I believe that XC are so desperate for an in house superstar to rival UFC's stars that they are stacking rigging the fights behind closed doors.

I'm not saying that the guys he are fighting are letting him win. But I believe that there is a backroom negotiation that disallows serious opponents from attempting takedowns on Cung Le.

Look at the Tony Friklund and Shamrock fights. One a wrestling background guy the other a Pancrase champion didn't go for shots even though it is the strength of both fighters. Even though it is there opponents weakness.

Even when getting the **** beat out of them on there feet they didn't go for the takedowns. Even with those wild ass looping kicks that leave the thrower unbalanced they refused to catch the leg or try a takedown.

Shamrock stood there and traded with cung le because he is a ****ing ego maniac and said many times before the fight he was gonna strike with the striker and thats how he was going to win. I see what your saying, but i disagree.

Cung Le is imo one of the best strikers in the world, i think he needs to make a deal and get with the ufc though.

Shamrock stood there and traded with cung le because he is a ****ing ego maniac and said many times before the fight he was gonna strike with the striker and thats how he was going to win. I see what your saying, but i disagree.

Cung Le is imo one of the best strikers in the world, i think he needs to make a deal and get with the ufc though.

I see what your saying but the whole, I'm going to stand with him might've just been Frank **** talking since he knew he was going to have to stand with him anyway.

We've seen this before when MMA Organizations tried to create a buzz for themselves. The only thing is that it was more open. It might be a secret claus in there contracts. Tommy Morrison had an MMA fight where his opponent couldn't take him down or kick him below the waist or knee him.

We've seen it more discreetly when they matchuped Kimbo with guys known as strikers with little to no ground game. Even Thompson fits that discription but didn't exactly go to script when he said **** this I'm better off on the ground.

I believe that XC are so desperate for an in house superstar to rival UFC's stars that they are stacking rigging the fights behind closed doors.

I'm not saying that the guys he are fighting are letting him win. But I believe that there is a backroom negotiation that disallows serious opponents from attempting takedowns on Cung Le.

Look at the Tony Friklund and Shamrock fights. One a wrestling background guy the other a Pancrase champion didn't go for shots even though it is the strength of both fighters. Even though it is there opponents weakness.

Even when getting the **** beat out of them on there feet they didn't go for the takedowns. Even with those wild ass looping kicks that leave the thrower unbalanced they refused to catch the leg or try a takedown.

First of all, Cung Le is himself a great wrestler/takedown artist so takedowns are not his weakness. Also, that is why his opponents can't take him down.

Second, nothing Cung Le throws is wild or looping.

So the answer is no, I absolutely don't agree.

Shamrock stood there and traded with cung le because he is a ****ing ego maniac and said many times before the fight he was gonna strike with the striker and thats how he was going to win. I see what your saying, but i disagree.

Cung Le is imo one of the best strikers in the world, i think he needs to make a deal and get with the ufc though.

Pretty much what I said when it happened. Shamrock's ego caused him to want to prove that he could out strike a superior striker.....it's not the first time his ego has caused him trouble....hell, he almost blew the fight before to Baroni b/c he had no conditioning, yet tried to carry the fight for a few rounds. Arrogance; yes. Stupidity; perhaps. Fixed; no.

So no, I don't think that Le's fights are fixed.

Shamrock stood there and traded with cung le because he is a ****ing ego maniac and said many times before the fight he was gonna strike with the striker and thats how he was going to win. I see what your saying, but i disagree.

Cung Le is imo one of the best strikers in the world, i think he needs to make a deal and get with the ufc though.

100% agree with this post!

why would cung le sign a deal to fight for 15~20 thousand dollars a fight for the ufc when he's making d@mn near a million a fight from EliteXC/Proforce?
That just doesn't make any sense to me...
Sean Sherk made something like 50 thousand dollars for HEADLINING the UFC 84 card with BJ Penn.

I think EliteXC had a good thing going prior to jumping on the Kimbo bandwagon; which they only did once they realized people were going to pay a lot to watch the guy fight, thanks to the exposure of the youtube clips. If they spend some time working on some legitimate cards I see bright things ahead; but they've definitely gotta do some damage control for that last card.

I really can't wait for the Affliction card coming up with all those heavyweights.

I believe that XC are so desperate for an in house superstar to rival UFC's stars that they are stacking rigging the fights behind closed doors.

I'm not saying that the guys he are fighting are letting him win. But I believe that there is a backroom negotiation that disallows serious opponents from attempting takedowns on Cung Le.

