pool not being as deep as the lesser weight classes is because of the history that precedes them. Ali, Foreman, Liston, Frazier going to the prime Tyson, these guys left an impression in boxing that carried the way that the heavyweight division is percieved today.


i agree the heavey's are not as talented as smaller guys, but its unfair to attack them for not being as talented, just like it would be unfair to attack shaq for not being as skilled as kobe.... the heavey's are what they are, no need to bash them... the mainstream public will always be attracted by heaveyweight division more than the rest...

Guru, is your avatar the young chic from "Party of Five", if so she has really grown up! DAMN!

That's her!? DAAAAAMMMMNNNN!!
She is all grown up! :D

your absolutely right, the casual fan could give a **** about watching two guys go 12 rounds, they want to see knockouts. When I try to turn a friend on to the sport that is skeptical I don't want him to watch DLH and Hopkins because they won't get it after a fight like that how great the sport is, I want them to watch a mayo v. trinidad fight, they will walk away thinking boxing is something they can't miss out on. As for the mediocre heavys, even I have to admit I would rather watch to 200+ beat on each other like Klitchko/lewis, tua/ibeabuchi, foreman/lyle than watch tapi/ayala, barrera/morales 2 (one was just to ****in good), castillo/lazcan etc. When big guys go toe to toe there is nothing better, however like somone stated earlier they 9/10 times dissappoint. HBO papperview has put us fans in a real dilemma, $40 bucks for V vd. Willimas thats ridiculous, but i will probably be a dumb**** and pay because i won't be able to stay away.

As exciting as a 1 rd. ko is, I'm much rather watch 2 jr. welter's or welter wt's go at it. I love the skill's on display in those type of fight's and when they go 8 or 9 rd's and then theres an unexpected ko... that's what I call a very good night of boxing.

yep that's her, she is DAM fine!!!!
Too much damn makeup and what the **** is with female celebs and their fake tans these days?
****ing orange looking aliens.

the HW div is better than most give credit to. It is a Div filled with talent and no one a take over because there is so many guys out there who can Knock you the **** out. Thats why we watch it, because at any time a big strong HW can ko a master boxer. unlike the smaller div's where you always know who will win and upsets are few and far in between. Look at LL a master boxer was always in danger because guys like Rahman who aren't as good, but are very powerful. that's what me and YOU pay to see. the upset.

I agree with you. No wonder they call you The Great.

the HW div is better than most give credit to. It is a Div filled with talent and no one a take over because there is so many guys out there who can Knock you the **** out. Thats why we watch it, because at any time a big strong HW can ko a master boxer. unlike the smaller div's where you always know who will win and upsets are few and far in between. Look at LL a master boxer was always in danger because guys like Rahman who aren't as good, but are very powerful. that's what me and YOU pay to see. the upset.



Yes that is what we would like to pay and see, but it just isnt happening during this time period...

I agree with you. No wonder they call you The Great.

Thanks but thats not the only reason they call me GREAT.

Thanks but thats not the only reason they call me GREAT.
Is it because your eating skills rival that of James Toney? :p

Yes that is what we would like to pay and see, but it just isnt happening during this time period...

we always have that chance with Brewster. VK and Sanders was a slugfest, we where all waiting to see sanders KO VK because we knew he could.same with Golota and bryd.

Is it because your eating skills rival that of James Toney? :p

how you figure that, you may want to look at my pic again, you will not find any fat there, I am a product of the MARINE CORPS, not dairy queen. please don't hate.

how you figure that, you may want to look at my pic again, you will not find any fat there, I am a product of the MARINE CORPS, not dairy queen. please don't hate.
lol It was a lame little joke.
Try not to take everything I post here so seriously.
Because I don't.

lol It was a lame little joke.
Try not to take everything I post here so seriously.
Because I don't.

cool, i just couldn't leave that one alone.

cool, i just couldn't leave that one alone.
lol Quick question.
Who would win in an eating contest?
Butterbean or James Toney?

lol Quick question.
Who would win in an eating contest?
Butterbean or James Toney?

butterbean.
who whould win in a fight butterbean vs. VK

we always have that chance with Brewster. VK and Sanders was a slugfest, we where all waiting to see sanders KO VK because we knew he could.same with Golota and bryd.


I absolutely hated vitali vs sanders, kudos for you enjoying it though...Sanders just walked right into whatever vitali had with no intentions of being the powerhouse he was against wladimir. That fight could have been a war but didnt live up to the hype as most heavyweight fights are going these days....

Toney beats butterbean senseless and smacks his titties back to minnesota in 6.

butterbean.
who whould win in a fight butterbean vs. VK
VK

Who would win in a fight?
Don King or Bob Arum

VK

Who would win in a fight?
Don King or Bob Arum

King, he was a thug.

who would win Max kellerman or Larry Merchant

King, he was a thug.

who would win Max kellerman or Larry Merchant
Larry would make Max cry then Larry would spank him.

Who wins in a trash talking match?
The Rock or James Toney?
Or Ali/Toney?

I don't think its fair to say heavyweights aren't as skilled as smaller fighters. Was Roy Jones suddenly less talented when he weighed 193 then when he was 175? How about James Toney? Lennox Lewis was very skilled, but at 6'5 and 250+ he is not going to move like Floyd Mayweather Jr. Just because they are not lightning fast or flash does not mean they are not skilled.

Larry would make Max cry then Larry would spank him.

Who wins in a trash talking match?
The Rock or James Toney?
Or Ali/Toney?


Toney is the king of smack.

Toney is the king of smack.
Even against the likes of The Rock and Ali?

no one can takr the Rock

Even against the likes of The Rock and Ali?


Definatly in the top 5....His quotes on the best damn sports show period was classic....

i agree the heavey's are not as talented as smaller guys, but its unfair to attack them for not being as talented, just like it would be unfair to attack shaq for not being as skilled as kobe.... the heavey's are what they are, no need to bash them... the mainstream public will always be attracted by heaveyweight division more than the rest...

Personally I never bashed them. Its a fact that they are lacking in skill compared to the lighter fighters but then again, if this is what the heavyweights can offer, we can't do anything about it. Every division has it's era I guess. What I think spinx is trying to say is that it's a damn shame that the little guys is less attractive to the public even with their superior skills and talent. That's what I agree on.

Its also a lot easier for smaller people to be more skillful.

the HW div is better than most give credit to. It is a Div filled with talent and no one a take over because there is so many guys out there who can Knock you the **** out. Thats why we watch it, because at any time a big strong HW can ko a master boxer. unlike the smaller div's where you always know who will win and upsets are few and far in between. Look at LL a master boxer was always in danger because guys like Rahman who aren't as good, but are very powerful. that's what me and YOU pay to see. the upset.

Dude, come on...There are upsets happening in the lower weight classes just as much as the heavy's. And I disagree when you say you always know who is going to win. You don't. That's just boxing, no matter the class. Last year, who honestly thought Pac would TKO MAB. Rubio over Bojado, Wise over Chavez, Robinson over Gatti, Phillips over Tszyu to name a few in recent years. Heck most of the fights of the year, best wars I've seen happened in the lower weight classes. They give you yer money's worth, but that's just me.

Oh yah, as for the smack talk

1)Ali -creativity no contest
2)The Rock -
3)Bernie Mac
4)Toney

Basically no one beats big bad brothas when it comes to smack talking lol.

heavyweights are good one there isnt a ko in tha first round


heavys are good when they land lots of punches and there is a ko in tha late rounds

i'd have to say welterweight and featherweight is tha best rite now

they got school and they dont throw slow ugly punches

frazier/ali III was a good fight for heavy

but then i can name hundreds of great fights with welterweights and featherweights

o ya forgot

holyfield vs ridick bowe were all good all 3 of them
and tyson vs holyfield


ward gatti greatest of all time

Yeah, I guess there are a lot more fans than real boxing fans.

casual fans like HW boxing because for most people , the HW champion of the world is THE BADDEST MAN ON EARTH .

that is so mythologic , it attracts everyone attention.

just my opinion

what's it about these people who have penis envy?

Like one of the other posts before said, most of the people who watch
boxing aren't boxing fans, they're more devoted to wrestling or UFC because they want to see something sensational, preferrably blood and lots of it or a KTFO, only a real boxing fan would have the patience to watch Chris Byrd go 12 rounds

Like one of the other posts before said, most of the people who watch
boxing aren't boxing fans, they're more devoted to wrestling or UFC because they want to see something sensational, preferrably blood and lots of it or a KTFO, only a real boxing fan would have the patience to watch Chris Byrd go 12 rounds

so, you're canadian?

what's it about these people who have penis envy?
This is a boxing forum, there's no penis envy here. :rolleyes:

But I understand what you are saying. When El Gran Salami is around, people feel intimidated. That's understandable. ;)

eh? Panzergirl, does that answer you're question?

Well, Panzergirl is a little kink. She reads the topic title and automatically assumes it has to do with dicks. I bet she clicked the link without hesitation, only to be dissapointed that there are no **** pics or convos.

Panzergirl should check out this thread: Man with big ****!