Look at the Tony Friklund and Shamrock fights. One a wrestling background guy the other a Pancrase champion didn't go for shots even though it is the strength of both fighters. Even though it is there opponents weakness.

Even when getting the **** beat out of them on there feet they didn't go for the takedowns. Even with those wild ass looping kicks that leave the thrower unbalanced they refused to catch the leg or try a takedown.

It isn't easy to take someone down while getting your ass kicked. Sherk/Penn, Hughes/GSP are perfect examples on how difficult it is to takedown someone who is doing a good job of fighting from the outside like Cung Le does.

eliteXC's days are numbered.

eliteXC's days are numbered. I really don't think so man...with them being on CBS and all I think their going to really break into the mainstream and with Gary Shaw leading the way they may have something really good going on there. Plus If Dana White doesn't start paying his fighters when their contract is up they'll probably be jumping ship for Elite XC.

First of all, Cung Le is himself a great wrestler/takedown artist so takedowns are not his weakness. Also, that is why his opponents can't take him down.

Second, nothing Cung Le throws is wild or looping.

So the answer is no, I absolutely don't agree.

Wow, are you naieve. How about this

http://www.mmatko.com/cung-le-vs-tony-fryklund-fight-video-strikeforce-elitexc/

Cung Le throws an Axe kick that causes him to fall down when he misses.....haha Q.E.D.

Secondly Cung throws tons of high kicks which are the easiest kicks to take down an opponent on. But his opponents neither try and catch the leg nor try and shot under it.

It isn't easy to take someone down while getting your ass kicked. Sherk/Penn, Hughes/GSP are perfect examples on how difficult it is to takedown someone who is doing a good job of fighting from the outside like Cung Le does.


Penn showed his takedown defense and mixed it up. Penn also doesn't throw as many high kicks, spinning high heel kicks and axe kicks than Cung Le throws. So its not a good example. Also Sherk made attempts, the decent opponets of Cung dont even attempt to take him down.

Wow, are you naieve. How about this

http://www.mmatko.com/cung-le-vs-tony-fryklund-fight-video-strikeforce-elitexc/

Cung Le throws an Axe kick that causes him to fall down when he misses.....haha Q.E.D.

Secondly Cung throws tons of high kicks which are the easiest kicks to take down an opponent on. But his opponents neither try and catch the leg nor try and shot under it.

You said wild and looping, when actually every thing Cung Le throws is smooth and technical, including yes the axe kick, which is among the more technical kicks out there (that is, until you start getting into crazy aerial maneuvers and what not).

Cung Le is one of the most, if not the most, technically proficient striker in MMA and to call his strikes wild and looping is a clear misuse of the terminology. If you want to see wild and loopy go watch a Chris Leben fight.

Also, if Cung Le wanted to I have no doubt he could stand in the pocket and trade punches, go for a takedown and ground and pound, or what have you. Cung Le is a cross over martial arts star who feeds off his fame more so than he does off his fights. The kicks are probably as much entertainment as anything. They also allow him to fight from a distance, staying out of danger.

Now lets please put this wild and loopy thing to rest, call Le what you will but if there is one thing he's not it's that.

You said wild and looping, when actually every thing Cung Le throws is smooth and technical, including yes the axe kick, which is among the more technical kicks out there (that is, until you start getting into crazy aerial maneuvers and what not).

Cung Le is one of the most, if not the most, technically proficient striker in MMA and to call his strikes wild and looping is a clear misuse of the terminology. If you want to see wild and loopy go watch a Chris Leben fight.

Also, if Cung Le wanted to I have no doubt he could stand in the pocket and trade punches, go for a takedown and ground and pound, or what have you. Cung Le is a cross over martial arts star who feeds off his fame more so than he does off his fights. The kicks are probably as much entertainment as anything. They also allow him to fight from a distance, staying out of danger.

Now lets please put this wild and loopy thing to rest, call Le what you will but if there is one thing he's not it's that.

It goes down to what you consider wild. I consider wild any punch or kick that you dont retain balance on. Competitive Taekwon Do artist are very technical but they throw many wild kicks because they are allowed back up if they fall. Cung Le has thrown many wild (did not retain balance at end of strike) kicks which dont get countered.

His spinning heal kicks are looping kicks and high head roundhouse kicks are looping. They are not tight, short knee's or front kicks that are harder to counter....i.e. knee strikes, lower leg strikes, front leg kicks. The larger part of Cung Le's arsenal are the kicks which are easiest to counter with takedowns. Yet no takedowns are attempted.