I find it a little difficult at times to watch two people who are more than a foot shorter than me and weigh more than 100 pounds less than I do go at it. I mean come on, would anyone here who is 5'9'' and weighed 150 lbs really get much enoyment out of watching two guys who are 4'9'' and 50 lbs box?

I find it a little difficult at times to watch two people who are more than a foot shorter than me and weigh more than 100 pounds less than I do go at it. I mean come on, would anyone here who is 5'9'' and weighed 150 lbs really get much enoyment out of watching two guys who are 4'9'' and 50 lbs box?

Technique and different styles. Real fan's watch it all, or atleast that is what I thought. :confused: If one of the reasons you watch is to learn more than you already know (unless, of course, you think you know it all ) then the smaller guy's are the one's to watch. Since they dont have all that power and the size to bully their opponet around the ring they have to resort to skill...talent. I love a ko as much as anyone, but dont mind at all to watch a true technician display his craft.

I find it a little difficult at times to watch two people who are more than a foot shorter than me and weigh more than 100 pounds less than I do go at it. I mean come on, would anyone here who is 5'9'' and weighed 150 lbs really get much enoyment out of watching two guys who are 4'9'' and 50 lbs box?


Thats just a crazy statement right their.

Thats just a crazy statement right their.

I've been insisting that this guy (Neuraxis) is a part-time fight fan....who only can relate to fighters who look like him, speak like him, etc..

This is the stamp on that.

Ignore him. He's limited.

I've been insisting that this guy (Neuraxis) is a part-time fight fan....who only can relate to fighters who look like him, speak like him, etc..

This is the stamp on that.

Ignore him. He's limited.

:D I keep trying that! :D

I've been insisting that this guy (Neuraxis) is a part-time fight fan....who only can relate to fighters who look like him, speak like him, etc..

This is the stamp on that.

Ignore him. He's limited.

Amen Jabs.

i have only one answer mike tyson

I've been insisting that this guy (Neuraxis) is a part-time fight fan....who only can relate to fighters who look like him, speak like him, etc..

This is the stamp on that.

Ignore him. He's limited.

Classic :D

Questions I always ask myself in this dull division of today and the near distant future.

What is it about these big guys that attract the people and the mega bucks?


Looking back at these past current months even dipping into the past 10 years AT LEAST!

Why are the heavyweights still the biggest draws in boxing?

Granted the dlh vs hopkins fight was the biggest easily in the past 5 years.

But why are people so enchanted with the heavyweight division? Most heavyweights (excluding the greats such as evander/muhammad ali/foreman/norton/frazier/lewis) are dull and bland, most heavyweights today are not carrying the mystique of yesterday?


But what is the "enchantment" with the heavyweight division?

The smaller fighters (160 and below) are getting more attention then before, but soon as the next great heavyweight arises, the lighter divisions will lose their spark and be right back up to the heavies.

Lighter fighters are craftier/faster/hit hard and are beautiful to watch....Most of the time in heavyweight fights we get slow and out of shape fighters, who have no idea what they are doing in the ring to begin with. The smaller guys carry more knowledge into the ring nowadays then those big bafoons! Their isnt one heavyweight in the division right now who would even crack the top 10 even top 15 of great heavyweights, while I can easily name at least 10 or 15 lighter guys who come to mind....

With the likes of morales/barrera/pacquaio/dlh/hopkins/gatti/spinks/mayorga/judah and others it is exciting to watch as these divisions are so DEEP with REAL TALENT!

Despite being the bigger draws today (smaller guys) their purses are not reflecting that, why are these guys that are selling out arenas and stadiums fighting for their life each and everytime out getting paid fragments of what mediocre heavyweight fighters get fighting in tool sheds/bars and ballrooms......


When everyday I have to remember John Ruiz and Vitali Klitschko are the top in the heavyweight division it sickens me...Prime Example


Vitali Klitschko vs Danny Williams on december 13th (maybe?) will be on pay per view carrying a 40 dollar price tag...How do these 2 horrendous fighters (back off nicht) still get the recognition most fighters are dying for?


What is it about these damn big guys that attract so many fans and still continue to get more recognition then the great fighters down south?


If all I have to look forward to is a very green Joe Mesi and a ukranian knocking fat pieces of chopped liver out in a few rounds every 6 months in boxing, and the illusion that mike tyson is still in 1986...Put a fork in me, I am done and I hope the heavyweights are to....


It just sickens me! :mad:


Hey chief, if you dont think Vitali, Ruiz or any other heavy out there has any talent, why dont you go spar with them, and when you get out of the hospital, tell us if you think they have any talent, 'kay?

I've been insisting that this guy (Neuraxis) is a part-time fight fan....who only can relate to fighters who look like him, speak like him, etc..

This is the stamp on that.

Ignore him. He's limited.


Neuraxis, hasnt really bothered me and I enjoyed neuraxis's posts sometimes, but this is the most ridiculous statement, I have ever read.....

Assuming he is bigger then some of the hottest divisions today, I assume he doesnt find 126-140 interesting....


!SAY WHAAAAAT! :eek:


No disrespect to you man, but whether a guy weighs 100 pounds or 200 pounds. You have to respect him either way.....



Perhaps though Neuraxis, I could recommend you a fighter to learn more about. He is your type of fighter and will stick with you if you could follow it close enough through your entire life span and the developments as you change.

His name is Georges Carpentier, He is a man who has fought through every division....Great to start your young ones in on huh?


Ludacris, I say!

Hey chief, if you dont think Vitali, Ruiz or any other heavy out there has any talent, why dont you go spar with them, and when you get out of the hospital, tell us if you think they have any talent, 'kay?



Hey I respect any person who steps in the ring, Of course any heavy will smash my face and break my back, My god im 100 pounds lighter then those guys......


The heavyweight division is in a dead pool for talent....End of story.

Originally Posted by GranTorino
Hey chief, if you dont think Vitali, Ruiz or any other heavy out there has any talent, why dont you go spar with them, and when you get out of the hospital, tell us if you think they have any talent, 'kay?


This is the classic response from an idiot.

Personally I never bashed them. Its a fact that they are lacking in skill compared to the lighter fighters but then again, if this is what the heavyweights can offer, we can't do anything about it. Every division has it's era I guess. What I think spinx is trying to say is that it's a damn shame that the little guys is less attractive to the public even with their superior skills and talent. That's what I agree on.

No, they're not less talented than the lighter weights. On the contrary, they are just as talented. The only difference is that when fighting at heavy, DIFFERENT skills are required to fight a 220+ lb individual than to fight someone who is fifty pounds less. And using your weight and reach are part of that.

Originally Posted by GranTorino
Hey chief, if you dont think Vitali, Ruiz or any other heavy out there has any talent, why dont you go spar with them, and when you get out of the hospital, tell us if you think they have any talent, 'kay?


This is the classic response from an idiot.

Hey man, I just call it like I see it. Deal with it. Fact of the matter is, you need different skills to fight at heavy to be successful. End of story. Dont cry to me and call me names just because you cant back up your point of view.

Hey man, I just call it like I see it. Deal with it. Fact of the matter is, you need different skills to fight at heavy to be successful. End of story. Dont cry to me and call me names just because you cant back up your point of view.


Who's crying ?

Whatever the reason, heavyweights just don't offer all that the smaller guys do.
the action.....the variety of skills...the endurance....
the smaller guys have it all over the bigger guys.

Who's crying ?

Whatever the reason, heavyweights just don't offer all that the smaller guys do.
the action.....the variety of skills...the endurance....
the smaller guys have it all over the bigger guys.

Well, you have to remember, they dont offer what the smaller guys offer, they offer something completely different. They offer the prospect of serious bodily harm. They offer the possibility of satisfying all of our macabre curiosity. They offer damage. Pure and unadulterated. Thats the draw. The new boxing fan could, in my opinion, give a **** less about two little guys pecking on one another for an hour. But let two brutes get in there and start banging? Well ****, now we got a party! I hope I was able to articulate that correctly. Too much caffeine.

Well, you have to remember, they dont offer what the smaller guys offer, they offer something completely different. They offer the prospect of serious bodily harm. They offer the possibility of satisfying all of our macabre curiosity. They offer damage. Pure and unadulterated. Thats the draw. The new boxing fan could, in my opinion, give a **** less about two little guys pecking on one another for an hour. But let two brutes get in there and start banging? Well ****, now we got a party! I hope I was able to articulate that correctly. Too much caffeine.


Wrong....

Take a look at the best KO's this year....they're all from BELOW the heavyweight division.

you are under the false belief that the big guys are more likely to score a KO, & you are wrong.

Wait until this PPV on Nov. 13th. I am positive you will not only see the four WORST fights of the year....but that NONE of them end in a convincing knockout.

Also....talk about "damage".
The smaller guys inflict FAR MORE damage on each other.
Look at the ring tragedies....virtually none are from the heavyweight division.