So yeah, Cung Le does often throw wild and looping kicks.

Mirko Cro-cop is a much more devastating kicker that Cung Le but look at his bouts in Pride and UFC. He is much more selective of when he throws his kicks and has to mix up things so that even his devistating and fast kicks are not countered and he is taken down.

It goes down to what you consider wild. I consider wild any punch or kick that you dont retain balance on. Competitive Taekwon Do artist are very technical but they throw many wild kicks because they are allowed back up if they fall. Cung Le has thrown many wild (did not retain balance at end of strike) kicks which dont get countered.

His spinning heal kicks are looping kicks and high head roundhouse kicks are looping. They are not tight, short knee's or front kicks that are harder to counter....i.e. knee strikes, lower leg strikes, front leg kicks. The larger part of Cung Le's arsenal are the kicks which are easiest to counter with takedowns. Yet no takedowns are attempted.

So yeah, Cung Le does often throw wild and looping kicks.

Mirko Cro-cop is a much more devastating kicker that Cung Le but look at his bouts in Pride and UFC. He is much more selective of when he throws his kicks and has to mix up things so that even his devistating and fast kicks are not countered and he is taken down.
Mirko Crocop = a different kind of fighter.

Again I disagree with your definitions of wild and loopy, but then I'm only using the common definitions.

His spinning heal kicks are looping kicks and high head roundhouse kicks are looping. They are not tight, short knee's or front kicks that are harder to counter....i.e. knee strikes, lower leg strikes, front leg kicks. The larger part of Cung Le's arsenal are the kicks which are easiest to counter with takedowns. Yet no takedowns are attempted.
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Ummm
The front kick is one of the easiest techniques to counter & score a takedown; that's why Cung Le usually does a side kick instead, because it's a kick that's harder to catch and take down.

Roundhouse kicks to the head are easy to block; but guys like Pat Barry, Cung Le, and Marvin Perry (to name a few) pulled them off in san shou all the time. They are easy to block, but harder to catch & pull off a takedown - especially if they don't swing all the way through.

Spinning attacks are not super easy to time & counter. They've been used with success in UFC since Shonie Carter dropped Matt Serra with a spinning backfist way back when. The 3 spinning attacks can be used to set each other up: spinning backfist, spinning back heel kick, and spinning back kick (aka donkey kick). It's typical to get someone to expect one and nail them with another. Had a teammate KOd in san shou by a donkey kick to the solar plexus - he was blocking as if it was a spinning backfist.

Knees are relatively easy to counter. If you're in close, you just tie the guy up and greco him to the ground. If the guy fires from outside, you come over the top with an overhand right. A knee's success is usually dependent on the success of the thrower to get in good position in the clinch. If Cung gets in a clinch he's going to pick the guy up and slam- not waste any time throwing knees. Just watch his old fights.

Axe kick is a tough kick to recognize and gauge the distance on. It takes you a split second to recognize what it is and by then it's at the peak of the arc. You shoot in for a single or an ankle pick- if the guy's good at throwing the kick, it's gonna come down on the back of your skull as soon as you change level (speaking from experience).

Cung kicks like a mule. It's true Crocop's left round kick is more devastating, but that's the only kick he throws. He sets it up with plenty of roundkicks to the body (to bring the hands down). Crocop's also a lot slower than Cung, and he turns his hip over for more power- which makes it easier to be taken down. Cung doesn't turn his hips over as much on round kicks. Cung's got better wrestling than mirko, no question about it, he's better at defending the takedown and getting back to the feet should he be taken down. Mirko at least used to have much better hands.

Cung has this bad habit of tooling people but still looking beatable.
He did it to the Chinese in international sanshou events.
He did it to Shonie Carter in pro san shou.
He did it to plenty of guys in K-1's sanshou super fights.
And now he's doing it in mma.

I don't think the rematch with Shamrock will go much different - maybe the same result but quicker.
I think his ground game's gonna surprise people.
The only thing I don't like are the guy's hands.
Shamrock rocked him with a good right hand.
If he meets someone who can catch him off guard with an even stronger punch, he may be in trouble.

Mirko Crocop = a different kind of fighter.

Again I disagree with your definitions of wild and loopy, but then I'm only using the common definitions.

I wish I too lived in a land of loli pops, rainbows and where Santa is the one that buys x-mas gifts.

Damn dude did you not even read the last post before your's?