Well, you have to remember, they dont offer what the smaller guys offer, they offer something completely different. They offer the prospect of serious bodily harm. They offer the possibility of satisfying all of our macabre curiosity. They offer damage. Pure and unadulterated. Thats the draw. The new boxing fan could, in my opinion, give a **** less about two little guys pecking on one another for an hour. But let two brutes get in there and start banging? Well ****, now we got a party! I hope I was able to articulate that correctly. Too much caffeine.

and this is why no one respect your boxing opnion. You just showed a complete lack of knowledge and respect for the sport

and this is why no one respect your boxing opnion. You just showed a complete lack of knowledge and respect for the sport


I could give less than a **** about your respect for my opion, big boy. Im not here to gain your respect, Im here to post my opinion. Get used to it.

Wrong....

Take a look at the best KO's this year....they're all from BELOW the heavyweight division.

you are under the false belief that the big guys are more likely to score a KO, & you are wrong.

Wait until this PPV on Nov. 13th. I am positive you will not only see the four WORST fights of the year....but that NONE of them end in a convincing knockout.

Also....talk about "damage".
The smaller guys inflict FAR MORE damage on each other.
Look at the ring tragedies....virtually none are from the heavyweight division.

Well I admit my technical knoweledge of boxing is not as thorough as you guys might be, but I think (hope) that the fights we see will be action packed. I enjoyed watching Golota whoop up on Byrd, so hopefully at least this one with Ruiz will have some. We'll have to see.

And what "ring tragedies" do you refer to?

I could give less than a **** about your respect for my opion, big boy. Im not here to gain your respect, Im here to post my opinion. Get used to it.


Ooh im scared

"And what "ring tragedies" do you refer to?"

Mancini-Kim
Davila-Bejines
Benn-McClellan
Pintor-Owens
Ruelas-Garcia

There are countless others.

Note : I am in no way glorifying these tragedies.
They're all horrible.
But, I'm using them as points to refute the misinformed notion that the big guys do more harm than the smaller guys.

Ooh im scared

Wasnt really my intention to scare you. I was just telling you how it is. But judging from your halloween party pics, if that really is you in that pic, you should be scared of pretty much everyone. Jesus, man, eat something.

"And what "ring tragedies" do you refer to?"

Mancini-Kim
Davila-Bejines
Benn-McClellan
Pintor-Owens
Ruelas-Garcia

There are countless others.

Note : I am in no way glorifying these tragedies.
They're all horrible.
But, I'm using them as points to refute the misinformed notion that the big guys do more harm than the smaller guys.

Hey jabs, when you mean "tragedies" do you mean.....actual tragedies? Like these dudes died in the ring or something? If so, gimme details please.

Wasnt really my intention to scare you. I was just telling you how it is. But judging from your halloween party pics, if that really is you in that pic, you should be scared of pretty much everyone. Jesus, man, eat something.

Yes...Thats really me in the pic.

Do you have a problem with that?

Yes...Thats really me in the pic.

Do you have a problem with that?


Oh how cute, an e-thug.

GranTorino-Yes those are in ring deaths or where fighters died soon after being in the ring due to injuries that occured during the fight.


Another is robinson vs Doyle, sad stuff.

GranTorino-Yes those are in ring deaths or where fighters died soon after being in the ring due to injuries that occured during the fight.


Another is robinson vs Doyle, sad stuff.

Damn, man. I suppose the boxers who did the killing never boxed again after that?

Oh how cute, an e-thug.


oh yeah im really getting violent over here.

Damn, man. I suppose the boxers who did the killing never boxed again after that?


Surprisingly enough, A lot of them really did continue.

oh yeah im really getting violent over here.

Well you're about as big as one of my legs, so it wouldnt really matter if you wanted to anyway.

Surprisingly enough, A lot of them really did continue.


I think that if that were me, it would really mess me up. I dont think I would be able to live with the misplaced guilt. Not something I would wish on anyone.

I think that if that were me, it would really mess me up. I dont think I would be able to live with the misplaced guilt. Not something I would wish on anyone.


It's true, most of the fighters continued their careers.

Gabe Ruelas, even though he fought on....was never the same again.
At the time he beat Garcia, if anyone remembers, he really looked like he was gonna make a run at the top of the lb4lb list.
He was fighting at a high level, & was starting to mature.

The Garcia fight took away a lot of his spirit & his hunger, & he never looked so good again.

It's true, most of the fighters continued their careers.

Gabe Ruelas, even though he fought on....was never the same again.
At the time he beat Garcia, if anyone remembers, he really looked like he was gonna make a run at the top of the lb4lb list.
He was fighting at a high level, & was starting to mature.

The Garcia fight took away a lot of his spirit & his hunger, & he never looked so good again.


When Mancini had gone through that, It just ripped him to shreds...I dont think he was ever the same after that in any aspect.